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Giving up sliced bread = grocery and weight savings!
« on: February 19, 2014, 11:06:09 AM »
Since about Christmas my wife has stopped buying sliced bread from the grocery store.  This was because we often used to go through multiple loaves by making sandwiches and toast, etc.  Her point was that it wasn't really healthy.  So, with few exceptions, she stopped buying it which has really reduced our grocery bill.

I hadn't considered the weight aspect but I weighed yesterday and I've lost 7lbs and this was the only diet change I've made.  Of course, it may have to do what I have substituted in for the sandwiches: rice/steamed vegetables and a lot more homemade soup/chili.

Pretty amazing and I do feel healthier.  Hard to imagine that bread had that many calories!

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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2014, 11:12:39 AM »
Giving up sliced bread!  The best thing since... uh... nevermind.

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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2014, 02:26:00 PM »
Yeah, bread is pretty high in calories. I gave it up for while and saw similar results. But couldn't sustain that.

So I made a compromise: I took up running and trail cycling and now I make homemade bread. Much less expensive and the exercise allows me to eat it guilt-free! ;-)


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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2014, 02:54:33 PM »
I gave up bread in October along with many other major changes after finishing the marathon of all MMM posts. MMM calling bread "weight gain squares" pretty much motivated me to try it. I've actually cut out nearly all forms of bread.

I can't attribute my weight loss and increased energy solely to this, but I'm sure it had a very large impact.

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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2014, 03:00:19 PM »
WOW.  Wow.  wow.  I can't imagine giving up bread.  I have some sort of bread about 5 days/week.  This morning I had an sourdough english muffin with an egg.  It was delicious.  I enjoy making flour tortillas from scratch (SO good).  I also love scones!!!  I'm really impressed that you were able to give up bread.  I think it's great. 

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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2014, 03:17:15 PM »
I can't speak for OP, but I was the same way as you 4alpacas. Toast, Bagels, Pretzels, Donuts, Pizza, Chips, Tortilla's, Sandwiches, Hamburgers, Crutons, I'm sure I'm missing plenty more, but this was all a HUGE part of my diet. I love bread, and I still do, but I simply can't go back. Once I got through the first week or two and started feeling the results it became very easy to quit.

I do still have the occasional slice of pizza, and I eat some wraps so I still have some tortillas, but I've had absolutely none of the other stuff and it's really easy.

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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2014, 04:18:47 PM »
There is bread, and the junk called bread that comes pre-sliced in a plastic bag, whether it is of the "organic" kind or not. As someone from a Mediterranean background, not eating bread (and I mean real bread like baguette, ensaimada, talau, foccaccia, pane siciliano and the more than five hundred types of bread found in all typical corner bakeries everywhere in France, Italy, Spain, etc.) would be akin to not drinking water, or better wine. In our family, we not only bread, but cured meats, cheeses, butter and full cream, strong coffee, red wine at all meals (maybe not breakfast but not always), high-fat and high-sugar desserts, etc. and nobody is overweight. I think everything is a matter of balance and moderation, and abstinence from something good and healthy like bread, wine or coffee, is not the solution to life's problems.

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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2014, 05:06:24 PM »
A deficit of carbs/grains will do wonders for your weight. Think link explains the way my household eats (subject to cheat days*). http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-succeed-with-the-primal-blueprint/#axzz2toeEroe4

Since this change we are stronger, more alert, and allergy free. Congrats on the revelation!

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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2014, 09:54:38 PM »
You are definitely a man.  I've gone low carb, low cal since the new year, upped my exercise...and lost 2 lbs.  Metabolism over 40 in a female is just not fair.

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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2014, 10:47:13 PM »
I gave up bread and went paleo a couple of years ago.   I went from 180 lbs to 177 or so and from a 33" waist to a 32" waist.   Then I got bored and started eating bread again, though I make my own these days.

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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2014, 02:25:04 AM »
I think, it is not generally true that "bread makes fat". I think this effect is caused by poor ingredients of industrial bread and low-quality flours. Wheat is not a good flour because it is fast processed by the body; it is "light" as in "empty calories". Unfortunately, at least here in Germany, some dark colored industrial bread exists that contains (disguised) brown sugar and other coloring stuff to make the bread apper "wholegrain", "eco" and "natural/healthy". Those breads often contain seeds to look even healthier. This is (often, not always) all smoke and mirrors.

If you like to make badass bread yourself, i come to your rescue:
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/share-your-badassity/making-own-organic-real-bread-%28skyrocket-quality-healthy-and-inexpensive%29/

There i rant also about the health stuff from my point of view (however im not a food specialist!).
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Health consideration
This is quite a little off topic, however i heard much of the "i get fat from bread" fears. The secret is i think, that it A) depends on moderation and b) heavily on the ingredients. If one stuffes his stomach with white wheat based breads that also contain sugar and other things that have no reason to be in a bread, one should not wonder if his body responds in an unusual way.
The truth is: Supermarkets don't sell bread. They sell things that look like bread, but that is NOT bread.
I strongly think, that if your diet is balanced, that real bread would add to this healthy diet and be a cause of health rather then illness. I would also say, that not eating bread is causing the diet to be a bit more unbalanced.
The most weight problems here in germany, that i can see is most people eat too much of the wrong things (like cheap supermarketbread).
Additionally be warned: rye flour is much better for your body than white flour. It contains more nutrients and is not so fast processed by the body./quote]

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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2014, 12:50:59 PM »
You are definitely a man.  I've gone low carb, low cal since the new year, upped my exercise...and lost 2 lbs.  Metabolism over 40 in a female is just not fair.

Word.  Or as people in this forum seem to prefer, +1.

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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2014, 12:51:15 PM »
I think, it is not generally true that "bread makes fat".

Bread makes you fat because carbs make you fat. Bread, typically, has a high GI which is a spike in your blood glucose signaling your body to start storing fat. A reduction/stabilization of blood sugar is a great way to lose unwanted fat. This is easily accomplished by an elimination of bread and grain-based carbs, along with a focus on getting "enough" carbs from fibrous vegetables.

I do agree that there are "tiers" of bread quality, but on the whole, bread is unnecessary.

You are definitely a man.  I've gone low carb, low cal since the new year, upped my exercise...and lost 2 lbs.  Metabolism over 40 in a female is just not fair.

I would be curious to know what exactly your "low carb, low cal" diet has looked like. Women, especially older women, can have a slower metabolism than men. But that is not to say that they cannot lose weight in a sustainable and efficient manner.
« Last Edit: February 20, 2014, 12:54:40 PM by GlassStache »

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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2014, 01:37:58 PM »
 
I think, it is not generally true that "bread makes fat".

Bread makes you fat because carbs make you fat. Bread, typically, has a high GI which is a spike in your blood glucose signaling your body to start storing fat.
I agree with the typical bread. The typical bread is however not what i had in mind when writing that post.
Rye in particular has a rather low GI. A problem is that such "good" breads are not available from industry and also rare from traditional bakerys because both cannot afford the most important ingrefient which is time.

Despite that, i think what makes one fat at the end is eating more calories than one consume. The body can only afford to store any surplus of energy. Combined with our industrial grade high-energy packed food we usually eat too much. You wont have those spikes you mention if you watch what you eat, for example wholegrain rye insteaf of white flour baded products. There is also a difference in the lenght/compkecity of carbs. Wholegrain rye therefore is acompletely different matter.
The same is true when comoaring white sugar with fruits. Both contain suger the latter however a bound and complex form which can only be used slowly from the body which avoids the spikes. Processef products contain white sugar usually because it is much easier for the factorys to adjust the sweetness to reach the best selling point. Why do you think yoghurt contains sugar?

That said i think it is a very good idea to give up industrial sliced bread!
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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2014, 02:05:25 PM »
I think, it is not generally true that "bread makes fat".

Bread makes you fat because carbs make you fat. Bread, typically, has a high GI which is a spike in your blood glucose signaling your body to start storing fat.

Rye in particular has a rather low GI.

This is incorrect. Rye has a GI of 58, which is higher than a snickers bar and regular ice cream.

Despite that, i think what makes one fat at the end is eating more calories than one consume. The body can only afford to store any surplus of energy.

This is the simplistic answer that doesn't take into account the effect of insulin on weight loss/gain. Of course, if you eat more calories than you burn, you will gain weight. And vice verse. However, this doesn't equate to a gain or loss of fat. You can eat an excess of calories and gain muscle. You can even eat a deficit of calories and gain fat. It is the relative insulin level (dictated by your blood sugar levels) that tells your body what to do with the calories it's given.

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« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2014, 01:59:09 AM »
Again learned something.

However with rye, i think it depends on the source. I looked up a value of 34 (for rye flour which, despite of water, is the sole ingredient of my 100% rye bread. is there a difference if it gets baked and mixed with water?).
I know i will eat much more grams of white bread than i would do eating rye bread. I think this accounts too.

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« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2014, 03:38:01 AM »
You may also find that when you cut bread (and other similar items) that you'll actually end up eating fewer calories overall.  Wheat is actually an appetite stimulant, so you aren't just cutting the bread calories, you're also cutting your cravings.  Particularly efficient, right?  I just finished William Davis' book "Wheat Belly" (highly recommended) and he describes that most of his patients who eliminate wheat products end up eating 300-400 fewer calories per day.  Definitely a great way to slash grocery costs along with your waistline!

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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2014, 07:02:40 AM »
You may also find that when you cut bread (and other similar items) that you'll actually end up eating fewer calories overall.  Wheat is actually an appetite stimulant, so you aren't just cutting the bread calories, you're also cutting your cravings.  Particularly efficient, right?  I just finished William Davis' book "Wheat Belly" (highly recommended) and he describes that most of his patients who eliminate wheat products end up eating 300-400 fewer calories per day.  Definitely a great way to slash grocery costs along with your waistline!

+1 for Wheat Belly. Great insight on the detriment of wheat and the science behind it.

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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2014, 07:17:27 AM »
A deficit of carbs/grains will do wonders for your weight. Think link explains the way my household eats (subject to cheat days*). http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-succeed-with-the-primal-blueprint/#axzz2toeEroe4

Since this change we are stronger, more alert, and allergy free. Congrats on the revelation!

I haven't seen it broken down like that. Thank you so much!

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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2014, 07:25:51 AM »
A deficit of carbs/grains will do wonders for your weight. Think link explains the way my household eats (subject to cheat days*). http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-succeed-with-the-primal-blueprint/#axzz2toeEroe4

Since this change we are stronger, more alert, and allergy free. Congrats on the revelation!

I haven't seen it broken down like that. Thank you so much!

You're very welcome!

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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2014, 11:23:49 AM »
Yep i'm on the 4 hour body Slow Carb diet.  I eat Meat beans and vegetables.  Nothing white.  No dairy (except cottage cheese).  I've lost close to 25lbs since jan 1.  which is over 10% of my body weight since i started the diet.  If you stick to it you can lose 5 lbs a week on avg.  its pretty crazy.  oh and you get one cheat day.  anytime you go on a diet that limits carb intake you will lose weight rapidly b/c you lose your water weight since there are no carbs to hold that water in your body. 

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« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2014, 11:34:29 AM »
Yep i'm on the 4 hour body Slow Carb diet.  I eat Meat beans and vegetables.  Nothing white.  No dairy (except cottage cheese).  I've lost close to 25lbs since jan 1.  which is over 10% of my body weight since i started the diet.  If you stick to it you can lose 5 lbs a week on avg.  its pretty crazy.  oh and you get one cheat day.  anytime you go on a diet that limits carb intake you will lose weight rapidly b/c you lose your water weight since there are no carbs to hold that water in your body.

I'm a fan of that diet, my wife and I did it awhile ago and it really worked for her.

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« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2014, 12:14:14 PM »
Italy is the land where pasta and pizza and beans are at the table at almost every meal. Nobody on my Italian side of the family (on the Spanish side as well) is or has been overweight, despite eating an abundance of breads, pasta, grains, legumes, desserts, etc.

The Italian secret #1 to stay slim and look good, is...Do not diet, and unless for allergies or negative reactions, never stop eating one type of food, like bread.

Secret # 2: Always enjoy simple, fresh food. This includes bread, pasta, pizza. Tira Misu. Red wine. Good coffee. Balancing quantity and quality is crucial.

Secret #3: Eat every meal with friends or family, or even with a co-worker. Never alone, or in front of the TV or computer. Never standing up. Eat purposefully, and slowly. Talk. That way, you take your time, your stomach has time to register that it is full and send an early-warning signal to your brain that it had enough. 

I think Michael Pollan's diet advice "Eat food, not too much, mostly plants" sums up very well that philosophy. I would add to it: Be convivial.

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« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2014, 12:47:32 PM »
Italy is the land where pasta and pizza and beans are at the table at almost every meal. Nobody on my Italian side of the family (on the Spanish side as well) is or has been overweight, despite eating an abundance of breads, pasta, grains, legumes, desserts, etc.

The Italian secret #1 to stay slim and look good, is...Do not diet, and unless for allergies or negative reactions, never stop eating one type of food, like bread.

Secret # 2: Always enjoy simple, fresh food. This includes bread, pasta, pizza. Tira Misu. Red wine. Good coffee. Balancing quantity and quality is crucial.

Secret #3: Eat every meal with friends or family, or even with a co-worker. Never alone, or in front of the TV or computer. Never standing up. Eat purposefully, and slowly. Talk. That way, you take your time, your stomach has time to register that it is full and send an early-warning signal to your brain that it had enough. 

I think Michael Pollan's diet advice "Eat food, not too much, mostly plants" sums up very well that philosophy. I would add to it: Be convivial.

There are no "secrets" to staying slim and looking good. Just because no person is/has been overweight in your lineage doesn't mean that their diet is the "secret" holy grail of diets. It could be, that your family has the ability to process insulin well. My brother-in-law is a great example. He eats well now, but even when he was a junk-food-eating-machine, he would never gain any fat. His body is much more adept at processing insulin than mine, i.e. we have biological/metabolic differences. Some of us have to work a little harder for aesthetics.
 
What evidence do you have for saying "never stop eating one type of food"? Your body requires X amount of macronutrients and micronutrients to exist in a healthly state. If I can achieve X by eliminating some foods and focusing on others, why can't I do that? Especially when the foods I eliminate have negative side effects, e.g. inflammation, digestive tract degradation, excess fat storage, etc.

Michael Pollan is not far off, but even his quote recommends a "diet," which you previously recommended people not go on. 

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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2014, 01:54:33 PM »
Italy is the land where pasta and pizza and beans are at the table at almost every meal. Nobody on my Italian side of the family (on the Spanish side as well) is or has been overweight, despite eating an abundance of breads, pasta, grains, legumes, desserts, etc.

The Italian secret #1 to stay slim and look good, is...Do not diet, and unless for allergies or negative reactions, never stop eating one type of food, like bread.

Secret # 2: Always enjoy simple, fresh food. This includes bread, pasta, pizza. Tira Misu. Red wine. Good coffee. Balancing quantity and quality is crucial.

Secret #3: Eat every meal with friends or family, or even with a co-worker. Never alone, or in front of the TV or computer. Never standing up. Eat purposefully, and slowly. Talk. That way, you take your time, your stomach has time to register that it is full and send an early-warning signal to your brain that it had enough. 

I think Michael Pollan's diet advice "Eat food, not too much, mostly plants" sums up very well that philosophy. I would add to it: Be convivial.

There are no "secrets" to staying slim and looking good. Just because no person is/has been overweight in your lineage doesn't mean that their diet is the "secret" holy grail of diets. It could be, that your family has the ability to process insulin well. My brother-in-law is a great example. He eats well now, but even when he was a junk-food-eating-machine, he would never gain any fat. His body is much more adept at processing insulin than mine, i.e. we have biological/metabolic differences. Some of us have to work a little harder for aesthetics.
 
What evidence do you have for saying "never stop eating one type of food"? Your body requires X amount of macronutrients and micronutrients to exist in a healthly state. If I can achieve X by eliminating some foods and focusing on others, why can't I do that? Especially when the foods I eliminate have negative side effects, e.g. inflammation, digestive tract degradation, excess fat storage, etc.

Michael Pollan is not far off, but even his quote recommends a "diet," which you previously recommended people not go on.

Widely available statistics on obesity, life expectancy, and overall health on a regional and country-by-country basis are very eloquent. It does not require too much elaboration and proofs. The Mediterranean diet I am talking about, as well as the Okinawan diet, are just examples of balanced "diets". This is not anecdotal data. I use the word "diet" (and Pollan does as well), not in the restricted sense used in North America but in its real meaning, i.e. simply what we consume, and is one of the most important factors linked to those statistics. As for individual cases, I clearly pointed out that the "secrets" I am "divulging" apply UNLESS for allergies or negative reactions. And my use of the word "secret" is used tongue-in-cheek: there are no secrets, just common sense based on generations eating a certain "diet" and being not only slim and healthy on average, but with having some of the longest life expectancy in the world.

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« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2014, 01:57:16 PM »
Yep i'm on the 4 hour body Slow Carb diet.  I eat Meat beans and vegetables.  Nothing white.  No dairy (except cottage cheese).  I've lost close to 25lbs since jan 1.  which is over 10% of my body weight since i started the diet.  If you stick to it you can lose 5 lbs a week on avg.  its pretty crazy.  oh and you get one cheat day.  anytime you go on a diet that limits carb intake you will lose weight rapidly b/c you lose your water weight since there are no carbs to hold that water in your body.

I'm a fan of that diet, my wife and I did it awhile ago and it really worked for her.

Yeah i did it in 2012 from aug. - jan and went from 235 to 190 ... then got off of it.  I really enjoy eating everything on it.  so i plan to stick to it even once my goal is reached maybe add back in a couple things every now and then but for the most part stick to it.  It works wonders.  I plan to start the walking routine from the book next week to get in shape for wakeboard season.  15 mins a day so simple so effective. 

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« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2014, 02:27:55 PM »
Italy is the land where pasta and pizza and beans are at the table at almost every meal. Nobody on my Italian side of the family (on the Spanish side as well) is or has been overweight, despite eating an abundance of breads, pasta, grains, legumes, desserts, etc.

The Italian secret #1 to stay slim and look good, is...Do not diet, and unless for allergies or negative reactions, never stop eating one type of food, like bread.

Secret # 2: Always enjoy simple, fresh food. This includes bread, pasta, pizza. Tira Misu. Red wine. Good coffee. Balancing quantity and quality is crucial.

Secret #3: Eat every meal with friends or family, or even with a co-worker. Never alone, or in front of the TV or computer. Never standing up. Eat purposefully, and slowly. Talk. That way, you take your time, your stomach has time to register that it is full and send an early-warning signal to your brain that it had enough. 

I think Michael Pollan's diet advice "Eat food, not too much, mostly plants" sums up very well that philosophy. I would add to it: Be convivial.

There are no "secrets" to staying slim and looking good. Just because no person is/has been overweight in your lineage doesn't mean that their diet is the "secret" holy grail of diets. It could be, that your family has the ability to process insulin well. My brother-in-law is a great example. He eats well now, but even when he was a junk-food-eating-machine, he would never gain any fat. His body is much more adept at processing insulin than mine, i.e. we have biological/metabolic differences. Some of us have to work a little harder for aesthetics.
 
What evidence do you have for saying "never stop eating one type of food"? Your body requires X amount of macronutrients and micronutrients to exist in a healthly state. If I can achieve X by eliminating some foods and focusing on others, why can't I do that? Especially when the foods I eliminate have negative side effects, e.g. inflammation, digestive tract degradation, excess fat storage, etc.

Michael Pollan is not far off, but even his quote recommends a "diet," which you previously recommended people not go on.

Widely available statistics on obesity, life expectancy, and overall health on a regional and country-by-country basis are very eloquent. It does not require too much elaboration and proofs. The Mediterranean diet I am talking about, as well as the Okinawan diet, are just examples of balanced "diets". This is not anecdotal data. I use the word "diet" (and Pollan does as well), not in the restricted sense used in North America but in its real meaning, i.e. simply what we consume, and is one of the most important factors linked to those statistics. As for individual cases, I clearly pointed out that the "secrets" I am "divulging" apply UNLESS for allergies or negative reactions. And my use of the word "secret" is used tongue-in-cheek: there are no secrets, just common sense based on generations eating a certain "diet" and being not only slim and healthy on average, but with having some of the longest life expectancy in the world.

A "diet" is merely a way of eating. This we agree on. But you said, "do no diet." To this, we disagree. Taking anyone's advice on altering one's eating habits is going on a "diet," be it Michael Pollan's advice, yours, or mine.

The Okinawan diet is nothing like the diet you described. Additionally, centenarians are primarily found in one place on earth and are relatives. Does this seem like just a diet thing? Or could there be other factors at play? I think it's fair to say genetics play a large role.

It's not "common sense." "Common sense" is why people eat many more carbs than they need. "Common sense" is why the agricultural lobby (Primarily corn and soy) is so influential in our country and dictates what ends up in our supermarkets. People need to challenge conventional wisdom and "common sense" and think a little bit outside the box - this is a sentiment heavily embraced by this very site.

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« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2014, 10:13:19 PM »
Italy is the land where pasta and pizza and beans are at the table at almost every meal. Nobody on my Italian side of the family (on the Spanish side as well) is or has been overweight, despite eating an abundance of breads, pasta, grains, legumes, desserts, etc.

The Italian secret #1 to stay slim and look good, is...Do not diet, and unless for allergies or negative reactions, never stop eating one type of food, like bread.

Secret # 2: Always enjoy simple, fresh food. This includes bread, pasta, pizza. Tira Misu. Red wine. Good coffee. Balancing quantity and quality is crucial.

Secret #3: Eat every meal with friends or family, or even with a co-worker. Never alone, or in front of the TV or computer. Never standing up. Eat purposefully, and slowly. Talk. That way, you take your time, your stomach has time to register that it is full and send an early-warning signal to your brain that it had enough. 

I think Michael Pollan's diet advice "Eat food, not too much, mostly plants" sums up very well that philosophy. I would add to it: Be convivial.

There are no "secrets" to staying slim and looking good. Just because no person is/has been overweight in your lineage doesn't mean that their diet is the "secret" holy grail of diets. It could be, that your family has the ability to process insulin well. My brother-in-law is a great example. He eats well now, but even when he was a junk-food-eating-machine, he would never gain any fat. His body is much more adept at processing insulin than mine, i.e. we have biological/metabolic differences. Some of us have to work a little harder for aesthetics.
 
What evidence do you have for saying "never stop eating one type of food"? Your body requires X amount of macronutrients and micronutrients to exist in a healthly state. If I can achieve X by eliminating some foods and focusing on others, why can't I do that? Especially when the foods I eliminate have negative side effects, e.g. inflammation, digestive tract degradation, excess fat storage, etc.

Michael Pollan is not far off, but even his quote recommends a "diet," which you previously recommended people not go on.


I agree with you on all your posts...  I have given up certain foods including all fruit and all carbs for long periods of time and I am fine.  Like the 4 hour body guy says... you don't need fruit, just take a vitamin.  And some people can lose weight easy and some just can't, sad fact of life.

And some people are good with foods that others aren't.  My wife if GF but I can eat bread.. whole milk.. pretty much anything nothing affects me or gives me allergies.

I can say if you have a hard time losing fat, eliminating carbs and sugar will almost certainly work.  It almost can't NOT work in my experience.

People get hung up on diet myths and lore.  The best I've felt and leanest I have been was doing intermittent fasting.. I ate one big meal at noon usually a 3 egg omelette with bacon and sour cream and cheese and guac.  Sometimes I had some nuts or something later but I wasn't usually hungry.  No fruit.. no veggies.. no carbs!  I worked out on a empty stomach too.  Lost weight, gain muscle, and cholesterol number improved too.

I hate that '6 small meals a day' stuff too.  I never lost weight like that.  Just makes you want to keep eating. And it's a pain in the ass. 

I say try different things, find what works for you, but don't accept anything you know or read as 'the truth' until you see how it works (or doesn't work) for you.