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FU Money Milestone at age 27
« on: February 15, 2014, 09:47:21 PM »
I recently achieved a net worth equal to 25x annual expenses (4% withdrawl rate) at Age 27!  I translate this to mean that I will need to continue working for money in some form or fashion, but with the freedom to leave my current employer at any time and remain unemployed for a few years (i.e., FU Money). 

I still have a ways to go, before reaching my FIRE Money Milestone, which I consider to be roughly 38x annual expenses (2.6% withdrawl rate). 

With the notable exceptions of having been born to intelligent and industrious middle-class parents that paid my way through school, I have not enjoyed any significant windfalls or other unusual benefits that are not available to most other US citizens that attend state universities.  I have achieved this milestone primarily by working hard to obtain employment in a well-paid field, in a well-paid industry, with a subjective merit-based compensation system.  I have continued to work hard, to be rewarded by my employer's (S&P 500 Company) merit-based compensation system and obtain overseas assignments that offer expatriate premiums.  I have not received stock options, bonuses, or anything other than an annual salary that changes year-to-year based on performance, experience, and US labor market conditions. 

Frugality has also played a part in this financial success.  I would not be considered exceptionally frugal by MMM standards.  However, my average annual expenses are significantly lower than those of my peers and co-workers.

Ultimately, my approach to personal finance has been similiar to MMM's, and can be summarized as:
  • Make financial independence a high priority (Make as much money as you can, as early as you can!)
  • Enjoy hobbies and interests that are relatively cheap
  • Base purchasing decisions primarily on relative "return on investment" (happiness/cost)
  • Occasionally review and optimize costs, when it is worth the time and effort to do so
  • Do NOT strictly budget expenses or savings (which could limit ability to take advangate of unforseen opportunities and/or cause unnecessary stress)
  • Invest savings with the intention of maximizing long-term risk-adjusted total return, as appropriate for the market conditions (flexible asset allocation) and diversify these investments into businesses (stocks & bonds) or derivatives (ETFs, mutual funds) with transparent risks that I understand.

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Re: FU Money Milestone at age 27
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2014, 10:11:16 PM »
Kids in the future?  If so, I wouldn't consider yourself FI until you have those costs covered, but congrats for the savings.

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Re: FU Money Milestone at age 27
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2014, 10:24:43 PM »
Congratulations on your success!
I am a former teacher who accumulated a bunch of real estate, retired at 29, spent some time traveling the world full time and am now settled with three kids.
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Re: FU Money Milestone at age 27
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2014, 10:49:50 PM »
Net worth is 25x expenses, or value of income-producing investments is 25x expenses?

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Re: FU Money Milestone at age 27
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2014, 12:51:16 AM »
RE: Baron 235

I am currently single, with no children.  Kids would definitely be a significant unplanned (but hopefully managable) expense.   I cannot see myself having more than 3 kids.  And if I do have kids, I will force them to be financially independent of their father, sooner than later ;P


RE: Sword Guy

In this case, Net Worth = Income-Producing Investments. 
Depreciating assets (iPhone, iPad, clothing, sports gear, etc.) not included in net worth.  I do not own real-estate or cars.  Neither do I have any debt.

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Re: FU Money Milestone at age 27
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2014, 05:24:48 AM »
Well done, may you not need to use the FU money!

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Re: FU Money Milestone at age 27
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2014, 05:43:58 AM »
Congratulations!* If I may ask, are you planning on changing your lifestyle now that you have reached this mileston?
Like working a bit less or only taking up the assignments of your choice, reading more, learning certain skills or whatever your dreams are?

* I also almost reached my goal of FU money, which is nowhere near your definition, just a mere 5 x annual expenses + emergency fund.

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Re: FU Money Milestone at age 27
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2014, 06:15:56 AM »
Welcome and congrats on your success!

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Re: FU Money Milestone at age 27
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2014, 06:37:18 AM »
RE:train_writer

Yes.  I am planning to change my lifestyle.  However, not suddenly or dramatically.  Over the next few years, I plan to gradually make the following changes:

1.  Move to a more desirable work & living location
2.  Reduce the amount of time spent working from 55-80 hrs/week (current) to 20-40 hrs/week or switch to rotational work.   
3.  Spend more time focusing on ticking line items off my bucket list :)
« Last Edit: February 16, 2014, 06:39:00 AM by Cottonswab »

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Re: FU Money Milestone at age 27
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2014, 06:59:11 AM »
Kinda feel like you blew off the kids advice. I've got a toddler and besides daycare he isn't very expensive. But he will likely be a teenager that eats more than I do, And maybe wants to play hockey or go to Space camp. Who would want to deny their kid these things? 

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Re: FU Money Milestone at age 27
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2014, 07:38:49 AM »
Congrats!  Always invigorating to see someone hit their goals.

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Re: FU Money Milestone at age 27
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2014, 08:10:19 AM »
Congratulations!

What region of the country is your "more desirable work and living location" if you don't mind me asking?

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Re: FU Money Milestone at age 27
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2014, 08:21:18 AM »
Kinda feel like you blew off the kids advice. I've got a toddler and besides daycare he isn't very expensive. But he will likely be a teenager that eats more than I do, And maybe wants to play hockey or go to Space camp. Who would want to deny their kid these things?

He's 27, with a decent stache and desires to still work, but on his own terms.

I think he'll be fine, should he choose to have kids.
I am a former teacher who accumulated a bunch of real estate, retired at 29, spent some time traveling the world full time and am now settled with three kids.
If you want to know more about me, this Business Insider profile tells the story pretty well.
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Re: FU Money Milestone at age 27
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2014, 08:30:40 AM »
Impressive!  Tell us more details...

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Re: FU Money Milestone at age 27
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2014, 09:44:31 AM »
1.  Move to a more desirable work & living location
2.  Reduce the amount of time spent working from 55-80 hrs/week (current) to 20-40 hrs/week or switch to rotational work.   
3.  Spend more time focusing on ticking line items off my bucket list :)


That sounds like a great and thoughtful plan! Remember, for every item you tick off your bucket list, you probably invent 2 more (or so it works for me). Enjoy!

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Re: FU Money Milestone at age 27
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2014, 09:55:02 AM »
Congrats! That's amazing!

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Re: FU Money Milestone at age 27
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2014, 10:11:48 AM »
Congrats!  Living oversees has been a big benefit, no doubt.  I am considering the same in the next few years.  Employer-paid housing, no need for car, etc is a great opportunity to supercharge savings rates.

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Re: FU Money Milestone at age 27
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2014, 02:28:33 PM »
I used to work for a similar company (Big Oil), but hated the job.  The uplift for taking an overseas assignment can be *really* lucrative, especially if you don't maintain a residence stateside.  For the several years I worked there, I kept hoping for an overseas (family-accompanied) assignment, but never had the chance.  If I had, I might be already retired :)

That's awesome that you've reached the point where you feel FI.

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Re: FU Money Milestone at age 27
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2014, 10:23:54 AM »
Great news!.. good for you in making it over the threashold!

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Re: FU Money Milestone at age 27
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2014, 07:06:22 AM »
Nice work.  Financially enlightened 20-somethings truly do have the world at their feet -- I wish I'd been one of them!

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Re: FU Money Milestone at age 27
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2014, 08:44:22 AM »
Gold star for badassity!!

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Re: FU Money Milestone at age 27
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2014, 12:56:44 AM »
Thanks for the congratulations and salutations, everyone!

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Re: FU Money Milestone at age 27
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2014, 05:53:37 PM »
I recently achieved a net worth equal to 25x annual expenses (4% withdrawl rate) at Age 27!  I translate this to mean that I will need to continue working for money in some form or fashion, but with the freedom to leave my current employer at any time and remain unemployed for a few years (i.e., FU Money). 

I still have a ways to go, before reaching my FIRE Money Milestone, which I consider to be roughly 38x annual expenses (2.6% withdrawl rate). 

With the notable exceptions of having been born to intelligent and industrious middle-class parents that paid my way through school, I have not enjoyed any significant windfalls or other unusual benefits that are not available to most other US citizens that attend state universities.  I have achieved this milestone primarily by working hard to obtain employment in a well-paid field, in a well-paid industry, with a subjective merit-based compensation system.  I have not received stock options, bonuses, or anything other than an annual salary that changes year-to-year based on performance, experience, and US labor market conditions. 

Frugality has also played a part in this financial success.  I would not be considered exceptionally frugal by MMM standards.  However, my average annual expenses are significantly lower than those of my peers and co-workers.

Ultimately, my approach to personal finance has been similar to MMM's, and can be summarized as:
  • Make financial independence a high priority (Make as much money as you can, as early as you can!)
  • Enjoy hobbies and interests that are relatively cheap
  • Base purchasing decisions primarily on relative "return on investment" (happiness/cost)
  • Occasionally review and optimize costs, when it is worth the time and effort to do so
  • Do NOT strictly budget expenses or savings (which could limit ability to take advangate of unforseen opportunities and/or cause unnecessary stress)
  • Invest savings with the intention of maximizing long-term risk-adjusted total return, as appropriate for the market conditions (flexible asset allocation) and diversify these investments into businesses (stocks & bonds) or derivatives (ETFs, mutual funds) with transparent risks that I understand.

Congratulations! You are inspiring. I hope to be in your shoes when I'm 27. When I was running the numbers for the 22 year old working at Boeing https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/ask-a-mustachian/case-study-22-year-old-boeing-mechanic/msg227525/#msg227525 , I realized that I would hit FI in 6.5 years if my salary stayed constant over that entire time. I know that I'm going to get a raise when I hit my 1-year mark (raises are handed out like clockwork once a year every year), so it'll be a little faster than that.

Your post could have been written by future me, except for #6. I have a hard time figuring out asset allocation, and it's partially because Mark Cuban hates it. http://blogmaverick.com/2011/01/24/wall-streets-new-lie-to-main-street-asset-allocation/

 

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