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Get Paid to go to Concert/opening day/beer festivals
« on: March 24, 2014, 01:35:49 PM »
Some people may consider it wrong to buy and resell tickets.  To me its just capitalism at work.  And there is risk involved.  Though that is mitigated if you know you're event will sell out. 

But i love to go to royals opening day and a few concerts a year as well as attending beer festivals(have you seen how much these cost).

So i buy extra tickets and sell them off at over face value.  typically this gets me enough money to more than cover the price of my ticket and i make some extra cash for the stash. 

would the more mustashian thing be just to resell them all? Yeah sure.  But it gets me in for free and i make some dough. 

Oh and since i use a credit card to buy all these i get the cash back too!!

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Re: Get Paid to go to Concert/opening day/beer festivals
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2014, 01:46:50 PM »
I hate people like you

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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2014, 01:47:58 PM »
This is normally against the terms and conditions on the tickets.

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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2014, 01:50:02 PM »
if this were against terms and conditions on tickets then concert/sports teams wouldnt sell bulk tickets to brokers.  but they do. 

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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2014, 01:52:27 PM »
and you can hate me all you want but i have a relationship with my baseball team buying group tickets every year so they give me the opportunity to purchase opening day tickets. 

i also hate every store in the world for buying stuff and then reselling it to me at a higher price... all those store owners out there are terrible people.

everyone in this country who buys anything and resells it for more than they paid must therefore also be a terrible person and deserves to be hated.

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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2014, 01:56:12 PM »
if this were against terms and conditions on tickets then concert/sports teams wouldnt sell bulk tickets to brokers.  but they do.

Wellllllll, just because someone else does it doesn't make it right.  Ack!  I hear my mom saying "If everyone else jumped off a cliff, would you too?" 

In my state it's illegal.  Not to say that people don't do it though.

Hope you know if it's legal or not in your state. 

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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2014, 01:58:13 PM »
its legal in my state they let that bad anticapitalism law expire when it last came up to renew a few years ago. 

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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2014, 02:01:16 PM »
my state actually protects the right of capitalism and to resell them

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No city, county, or other political regulation/ordinance is allowed to prohibit the resale of tickets at any price for any event including any service fees in connection with the sale



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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2014, 02:03:34 PM »
and to compare profiting from resell something you purchased for cheaper to jumping off a bridge with your friends.  you must be an extreme socialist who thinks everyone should just get everything they want for free.  b/c buying and reselling/ trading is what built the country we live in. 

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Re: Get Paid to go to Concert/opening day/beer festivals
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2014, 02:05:09 PM »
Too bad the Royals are no good.

Cardinals World Series Tickets were very Profitable last year.

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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2014, 02:08:57 PM »
royals finished with their best record since i have working knowledge of.  hardly no good.  Last time the game was on the line for a trophy though i believe the royals came out on top. 

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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2014, 02:09:23 PM »
if this were against terms and conditions on tickets then concert/sports teams wouldnt sell bulk tickets to brokers.  but they do.
That is just a ridiculous argument. They sell tickets in bulk to brokers FOR RESALE.

If you want to get paid to go to a concert or a beer festival, work there. I worked on the cider bar at a beer festival a few years ago, and it was my duty to try every single cider there, so that I could make recommendations to the punters.

The USA also protects your right to picket funerals, because being a dick isn't against the law. Obvious troll is obvious.

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Re: Get Paid to go to Concert/opening day/beer festivals
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2014, 02:13:07 PM »
and to compare profiting from resell something you purchased for cheaper to jumping off a bridge with your friends.  you must be an extreme socialist who thinks everyone should just get everything they want for free.  b/c buying and reselling/ trading is what built the country we live in.

Adding value to those transactions is what built the country we live in. Most retailers who don't add value to the consumer but simply increase cost don't last long.

Generally this works well when goods are "infinite" - ie it's unlikely for 100% of consumer products to be purchased and result in a situation with such scarcity. You do occasionally see it with new product launches and people reselling them immediately on ebay/etc, though, but this is very rare for consumer goods.  If retailer A sells a product for $100 more than retailer B and provides me with no additional value, as a consumer I have the option to not purchase from retailer A and instead choose B.

It's therefore difficult for a retailer to just tack on a middleman fee which doesn't provide me additional value. Especially given the prevalence of online shopping. If I pay more for something, I almost always am paying for something - convenience, the ability to physically hold the product, etc.

This model falls apart with "finite" products. The middleman almost always adds no additional value to the transaction and effectively acts like a parasite where consumers simply pay additional cost with no added benefit.

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Re: Get Paid to go to Concert/opening day/beer festivals
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2014, 02:14:53 PM »
i also hate every store in the world for buying stuff and then reselling it to me at a higher price... all those store owners out there are terrible people.

everyone in this country who buys anything and resells it for more than they paid must therefore also be a terrible person and deserves to be hated.

What you are doing is very different than a store owner buying product at wholesale and reselling it retail. That store owner is providing value by acting as a liaison between wholesaler and retail customer. You are buying tickets that you know full well would have otherwise been purchased by other retail customers and simply charging more for them. You are not providing any value (like a good capitalist would) - you are simply exploiting a hole in the system. That hole exists because it is better for the artist or team to have a full house and make less money on each ticket than to charge "what the market will bear" and risk having a half-empty crowd (which negatively impacts everyone's experience of the event).

I don't hate you for doing it, but you can't pretend it is capitalism at play.

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« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2014, 02:20:47 PM »
The other thing is that the audience is often a big part of what makes events the events that they are, and artists often want to sell tickets at the price their core fans can afford, rather than to the highest bidder. Ticket-scalping therefore directly detracts from the event.

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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2014, 02:24:10 PM »
When i'm the cheapest reseller in town and i have clients who come to me yearly to get tickets at a flat markup how is that not providing value.  i'm providing people a path to buy tickets to a sold out event that they wouldnt have access to otherwise b/c i buy them "wholesale" in bulk before they go on sale to the general public.  My customers come to me so they dont have to try to buy tickets in a 3 minute window before they sell out.  OR for the extra tickets that i dont already have sold before i bought, the value provided is that a customer can wait until they are sure they want to attend an event.  Where as i have to put my money up for the event in December for an event in April.  There is value in what i do. 

To the point that ticket scalping retracts.  The most hardcore fan should be willing to spend money to get there and IF they cant then they should be camping out to get tickets to the event. 

Its annoying when an event sells out in ten minutes .. but if you have a meeting and cant make it in time the secondary market is available to serve those people.   Supply and Demand ... cost of time etc. all apply to this situation. 
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Re: Get Paid to go to Concert/opening day/beer festivals
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2014, 02:26:45 PM »
and to compare profiting from resell something you purchased for cheaper to jumping off a bridge with your friends.  you must be an extreme socialist who thinks everyone should just get everything they want for free.  b/c buying and reselling/ trading is what built the country we live in.

Please reread my whole post, because that's a gross mischaracterization of the point of my post.  I was responding to this comment of yours:

if this were against terms and conditions on tickets then concert/sports teams wouldnt sell bulk tickets to brokers.  but they do.

which essentially made the analogy that it's ok because someone else is doing it too.  I tried to point out the fallacy in your argument by mentioning the jumping a bridge comment, because, well, anytime I said something like that as a kid, my mom, would point out that others doing something doesn't make it necessarily a good idea or true.  (Not to mention this whole idea of MMM is bucking what "others" are doing!)

Anyhow, I'm glad it's not illegal in your state.  I thought I was being helpful by suggesting you check and make sure you weren't breaking the law, as in mine you are limited to $2 over face value.   https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Chapter140/Section185D  In the future, I will reconsider letting someone know they might be unwittingly breaking the law.

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Re: Get Paid to go to Concert/opening day/beer festivals
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2014, 02:29:00 PM »
It's not up to you to decide what fans "should be willing" to do to get tickets.

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« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2014, 02:30:37 PM »
wow thats super interesting that boston has that law b/c i go to the Royals/Red Sox game every year and pay much more than 2 dollars over face for my tickets. 

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« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2014, 02:31:36 PM »
It's not up to you to decide what fans "should be willing" to do to get tickets.

correct the FREE market decides what fans are willing to pay for tickets.

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Re: Get Paid to go to Concert/opening day/beer festivals
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2014, 02:42:05 PM »
It's not at all clear that you have understood anything anyone has responded to you.

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« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2014, 02:47:38 PM »
someone said provide value.  tell the lady that just gave me a six pack of beer on top of the tickets i sold her that i didnt provide her any value. 

Common claimed just because others are doing it doesnt mean its legal.  Which in part could be correct but even if i didnt know the law i would have a hard time believing a company that is advertising on TV and the Radio is operating outside of the law by reselling tickets over face.  Oh and they have store fronts in town. 

And i dont set the price of the tickets just like any other good or service in this country the price of the ticket is set by what someone is willing to pay for it.  if no one were willing to pay more than face value for tickets no secondary market would exist.  but they are so it does.

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« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2014, 02:54:02 PM »
Common claimed explained that just because others are doing it doesnt mean its legal, and provided a link to the law.  Which in part could be is correct but even if i didnt know now that I know the law i would have a hard time believing a company that is advertising on TV and the Radio is operating outside of the law by reselling tickets over face.  Oh and they have store fronts in town. 

FTFY

ETA: Here's what a quick google search turned up on the legality in 50 states.  http://seatgeek.com/blog/ticket-industry/ticket-resale-laws  Please note, this is not legal advice.  I recommend you consult an attorney licensed in your state.
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« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2014, 02:59:35 PM »
Common you are directly saying that i didnt know my own states law.  I'm glad you live in my head and know what i know i wish i had your talents. 

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Re: Get Paid to go to Concert/opening day/beer festivals
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2014, 03:00:00 PM »
someone said provide value.  tell the lady that just gave me a six pack of beer on top of the tickets i sold her that i didnt provide her any value. 

But you TOOK value from the other retail customer that would have bought that ticket. You are not creating value, you are just moving it to someone else and extracting a fee. You created a win-lose, where the aforementioned store owner created a win-win. Events like these have a different supply/demand structure than other products. The tickets are deliberately priced lower than where a normal supply/demand curve would dictate because it benefits everyone to have the event at or near capacity. You are exploiting that.

if no one were willing to pay more than face value for tickets no secondary market would exist.  but they are so it does.

Just because there is a demand for a product does not mean it is morally advisable to fill that demand. There is a huge demand for child pornography. That does not make it a good idea to fill that demand (even if you are just reselling it and not creating it). I'm not (yet) contending that what you're doing is immoral per se, but "there is a market for it" is insufficient justification.

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« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2014, 03:13:08 PM »
OK so i propose a solution to keep people like me from doing this.  Make ticket prices high enough that people cant afford them but in small doses and they will not sell out and will allow any consumer who is willing to pay the amount to purchase them. 

IF you sell out  raise prices until you stop selling out... that will assure anyone who decideds day of event a seat at the event. 

I realized this was a sore subject for many before posting it.  everyone has their own lines on what they consider moral.  I dont consider reselling tickets immoral.  If you do and you ever buy a ticket at over face value you are playing party to that b/c you drive the market.  I buy tickets at over face. 

Maybe you're all considering the end seller incorrectly.  People assume the end seller is the box office.  In the world we live in now the end seller is typically a broker. 

In the case of baseball.  ANYONE can callup and request group tickets for opening day.  BUT you must by 20 tickets.  If i cant buy 20 tickets or choose not to I am choosing to pay the broker that has purchased these tickets in bulk.  so i can get my 4 tickets.  How is that different than buying fish in bulk and selling them one at a time.  I dont need 20 fish just like the grocery store doesnt need 20 fish. 

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« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2014, 03:14:25 PM »
Can someone explain how this is different than buying a stock, then selling it later at a profit? I'm not trying to be an asshole here, seriously I don't see the difference.

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« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2014, 03:25:09 PM »
Can someone explain how this is different than buying a stock, then selling it later at a profit? I'm not trying to be an asshole here, seriously I don't see the difference.
The price of a ticket to an event affects who will go to the event, which affects the quality of the event itself. Event tickets are often not priced so as to maximise the short-term profits from that individual event, but as a trade-off between short-term profit and the quality of the event, i.e. the value delivered to the attendees (and by association, the event's reputation, and hence long-term profitability).
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« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2014, 03:26:28 PM »
Can someone explain how this is different than buying a stock, then selling it later at a profit? I'm not trying to be an asshole here, seriously I don't see the difference.

Stocks are bought and sold at fair market value. Tickets are sold below market value (for a variety of reasons, typically to ensure the event has a critical mass of people and to avoid pricing out fans that are the artists primary demographic). Scalpers negate those reasons by bringing the price back up to fair market.

The ad absurdum example is this: Let's say I know that Bill Gates really wants to go to a particular event, and is willing to pay up to $10 million for a ticket. In that case, it would be profitable for me to buy all the tickets and set the price per ticket at $10 million. In that case $10 million is the fair market value, since I have a willing buyer and it allows me to make the most profit, but is sucks for everyone (including the artist and Bill) because the event is not as enjoyable in a huge venue with an audience of 1.

Edit to add: It would be like if Disneyland had one day a year where they cut their ticket prices in half so that poor people could afford it, and then you bought them all and sold them for near-retail. You're exploiting the reason the tickets are sold below-market.
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« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2014, 03:29:48 PM »
so how does a sold out event's quality drop if the ticket buyers bought them on the secondary market?  Was there a study done that showed a relationship between these 2 things.

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« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2014, 03:31:19 PM »
ticket reselling is akin to arbitrage when looked at from a purely financial perspective.  Sometimes tickets to non sold out events sell for less than face value.  The reselling of tickets will always be closer to fair market value regardless of if its higher or lower than what the face value is. 

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« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2014, 03:42:17 PM »
In almost all cases with my tickets i originally bought them for the event with full intentions of going... then when you see the fair market value.  You have to decide.  If this ticket had cost me 50% more would i have bought it.  Chances are the answer is no.  So why wouldnt i sell it now.  And then in future years i decided why not buy a few more then i can go and not have to pay. 

To each his own ... you can consider it badass or you can be mad at the world about it.  but making money and going to a baseball game is badass IMO. 

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« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2014, 03:44:34 PM »
so how does a sold out event's quality drop if the ticket buyers bought them on the secondary market?
By appeal to the free market, for example. The event promoter is in the best position to know what determines the quality of the event. The price set by the event promoter is the price which maximises the quality, and therefore long-term profitability, of the event. If you trust the free market, below-market ticket prices are themselves evidence that market-price tickets are worse for the event.

Nobody here appears to think you are badass except yourself.

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« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2014, 03:48:18 PM »
I don't think I'd call it badass, but I certainly respect the side hustle and don't have a problem with it like others here. If you sold all the tickets, then I'd call it badass.

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« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2014, 03:49:51 PM »
touche.  cheddar.  i should sell all and still fight that battle internally every year.  Over half go to friends at face value and help fund our tailgate. 

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« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2014, 03:51:59 PM »
I don't think I'd call it badass, but I certainly respect the side hustle and don't have a problem with it like others here. If you sold all the tickets, then I'd call it badass.

I have a seriously hard time finding an issue with this as well.

This is what I do when tickets cost more than I want to pay:  I don't buy them.  More often than not, the face value is way more than I want to pay.  [ As a reference, in my state scalping is legal as long as it is not on the premises where the event is held. ]

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« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2014, 03:55:36 PM »
thanks guys... i knew not everyone was opposed. 

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« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2014, 04:14:59 PM »
All arguments aside, I'd love to hear more about how you manage to do this.   Do you just buy tickets online the minute they go on sale?   Do you send people to ticket windows with a list?   Where do you sell?   Craigslist, Stubhub?

I don't see a huge problem with this if it's legal.   I've always been able to get tickets to a concert I want to see simply by signing up the minute they go on sale.    Sure, I've never sat in the first 10 rows or so, but then again I never wanted to pay the price for what those seats cost.     

On a side note, I've heard lately that a lot of big artists are tired of the people in the front rows at their concerts.   They're often corporate types that can pay the huge markup and care more about the image of front row seats than the actual band playing.    The bands like the energy of real fans in the front row at the shows so they started only selling those tickets through their fan clubs.    Seems like the best way to combat this problem.

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« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2014, 04:17:16 PM »
I don't think I'd call it badass, but I certainly respect the side hustle and don't have a problem with it like others here. If you sold all the tickets, then I'd call it badass.

I have a seriously hard time finding an issue with this as well.

This is what I do when tickets cost more than I want to pay:  I don't buy them.  More often than not, the face value is way more than I want to pay.  [ As a reference, in my state scalping is legal as long as it is not on the premises where the event is held. ]

I'm not a huge fan of live events and only go to a few each year at most. I have missed out on tickets a few times due to brokers/scalpers snatching them all up, but it wasn't a big deal to me.

I also sold Cardinals Game 7 2011 World Series tickets at a rather large profit which paid for the majority of the season tickets. I watched them win the World Series at a friends house and loved every second of it. I'd rather have the cash and the experience with friends than a live event with 40,000 strangers.

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« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2014, 04:25:38 PM »
Beer festival and concerts buy immediately when they go on sale. Tickets for opening day. I buy the same amount every year and I'm locked in I can get more by requesting and they usually come thru.

Selling. Out of state stub hub is my only real option i like to avoid it though since they charge 15% plus the buyer pays fees on top. Tick pick is better
In town I stick to craigslist til the lat minute benefits both buyer and seller.

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« Reply #41 on: March 26, 2014, 08:05:33 AM »
Oh, I love buying football tickets off the likes of JHart.... we go down to the Ray Jay and tailgate....3 minutes after kick off can typically score tickets at face or less. :-) (this trick only works if your football team su***)

We love to attend music festivals and arts festivals in the Tampa Bay area. Some of my more-Mustachian-than-me friends will volunteer to work customer service, security, janitorial, etc.  4 hours of work is requested and the rest of the festival is free.


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« Reply #42 on: March 26, 2014, 08:35:46 AM »

On a side note, I've heard lately that a lot of big artists are tired of the people in the front rows at their concerts.   They're often corporate types that can pay the huge markup and care more about the image of front row seats than the actual band playing.    The bands like the energy of real fans in the front row at the shows so they started only selling those tickets through their fan clubs.    Seems like the best way to combat this problem.

I think that works for "one round" of tickets.  (I.e. everyone knows that secret now.)  It's now fairly well known that when you go to ticketbastard's web site on the day the tickets are released, they're all already sold or tied up immediately.  So, this adds another step to the process.  You now must join the fan club and buy on pre-release dates.  All that's done is drive the price up by the cost of the fan club membership.

I'm an oldish fart.  I used to go to LOTS of concerts.  But even the face value has pretty much priced me out of the market.  Just as an example, a well-known national headliner band used to run about $6.50 in 1979.   Running that through an inflation calculator, the expected price would now be about $21.  But... they're generally about $100 around here (plus fan club costs plus parking plus $10 watery beer plus....).    I'll watch the concert DVD from Netflix.  I know it's not the same.  But it's really hard for me to drop several hundred dollars for a concert.