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Do you practice Navy showers? Even at hotels?
« on: November 09, 2024, 09:10:41 AM »
Navy showers are extremely frugal and environmentally conscious as they minimize water use and cost. They are a great idea at home. Anyone do this?


What about on vacation at a hotel or campground shower block? Same length shower? Longer maybe since the price is fixed?

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Re: Do you practice Navy showers? Even at hotels?
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2024, 09:36:38 AM »
I had to look up what a Navy shower was. LOL

We definitely do not do this in our house. A nice hot (not rushed) shower for me or a nice hot bath for the wifey is a simple pleasure of life. Like a great cup of coffee.
when we first moved into our house 3.5 years ago we went out of our way trying to cut water usage as much as we could. It only took a few months to realize that for us the difference between extreme water frugality and lavish usage was $10-$15 a month, max; and for that price difference I'm not concerned with the savings.

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Re: Do you practice Navy showers? Even at hotels?
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2024, 10:20:06 AM »
I do quick showers for the water conservation, not for the financial savings. So, yes, my showering method applies wherever I am, although I may relax a bit in places without concerns about their water.

That being said, they aren't Navy showers. I alternate a sponge bath method that uses even less water with fairly rare showers. Even that didn't necessarily start from water conservation issues so much as skin issues in certain environments.

My husband does Navy showers, then stands under the flowing water after the rinse. Our joint water usage is still a little less than the average personal usage, last I checked.

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Re: Do you practice Navy showers? Even at hotels?
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2024, 10:49:37 AM »
I do, using the trickle button on the shower head, unless it's really cold in the bathroom.

Same when traveling, if it's easy. A trickle button or mixer temp setting is best.

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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2024, 04:40:10 AM »
For about three months every summer, our tap water is warm enough that I do cold navy showers. 10 seconds rinse, lather, 10 seconds rinse. Uses about half a gallon and no hot water.

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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2024, 08:31:10 AM »
Nope. At home I don’t take long showers, but I don’t try to cheapskate them either. As far as when staying at a hotel? I don’t stay at hotels very often, but yeah, long showers. And I slowly turn the temperature up as the shower goes on and on until it’s hot tub temperature. Sorry, not sorry.

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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2024, 09:03:12 AM »
Sometimes, yes. California has drought years. I installed a valve behind my shower head so I can pause the water or slow it to a trickle without losing my temperature setting. At the time, finding that valve was challenging. If I ever do a major bathroom update, I might try to look for Euro-style controls, where one knob is temperature and the other is on/off. I don't know if the US has such a thing.

Sometimes, I'll just let the water run and do my best not to take too long, especially when I'm cold. I have about as low-flow a showerhead as they make, and it's a pretty small luxury. Much more water savings would come of convincing neighbors to replace thirsty lawns and so forth.

I once used a campground shower that had a timer for what might have been there minutes. It seemed like I was the only visitor who managed to get in and out in just one cycle that day.

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Re: Do you practice Navy showers? Even at hotels?
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2024, 09:29:24 AM »
I've never lived in a water shortage area so haven't worried about it, but I would use the navy method if I was staying somewhere that had an issue and I was asked to conserve water. I don't like particularly hot showers though: I usually start warm and turn it down gradually as I go so I get cooled off without a big shock.

I've seen the showers that only work when a button is continuously depressed.  Must have been at a campground or something.

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Re: Do you practice Navy showers? Even at hotels?
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2024, 09:30:49 AM »
I've never lived in a water shortage area so haven't worried about it, but I would use the navy method if I was staying somewhere that had an issue and I was asked to conserve water. I don't like particularly hot showers though: I usually start warm and turn it down gradually as I go so I get cooled off without a big shock.

I've seen the showers that only work when a button is continuously depressed.  Must have been at a campground or something.

I have seen it at pools, too. It is a good method for making sure no one forgets to turn the shower completely off.

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Re: Do you practice Navy showers? Even at hotels?
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2024, 09:35:59 AM »
I've never lived in a water shortage area so haven't worried about it, but I would use the navy method if I was staying somewhere that had an issue and I was asked to conserve water. I don't like particularly hot showers though: I usually start warm and turn it down gradually as I go so I get cooled off without a big shock.

I've seen the showers that only work when a button is continuously depressed.  Must have been at a campground or something.

I have seen it at pools, too. It is a good method for making sure no one forgets to turn the shower completely off.

There was someone on the forum that talked about installing one in their house a while back.  Could have been syonyk maybe???

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Re: Do you practice Navy showers? Even at hotels?
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2024, 09:46:38 AM »
I've never lived in a water shortage area so haven't worried about it, but I would use the navy method if I was staying somewhere that had an issue and I was asked to conserve water. I don't like particularly hot showers though: I usually start warm and turn it down gradually as I go so I get cooled off without a big shock.

I've seen the showers that only work when a button is continuously depressed.  Must have been at a campground or something.

I have seen it at pools, too. It is a good method for making sure no one forgets to turn the shower completely off.

There was someone on the forum that talked about installing one in their house a while back.  Could have been syonyk maybe???

We have a friend with a smart regulator that shuts off the water when it exceeds normal usage by whatever metric to mitigate leaks. Or, houseguests taking showers...

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Re: Do you practice Navy showers? Even at hotels?
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2024, 10:20:15 AM »
Funny coincidence, I took a Navy shower last week when our old sewer was draining very slowly and the sewer guys wouldn't be out until the next day. I was thinking - this is not a Hollywood shower, the term for the opposite which I think I know from Tom Clancy books and can or could be a reward for Navy folks.

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« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2024, 10:52:19 AM »
Sometimes, yes. California has drought years. I installed a valve behind my shower head so I can pause the water or slow it to a trickle without losing my temperature setting. At the time, finding that valve was challenging. If I ever do a major bathroom update, I might try to look for Euro-style controls, where one knob is temperature and the other is on/off. I don't know if the US has such a thing.

Sometimes, I'll just let the water run and do my best not to take too long, especially when I'm cold. I have about as low-flow a showerhead as they make, and it's a pretty small luxury. Much more water savings would come of convincing neighbors to replace thirsty lawns and so forth.

I once used a campground shower that had a timer for what might have been there minutes. It seemed like I was the only visitor who managed to get in and out in just one cycle that day.


Is that what a Trickle valve is? I have never heard of them.

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Re: Do you practice Navy showers? Even at hotels?
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2024, 03:17:36 PM »
Not a chance, if water were that precious it would cost a lot more.  Totally unnecessary.

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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2024, 06:39:45 PM »
I have stayed at hotels in areas experiencing drought where they had installed a manual flip timer to encourage people to take shorter showers.  I did try to limit my water usage in those cases.

I don't take exceptionally long showers anyway, but at home I do try to limit them to as short as possible if I know other people are taking showers after me (only happens once or twice a month).  Our hot water heater is not huge, and we have run out if more than 2 of us try to shower in a row.

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« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2024, 04:21:07 AM »
Not a chance, if water were that precious it would cost a lot more.  Totally unnecessary.

I mean obviously it hardly matters. But I think there's something rewarding about these small efforts. I think it gets me in a good mindset. I also do other tiny money & environment measures like re-using bread bags, it's just for fun really.

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Re: Do you practice Navy showers? Even at hotels?
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2024, 07:36:38 AM »
I don't specifically follow navy shower rules (turning the water off in the middle of the shower), but typically I'm in and out of the shower in 2-3 minutes.  I have to shower twice a day most days, and don't really feel a need to waste tons of time in there.

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Re: Do you practice Navy showers? Even at hotels?
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2024, 07:41:20 AM »
I used to do the Navy shower thing in the summer, when I wouldn't get freezing cold due to being naked and wet.  I've stopped, but I still use very little water. 

Being curious, I just measured in a bucket and weighed one minute's worth of water from the shower head---- 1/2 gallon per minute.  When this topic came up on MMM a couple of years ago, I remember measuring it at .75 gpm, but I think I must be throttling down a bit more now (fixed leaky diverter valve).  My showers take about 10 minutes, maybe 15 if I want to really relax under the warm water.  I'm using 5 gallons in a typical shower, so I'm about done optimizing that aspect to my liking.

I don't take exceptionally long showers anyway, but at home I do try to limit them to as short as possible if I know other people are taking showers after me (only happens once or twice a month).  Our hot water heater is not huge, and we have run out if more than 2 of us try to shower in a row.

If you don't think you take long showers, you probably have a deluge spraying out.  You might want to experiment and measure exactly how much you use, because if 3 people taking consecutive showers causes a lack of hot water, you might either have 1) a 30 gallon or smaller electric water heater, or 2) a very high flow shower head.  Its also possible your upper (edit- bad lower element might make more sense) water heater element is burned out, but people would still have to be using quite a bit of water.

edited to add--- I think I know why I went from .75 to .5 gpm.  I replaced the water diverter a few months ago--- the pull tab at the spout.  It was leaking quite a bit when I shower, so probably my water savings is because all the water is actually going up to the shower head now, instead of dribbling out the bottom.

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« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2024, 08:06:55 AM »
If I ever do a major bathroom update, I might try to look for Euro-style controls, where one knob is temperature and the other is on/off. I don't know if the US has such a thing.
We have separate temperature and volume controls in our shower. Installed circa 2009, I believe. So it is available in the US.

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« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2024, 08:37:34 AM »
We are in a modern California hotel now that has a single knob for temp only and flow is about as high as I have experienced - it is borderline fire hose pressure and volume. Aren’t these things regulated?

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« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2024, 12:14:45 PM »
Oh fuck no. Not at home. I get enough of that on the ship.

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« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2024, 01:14:48 PM »
Sometimes, in the summer, when it's hot out and I don't want to get any hotter.  But generally, I like long hot showers because I have issues with stiff muscles.  And water is very cheap here.

Hotels- what are those?

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« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2024, 01:18:18 AM »
Sometimes, yes. California has drought years. I installed a valve behind my shower head so I can pause the water or slow it to a trickle without losing my temperature setting. At the time, finding that valve was challenging. If I ever do a major bathroom update, I might try to look for Euro-style controls, where one knob is temperature and the other is on/off. I don't know if the US has such a thing.

Sometimes, I'll just let the water run and do my best not to take too long, especially when I'm cold. I have about as low-flow a showerhead as they make, and it's a pretty small luxury. Much more water savings would come of convincing neighbors to replace thirsty lawns and so forth.

I once used a campground shower that had a timer for what might have been there minutes. It seemed like I was the only visitor who managed to get in and out in just one cycle that day.


Is that what a Trickle valve is? I have never heard of them.

It's just a quarter-turn valve that's sized to fit in line with a shower head. If I want a trickle to rinse a razor or something, I just leave it partly open.

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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2024, 01:43:59 AM »
We do in the RV. At home, I generally shower every other day, so I can bask in the luxury of a slightly longer shower.

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« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2024, 01:49:26 AM »
I "kind of" take navy showers at home when I wash my hair but I do it to avoid running out of hot water too soon. Very long hair, step into shower and get wet, turn it off and shampoo hair, turn it on to rinse, then off while I add conditioner and the soap up the body, on to rinse off hair and body. Done. When I don't wash hair I just take shorter showers and leave the water running while I soap up and rinse off.

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« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2024, 05:46:42 AM »
I "kind of" take navy showers at home when I wash my hair but I do it to avoid running out of hot water too soon. Very long hair, step into shower and get wet, turn it off and shampoo hair, turn it on to rinse, then off while I add conditioner and the soap up the body, on to rinse off hair and body. Done. When I don't wash hair I just take shorter showers and leave the water running while I soap up and rinse off.

But why? why??

Look, it's not like I'm truly taking Hollywood showers. I don't actually enjoy bathing that much. I'm probably in and out in 3-4 minutes. But I leave the water on. It's land. land!

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« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2024, 07:31:52 AM »
I "kind of" take navy showers at home when I wash my hair but I do it to avoid running out of hot water too soon. Very long hair, step into shower and get wet, turn it off and shampoo hair, turn it on to rinse, then off while I add conditioner and the soap up the body, on to rinse off hair and body. Done. When I don't wash hair I just take shorter showers and leave the water running while I soap up and rinse off.

But why? why??

Look, it's not like I'm truly taking Hollywood showers. I don't actually enjoy bathing that much. I'm probably in and out in 3-4 minutes. But I leave the water on. It's land. land!

Thinking about it again, I do take navy showers when I'm leaving my BJJ gym.  I attend the latest class of the day usually, so there are 40-50 guys who have showered before me and it's not uncommon to run out of hot water.  So I blast with lukewarm/cold water, soap up, then blast off with lukewarm/cold again to minimize the cold water time.  :P

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« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2024, 07:48:19 AM »
I "kind of" take navy showers at home when I wash my hair but I do it to avoid running out of hot water too soon. Very long hair, step into shower and get wet, turn it off and shampoo hair, turn it on to rinse, then off while I add conditioner and the soap up the body, on to rinse off hair and body. Done. When I don't wash hair I just take shorter showers and leave the water running while I soap up and rinse off.

But why? why??

Look, it's not like I'm truly taking Hollywood showers. I don't actually enjoy bathing that much. I'm probably in and out in 3-4 minutes. But I leave the water on. It's land. land!


Because:
1) it is not frugal to waste water as it costs money that could be used for other things
2) it is not environmentally conscious to waste water as it is a a limited resource.  Have you seen the Great Salt Lake recently?  Do you know the source of water for your home?
3) it is not environmentally conscious to waste water as it requires energy (carbon emissions) to a) pump it to your house perhaps many miles, b) heat it, and c) transfer and process the waste water.


Does anyone know the full range of CO2 impacts from showers?

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« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2024, 07:59:33 AM »
I "kind of" take navy showers at home when I wash my hair but I do it to avoid running out of hot water too soon. Very long hair, step into shower and get wet, turn it off and shampoo hair, turn it on to rinse, then off while I add conditioner and the soap up the body, on to rinse off hair and body. Done. When I don't wash hair I just take shorter showers and leave the water running while I soap up and rinse off.

But why? why??

Look, it's not like I'm truly taking Hollywood showers. I don't actually enjoy bathing that much. I'm probably in and out in 3-4 minutes. But I leave the water on. It's land. land!


Because:
1) it is not frugal to waste water as it costs money that could be used for other things
2) it is not environmentally conscious to waste water as it is a a limited resource.  Have you seen the Great Salt Lake recently?  Do you know the source of water for your home?
3) it is not environmentally conscious to waste water as it requires energy (carbon emissions) to a) pump it to your house perhaps many miles, b) heat it, and c) transfer and process the waste water.


Does anyone know the full range of CO2 impacts from showers?

15 minute shower - 5.67 lbs co2 (https://www.aquatell.ca/pages/how-household-water-usage-contributes-to-co2-emissions#:~:text=Showers%20and%20Baths,15%20minutes%20x%200.18%20lbs).)
3 minute shower - 1.134 lbs co2
1 minute navy shower (assume 30 second wetting and 30 second rinse) - 0.375 lbs co2

So assuming a shower a day, the difference between taking a 3 min shower and a 1 min navy shower works out to the difference between 413.91 and 137.97 lbs co2 each year.  Or to put it another way, it costs the equivalent of burning just under 14 gallons of gas (https://www.c2es.org/content/reducing-your-transportation-footprint/#:~:text=Burning%20one%20gallon%20of%20gasoline,tons%20of%20CO2%20each%20year.) each year.

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« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2024, 08:41:20 AM »
Not a chance, if water were that precious it would cost a lot more.  Totally unnecessary.

There are a variety of reasons that water prices don't reflect its scarcity or worth. During California's last sustained drought, some people with wells were turning on their taps and nothing was coming out. They don't necessarily pay water bills at all if they're on wells, just whatever energy is needed to pump and heat the water.

I don't offhand know the history of why not, but I don't think there's even any kind of tiered pricing system. I wish it were possible to charge affordable rates for the amount of water each household needs to wash, cook, clean, etc., enough extra for the next amount to discourage people from hosing off their driveways or over-watering lawns, and a bunch more if someone is trying to maintain a personal golf course or something.

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« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2024, 08:51:39 AM »
Because:
1) it is not frugal to waste water as it costs money that could be used for other things
2) it is not environmentally conscious to waste water as it is a a limited resource.  Have you seen the Great Salt Lake recently?  Do you know the source of water for your home?
3) it is not environmentally conscious to waste water as it requires energy (carbon emissions) to a) pump it to your house perhaps many miles, b) heat it, and c) transfer and process the waste water.


Does anyone know the full range of CO2 impacts from showers?

15 minute shower - 5.67 lbs co2 (https://www.aquatell.ca/pages/how-household-water-usage-contributes-to-co2-emissions#:~:text=Showers%20and%20Baths,15%20minutes%20x%200.18%20lbs).)
3 minute shower - 1.134 lbs co2
1 minute navy shower (assume 30 second wetting and 30 second rinse) - 0.375 lbs co2

So assuming a shower a day, the difference between taking a 3 min shower and a 1 min navy shower works out to the difference between 413.91 and 137.97 lbs co2 each year.  Or to put it another way, it costs the equivalent of burning just under 14 gallons of gas (https://www.c2es.org/content/reducing-your-transportation-footprint/#:~:text=Burning%20one%20gallon%20of%20gasoline,tons%20of%20CO2%20each%20year.) each year.

From that link, it assumes 2.1 gpm of heated water for the shower.  I typically use 1/4 of that flow rate, and when I've gone to hotels where I can't control it, it's like getting hit by a firehose.  There are some great low flow shower heads out there, but when I try to find something at Lowes/HomeDepot, the lowest is 1.8 and  majority advertised at 2.2 or 2.5 on the shelf.

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« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2024, 02:26:03 PM »
I "kind of" take navy showers at home when I wash my hair but I do it to avoid running out of hot water too soon. Very long hair, step into shower and get wet, turn it off and shampoo hair, turn it on to rinse, then off while I add conditioner and the soap up the body, on to rinse off hair and body. Done. When I don't wash hair I just take shorter showers and leave the water running while I soap up and rinse off.

But why? why??

Look, it's not like I'm truly taking Hollywood showers. I don't actually enjoy bathing that much. I'm probably in and out in 3-4 minutes. But I leave the water on. It's land. land!


Because:
1) it is not frugal to waste water as it costs money that could be used for other things
2) it is not environmentally conscious to waste water as it is a a limited resource.  Have you seen the Great Salt Lake recently?  Do you know the source of water for your home?
3) it is not environmentally conscious to waste water as it requires energy (carbon emissions) to a) pump it to your house perhaps many miles, b) heat it, and c) transfer and process the waste water.


Does anyone know the full range of CO2 impacts from showers?

15 minute shower - 5.67 lbs co2 (https://www.aquatell.ca/pages/how-household-water-usage-contributes-to-co2-emissions#:~:text=Showers%20and%20Baths,15%20minutes%20x%200.18%20lbs).)
3 minute shower - 1.134 lbs co2
1 minute navy shower (assume 30 second wetting and 30 second rinse) - 0.375 lbs co2

So assuming a shower a day, the difference between taking a 3 min shower and a 1 min navy shower works out to the difference between 413.91 and 137.97 lbs co2 each year.  Or to put it another way, it costs the equivalent of burning just under 14 gallons of gas (https://www.c2es.org/content/reducing-your-transportation-footprint/#:~:text=Burning%20one%20gallon%20of%20gasoline,tons%20of%20CO2%20each%20year.) each year.

It was all mostly a joke. Spartana and I both work(ed) on ships. With actual Navy showers. Sometimes 'they'* just shut the water off, about 45 seconds before making the ship-wide announcement. You hear that ominous rattle of the water draining back down to the lowest point, and you know you have about 3 seconds to get off whatever soap remains on your person. It's a frantic, unhappy sound.


*Over the course of 20 years, I've become They. And yes, I perpetuation unto the next generation the same horrors that were visited upon me.

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Re: Do you practice Navy showers? Even at hotels?
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2024, 04:52:12 PM »
I "kind of" take navy showers at home when I wash my hair but I do it to avoid running out of hot water too soon. Very long hair, step into shower and get wet, turn it off and shampoo hair, turn it on to rinse, then off while I add conditioner and the soap up the body, on to rinse off hair and body. Done. When I don't wash hair I just take shorter showers and leave the water running while I soap up and rinse off.

But why? why??

Look, it's not like I'm truly taking Hollywood showers. I don't actually enjoy bathing that much. I'm probably in and out in 3-4 minutes. But I leave the water on. It's land. land!


Because:
1) it is not frugal to waste water as it costs money that could be used for other things
2) it is not environmentally conscious to waste water as it is a a limited resource.  Have you seen the Great Salt Lake recently?  Do you know the source of water for your home?
3) it is not environmentally conscious to waste water as it requires energy (carbon emissions) to a) pump it to your house perhaps many miles, b) heat it, and c) transfer and process the waste water.


Does anyone know the full range of CO2 impacts from showers?

15 minute shower - 5.67 lbs co2 (https://www.aquatell.ca/pages/how-household-water-usage-contributes-to-co2-emissions#:~:text=Showers%20and%20Baths,15%20minutes%20x%200.18%20lbs).)
3 minute shower - 1.134 lbs co2
1 minute navy shower (assume 30 second wetting and 30 second rinse) - 0.375 lbs co2

So assuming a shower a day, the difference between taking a 3 min shower and a 1 min navy shower works out to the difference between 413.91 and 137.97 lbs co2 each year.  Or to put it another way, it costs the equivalent of burning just under 14 gallons of gas (https://www.c2es.org/content/reducing-your-transportation-footprint/#:~:text=Burning%20one%20gallon%20of%20gasoline,tons%20of%20CO2%20each%20year.) each year.


And that is only to *heat* the water.  Before you can do that it has to be pumped out of the ground, filtered, and pumped perhaps many miles to your shower head.  Then the wastewater has to be transported, managed and treated.  All this is more carbon every inch of the way.

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« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2024, 05:43:22 PM »
You brought this on yourselves….

A Few Suggestions On What To Do When You Miss Being At Sea:

1. Invite 200 of your not-so-closest friends to come over, then board up all the windows and doors to your house for 6 moths. after 6 months is up, take down the boards, and since you're on duty that day, wave at your friends and family through the front window of your home.

2. Sleep on the shelf in your closet. Replace the closet door with a curtain. Six hours after you go to sleep, have your spouse whip open the curtain, shine a flashlight in your eyes, and mumble "Sorry, wrong rack."

3. Have your next door neighbor come over each day at 6am and blow a whistle so loud that Helen Keller could hear it and shout, "Reveille, reveille, all hands heave out."

4. Put lube oil in your humidifier instead of water and set it to "High".

5. Don't watch TV except movies in the middle of the night. Also, have your family vote on which movie to watch, then show a different one.

6. Leave a lawnmower running in your living room six hours a day for proper noise level.

7. Have the paperboy give you a haircut.

8. Install a fluorescent light bulb underneath your coffee table. Lie underneath it while reading a book.

9. Have you mother-in-law write down everything she's going to do the next day and read it to you.

10. Submit a written request form to your father-in-law, asking if it's o.k. for you to leave your house before 3pm.

11. Have your neighbor collect all your mail for a month, losing every 5th item.

 12. Spend $20,000 on a satellite system for your TV, but only watch CNN and the weather channel.

13. Renovate your bathroom. Build a wall across the middle of your bathtub and move the shower head down to chest level. When you take showers, make sure you shut off the water while soaping up.

14. Buy a trash compactor and only use it once a week. Store up garbage in the other side of your bathtub.

15. Once a month take every major appliance completely apart and them put them back together.

16. Empty all the garbage bins in your house, and sweep your driveway 3 times a day, whether they need it or not.

17. " Needle gun " the aluminum siding on your house after your neighbors have gone to bed.

18. Post a menu on the refrigerator door informing your family that you are having steak for dinner. After making them wait in line for at least an hour, inform them that you are out of steak, but you have dried ham and hot dogs. Repeat daily until they no longer pay attention to the menu and just ask for hot dogs.

19. Use 18 scoops of coffee per pot and allow it to sit for 5 or 6 hours before drinking.

20. Wake up every night at midnight and have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich on stale bread, if anything. (Optional: Canned ravioli or cold soup).

21. Make up your family menu a week ahead of time without looking in your food cabinets or refrigerator.

22. When making cakes, prop up one side of the pan while it is baking. Then spread icing really thick on one side to level off the top.

23. Every so often, throw your cat into the swimming pool, shout "Man overboard, ship recovery!", run into the kitchen and sweep all the pots/pans/dishes off of the counter onto the floor, then yell at your spouse for not having the place "stowed for sea".

24. Put on the headphones from your stereo (don't plug them in). Go and stand in front of your stove. Say (to nobody in particular) "Stove manned and ready". Stand there for 3 or 4 hours. Say (once again to nobody in particular) "Stove secured". Roll up the headphone cord and put them away.

25. Do heavy physical labor all day, then stay up all night monitoring a radio tuned in between stations.

26. Set your alarm clock to go off at random times during the night. When it goes off, jump out of bed and get dressed as fast as you can, then run out into your yard and break out the garden hose.

27. In the middle of January, place a podium at the end of your driveway. Have your family stand watches at the podium, rotating at 4 hour intervals.

28. Every couple of weeks, dress up in your best clothes and go to the scummiest part of town, find the most run down, trashy bar you can, pay $10 for a beer until you are hammered, then walk home in the freezing cold.

29. Lock yourself and your family in your house for 6 weeks. then tell them that at the end of the 6th week, you're going to take them to Disneyland for " weekend liberty ". when the end of the 6th week rolls around, inform them that Disneyland has been canceled due to the fact that they need to get ready for ORSE, and that it will be another week before they can leave the house.

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Re: Do you practice Navy showers? Even at hotels?
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2024, 10:51:45 PM »
I "kind of" take navy showers at home when I wash my hair but I do it to avoid running out of hot water too soon. Very long hair, step into shower and get wet, turn it off and shampoo hair, turn it on to rinse, then off while I add conditioner and the soap up the body, on to rinse off hair and body. Done. When I don't wash hair I just take shorter showers and leave the water running while I soap up and rinse off.

But why? why??

Look, it's not like I'm truly taking Hollywood showers. I don't actually enjoy bathing that much. I'm probably in and out in 3-4 minutes. But I leave the water on. It's land. land!
Its the hair washing. It's a separate beast and demands I spend more time washing and conditioning it in warm water and woe as me if I run out of hot water before that's done. I could cut it off but I'm afraid if I tried it would struggle me.

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« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2024, 10:56:55 PM »
I "kind of" take navy showers at home when I wash my hair but I do it to avoid running out of hot water too soon. Very long hair, step into shower and get wet, turn it off and shampoo hair, turn it on to rinse, then off while I add conditioner and the soap up the body, on to rinse off hair and body. Done. When I don't wash hair I just take shorter showers and leave the water running while I soap up and rinse off.

But why? why??

Look, it's not like I'm truly taking Hollywood showers. I don't actually enjoy bathing that much. I'm probably in and out in 3-4 minutes. But I leave the water on. It's land. land!


Because:
1) it is not frugal to waste water as it costs money that could be used for other things
2) it is not environmentally conscious to waste water as it is a a limited resource.  Have you seen the Great Salt Lake recently?  Do you know the source of water for your home?
3) it is not environmentally conscious to waste water as it requires energy (carbon emissions) to a) pump it to your house perhaps many miles, b) heat it, and c) transfer and process the waste water.


Does anyone know the full range of CO2 impacts from showers?

15 minute shower - 5.67 lbs co2 (https://www.aquatell.ca/pages/how-household-water-usage-contributes-to-co2-emissions#:~:text=Showers%20and%20Baths,15%20minutes%20x%200.18%20lbs).)
3 minute shower - 1.134 lbs co2
1 minute navy shower (assume 30 second wetting and 30 second rinse) - 0.375 lbs co2

So assuming a shower a day, the difference between taking a 3 min shower and a 1 min navy shower works out to the difference between 413.91 and 137.97 lbs co2 each year.  Or to put it another way, it costs the equivalent of burning just under 14 gallons of gas (https://www.c2es.org/content/reducing-your-transportation-footprint/#:~:text=Burning%20one%20gallon%20of%20gasoline,tons%20of%20CO2%20each%20year.) each year.

It was all mostly a joke. Spartana and I both work(ed) on ships. With actual Navy showers. Sometimes 'they'* just shut the water off, about 45 seconds before making the ship-wide announcement. You hear that ominous rattle of the water draining back down to the lowest point, and you know you have about 3 seconds to get off whatever soap remains on your person. It's a frantic, unhappy sound.


*Over the course of 20 years, I've become They. And yes, I perpetuation unto the next generation the same horrors that were visited upon me.
Yes! And the rotten crew members who pull an alarm midway through the soaping up phase when you have to throw on your uniform over all the wet soapyness and run up on deck.  Pure evil I tell you!

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« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2024, 11:16:07 PM »
You brought this on yourselves….

A Few Suggestions On What To Do When You Miss Being At Sea:

1. Invite 200 of your not-so-closest friends to come over, then board up all the windows and doors to your house for 6 moths. after 6 months is up, take down the boards, and since you're on duty that day, wave at your friends and family through the front window of your home.

2. Sleep on the shelf in your closet. Replace the closet door with a curtain. Six hours after you go to sleep, have your spouse whip open the curtain, shine a flashlight in your eyes, and mumble "Sorry, wrong rack."

3. Have your next door neighbor come over each day at 6am and blow a whistle so loud that Helen Keller could hear it and shout, "Reveille, reveille, all hands heave out."

4. Put lube oil in your humidifier instead of water and set it to "High".

5. Don't watch TV except movies in the middle of the night. Also, have your family vote on which movie to watch, then show a different one.

6. Leave a lawnmower running in your living room six hours a day for proper noise level.

7. Have the paperboy give you a haircut.

8. Install a fluorescent light bulb underneath your coffee table. Lie underneath it while reading a book.

9. Have you mother-in-law write down everything she's going to do the next day and read it to you.

10. Submit a written request form to your father-in-law, asking if it's o.k. for you to leave your house before 3pm.

11. Have your neighbor collect all your mail for a month, losing every 5th item.

 12. Spend $20,000 on a satellite system for your TV, but only watch CNN and the weather channel.

13. Renovate your bathroom. Build a wall across the middle of your bathtub and move the shower head down to chest level. When you take showers, make sure you shut off the water while soaping up.

14. Buy a trash compactor and only use it once a week. Store up garbage in the other side of your bathtub.

15. Once a month take every major appliance completely apart and them put them back together.

16. Empty all the garbage bins in your house, and sweep your driveway 3 times a day, whether they need it or not.

17. " Needle gun " the aluminum siding on your house after your neighbors have gone to bed.

18. Post a menu on the refrigerator door informing your family that you are having steak for dinner. After making them wait in line for at least an hour, inform them that you are out of steak, but you have dried ham and hot dogs. Repeat daily until they no longer pay attention to the menu and just ask for hot dogs.

19. Use 18 scoops of coffee per pot and allow it to sit for 5 or 6 hours before drinking.

20. Wake up every night at midnight and have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich on stale bread, if anything. (Optional: Canned ravioli or cold soup).

21. Make up your family menu a week ahead of time without looking in your food cabinets or refrigerator.

22. When making cakes, prop up one side of the pan while it is baking. Then spread icing really thick on one side to level off the top.

23. Every so often, throw your cat into the swimming pool, shout "Man overboard, ship recovery!", run into the kitchen and sweep all the pots/pans/dishes off of the counter onto the floor, then yell at your spouse for not having the place "stowed for sea".

24. Put on the headphones from your stereo (don't plug them in). Go and stand in front of your stove. Say (to nobody in particular) "Stove manned and ready". Stand there for 3 or 4 hours. Say (once again to nobody in particular) "Stove secured". Roll up the headphone cord and put them away.

25. Do heavy physical labor all day, then stay up all night monitoring a radio tuned in between stations.

26. Set your alarm clock to go off at random times during the night. When it goes off, jump out of bed and get dressed as fast as you can, then run out into your yard and break out the garden hose.

27. In the middle of January, place a podium at the end of your driveway. Have your family stand watches at the podium, rotating at 4 hour intervals.

28. Every couple of weeks, dress up in your best clothes and go to the scummiest part of town, find the most run down, trashy bar you can, pay $10 for a beer until you are hammered, then walk home in the freezing cold.

29. Lock yourself and your family in your house for 6 weeks. then tell them that at the end of the 6th week, you're going to take them to Disneyland for " weekend liberty ". when the end of the 6th week rolls around, inform them that Disneyland has been canceled due to the fact that they need to get ready for ORSE, and that it will be another week before they can leave the house.
OMG! This is hilarious - and oh so true.  Number 2 and 17 were the bane of my existence. Especially when number 2 happened every 4 hours all night long every single day! Add to that the noise your "neighbor" (who is approx 2 feet away from you along with the other neighbors) made at midnight or 4 am getting up and the how every "new neighbor" spend much of their time throwing up loudly.  But the needle guns are the worse. I think @Just Joe and @Nords would appreciate these thoughts ;-).

To address the OP: Yeah I'm an environmental whacko so limit my water usage when I can. I even hand wash dishes and put buckets in all my sinks to catch and reuse my grey water
« Last Edit: November 12, 2024, 11:23:50 PM by spartana »

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Re: Do you practice Navy showers? Even at hotels?
« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2024, 10:12:44 AM »
But the needle guns are the worse. I think @Just Joe and @Nords would appreciate these thoughts ;-).
Yeah, thanks for the flashbacks memories.

My low point was a night as inport Ship's Duty Officer on one submarine where the shipyard was working 24/7 shifts to add gear to our Sonar Shack (literally a two feet above my top rack) and grinding down a metal fitting to fit flush with the Sonar deck.  The grinding wheel was loud but I was tired, and I actually slept through the noise for an hour.  I woke up when the grinder stopped.

These "simulate sea duty at home" lists have been floating around for years, and in the 1980s they were passed around by hand. 

Now that we have the Web, we can share them as memes.

For those laying awake at night wondering about the ORSE initialism:  it stands for Operational Reactor Safeguards Exam, the evolution where a team comes aboard your nuclear-powered submarine or aircraft carrier for 2-3 days to inspect all of your reactor records and watch you conduct engineering training.  I've done at least a dozen of them during my career (usually with grades of Above Average or Average) and I've even done one at a submarine nuclear training command. 

In the submarine force we did them annually (or more frequently).  The training (and cleaning) to prepare for the inspection is far worse than the actual evolution.  I actually preferred the "Surprise ORSE" where you were given 48 hours' advance notice and had no time for more than wiping up the worst of the dirt and running a couple of drill sets.

Oh fuck no. Not at home. I get got enough of that on the ship my boats.
Sam summarizes this more eloquently than I ever could. 

I occasionally miss some parts of sea duty:  being the Surfaced Officer Of the Deck who got to help open the upper bridge hatch after surfacing at 3 AM, and that first glimpse of an awesomely bright Milky Way with no other light pollution.  Then running surfaced (still 50 miles from land) sipping a hot cup of coffee on the bridge and enjoying our phosphorescent wake astern while the lights of Oahu gradually appeared over the horizon.  I even used to get submarine pay & sea pay for the privilege of that experience. 

But there's good news!  It turns out that I can enjoy that view on a cruise ship, too.  I have to give them money for this setup, but it's worth not enduring all of the sucky parts I used to live through for my sea-duty memories.  These days my life energy is worth far more than ~$800/month.

Submarine shipboard water usage in the 1980s/90s used to be considered sustainable at 22 gallons per person per day.  That includes all galley water use (keeping the cooks, the food, and the gear clean enough to minimize diseases) and laundry (optional) along with drinking.

Submarines used to make their fresh water (from sea water) by vapor compression or by distillation.  (Today they're shifting to reverse osmosis, which is much more reliable.)  When the electric still or the steam-fed evaporator broke a piece of its gear (which happened at least monthly) then the showers and laundry were secured.  It usually took at least a day to repair but could take 2-3 days of 24/7 attention. 

During the outage, even taking a birdbath at a sink was frowned on.  Experienced crew used to keep a pack of baby wipes for extreme outages of 4-5 days.  (It was usually hidden in our bunks next to our personal backup roll of toilet paper, but that's a different deprivation emergency.)  The baby wipes were "unscented" (so that shipmates didn't have to put up with perfume stench) but everyone could still tell that you were temporarily no longer sweaty & crusty.

(In case you're now laying awake at night with a new question, submarines use sea water to flush the toilets.  But I digress again.)

When we went to sea for periods of less than 10 days, we wouldn't even open the laundry.  The crew was expected to bring enough underwear and do their next load of laundry at home.

Submarines maintain their atmosphere with a chemical that can smell like dead fish (monoethanolamine) and we're frequently exposed to diesel fuel (from running the diesel generator for drills or maintenance) along with various exotic marine hydraulic oils.  When I came home from my boats, my spouse had me undress in the garage and put that laundry straight into the washing machine or a soaking bucket.

Today I feel zero guilt about wallowing in hotel showers like a water buffalo.  I only shut off the water if it gets in the way of shampooing or soaping.

To address the OP: Yeah I'm an environmental whacko so limit my water usage when I can. I even hand wash dishes and put buckets in all my sinks to catch and reuse my grey water
Oh hold my beer.

These days I surf at least 2-3 times per week, so I soak in salt water for 90-120 minutes and then rinse off at the beach shower.  In between surf sessions, if I get exceptionally grimy with yardwork then I'll hose off in the side yard with a washcloth and finish indoors with a birdbath.  Our utility sink in our garage gets more use than our bathroom shower.

My spouse and I are empty nesters, so there's not a lot of dishwashing or laundry at our house... maybe once a week for the former and twice a month for the latter.  (Extra dishes and extra clothing are cheap.)  It's Hawaii so our main wardrobe is surf shorts & tank tops.  We use EnergyStar appliances, cold water, and mostly a drying rack.  It's been decades since my last drycleaning bill.

Most homes in Hawaii use solar water heaters, and ours produces more hot water than we can use.  (I've shut off its electric backup heaters because... Hawaii.)  We only irrigate our yard & fruit trees during the hot months (April-October) and we get enough rain in the winter to stop using our sprinklers.  Our water bill is usually $50/month during winter and $100/month during summer.  Our sewage bill is over $100/month all year long (and rising rapidly as Oahu's sewage infrastructure wears out), so water consumption is a minor expense.

With rooftop photovoltaic panels, we make more energy than we can use.  Our electric bill is $28/month for grid connection fees, but we've been net producers since 2007.

We no longer wash our cars (used Nissan Leafs), unless a neighborhood kid offers to do it for money.  (That's a teachable moment about financial independence.)  If it's raining we move them into the driveway for a rinse and then we wipe them off.  But I'd prefer to pay a kid to do that too.

(Electric vehicles are great for two retirees on a 30x40-mile island, too.  We recharge them from our PV array and save another $800-$1000 per year on gasoline.)

Over the years we've talked about installing rain barrels, but we haven't had the need to do so.  Most of our gutter downspouts & rain chains irrigate the yard anyway.

Someday I'm going to install a roof-mounted solar-powered vapor compression still.  Depending on the ambient humidity they supply about 20-40 gallons of drinking water per day.  I'm keeping an eye on the tech, and there are Oahu retailers selling them, but the noise of the compressor & fans has been a consumer concern.  If we go through a sustained drought then we'd buy one and live with the noise.

We've been through a 1980s multi-year drought (at a California duty station) where you did not run your irrigation sprinklers or wash your car.  At the worst part of the drought you only flushed your toilet a couple times per day. 

Back then the utility water became expensive enough for people to install gray-water irrigation systems.  They used a holding tank from the sink with a settling/filtration system to pump a trickle flow through hoses under the yard's ground cover (to minimize bacterial exposure from spraying it).

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Re: Do you practice Navy showers? Even at hotels?
« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2024, 10:48:32 AM »
I don't think it would be possible to wash my thick, curly, long hair in that method. The water wouldn't even penetrate at those intervals. I could probably do it between hair-washing days, but honestly I shower pretty fast already and the benefit would be so minimal.

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« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2024, 11:17:37 AM »
But the needle guns are the worse. I think @Just Joe and @Nords would appreciate these thoughts ;-).
Yeah, thanks for the flashbacks memories.

...


My worst nights at sea were breaking several feet of polar pack ice.  The noise and vibration in the bow (where all the accommodation was located) was beyond your wildest imagination.  The vessel would either crash through the ice, grind it along the hull (removing paint along the way) or actually ride up on top of the ice then break through with a tremendous crash, then grind and scrape.  Horrific.

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« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2024, 05:20:40 PM »
But the needle guns are the worse. I think @Just Joe and @Nords would appreciate these thoughts ;-).
Yeah, thanks for the flashbacks memories.

...


My worst nights at sea were breaking several feet of polar pack ice.  The noise and vibration in the bow (where all the accommodation was located) was beyond your wildest imagination.  The vessel would either crash through the ice, grind it along the hull (removing paint along the way) or actually ride up on top of the ice then break through with a tremendous crash, then grind and scrape.  Horrific.
Yeah that can be bad but when you are in it for 3 months or longer like sailor sam and I've been (Arctic patrols) it actually gets kind of soothing ....eventually.

Also like @Nords pointed out, you get so use to all the noise on a ship or boat that the only time you wake up is when its quiet. Thats when us ships engineers start panicking
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Re: Do you practice Navy showers? Even at hotels?
« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2024, 05:28:43 PM »
But the needle guns are the worse. I think @Just Joe and @Nords would appreciate these thoughts ;-).
Yeah, thanks for the flashbacks memories.

My low point was a night as inport Ship's Duty Officer on one submarine where the shipyard was working 24/7 shifts to add gear to our Sonar Shack (literally a two feet above my top rack) and grinding down a metal fitting to fit flush with the Sonar deck.  The grinding wheel was loud but I was tired, and I actually slept through the noise for an hour.  I woke up when the grinder stopped.

These "simulate sea duty at home" lists have been floating around for years, and in the 1980s they were passed around by hand. 

Now that we have the Web, we can share them as memes.

For those laying awake at night wondering about the ORSE initialism:  it stands for Operational Reactor Safeguards Exam, the evolution where a team comes aboard your nuclear-powered submarine or aircraft carrier for 2-3 days to inspect all of your reactor records and watch you conduct engineering training.  I've done at least a dozen of them during my career (usually with grades of Above Average or Average) and I've even done one at a submarine nuclear training command. 

In the submarine force we did them annually (or more frequently).  The training (and cleaning) to prepare for the inspection is far worse than the actual evolution.  I actually preferred the "Surprise ORSE" where you were given 48 hours' advance notice and had no time for more than wiping up the worst of the dirt and running a couple of drill sets.

Oh fuck no. Not at home. I get got enough of that on the ship my boats.
Sam summarizes this more eloquently than I ever could. 

I occasionally miss some parts of sea duty:  being the Surfaced Officer Of the Deck who got to help open the upper bridge hatch after surfacing at 3 AM, and that first glimpse of an awesomely bright Milky Way with no other light pollution.  Then running surfaced (still 50 miles from land) sipping a hot cup of coffee on the bridge and enjoying our phosphorescent wake astern while the lights of Oahu gradually appeared over the horizon.  I even used to get submarine pay & sea pay for the privilege of that experience. 

But there's good news!  It turns out that I can enjoy that view on a cruise ship, too.  I have to give them money for this setup, but it's worth not enduring all of the sucky parts I used to live through for my sea-duty memories.  These days my life energy is worth far more than ~$800/month.

Submarine shipboard water usage in the 1980s/90s used to be considered sustainable at 22 gallons per person per day.  That includes all galley water use (keeping the cooks, the food, and the gear clean enough to minimize diseases) and laundry (optional) along with drinking.

Submarines used to make their fresh water (from sea water) by vapor compression or by distillation.  (Today they're shifting to reverse osmosis, which is much more reliable.)  When the electric still or the steam-fed evaporator broke a piece of its gear (which happened at least monthly) then the showers and laundry were secured.  It usually took at least a day to repair but could take 2-3 days of 24/7 attention. 

During the outage, even taking a birdbath at a sink was frowned on.  Experienced crew used to keep a pack of baby wipes for extreme outages of 4-5 days.  (It was usually hidden in our bunks next to our personal backup roll of toilet paper, but that's a different deprivation emergency.)  The baby wipes were "unscented" (so that shipmates didn't have to put up with perfume stench) but everyone could still tell that you were temporarily no longer sweaty & crusty.

(In case you're now laying awake at night with a new question, submarines use sea water to flush the toilets.  But I digress again.)

When we went to sea for periods of less than 10 days, we wouldn't even open the laundry.  The crew was expected to bring enough underwear and do their next load of laundry at home.

Submarines maintain their atmosphere with a chemical that can smell like dead fish (monoethanolamine) and we're frequently exposed to diesel fuel (from running the diesel generator for drills or maintenance) along with various exotic marine hydraulic oils.  When I came home from my boats, my spouse had me undress in the garage and put that laundry straight into the washing machine or a soaking bucket.

Today I feel zero guilt about wallowing in hotel showers like a water buffalo.  I only shut off the water if it gets in the way of shampooing or soaping.

To address the OP: Yeah I'm an environmental whacko so limit my water usage when I can. I even hand wash dishes and put buckets in all my sinks to catch and reuse my grey water
Oh hold my beer.

These days I surf at least 2-3 times per week, so I soak in salt water for 90-120 minutes and then rinse off at the beach shower.  In between surf sessions, if I get exceptionally grimy with yardwork then I'll hose off in the side yard with a washcloth and finish indoors with a birdbath.  Our utility sink in our garage gets more use than our bathroom shower.

My spouse and I are empty nesters, so there's not a lot of dishwashing or laundry at our house... maybe once a week for the former and twice a month for the latter.  (Extra dishes and extra clothing are cheap.)  It's Hawaii so our main wardrobe is surf shorts & tank tops.  We use EnergyStar appliances, cold water, and mostly a drying rack.  It's been decades since my last drycleaning bill.

Most homes in Hawaii use solar water heaters, and ours produces more hot water than we can use.  (I've shut off its electric backup heaters because... Hawaii.)  We only irrigate our yard & fruit trees during the hot months (April-October) and we get enough rain in the winter to stop using our sprinklers.  Our water bill is usually $50/month during winter and $100/month during summer.  Our sewage bill is over $100/month all year long (and rising rapidly as Oahu's sewage infrastructure wears out), so water consumption is a minor expense.

With rooftop photovoltaic panels, we make more energy than we can use.  Our electric bill is $28/month for grid connection fees, but we've been net producers since 2007.

We no longer wash our cars (used Nissan Leafs), unless a neighborhood kid offers to do it for money.  (That's a teachable moment about financial independence.)  If it's raining we move them into the driveway for a rinse and then we wipe them off.  But I'd prefer to pay a kid to do that too.

(Electric vehicles are great for two retirees on a 30x40-mile island, too.  We recharge them from our PV array and save another $800-$1000 per year on gasoline.)

Over the years we've talked about installing rain barrels, but we haven't had the need to do so.  Most of our gutter downspouts & rain chains irrigate the yard anyway.

Someday I'm going to install a roof-mounted solar-powered vapor compression still.  Depending on the ambient humidity they supply about 20-40 gallons of drinking water per day.  I'm keeping an eye on the tech, and there are Oahu retailers selling them, but the noise of the compressor & fans has been a consumer concern.  If we go through a sustained drought then we'd buy one and live with the noise.

We've been through a 1980s multi-year drought (at a California duty station) where you did not run your irrigation sprinklers or wash your car.  At the worst part of the drought you only flushed your toilet a couple times per day. 

Back then the utility water became expensive enough for people to install gray-water irrigation systems.  They used a holding tank from the sink with a settling/filtration system to pump a trickle flow through hoses under the yard's ground cover (to minimize bacterial exposure from spraying it).
BF is a "surfer dude" too in the cold waters off Calif and hits the ice cold beach showers after surfing to rinse off most days. Then does the long hot showers at home later. I tell him he's killing off the earth and he laughs and uses more water lol.  Actually he's pretty good about it but no where near my level - which is probably extreme to most people. Living the bucket life!

Of course you're making me miss my time at sea but then I always miss my time at sea. But luxury cruises aren't for me so stick to kayaking. Followed by a navy shower ;-).

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Re: Do you practice Navy showers? Even at hotels?
« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2024, 04:35:02 AM »
Of course you're making me miss my time at sea but then I always miss my time at sea. But luxury cruises aren't for me so stick to kayaking. Followed by a navy shower ;-).
Oahu is so full of light pollution that it’s almost impossible to see the Milky Way.  There might be a few places way out in Kaneohe, but the only other place I’ve seen it in Hawaii is inside Maui’s Haleakala Crater.

If we were going to cruise these days, it’d be when our granddaughter is old enough to appreciate a Disney experience without having to go to Aulani or Disneyland.  She turns five years old in January so we probably have another 2-3 years before she realizes what she could do.

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Re: Do you practice Navy showers? Even at hotels?
« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2024, 07:48:40 AM »
You brought this on yourselves….

A Few Suggestions On What To Do When You Miss Being At Sea:

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@Sailor Sam Thanks for this, I laughed reading it and keep laughing when I think of it. We had our own specific versions of things that sound absolutely ridiculous to outsiders.

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« Reply #44 on: November 14, 2024, 08:18:39 AM »
Of course you're making me miss my time at sea but then I always miss my time at sea. But luxury cruises aren't for me so stick to kayaking. Followed by a navy shower ;-).
Oahu is so full of light pollution that it’s almost impossible to see the Milky Way.  There might be a few places way out in Kaneohe, but the only other place I’ve seen it in Hawaii is inside Maui’s Haleakala Crater.

If we were going to cruise these days, it’d be when our granddaughter is old enough to appreciate a Disney experience without having to go to Aulani or Disneyland.  She turns five years old in January so we probably have another 2-3 years before she realizes what she could do.
I'm more of a "camp in the back of my truck in the desert to see the night sky" type (where Navy showers rule!) but I think if I were on a cruise (never been) and I could go lay on deck to see some spectacular night sky viewing it would be worth it. Minus all the people. That's what I miss about being at sea the most.

I would be taking longer showers for sure on a cruise ship because as you said most of my sea experience was without the ability to make potable water and once you were out, you were out. Soooooo many no shower days (weeks?) until we got back into a port or snagged a passing ship to refill our water tanks (and usually fuel tanks and food). Fun times! ...er...kind of. Plus we could at least jump into the ocean to clean up a bit. Guess you can't do that on a sub ;-)..
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« Reply #45 on: November 14, 2024, 10:02:09 AM »
We’ve got ROs now. Two of em! So much better than evaporators on the gennies. We don’t even have to brominate it anymore. Just send it through the micron filters, pass it through a UV system. It’s actually really tasty!

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« Reply #46 on: November 14, 2024, 11:32:43 AM »
I try to enjoy a long (for me) hot shower whenever I can. Living a lifestyle where it's not always possible, makes you appreciate it more.

By long I mean ~7-10 minutes.

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« Reply #47 on: November 14, 2024, 01:31:54 PM »
You brought this on yourselves….

A Few Suggestions On What To Do When You Miss Being At Sea:

1. Invite 200 of your not-so-closest friends to come over, then board up all the windows and doors to your house for 6 moths. after 6 months is up, take down the boards, and since you're on duty that day, wave at your friends and family through the front window of your home.

2. Sleep on the shelf in your closet. Replace the closet door with a curtain. Six hours after you go to sleep, have your spouse whip open the curtain, shine a flashlight in your eyes, and mumble "Sorry, wrong rack."

3. Have your next door neighbor come over each day at 6am and blow a whistle so loud that Helen Keller could hear it and shout, "Reveille, reveille, all hands heave out."

4. Put lube oil in your humidifier instead of water and set it to "High".

5. Don't watch TV except movies in the middle of the night. Also, have your family vote on which movie to watch, then show a different one.

6. Leave a lawnmower running in your living room six hours a day for proper noise level.

7. Have the paperboy give you a haircut.

8. Install a fluorescent light bulb underneath your coffee table. Lie underneath it while reading a book.

9. Have you mother-in-law write down everything she's going to do the next day and read it to you.

10. Submit a written request form to your father-in-law, asking if it's o.k. for you to leave your house before 3pm.

11. Have your neighbor collect all your mail for a month, losing every 5th item.

 12. Spend $20,000 on a satellite system for your TV, but only watch CNN and the weather channel.

13. Renovate your bathroom. Build a wall across the middle of your bathtub and move the shower head down to chest level. When you take showers, make sure you shut off the water while soaping up.

14. Buy a trash compactor and only use it once a week. Store up garbage in the other side of your bathtub.

15. Once a month take every major appliance completely apart and them put them back together.

16. Empty all the garbage bins in your house, and sweep your driveway 3 times a day, whether they need it or not.

17. " Needle gun " the aluminum siding on your house after your neighbors have gone to bed.

18. Post a menu on the refrigerator door informing your family that you are having steak for dinner. After making them wait in line for at least an hour, inform them that you are out of steak, but you have dried ham and hot dogs. Repeat daily until they no longer pay attention to the menu and just ask for hot dogs.

19. Use 18 scoops of coffee per pot and allow it to sit for 5 or 6 hours before drinking.

20. Wake up every night at midnight and have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich on stale bread, if anything. (Optional: Canned ravioli or cold soup).

21. Make up your family menu a week ahead of time without looking in your food cabinets or refrigerator.

22. When making cakes, prop up one side of the pan while it is baking. Then spread icing really thick on one side to level off the top.

23. Every so often, throw your cat into the swimming pool, shout "Man overboard, ship recovery!", run into the kitchen and sweep all the pots/pans/dishes off of the counter onto the floor, then yell at your spouse for not having the place "stowed for sea".

24. Put on the headphones from your stereo (don't plug them in). Go and stand in front of your stove. Say (to nobody in particular) "Stove manned and ready". Stand there for 3 or 4 hours. Say (once again to nobody in particular) "Stove secured". Roll up the headphone cord and put them away.

25. Do heavy physical labor all day, then stay up all night monitoring a radio tuned in between stations.

26. Set your alarm clock to go off at random times during the night. When it goes off, jump out of bed and get dressed as fast as you can, then run out into your yard and break out the garden hose.

27. In the middle of January, place a podium at the end of your driveway. Have your family stand watches at the podium, rotating at 4 hour intervals.

28. Every couple of weeks, dress up in your best clothes and go to the scummiest part of town, find the most run down, trashy bar you can, pay $10 for a beer until you are hammered, then walk home in the freezing cold.

29. Lock yourself and your family in your house for 6 weeks. then tell them that at the end of the 6th week, you're going to take them to Disneyland for " weekend liberty ". when the end of the 6th week rolls around, inform them that Disneyland has been canceled due to the fact that they need to get ready for ORSE, and that it will be another week before they can leave the house.
OMG! This is hilarious - and oh so true.  Number 2 and 17 were the bane of my existence. Especially when number 2 happened every 4 hours all night long every single day! Add to that the noise your "neighbor" (who is approx 2 feet away from you along with the other neighbors) made at midnight or 4 am getting up and the how every "new neighbor" spend much of their time throwing up loudly.  But the needle guns are the worse. I think @Just Joe and @Nords would appreciate these thoughts ;-).

To address the OP: Yeah I'm an environmental whacko so limit my water usage when I can. I even hand wash dishes and put buckets in all my sinks to catch and reuse my grey water

Oh, this is a great list. THANKS for posting it @Sailor Sam!

I do miss being at sea sometimes. Then I realize I want to be a VIP spectator at sea on a Navy ship for about 24-48 hours. I don't miss the bathrooms, the berthing area, the middle of night watches (and in general the lost sleep), being away from home for too long, or the ~$12K a year salary (1990s money).

I do take "Navy showers". I really need to shower and wash my hair (bar soap) every 2-3 days unless a work day or DIY project gets me really dirty. In between I'll often visit the shower for a very quick soap and rinse of all the stinky bits in the morning before getting dressed

Shower: 8-10 minutes
Navy shower: 3-4 minutes (Civilian version)
Hotel shower: a long time
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Re: Do you practice Navy showers? Even at hotels?
« Reply #48 on: November 14, 2024, 06:07:11 PM »
We’ve got ROs now. Two of em! So much better than evaporators on the gennies. We don’t even have to brominate it anymore. Just send it through the micron filters, pass it through a UV system. It’s actually really tasty!
That’s good to know.  Navy aircraft carriers have made the switch and if the submarine force is doing it too, then it’s really considered reliable.

On Oahu, our Honouliuli sewage treatment plant has been running a demonstration project to process liquid sewage (after the settling tank) through RO filtration for golf-course irrigation.  They’ve been at it for well over a decade, and they could hypothetically turn it into potable water to ease the demand on Oahu’s aquifer, but we need a better marketing campaign than “Toilet To Tap!”

Plus we could at least jump into the ocean to clean up a bit. Guess you can't do that on a sub ;-)..
Swim call!  Usually on a weapons range (like the AUTEC range near the Bahamas), when we’re in between evolutions and killing time for a few hours.

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Re: Do you practice Navy showers? Even at hotels?
« Reply #49 on: November 14, 2024, 07:10:16 PM »
I loosely time my showers, and have settled in at just under three minutes once outdoor temperatures drop below 60. Summer showers are a bit longer as I shower after running and spend an extra minute or so cranking the water temperature down to almost full cold to cool off a bit. Same while traveling.

I have short hair, that really speeds things up I think.