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« on: March 28, 2013, 08:59:49 AM »
Has anyone been implementing any of the protocol from Tim Ferriss' 4 Hour Body?

I've just started the following, which is the base thing he recommends everyone do:

30 grams of protein within 30 minutes of waking. (protein powder and water for me so far)
500 ml ice water first thing in the morning

Kettlebell swings 30-50 reps 3 times per week.

Replace milk in coffee (wasn't drinking milk before) with cinnamon - regulates insulin spikes from meals

Zinc / Magnesium before sleep.



A few days in.. I have noticed the zinc / magnesium is making me sleep like the dead, waking regular and very refreshed. This is from someone who normally sleeps excellently.. I'm actually feeling a difference.

The ice water definitely makes me feel kickstarted / hydrated in the morning. I'll report back more as time passes.

Anyone else shown positive results from this?

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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2013, 09:48:44 AM »
So you just do 30-50 kb swings and then call it a day? This takes you, what, 90 seconds, max?

I haven't read The 4-Hour Body except to browse a few parts when friends were reading it, it seems to have some interesting hot tips.

I'd just stress that there really are no free lunches in fitness. Supplements and tricks are great, and I personally take 2500mg of niacin and shitloads of weird powders and stuff to tweak my performance. However, research, experience, and common sense seem to suggest:

A balanced diet is important:

Eat a ton of fruits and vegetables from as many varieties of species, cuisines, cooking methods and ranges of colour as possible, all from the best source you can afford or get. Local organic is best, then organic, then straight-up supermarket poison vegetables. This will insure that you cover many of the obscure deficiencies that may be ruining your performance. Eat your leafy greens for calcium, magnesium, folate, betaine and all that stuff; eat lots of sulfurous veggies for their obscure magical benefits; and eat lots of colourful veggies for their awesome carotenoids and betalains.

Eat a bit of meat. Source is very important for two reasons: nutritionally and morally. If you are a thinking person who is properly educated about the sapient or sentient nature of animals, there are very few reasons why you should willingly allow animals to be cruelly treated and killed in your name. Therefore, if you must eat meat, which many people do due to dietary constraints or activity requirements, then you ought to make sure that that meat lives well and doesn't suffer or destroy the environment. Nutritionally, it seems like grass-fed beef has some benefits and free-range chicken may also be healthier. This makes sense intuitively because eating sick animals will probably tend to make you sick. So don't eat sick animals. Also, don't eat too much animals because they're very demanding on the environment and the wallet and some studies say your health.

Eat some grain, dairy, and similar products sometimes if you want. The bulk of your diet should be good, varied, organic vegetables. Be a steward to your body and the planet because you only have one of each.

Calories are important. If you are fat, you should eat fewer calories than you expend until you are no longer fat. There is simply no other way to reliably lose weight, even if you eat all the fucking magnesium and organosulfate xenthocarotenoids in the world.

Exercise is important. Lift some weights using some of the totally excellent resources on the internet to find a qualified trainer. Go for a run, row, bike ride, or swim fairly regularly and break a sweat, and choose to use your muscles instead of the stored solar energy of the planet (aka fossil fuels) when it makes sense to do so - I mean, take the goddamn elevator.

Thinking is important. An increasing body of evidence shows that constantly learning and challenging your mind has many positive health benefits. Stay away from passive entertainment, learn to make your own cheese, yogurt, honey, candles, whatever. Learn Russian, just because. Learn new sports and go on adventures.

If you eat well, eat enough, exercise often and well, and think often, then you will probably be a healthy, happy, interesting individual who is part of the solution to whatever problems may exist in the world. All of this stuff is also very cheap, sustainable, and seems to generate happiness for the people around you.
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« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2013, 09:54:06 AM »
If you eat well, eat enough, exercise often and well, and think often, then you will probably be a healthy, happy, interesting individual who is part of the solution to whatever problems may exist in the world.

I kind of want this on a t-shirt.

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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2013, 12:26:04 PM »
I loved your post entirely, as it speaks common sense, although I would throw caution to this statement:
Local organic is best, then organic, then straight-up supermarket poison vegetables.
It largely depends where you live and the time of year, which will dictate what is best for you. Most peer reviewed studies have not concluded that organic products are either "healthier" (aka better nutrients) or "less poisonous" (organic fertilizers/pesticides can also be dangerous), with the current agreement being that regular and organic products are about the same (with some small exceptions). I live in a climate that has winter 6 months a year, so while eating locally typically ensures that products were picked closer to them becoming ripe (since less shipping is involved), the variety of vegetables is quite limited based on the time of year. The best vegetables nutritionally are usually frozen or canned (low sodium), since they are allowed to fully ripen and are them promptly preserved, and this can be quite important if you aren't in a place where mother nature is trying to freeze you to death half of the year :)

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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2013, 03:42:56 PM »
Has anyone been implementing any of the protocol from Tim Ferriss' 4 Hour Body?

Cold showers before bed helped me with sleep.

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I've just started the following, which is the base thing he recommends everyone do:

30 grams of protein within 30 minutes of waking. (protein powder and water for me so far)
500 ml ice water first thing in the morning

Nope, I don't eat breakfast.

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Kettlebell swings 30-50 reps 3 times per week.

This is a great way to introduce a complete beginner to exercise in general, but almost everyone on the planet would quickly progress past the initial benefits pretty quickly.  I personally am doing Jim Wendler's 531, since I love getting big and strong.

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Replace milk in coffee (wasn't drinking milk before) with cinnamon - regulates insulin spikes from meals

Meh, minor effect.

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Zinc / Magnesium before sleep.

Add vitamin b6, and you have ZMA, a popular sleep aid/testosterone booster (if you're zinc deficient already, I don't think it has much effect if you are not).  It also gives you super weird dreams, have you had that yet?

His diet routine from the book is pretty good as well.  It's set up along the same lines as a CKD, which he also mentions in the book as being the only other diet that has gotten him to super lean bodyfat levels.  He uses the popular weight-loss coach technique of not really prescribing a calorie limit, and instead tells you to eat foods that fill you up quickly, so you naturally don't eat a lot of calories.  Since it's not integrated with training, like Lyle McDonald's UD2.0 or CKD, it won't be as effective as those routines, but as a general eating routine it's not bad.

He uses the industry standard misleading pictures to promote his methods, if I remember correctly.

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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2013, 09:11:14 PM »
I read the first 100 pages or so.

I was skeptical about the name-dropping backstage at the concert where someone found him in the bathroom stall doing... eh, I won't spoil the punchline.  When he found it necessary to describe his dates at restaurants where he weighs his food (in front of his date and potential life partner, no less) then I began to question whether I was reading for scientific double-blind controlled peer-reviewed research... or for entertainment.  Or possibly from "The Onion".

When he described the process of weighing his fecal output, I returned the book to the library.  And washed my hands.

"Ladies, it's a mystery to me why he's still single."

As for his advice, I'm impressed with his ability to make people happy while selling books.  Sleep good, exercise, don't eat crap:  duh.  Add a bunch of details that you must do or your body will spontaneously combust (slightly exaggerated for hyperbolic effect):  brilliant marketing and very effective at getting people to pay attention to their actions. 

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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2013, 07:14:09 AM »
Nords, I burst out laughing at "and I washed my hands."  I hope you will do more book reviews for us!

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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2013, 01:30:41 PM »
The "Ladies, it's a mystery to me why he's still single." is what got me. 

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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2013, 02:17:11 PM »
So you just do 30-50 kb swings and then call it a day? This takes you, what, 90 seconds, max?

If you eat well, eat enough, exercise often and well, and think often, then you will probably be a healthy, happy, interesting individual who is part of the solution to whatever problems may exist in the world. All of this stuff is also very cheap, sustainable, and seems to generate happiness for the people around you.

Like the post.

I already do most of those things. I read over 100 books a year, participate in a lot of activities, eat paleo 80% of the time (I cheat sometimes), but mostly looking for the fitness tips.

Kettlebells are fun and I really like them. I do more swings usually than the 'min' requirement that are recommended in the book. I want to be able to do about 200 a day before I increase my weight load.

Part of it is getting into the routine. I've found that the ice water in the morning wakes / hydrates me really well, the protein keeps my hunger on an even keel until breakfast, lunch, dinner. So far the cinnamon in a coffee (seems anyways, I'm aware of possible placebo effect) so stabilize hunger in between means. I drink a lot of coffee at work.

Was just curious what other people have tried and the results if any.

Re: fecal weighing, yeah Tim Ferriss does all kinds of crazy stuff to find results, but I don't mind that so much. I'm results oriented.. so I'm taking the Bruce Lee approach of “Absorb what is useful, Discard what is not, Add what is uniquely your own.”

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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2013, 02:26:08 PM »

Add vitamin b6, and you have ZMA, a popular sleep aid/testosterone booster (if you're zinc deficient already, I don't think it has much effect if you are not).  It also gives you super weird dreams, have you had that yet?

His diet routine from the book is pretty good as well.  It's set up along the same lines as a CKD, which he also mentions in the book as being the only other diet that has gotten him to super lean bodyfat levels.  He uses the popular weight-loss coach technique of not really prescribing a calorie limit, and instead tells you to eat foods that fill you up quickly, so you naturally don't eat a lot of calories.  Since it's not integrated with training, like Lyle McDonald's UD2.0 or CKD, it won't be as effective as those routines, but as a general eating routine it's not bad.

He uses the industry standard misleading pictures to promote his methods, if I remember correctly.

I'm not in amazing shape, so anything that works on the routine of getting me starting / building the correct habits is great as well.

Haven't heard of the ZMA, but always appreciate more information. Good to know. Haven't had super weird dreams yet.. I normally have pretty strong dreams / lucid dreams. I trained myself in lucid dreaming for awhile. I've found since starting to take the zinc / magnesium I'm having a super black 100% dreamless sleep. Like being dead for 7 hours and waking up totally refreshed. As I mentioned before.. I sleep really well, enviably well even, but this is like crazy turbo-charged sleep. It's odd, but cool.

I might be experimenting with provigil in the coming months as well, we'll see how that goes. If it works as nice as bulletproof coffee I'm pretty game.

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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2013, 02:28:52 PM »
Honestly, his book is better than a lot of the garbage that's out there.  But people who are into weight training and nutrition usually just discount the garbage, and so everything that's just basic knowledge or advice, like his diet or his "just get off your ass and do some exercise" kettlebell routine, is shuffled to the bottom, and really involved stuff like contest prep or intricate diets rise to the top.  Since most Americans don't do ANY exercise at all, they'll improve their lives by leaps and bounds just by reading his book and doing the stuff in it.  But the people that talk about it and analyze it on the internet usually see that there's nothign special about the things he says, especially his "holy shit these are amazing" supplements that don't really do much, and discount the entire thing.  But really, his advice is enough to drastically improve the lives of most people.

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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2013, 02:34:08 PM »
Haven't heard of the ZMA, but always appreciate more information. Good to know. Haven't had super weird dreams yet.. I normally have pretty strong dreams / lucid dreams. I trained myself in lucid dreaming for awhile. I've found since starting to take the zinc / magnesium I'm having a super black 100% dreamless sleep. Like being dead for 7 hours and waking up totally refreshed. As I mentioned before.. I sleep really well, enviably well even, but this is like crazy turbo-charged sleep. It's odd, but cool.

I think ZMA is just a trade name patented by Conte, from Balco Labs (of "The Clear" fame).  The zinc/mag/b6 combo is cool because it's so cheap, and you may be zinc deficient, so it's pretty cheap insurance.

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I might be experimenting with provigil in the coming months as well, we'll see how that goes. If it works as nice as bulletproof coffee I'm pretty game.

I had to google provigil, is that in the 4HB?  It looks like it's a controlled substance in the US, so I'm assuming it's some kind of prescription "stay awake" pill?  Why would you want to 'experiment' with that when the EC stack is so cheap, safe, and effective?

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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2013, 03:36:54 PM »

I had to google provigil, is that in the 4HB?  It looks like it's a controlled substance in the US, so I'm assuming it's some kind of prescription "stay awake" pill?  Why would you want to 'experiment' with that when the EC stack is so cheap, safe, and effective?

No it's not. I heard about it from the Bulletproof Executive, awhile back, where I got bulletproof coffee from. Honestly I've noticed the biggest changes from a) eating bison b) bulletproof coffee c) zinc/magnesium combo (that's just in last few days)

I don't know what the EC stack is?

Provigil is sort of billed as a smart drug, people talk about incredible clarity / mental focus. We'll see what it does. I tried nootropics in the past (piracetam, etc) and they didn't do too much.

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« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2013, 03:41:36 PM »
EC is the ephedrine/caffeine combo.

Personally, I'd stay away from a provogil, since it's a prescription drug I'm sure it's expensive, and it's not popular enough to be a standard drug for the physical improvement crowd (for instance, everyone knows about fish oil, creatine, ephedrine/caffeine and a multivitamin).  I don't see any mention of it on any dark side (steroid) boards, so.... meh.  If it's a new drug, let other people be the lab rats.

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« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2013, 08:56:26 PM »
Nords, I burst out laughing at "and I washed my hands."  I hope you will do more book reviews for us!
Thanks!

I try to do at least one every couple of months:
http://the-military-guide.com/2012/12/31/book-review-pocket-your-dollars/
http://the-military-guide.com/2012/08/06/book-review-abundance/
http://the-military-guide.com/2012/07/19/book-review-you-are-not-so-smart/
http://the-military-guide.com/2012/05/02/book-report-the-36-hour-day/
http://the-military-guide.com/2012/04/02/book-report-the-mindset-list/ (The author read my blog post and gave me an autographed copy for my daughter.)
http://the-military-guide.com/2012/03/07/book-review-give-smart/
http://the-military-guide.com/2012/02/23/book-review-your-retirement-quest/

I'm still sitting on draft reviews of Duhigg's "The Power of Habit" and Bernstein's "Investor's Manifesto", but they're both excellent.

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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2013, 11:39:46 AM »
EC is the ephedrine/caffeine combo.

Personally, I'd stay away from a provogil, since it's a prescription drug I'm sure it's expensive, and it's not popular enough to be a standard drug for the physical improvement crowd (for instance, everyone knows about fish oil, creatine, ephedrine/caffeine and a multivitamin).  I don't see any mention of it on any dark side (steroid) boards, so.... meh.  If it's a new drug, let other people be the lab rats.

Yeah it's covered by my insurance to 90%. I'm going to try it out, see how it goes.

I might try Alpha Brain first.. they offer a money back guarantee if you don't like the product.

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« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2013, 05:42:57 AM »
Has anyone been implementing any of the protocol from Tim Ferriss' 4 Hour Body?

Yes, I lost 11kg (24.3 lbs) in 4 months. I liked the diet as I found it very easy to follow (no measuring food portions, just stick to the 5 basic rules).

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I've just started the following, which is the base thing he recommends everyone do:

30 grams of protein within 30 minutes of waking. (protein powder and water for me so far)
500 ml ice water first thing in the morning
Yes, I did this.

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Kettlebell swings 30-50 reps 3 times per week.
I bought a 16kg (35.3 lbs) kettlebell and started doing 50 reps twice a week.
I built up from there fairly quickly to 100, 150 and then 200 reps. The kettlebell was awesome
as it only takes about 10 minutes to complete an exhausting mixed cardio / muscle workout.

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Replace milk in coffee (wasn't drinking milk before) with cinnamon - regulates insulin spikes from meals
I only put cinnamon in my coffee on cheat day. I'd constantly drink grapefruit juice through out cheat day too.
I started off doing the GLUT exercises but soon stopped as they "got in the way" and the thing I liked about this diet is its "ease of use".

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Zinc / Magnesium before sleep.
I also used the PAGG stack (pre-MMM!)

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I think

A few days in.. I have noticed the zinc / magnesium is making me sleep like the dead, waking regular and very refreshed. This is from someone who normally sleeps excellently.. I'm actually feeling a difference.

The ice water definitely makes me feel kickstarted / hydrated in the morning. I'll report back more as time passes.
I didn't do the Ice Age stuff!
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Anyone else shown positive results from this?

Overall, I was very pleased with 4HB diet. However, it is just a basic (s)low-carb diet, not much different to all the other low-carb diets.
It's unique selling points for me were:
1. Cheat day (YEAH!)
2. Very very simple rules to follow. I'd batch cook chilli / curry (made with simple spices), add veg and lentils, use for lunch at work. Scrambled eggs in the morning (egg whites mostly). My wife would cook a different meal for dinner and I'd just adapt that for 4HB rules. REPEAT, REPEAT, REPEAT!

Initially, I implemented the diet slightly wrong and was losing about 0.5kg/week. Once I fixed it and implemented the diet correctly, I was losing 1.0kg/week. Went from 76kg (24% body fat) to 65kg (<10% body fat) in 4 months.

After finishing the diet, I kept the weight off by basically not eating white carbs and staying pretty active :)
This was the first time I had gone on a diet, so I have nothing to compare it against, but I found it extremely effective and simple to implement.

I have a "cheat sheet" I created and used summarising all the different aspects of the slow-carb diet (notes from the book and the web). This helped me implement the diet correctly (as I found the book quite fragmented). I'd be happy to email / share it with you if you want.
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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2013, 10:22:22 AM »
Sure that'd be great. I compiled a short one myself, but it wasn't too detailed.

If you feel comfortable, post it here for everyone, if not PM me and I'll send you my email. Thanks.

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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2013, 11:23:25 AM »
The 5 basic eating rules:
http://gizmodo.com/5709913/4+hour-body-+-the-slow+carb-diet

Slow Carb Diet (do's and don't's):
Use herbs and spices for flavour, NOT ketchup or curries from jar! Can buy curry / chilli powder made from natural herbs / spices from all supermarkets.
Breakfast is the most important meal, don't skip it.

Kettlebells:
1set of 75 reps twice a week (well, 3 days between kettlebells, hard workout for all of body, need time to recover). Try and build up to more and more reps.

Damage Control Cheat Day:
o) 2-3 cups of coffee throughout the day also helps, best with each cheat meal
o) Drink citrus juices (either lime juice squeezed into water, lemon on meals or a citrus drink) during day
o) glut4exercise (must do on cheat day, optional otherwise (bit of a waste of time because on non-cheat days calories will be going into muscle (and not stored a fat) anyway)
o) PAGG (definitely take on cheat day if you are on the PAGG programme)
--1-- Normal non-cheat breakfast
--2-- Grapefruit juice + coffeeWithCinnamon just before 1st cheat meal
o) Cheat day is a single day – preferably from lunch time until bed time (usually around 12-14 hours). Have a slow carb breakfast and then do the cheat day. It is NOT from midnight to midnight!

PAGG
AGG-breakfast, AGG-lunch, AGG-dinner, PAGG-bed
Six days a week (one day off a week). Take one week off every 8 weeks. But take PAGG on cheat day.

Glut4 exercises:
60s of exercise right before eating (eg: ~45 wall presses AND ~45 air squats AND ~45 chest pulls, 15 reps x 3). Same again but 60-90mins after eating.

Ice-Age
o) Ice-pack on back of neck and upper trapezius (back below neck) for 30 minutes in the evening.
o) 1/2 Litre of Ice-Cold water 1st VERY FIRST THING in the morning, eat SCD breakfast 20-30 mins later.
o) Hot-cold shower: hot water for 1-2minutes, then lather-up out of water, turn water cold, rinse off lather, then cold water for 1-3minutes on the back of the neck/upper trapezius.
o) Ice-cold bath for 20-30 mins to induce shivering!

Useful internet pages:
Common questions about cheat day:
http://www.fourhourbodycouple.com/2011/10/14/common-questions-faq-about-cheat-day/

If you do an intense free-weight workout for at least 20 minutes, then you can eat what you want (a cheat meal!) within 1.5 hours of finishing workout IF you have less than 12% bodyfat:
o) http://4hourpeople.com/question/506/what-is-the-best-prepost-workout-meal-for-somebody-focusing-on-fat-losshttp://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2007/04/06/how-to-lose-20-lbs-of-fat-in-30-days-without-doing-any-exercise/
o) http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2007/04/06/how-to-lose-20-lbs-of-fat-in-30-days-without-doing-any-exercise/ (in Rule 1)

Tim ferris interview about the SCD:
http://www.ttfatloss.com/cheat-meal/

Online cheat sheets:
o) http://4hourcheat.s3.amazonaws.com/4%20Hour%20Body%20Cheat%20Sheet.pdf  (general cheat sheet)
o) http://www.4hourlife.com/2011/03/09/damage-control-and-the-slow-carb-diet-binge-day-cheat-sheet/  (cheat day cheat sheet)

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Internet SCD overview page for which the link (http://sublimeoblivion.com/2011/02/14/the-four-week-body-guide/) is broken, so I have pasted my copy of it below:
The Four Week Body Guide
Cheat Sheet To Tim Ferris’ Four Hour Body
This is a guide to dropping weight super fast with minimal effort.
One month. More than 20 pounds of fat loss – guaranteed.
There are five key elements to this method:
1. The Low Carb Diet;
2. Cold Exposure;
3. PAGG Stack;
4. Kettlebell Swings;
5. and last but not least, body monitoring.

It is based on the methods described in the book The Four Hour Body by Tim Ferris, a “body hacker” who spent a decade figuring out the quickest, most effective formulas for acquiring superhuman strength and fitness so you don’t have to.

This guide is the cheat sheet to his cheat book for the truly lazy: sixty pages condensed into just six, with 90% of the ideas in 10% the content. It’s 80/20 all the way, baby – Enjoy!

Eating The Caveman
The Low Carb Diet is the lynchpin of the Four Hour Body system.

You absolutely MUST follow it.
Avoid “white” carbohydrates. This includes foods such as bread, rice (inc. brown), cereals, potatoes, pasta, tortillas, fried food with breading.
Eat the same few meals over and over again. Keep it simple and eat as much as you want – good ideas include egg whites, spinach, chicken breast, grass-fed beef, fish, lentils, black, pinto and red beans (canned are OK), broccoli, cauliflower, other mixed vegetables (frozen are OK), sauerkraut, kimchi.
Don’t drink calories. No fruit juice, soft drinks or milk. Instead, drink A LOT of water, as well as unsweetened tea, coffee with cinnamon, and/or one-two glasses of red wine in the evening.
Don’t eat fruit. Exceptions include tomatoes and a little avocado or guacamole.
Take one – and only ONE – day off per week and go nuts. “Paradoxically, dramatically spiking caloric intake in this way once per week increases fat loss by ensuring that your metabolic rate… doesn’t downshift from extended caloric restriction.”

Eating the Caveman: There are some other important tips.
Eat breakfast within one hour – preferably 30 minutes – of getting up.
Go protein heavy (esp. at breakfast – use two-three egg whites).
Drink lots, lots of water.
Taking vitamin and mineral supplements is fine, but without iron!
Buying organic beans, or soaking them in water for a few hours, prevents farting.
To add flavor: garlic, balsamic vinegar, black pepper, cayenne, most herbs, olive oil, salsa.
For heating, use ghee butter or macadamia oil.
These are OK in moderation: almonds, Brazil nuts, chickpeas, hummus, peanuts, macadamias.
Good “dry” red wines include Pinot Noir, Cabernet Sauvignon and Merlot.
There’s a special art on how to binge while losing weight. In one sentence – eat grapefruit with coffee before second meal; drink citric juices; 2.4g of cissus quadrangularis plant and 90 seconds of air squats a few minutes before meals; and consider fermented foods such as cheese, kefir, kimchi, sauerkraut, fermented fish, or kombucha tea.

Experience The Ice Age
Leveraging the laws of thermodynamics to burn more calories can be more effective than exercising your ass off. Why not let the Ice Age do the hard work for you?

EASY – POLAR EXPLORER:
“Place an icepack on the back of the neck or upper trapezius area for 20-30 minutes, preferably in the evening.” Do this five times a week, e.g. when working on a computer or reading. It’s 60% as effective as an ice bath.
EASY – ICE ON THE ROCKS:
Drink a half liter of chilled water right after waking up.
MODERATE – COLD DRIZZLE:
“Take 5-10 minute cold showers before breakfast and/or before bed.” They’s also cool for increasing lean muscle gain, immune resistance, and treating depression!
HARD – ICEMAN:
“If you’re impatient, and can tolerate more, take 20 minute baths that induce shivering.”
EXTREME – HUMAN POLAR BEAR:
Take inspiration from Lewis Pugh, shown above, whose idea of a nice vacation is swimming with the icebergs!

Carry The PAGG Stack
This is a cool new supplement that turbocharges fat loss and accelerates muscle gain.
20-25mg Policosanol.
100-300mg Alpha-lipoic acid
325mg+ decaff Green tea flavanols (or Epigallocatechin gallate)
200mg Garlic extract
Take AGG’s before every meal and a PAGG before bed.

Take one day off per week, and ONE WEEK off every two months.

You can purchase a month’s supply for c.$55 by buying separately, or make things easy and order the whole joint from PAGGStack.com for $92. Quoted costs may change and exclude shipping.

PS. If you’re really hardcore you can try the ECA Stack, which is more effective than PAGG, but be forewarned that it produces bad side effects and dependency.

Kettlebells Will Get You Ripped
Buy a kettlebell for c.$50-80.
Girls – 35-44lb (16-20kg), guys – 44-53lb (20-24kg).

The Russian kettlebell swing.

Position feet as shown to the right.
The lowering movement is a sitting-back-on-a-chair movement, not a squatting-down one.
Generate swing power using the hips, thigh and lower back muscles – and NOT the arms.
Squeeze ass cheeks at the peak of the swing.
Shoulders are pulled back and NOT in front of the knees at any time.
Do 75 swings in five reps. Increase to 150 and then weight with time.

Do Russian kettlebell swings twice a week – and NO MORE.

Once you get to 12% body fat, build a sixpack by following up kettlebels with 10 reps of myotatic crouches over a Swiss ball and 10 rept of the “Cat Vomit” exercise. You can watch a video of these 4HB exercises here.

Monitoring Body Hacking
No, that’s not the latest horror movie – at least we hope!

Improvements by the numbers will encourage you to keep on the right path, and give you advance notice if something isn’t working. So track or fail!

Get tape measure and calipers to measure body fat.
Create a spreadsheet with dates and columns for weight, Total Inches, and body fat.
To get Total Inches, add up lengths of: both upper arms (mid-biceps), the waist (navel), hips (widest below waist) and both legs (mid-thigh). Use calipers instructions to estimate body fat.
Update your spreadsheet at least once a week and draw graphs to visualize your progress.
Get some friends to compete with you in losing weight fast. Nobody wants to be the public loser!
Take a “before” swimsuit photo of yourself, in order to enjoy the “after” photo all the more!
Photograph everything you eat if diet discipline isn’t your thing.
And if you ever lose enthusiasm, then gaze at the picture above – and it will come back to you stronger than ever!
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Re: 4 Hour Body
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2013, 12:37:18 AM »
I, for one, am mystified as to how the human race managed to survive before Tim Ferris and others could show us how to eat properly.

Apparently we were especially deficient in acronyms and cool hacking names.

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« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2013, 04:35:50 AM »
I, for one, am mystified as to how the human race managed to survive before Tim Ferris and others could show us how to eat properly.

Apparently we were especially deficient in acronyms and cool hacking names.

Yes, he is the King of self promotion. TLA's and cool hacking names for what is essentially a calorie deficient diet (follow the 5 basic eating rules) with exercise (kettlebells) ... ie: eat less and exercise more! Re-packaging old-ideas FTW :)

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« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2013, 10:43:17 AM »
I, for one, am mystified as to how the human race managed to survive before Tim Ferris and others could show us how to eat properly.

Apparently we were especially deficient in acronyms and cool hacking names.

+1

Also there were no fit dudes before kettlebells.

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« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2013, 06:43:39 AM »
I, for one, am mystified as to how the human race managed to survive before Tim Ferris and others could show us how to eat properly.

Apparently we were especially deficient in acronyms and cool hacking names.

I appreciate the snark generally, but if I'm finding out something that works better for me, why would you feel the need to be snarky about it?

It's pretty obvious from obesity rates and general human health that there's a lot of people that could use some assistance.

If someone's been doing Mr. Money Moustache for years we don't troll someone who's just joined the site and learned to do something a better way. Just saying.

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« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2013, 07:46:50 AM »
But... it's both wrong and deceptive.

"If you do an intense free-weight workout for at least 20 minutes, then you can eat what you want (a cheat meal!) within 1.5 hours of finishing workout IF you have less than 12% bodyfat:"

These kind of statements lead people to need more guidance from him because it doesn't make any god damn sense. There are 5 subjective components of that above statement -

1) What defines intense? Is it high intensity as a percentage of 1rm or a high volume, low intensity routine? A 20 rep squat set or is it exclusively 1,000 rep kettlebell swings?
2) Why 20 minutes? What happens at this magic number? Because f you if you think i'm not eating carbs after Sheiko 30.
3) What defines a cheat meal? Are these magic calories that apportion differently?
4) Why does it have to be within 90 minutes? What systemic issue are we dealing with that requires a 90 minute window when protein synthesis is elevated for 24-48 hours following a heavy lifting day?
5) Why only 12% bodyfat?


Here's another nonsense statement, and the mysterious 12%-
"Once you get to 12% body fat, build a sixpack by following up kettlebels with 10 reps of myotatic crouches over a Swiss ball and 10 rept of the “Cat Vomit” exercise. You can watch a video of these 4HB exercises here."

If you are at 12% body fat, you should have some abs. If you want a six pack, you get to 10% body fat (depending on how your body holds fat). Because ab definition is based on body fat percentage, not "myostatic crunches over a swiss ball." You can do literally nothing lifting wise and have abs if you know how to cut to 6% bodyfat.

He makes money off of confusing people, but not actually giving info. Read mark rippetoe, alan aragon, lyle mcdonald, zatsiorsky, prilipen. They give you data and you can apply it to a system without magic hand waiving.

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« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2013, 10:06:12 AM »
There seems to be a somewhat disturbing focus on supplementing a poor diet rather than just eating proper healthy meals as well . . . I really think you would be better off locking down a proper balanced diet / sensical exercise plan, progressing to a point where your body is physically incapable of doing what you want with the diet you're on and then MAYBE looking into supplements.

The only exercise you've really mentioned here is doing kettlebell swings at high reps 2-3 times a week . . . I don't know what your fitness goals are, but that doesn't sound like a particularly efficient exercise plan to increase your strength or cardio.

I'm not saying that the plan you're on won't have any benefit . . . it just seems like a very convoluted, overcomplicated, and inefficient way to try to get in shape.

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« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2013, 10:06:49 AM »
I, for one, am mystified as to how the human race managed to survive before Tim Ferris and others could show us how to eat properly.

Apparently we were especially deficient in acronyms and cool hacking names.

I appreciate the snark generally, but if I'm finding out something that works better for me, why would you feel the need to be snarky about it?

It's pretty obvious from obesity rates and general human health that there's a lot of people that could use some assistance.

If someone's been doing Mr. Money Moustache for years we don't troll someone who's just joined the site and learned to do something a better way. Just saying.

I'm sorry if it seems like we're making fun of you. I think you've really done something impressive and you should be very proud of yourself.

In my army training, one of my instructors had a saying that he applied to dudes bringing like four jackets and sixteen D batteries to the field (because they lived in fear of "just in case") and guys who would pack rocks in their gear to increase difficulty alike:

"Slamming your dick in a door and setting your balls on fire both hurt, but they're not good for you."

See, both these people were proud because they'd put in effort and gotten results. I was the exact opposite, and usually only packed a blanket. Maybe some bug spray. We both got through it and got the job done, but they were "slamming their dick in a door" with every footstep. I'm still proud because I got the same results without any of that junk.

Now that I've read and thought more, I think there is a legitimate philosophical reason to care about pursuing your goals in a correct and efficient way:

Your time, body, and environment are the three things that are finite in your life. It is absolutely crucial to maximize the utility and development that you take from and put into each of these things. Therefore, if it is even slightly less efficient or healthful to just put some cinnamon in your coffee and go do crunches with a kettlebell on a bosu ball (or whatever) than it is to simply eat well and lift heavy things and walk more, then you should regard someone telling you to do those things with skepticism and derision.

Not that I regard you with derision, I really do think you should be proud.

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« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2013, 10:48:43 AM »

Your time, body, and environment are the three things that are finite in your life. It is absolutely crucial to maximize the utility and development that you take from and put into each of these things. Therefore, if it is even slightly less efficient or healthful to just put some cinnamon in your coffee and go do crunches with a kettlebell on a bosu ball (or whatever) than it is to simply eat well and lift heavy things and walk more, then you should regard someone telling you to do those things with skepticism and derision.

Not that I regard you with derision, I really do think you should be proud.

I agree. That's one of the things I like about this for me so far, it that I've good results (when I'm applying things) so far with a minimal amount of time / effort expended. People might bemoan Ferriss's marketing or whatever, but ultimately what he's looking for is efficiency.. maximum result for minimum input.

The other thing that I think so people forget it that it's predominently a routine for beginners.. the way it's structured is to build good habits that snowball into great habits. He doesn't talk about that too explicitly, but it's kind of built in there. For example.. if you told me to do 100 kb reps at xx weight every day or whatever, I probably wouldn't have started. But now that I've started the habit (originally doing 25-50 reps a couple of times a week) I found I'm enjoying it to the point that I'm doing 100-200 reps daily and will be taking some professional exercise classes too. This is going from someone who before was mainly exercising by biking / long-term walking.

I think people who already have really great habits often forget that sometimes baby steps is the way to go to get to the right place.

I didn't think you were being overly snarky actually, but one of the things I really like about this board is the spirit of we're all in this together, let's use our badass expertise to help each other out. So I'm just trying to cut off any possible troll-fests from starting. You might use ___ bodybuilder's system and have amazing results, but it doesn't mean I have to use that system or that it's the best for me.

Just wanting to stay on track and keep the board positive. A post of "I'm not so sure about this system, but I've had great results and/or really respect the knowledge from writers a) & b) for c) & d) reasons" would be a lot more useful post to me. More like your second one.

Thanks for responding though in a positive manner, that's great.

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« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2013, 02:53:38 PM »
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The other thing that I think so people forget it that it's predominently a routine for beginners.. the way it's structured is to build good habits that snowball into great habits. He doesn't talk about that too explicitly, but it's kind of built in there. For example.. if you told me to do 100 kb reps at xx weight every day or whatever, I probably wouldn't have started. But now that I've started the habit (originally doing 25-50 reps a couple of times a week) I found I'm enjoying it to the point that I'm doing 100-200 reps daily and will be taking some professional exercise classes too. This is going from someone who before was mainly exercising by biking / long-term walking.

I think people who already have really great habits often forget that sometimes baby steps is the way to go to get to the right place.

+1
It is aimed at beginners. It worked very well in helping me achieve my goals. As someone who had never dieted before, it gave me simple and clear diet rules to follow and it encouraged me to exercise and track my progress. It did this while taking into account that people lead busy lives and need a diet that can account for this. Yes, there are lots of TLA's, "hack tips" and it does come across as being a "cool diet". Is it the holy grail of dieting? no. Does it get the job done efficiently and in an entertaining way? absolutely. It will not be the ideal diet for everyone, but it was for me, and according to many others on the internet, it was for them too.

It was my doorway into diet and weight-lifting. After doing the diet portion I had lost a lot of weight and learned quite a bit so I decided to start with free-weights to gain muscle. I didn't follow any of the 4-hour-body regimes for weight-lifting, instead I implemented a no-frills 3-day-split full body workout which I then changed to a 4-day-split targeted workout. The slow-carb-diet was my introduction to diet / weights, but I had gained enough knowledge to know that "hacks", TLA's and "coolness" are really not needed.

OP was asking for information regarding the slow-carb-diet, and I was happy to share my experience with it and the notes I had for it. Everyone has to start somewhere (did everyone on this forum realize from the get-go that they need to be savvy with money and instantly come to MMM? or did you bounce around many PF blogs before discovering the brilliance of MMM?)

Perhaps you feel a need to mock the diet because you tried it and it didn't work for you? If so, that is valid information and worth sharing with OP, but if you never attempted the diet and just wish to castigate it because you don't like it, that is really no use to anyone.

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« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2013, 05:15:50 PM »
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The other thing that I think so people forget it that it's predominently a routine for beginners.. the way it's structured is to build good habits that snowball into great habits. He doesn't talk about that too explicitly, but it's kind of built in there. For example.. if you told me to do 100 kb reps at xx weight every day or whatever, I probably wouldn't have started. But now that I've started the habit (originally doing 25-50 reps a couple of times a week) I found I'm enjoying it to the point that I'm doing 100-200 reps daily and will be taking some professional exercise classes too. This is going from someone who before was mainly exercising by biking / long-term walking.

I think people who already have really great habits often forget that sometimes baby steps is the way to go to get to the right place.

+1
It is aimed at beginners. It worked very well in helping me achieve my goals. As someone who had never dieted before, it gave me simple and clear diet rules to follow and it encouraged me to exercise and track my progress. It did this while taking into account that people lead busy lives and need a diet that can account for this. Yes, there are lots of TLA's, "hack tips" and it does come across as being a "cool diet". Is it the holy grail of dieting? no. Does it get the job done efficiently and in an entertaining way? absolutely. It will not be the ideal diet for everyone, but it was for me, and according to many others on the internet, it was for them too.

It was my doorway into diet and weight-lifting. After doing the diet portion I had lost a lot of weight and learned quite a bit so I decided to start with free-weights to gain muscle. I didn't follow any of the 4-hour-body regimes for weight-lifting, instead I implemented a no-frills 3-day-split full body workout which I then changed to a 4-day-split targeted workout. The slow-carb-diet was my introduction to diet / weights, but I had gained enough knowledge to know that "hacks", TLA's and "coolness" are really not needed.

OP was asking for information regarding the slow-carb-diet, and I was happy to share my experience with it and the notes I had for it. Everyone has to start somewhere (did everyone on this forum realize from the get-go that they need to be savvy with money and instantly come to MMM? or did you bounce around many PF blogs before discovering the brilliance of MMM?)

Perhaps you feel a need to mock the diet because you tried it and it didn't work for you? If so, that is valid information and worth sharing with OP, but if you never attempted the diet and just wish to castigate it because you don't like it, that is really no use to anyone.

Hey bro, you should head on over to the fitness megathread (off topic forum) and share your program and totals. It's lonely over there with just me and Kriegsspiel talking about how weak and hopeless we are.
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Re: 4 Hour Body
« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2013, 09:12:26 PM »
I appreciate the snark generally, but if I'm finding out something that works better for me, why would you feel the need to be snarky about it?
It's pretty obvious from obesity rates and general human health that there's a lot of people that could use some assistance.
If someone's been doing Mr. Money Moustache for years we don't troll someone who's just joined the site and learned to do something a better way. Just saying.
Heh.  Been a few years since someone put my name and the word "troll" in the same post.

Like I said, I've read the first hundred pages or so of his book.  His system is designed to elevate the user's self-awareness to an astounding degree, and that awareness alone has been determined to produce results in many aspects of human performance.  But we'll have to come back to this thread in a year or two and see if people are still living by PAGGs and Gluts and SCDs and all the other acronyms of the lifestyle.  Let alone weighing their personal "input" and "output".  It's just too complicated and time-consuming, and people want to do other things with their lives.

Another part of the problem is figuring out what works.  People all respond differently to different stimuli, and food/exercise stimulate different people in different ways.  What works in one carefully controlled study has to be repeated many times before it can be deemed generally applicable to a mixed population, and even then the USDA is living proof how politics and research $$ can corrupt any study conclusions.  It's easy to find a nutrition or exercise study to support just about any claim in the popular literature.

Guys like Ferriss are taking advantage of the general confusion (and incompetence) in the field.  (Is America a great country or what?)  His book will be read by many and adopted by a few, and maybe it'll work for those few.  Or maybe any other diet/exercise program would work for that group of a few with a lot less effort and monitoring.  Only one way to find out. 

For those of us who have seen the lifestyle pendulum complete a few swings, I'll leave you with a link to Paul Terhorst's classic:  "Bodywork".
https://sites.google.com/site/paulvicgroup/Home/paul-page/body-work

Yeah, yeah, I know, a few of you are wondering "WTF is this Terhorst guy?!?":
https://sites.google.com/site/paulvicgroup/Home


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« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2013, 12:14:38 PM »

Hey bro, you should head on over to the fitness megathread (off topic forum) and share your program and totals. It's lonely over there with just me and Kriegsspiel talking about how weak and hopeless we are.

Solidarity brother. I've also started a Mr. Money Mustache group on Fitocracy where we can keep track of each other's progress and encourage each other.

I appreciate the snark generally, but if I'm finding out something that works better for me, why would you feel the need to be snarky about it?
It's pretty obvious from obesity rates and general human health that there's a lot of people that could use some assistance.
If someone's been doing Mr. Money Moustache for years we don't troll someone who's just joined the site and learned to do something a better way. Just saying.

For those of us who have seen the lifestyle pendulum complete a few swings, I'll leave you with a link to Paul Terhorst's classic:  "Bodywork".
https://sites.google.com/site/paulvicgroup/Home/paul-page/body-work

Yeah, yeah, I know, a few of you are wondering "WTF is this Terhorst guy?!?":
https://sites.google.com/site/paulvicgroup/Home

Thanks for the tip. Appreciate it. For the record, wasn't calling you a troll, just trying to prevent trolling from occurring. It doesn't usually take much to get the ball rolling that way.

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« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2013, 09:53:25 AM »
I have mixed feelings about Tim Ferriss. His 4HWW book mentioned how he won fighting contests by shoving people off the mat. He was not the strongest or the best. He just knew that the other person would be disqualified if they fell off the mat. That seemed lame to me.

I do have 4HB on order via the library. If the book involves me reading about him weighing his poop, then it might go back fairly quickly.

That said, I downloaded the free 100 pushups app and the 200 situps app. My goal is to reach those numbers by the end of the year. I walk around 8 miles per week or more. I am feeling really good.

For sleep, I used to take Valerian every now and then. It smells terrible, but the pills are do-able. And it's a plant and 100% from nature.

As for organic foods, I love organic. I do not want to contribute to Monsanto and their untested genetically modified food. I'm not interested in being their guinea pig, thanks. =-)


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« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2013, 10:52:30 AM »
The four hour body craze seems a bit strange, considering a normal full fitness regimen is about the same.

Run two miles 3x/week, total one hour.
Lift weights 3x/week, total three hours.
Take a rest day one day per week, zero hours.

Weekly time total, four hours. Can I get a book deal?

Combine that plan with a normal healthy diet, plenty of water, and at least 8 hours of sleep per night and you'll be AMAZED at how quickly your body responds.  It's almost like it WANTS to be healthy if you treat it right.

I suppose you don't make a million dollars giving advice like that.  Maybe I can market it with a catch phrase and a special water glass to remind you to drink more water? 

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« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2013, 11:47:51 AM »
So are you trying to sell me vegetables or something? I don't get it, what do I stack with my carrots and broccoli???

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« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2013, 01:02:41 PM »
I like the book, but I find Nord's takedown of Ferris much more entertaining.

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« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2013, 10:58:46 AM »
Has anyone been implementing any of the protocol from Tim Ferriss' 4 Hour Body?

I've just started the following, which is the base thing he recommends everyone do:

30 grams of protein within 30 minutes of waking. (protein powder and water for me so far)
500 ml ice water first thing in the morning

Kettlebell swings 30-50 reps 3 times per week.

Replace milk in coffee (wasn't drinking milk before) with cinnamon - regulates insulin spikes from meals

Zinc / Magnesium before sleep.



A few days in.. I have noticed the zinc / magnesium is making me sleep like the dead, waking regular and very refreshed. This is from someone who normally sleeps excellently.. I'm actually feeling a difference.

The ice water definitely makes me feel kickstarted / hydrated in the morning. I'll report back more as time passes.

Anyone else shown positive results from this?

trying to time protein is irrelevant. check out this site www.leangains.com.

i've been lifting on and off for a few years. i finally started taking my diet serious. i'll have one protein shake in the morning and thats it then the rest is lentils and i'll have some chicken on the days i lift. i've never looked better. it's all about staying consistent with your calorie intake.

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« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2013, 02:04:59 PM »
The wife and I tried the Magnesium/Zinc thing before bed last night and I actually noticed a difference.  I did not expect that to work.  Of course that's only 1 night, but we'll continue and see if it keeps working.

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« Reply #37 on: May 27, 2013, 09:05:56 AM »
I haven't read the book or anything, but I can understand the snark...how did we all survive?

In any event, as someone who has been through some weight changes in  my life (chubby kid, trim in the Navy, got married, gained weight - topped out at 182 lbs, got down to 125, then had a baby, then lost the baby weight, then had another baby...still carrying around those extra 30 lbs)...

I can appreciate how  hard it is to lose weight, and how hard it is to find something that *works* for you.  Every body is different, every BRAIN is different, and my life is different now than it was in 2002 when I first lost the weight.  I've had a lot of success on Weight Watchers (in 2002 and after the first baby).  But they've changed the plan 3 or 4 times, and it stopped working for me.  I know there's a new iteration, but I'm kind of over that.  I've been working now on the free MyFitnessPal for calorie tracking and Fit Yummy Mummy for workouts (it's better than its name).  It sometimes works but the truth is, with two kids and a job, it's hard to count every calorie and squeeze in workouts.

That's why there are Tim Ferrises.  I know people who've lost weight on vegan diets, Eat to Live, Paleo.  It seems that a simpler approach, one that eliminates entire food groups, is easier than counting calories.  I'm just not willing to go there right now.  But I am ALWAYS appreciative and impressed when people work hard and get fit.

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« Reply #38 on: May 27, 2013, 10:07:17 AM »
The four hour body craze seems a bit strange, considering a normal full fitness regimen is about the same.

Run two miles 3x/week, total one hour.
Lift weights 3x/week, total three hours.
Take a rest day one day per week, zero hours.

Weekly time total, four hours. Can I get a book deal?

The protocols in the book are four hours total, not four hours per week.

I followed Geek to Freak for about two months, and was consistently increasingthe weight in all lifts by 10% (or 10lbs) per workout the entire time.

My goal was to put on 10-15 lbs, but I only made it to 8 or so, primarily because I found it difficult to sustain the recommended caloric intake. By the end of the second month, I had dropped back to my original weight, but was still lifting more each session.

I never spent more than about 15 minutes at the gym, and was happy with the results.

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« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2013, 10:35:26 AM »
The wife and I tried the Magnesium/Zinc thing before bed last night and I actually noticed a difference.  I did not expect that to work.  Of course that's only 1 night, but we'll continue and see if it keeps working.

Yeah I usually just do a morning protein shake. Probably will start adding greens to it soon, see the difference.

I usually start the day with protein shake (no fruit), a quick breakfast (eggs, bacon / omelette, etc), and then a few cups of bulletproof coffee.. and I feel pretty amazingly good.

Will be experimenting with a few non-4HB things coming soon. Biohacking is the new drinking, for me.

Yeah I found the zinc / magnesium really helps, however I rarely need it. Now that my work schedule is more balanced my sleep is usually really good, except when people call me late and we talk to the wee hours.

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« Reply #40 on: May 27, 2013, 06:50:53 PM »
I've been getting pretty outrageous results from skipping breakfast altogether (Intermittent fasting) and Wendler's 5/3/1, though I'm thinking of switching it up to the Texas Method.

I mean my 1RM Deadlift has gone from 425 to 485 in seven weeks, just from diet and exercise. Who knew!

 

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