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Collector plate brag

Got collectors plate for the 1980 CBX (see username and avatar).
Savings ($40 this year and $93+/year going forward , no yearly tabs required)

Disclaimer:  This bike gets 32mpg, which is excessive, egregious, eminently not mushtachian, and lots of other things that begin with "e"

Other news, my 1993 CBR600F2 will be eligible next year.


References:
https://www.dol.wa.gov/forms/420499.pdf    --- the actual form to take to the licensing office.
"Collector Vehicle acknowledgement (must complete if requesting a Collector Vehicle or Horseless Carriage plate) – The use of collector vehicles is limited to participation in club activities, exhibitions, tours, parades, and occasional pleasure driving. The motor vehicle must be operated primarily as a collector vehicle and be in good running order to qualify. "

https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.18.220  -- law

Or I could have gotten personalized plates for even more money per year than regular plates,   CBX, CBX 6 were available... but my mustaschian muscles were strong so I resisted.
CBX528 or 528CBX were invalid combinations somehow.
https://fortress.wa.gov/dol/extdriveses/NoLogon/_/


Apparently this is well known in collector car/motorcycle circles, but I just found out about it.  But even at MMM fora, it shows up:

hey the search engine worked OK for once !
Previously mentioned collector plates:

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/mustachian-people-problems-(just-for-fun)/msg365783/#msg365783
"In Minnesota you could get collector plates and not have to pay registration tabs any more!  (but you are required to have an additional vehicle)"

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/oldest-car/msg144386/#msg144386
Minnesota cars are eligible at 20 years

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/ask-a-mustachian/anyone-have-an-antique-car-hobby/msg177361/#msg177361
Washington State   The next post (TX) was not as good a deal.

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/ask-a-mustachian/anyone-have-an-antique-car-hobby/msg177387/#msg177387
Missouri 20 years

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/musings-on-my-first-year-of-bike-commuting/msg378883/#msg378883
Wisconsin 20 years old
« Last Edit: June 27, 2022, 07:26:14 PM by markbike528CBX »

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Re: Collector plates are permanent, and don't cost that much.
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2022, 07:48:36 AM »
I did the same thing here in Pa a couple years ago.

I had been dutifully getting my 1988 GTA Trans Am inspected every year ($65) until I finally found out while manning my flea market booth one day, that you could get an antique or a historic license plate, and never need another inspection!!! 

Nobody tells you this stuff, ha ha.   

I think it cost me  $145 to get the new plate, and a new title. I think my auto insurance rate went down, too !

Another thing no one tells you is that here in Pa if you drive less than 5,000 miles a year, you are exempt from the emissions test, on any vehicle. 

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Re: Collector plates are permanent, and don't cost that much.
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2022, 08:44:51 AM »
Dang! DH has a 2002 F150, so I toddled off to Google Land. Unsurprisingly, CA requires a vehicle to be 25 years old to be eligible, whomp, whomp. We do get a discount on our insurance for having very low mileage, but CA offers no breaks on emissions testing. Of course, DH used to walk to work. Now that he's retired, it's possible that he will actually drive a bit more. Happily, we hope to still own it in 2027.

We did spring for vanity plates for our RV, mostly because we thought they might be a fun conversation starter while traveling. Unfortunately the DMV didn't print them as ordered. They omitted the blanks and smooshed the letters together., making it pretty hard to decipher. "What the hell does that mean?" is not a friendly conversation starter. DMV wants eight months to "research" their own mistake. If it's not fixed by the next renewal period, we're just going to turn them back in.

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Re: Collector plates are permanent, and don't cost that much.
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2022, 12:37:20 PM »
My vehicles have been eligible for awhile, but here if you get collector plates you are only legally allowed to drive to/from car shows/special events.  Can't use it for commuting or errands anymore.

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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2022, 12:46:33 PM »
My vehicles have been eligible for awhile, but here if you get collector plates you are only legally allowed to drive to/from car shows/special events.  Can't use it for commuting or errands anymore.
Exactly this in Ohio.  Collector / historical plates after 25 years and the limitations on driving. 


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Re: Collector plates are permanent, and don't cost that much.
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2022, 12:50:10 PM »
Dang! DH has a 2002 F150, so I toddled off to Google Land. Unsurprisingly, CA requires a vehicle to be 25 years old to be eligible, whomp, whomp. We do get a discount on our insurance for having very low mileage, but CA offers no breaks on emissions testing. Of course, DH used to walk to work. Now that he's retired, it's possible that he will actually drive a bit more. Happily, we hope to still own it in 2027.

We did spring for vanity plates for our RV, mostly because we thought they might be a fun conversation starter while traveling. Unfortunately the DMV didn't print them as ordered. They omitted the blanks and smooshed the letters together., making it pretty hard to decipher. "What the hell does that mean?" is not a friendly conversation starter. DMV wants eight months to "research" their own mistake. If it's not fixed by the next renewal period, we're just going to turn them back in.

Sorry about the plate debacle. Hope it turns out in your favor sooner rather than later.

In CA, if your vehicle is old enough, it becomes exempt from smog testing. That's a pricey ritual every 2-3 years. So that's something.

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Re: Collector plates are permanent, and don't cost that much.
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2022, 01:14:10 PM »
Collector plate brag

Got collectors plate for the 1980 CBX (see username and avatar).
Savings ($40 this year and $93+/year going forward , no yearly tabs required)

Disclaimer:  This bike gets 32mpg, which is excessive, egregious, eminently not mushtachian, and lots of other things that begin with "e"

Other news, my 1993 CBR600F2 will be eligible next year.


References:
https://www.dol.wa.gov/forms/420499.pdf    --- the actual form to take to the licensing office.
"Collector Vehicle acknowledgement (must complete if requesting a Collector Vehicle or Horseless Carriage plate) – The use of collector vehicles is limited to participation in club activities, exhibitions, tours, parades, and occasional pleasure driving. The motor vehicle must be operated primarily as a collector vehicle and be in good running order to qualify. "

https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.18.220  -- law

Or I could have gotten personalized plates for even more money per year than regular plates,   CBX, CBX 6 were available... but my mustaschian muscles were strong so I resisted.
CBX528 or 528CBX were invalid combinations somehow.
https://fortress.wa.gov/dol/extdriveses/NoLogon/_/


Apparently this is well known in collector car/motorcycle circles, but I just found out about it.  But even at MMM fora, it shows up:

hey the search engine worked OK for once !
Previously mentioned collector plates:

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/mustachian-people-problems-(just-for-fun)/msg365783/#msg365783
"In Minnesota you could get collector plates and not have to pay registration tabs any more!  (but you are required to have an additional vehicle)"

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/oldest-car/msg144386/#msg144386
Minnesota cars are eligible at 20 years

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/ask-a-mustachian/anyone-have-an-antique-car-hobby/msg177361/#msg177361
Washington State   The next post (TX) was not as good a deal.

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/ask-a-mustachian/anyone-have-an-antique-car-hobby/msg177387/#msg177387
Missouri 20 years

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/musings-on-my-first-year-of-bike-commuting/msg378883/#msg378883
Wisconsin 20 years old

So you own this vehicle and barely drive it, other than to shows and car events?

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Re: Collector plates are permanent, and don't cost that much.
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2022, 02:06:31 PM »
Collector plate brag

Got collectors plate for the 1980 CBX (see username and avatar).
Savings ($40 this year and $93+/year going forward , no yearly tabs required)

Disclaimer:  This bike gets 32mpg, which is excessive, egregious, eminently not mushtachian, and lots of other things that begin with "e"

Other news, my 1993 CBR600F2 will be eligible next year.


References:
https://www.dol.wa.gov/forms/420499.pdf    --- the actual form to take to the licensing office.
"Collector Vehicle acknowledgement (must complete if requesting a Collector Vehicle or Horseless Carriage plate) – The use of collector vehicles is limited to participation in club activities, exhibitions, tours, parades, and occasional pleasure driving. The motor vehicle must be operated primarily as a collector vehicle and be in good running order to qualify. "

https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.18.220  -- law

... snip....

So you own this vehicle and barely drive it, other than to shows and car events?

I'm retired, everything is "occasional pleasure driving".    :-)
I got it in 2004, added 12000 miles, so an average of 666 miles per year... mmmm much less than I thought.   
So yes to your question.

I used to commute 3 miles each way on it occasionally.  (2004-2018)
It is a warm-weather bike, as it runs on 20/50 oil and won't start when the temperature is less than 50F.

As long as I don't get tickets on it on a regular, daily, route, I can't see that anyone would notice.

It has a 6 into 1 pipe and makes glorious noise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgyGJh_3PDY  at 0:35 seconds.
I do have to remember that as a 6 cylinder bike, at the same rev count, 50% more action is taking place than a equivalent 4 cylinder bike.
Exception: At idle it only is turning 800 to 1200 rpm, and I have to remember it is still running, it is so quiet.

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Re: Collector plates are permanent, and don't cost that much.
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2022, 02:20:47 PM »
Dang! DH has a 2002 F150, so I toddled off to Google Land. Unsurprisingly, CA requires a vehicle to be 25 years old to be eligible, whomp, whomp. We do get a discount on our insurance for having very low mileage, but CA offers no breaks on emissions testing. Of course, DH used to walk to work. Now that he's retired, it's possible that he will actually drive a bit more. Happily, we hope to still own it in 2027.

We did spring for vanity plates for our RV, mostly because we thought they might be a fun conversation starter while traveling. Unfortunately the DMV didn't print them as ordered. They omitted the blanks and smooshed the letters together., making it pretty hard to decipher. "What the hell does that mean?" is not a friendly conversation starter. DMV wants eight months to "research" their own mistake. If it's not fixed by the next renewal period, we're just going to turn them back in.

Sorry about the plate debacle. Hope it turns out in your favor sooner rather than later.

In CA, if your vehicle is old enough, it becomes exempt from smog testing. That's a pricey ritual every 2-3 years. So that's something.
In our lovely state, the vehicle must be pre-1975 to avoid smog checks and related fees. Diesel trucks are slightly different, but we don't have one of those either. Not going to happen, but good thought ;-)

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Re: Collector plates are permanent, and don't cost that much.
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2022, 02:50:51 AM »
It's a bit different here in the UK - we don't have renewable "plates" as such, if you're talking about the registration number (the thing displayed front and rear on plates) that's generally assigned to the vehicle from new. There is a market for "cherished" registration plates here, because the plate layout is very strict and contains information on where the vehicle was registered, and in what year.

Our annual costs are: Insurance (mandatory at a basic level to cover third-party claims, or there's other higher levels if you'd like your own property to be protected as well as everyone else's), VED (Vehicle excise duty or "Road Tax") and MOT (referring to the "Ministry of Transport" test that checks the vehicle is roadworthy for at least one day a year). These costs vary, for me I think it's around £250 for insurance, £240 for VED on my normal daily driver car, and about £40 for the MOT test, plus the cost to fix any defect that the test might uncover, which hopefully if I'm maintaining the vehicle properly will be none.

Once vehicles reach a certain age, though, they often (but not always) qualify for "Historic" vehicle status, which means that they're not obliged to have an annual MOT test, and get VED for free. They still need to be insured, but there are a lot of classic-oriented insurance policies that are often much cheaper than a normal one (my classic policy covers three cars, and costs less than the policy that covers the daily driver). And they still need to be roadworthy, even though they don't need to have the annual test.

The main thing that stands out, though, is the limitation on what you can do with a vehicle on "collector plates" over there - and I believe there are similar restrictions in some European countries. Over here in the UK, there is no limitation on usage for a historic vehicle, we're not limited on mileage or only to/from shows or gatherings. The one thing that is creeping in are some cities and urban areas are starting to create ULEZ (Ultra Low Emission Zones) which prohibit vehicles with "higher" emissions from entering, or charge a daily fee for them to do so because, of course, money trumps clean air. My only issue with this (which is theoretical, as I'm not intending to visit any of those places in my classic, or any other car) is that for cars the age of mine, there is no data on the emissions from the manufacturer, because no-one cared back in the mid-70s over here. But I can't present the emissions data from my annual test - if I choose to take one - which would provide data for my actual car. That's "too difficult to manage", presumably.

At this point I'm sure I'm about to be drummed out of the site, as I'm a bit of a classic car enthusiast. Aside from my "modern" daily driver (which just turned 22 years old, and has almost 190k miles on it) I have three classics and am currently restoring another. In terms of emissions, though, none of them do many miles per year, and of course there are way lower emissions from running all my cars than from manufacturing one new EV, so on balance I'm probably OK. And I do cycle, when it isn't too poor weather to do so.

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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2022, 01:13:00 PM »
I keep thinking this when I see this thread.  Thinking you've lost your mind because they're expensive and they break.

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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2022, 03:05:20 PM »
I keep thinking this when I see this thread.  Thinking you've lost your mind because they're expensive and they break.
Me, too!

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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2022, 07:27:05 PM »
I keep thinking this when I see this thread.  Thinking you've lost your mind because they're expensive and they break.
Me, too!
Sorry, I _think_ I fixed the thread name.

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« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2022, 09:29:13 PM »
My vehicles have been eligible for awhile, but here if you get collector plates you are only legally allowed to drive to/from car shows/special events.  Can't use it for commuting or errands anymore.

Same here, can’t even use it for pleasure use unless it’s to a car show.  I met a guy that had a really old Civic, like 1970s maybe, and before they changed the rules about collector plates he drove it everywhere with a set for like $200CDN/year (well less than 1/5th of the regular cost)

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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2022, 03:36:51 PM »
My vehicles have been eligible for awhile, but here if you get collector plates you are only legally allowed to drive to/from car shows/special events.  Can't use it for commuting or errands anymore.

That. An antique car friend insists nobody ever checks but... I'd hate to have an accident though and wind up fending off lawyers chasing the scent of money.

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« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2022, 06:08:36 PM »
Another thing no one tells you is that here in Pa if you drive less than 5,000 miles a year, you are exempt from the emissions test, on any vehicle.

WHAT! How have I never heard this...thank you!

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« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2022, 01:29:22 PM »
update:

I applied for the collector plate, but has yet to arrive.  -- Thread start June 18 2022.
The 2nd temporary tag is about to expire.

Apparently my state has a HUGE backlog of plates, it started before COVID.  I'm not sure what the deal is.