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Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« on: November 25, 2014, 12:21:41 AM »
Title says it all really, for the last six months I have only been showering cold, be it in the morning, after workout and after the sauna anyway.
I started this less for mmm reasons, more because it's just very invigorating.
I feel wide awake and energised.
And on the added plus side, my average shower time has been drastically reduced to little more than a quick rinse. So obviously less hot water is used, but also significantly less water overall.

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2014, 12:44:58 AM »
+1 well done.

Would like to do that. Maybe just need to get over that initial fear factor.

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2014, 03:41:08 AM »
Many years ago, the Bass Straight gas pipe iced up in the middle of winter, and all of Victoria (Australia) was without natural gas for about a month. Very many people use this for heating, hot water and cooking, and we were all reduced to cold showers for that time. I suffered. Some people at work found that work had a gym which had electric showers, so they showered at work for the month, but I was stoic. There were a lot of problems for small businesses - for instance many fish and chip shops went broke. After that, they started to interconnect the gas mains in the various states to one another, but West Australia is still not connected to the rest of Australia, because it's such a long distance.

I will never hear the topic of cold showers without thinking of that time - it was one of the colder winters on record (which is of course one reason why the pipe iced up).

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2014, 04:57:01 AM »
When I read the title, I thought this was about something entirely different than it is.

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2014, 08:11:29 AM »
Well done!  I admit hot showers are one of my weak Estes, but the last few months I have been turning the heat down and timing the length of my showers.   It is better, but I am no where near being at the point of cold showers yet!

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2014, 08:42:54 AM »
LOL @ Rural

I laughed when I reread the title after your comment.

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2014, 08:54:40 AM »
Cold showers rock!

After a month of them last winter, never touching the hot water knob, even through the "polar vortex" business when the water temperature dropped to 39.9F (4.4C), I've settled into taking them every fourth day. Yes, I bought a thermometer to check the water temperature. When the water temperature drops into the 40s and you're staying in the water at least five minutes, you get curious.

One of the best things I've done for myself for more reasons than I can explain, but if you do it you'll understand. It's purely experiential and you learn a lot about yourself. You also pollute less and take zero time from the rest of your life.

Most people never try it and then never find out.

Check out some posts on it -- http://joshuaspodek.com/js_blogseries/cold-showers-rock.

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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2014, 09:12:09 AM »
The added benefit of cold showers is that they also promote weight loss because your metabolism has to increase to keep your body warm.
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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2014, 09:24:14 AM »
I'll have to try this --  I must say you are rocking it!

Try it combined with a navy shower.  1. Get wet turn off,  2.  lather up  3. Rinse quickly.  (I'll give it a try myself)

I only soap my face under arms and privates in the summer and only the face in the winter.   I find that natural body oils really rock.  No shampoo either.

To reduce your shower needs even further (men) shave your arm pits as this greatly reduces the bacteria build up.   In the winter, I can go two days without showers.

Drying is an art as well.   I flick the water off my skin using my hand until most of it is gone.   I then dry off with a 12 by 12 micro fiber towel then air dry.    I wash the towel like every 10 or 20 days. 
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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2014, 03:02:08 PM »
FliXFantatier - do you plan to continue to take cold showers throughout the winter?

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2014, 10:26:53 PM »
Cold showers are great indeed, I'm going on 2 years now.  Winter provides more difficulty but I enjoy the challenge.

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2014, 04:45:19 AM »
FliXFantatier - do you plan to continue to take cold showers throughout the winter?
I haven't considered anything else. ;)

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2014, 07:34:05 AM »
Cold showers are great indeed, I'm going on 2 years now.  Winter provides more difficulty but I enjoy the challenge.

Is there a trick to this?   I've tried in the past.  Our water comes out at 53 from the well year round.  Damn cold.  Prey tell,  what is your method or trick.   Keep the shower room at 90?   I really am not joking as I would like to try this.   

Is there an acclimation period or do you just go cold turkey on the hot showers?   
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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2014, 05:01:15 PM »
Cold showers are great indeed, I'm going on 2 years now.  Winter provides more difficulty but I enjoy the challenge.

Is there a trick to this?   I've tried in the past.  Our water comes out at 53 from the well year round.  Damn cold.  Prey tell,  what is your method or trick.   Keep the shower room at 90?   I really am not joking as I would like to try this.   

Is there an acclimation period or do you just go cold turkey on the hot showers?

53F is tough to do forever, at least for me. That's not painful like the low 40s, when my fingertips turned purple, but it's not pleasant.

When I did my month with only cold water, I think it was below 53 the whole time, but since then, doing them every fourth day, it's easier over the summer when, in New York, the water gets into the 60s. Also, now I don't do a minimum of five minutes like that month.

I found doing them every fourth day balanced my interest in getting the benefits of cold showers in the long term with the discomfort of showers in the low 40s. But I didn't have any tricks besides not doing them every day.

Before I get in, I know that after I get wet, I'll feel invigorated and I do every time, no matter how much my body doesn't want to get in. For me, that's the point, to overcome that challenge. I turn on the water and step in. On my non-cold shower days I can't conceive how I do it, which helps motivate me to take on other challenges that feel impossible yet I know others have done.
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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2014, 12:32:05 AM »
Is there an acclimation period or do you just go cold turkey on the hot showers?
Cold turkey all day everyday!
If I were to start just slowly pushing my toes under the cold water it would be much harder to get under it than just going all in. ;)
I have no idea what our cold water temperature is mind you.

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2017, 02:38:43 PM »
How are you doing? Still cold showering? After 3 years ?
I tried it a week ago, and I start to LOVE it.
It is truly only the state of mind. No pain, just joy. Amazing. No deep breathing needed as I did think I would need.
Even though, I think the water temp at summer might be between 60-70F (need to check, but no temp at home at the moment, need to buy)

The trick is easy - if it cant harm you, just take it. Take a deep breath if needed. Do NOT move away. just simply take it, and think about the moment you finish your goal, it is only the matter of the time. Then you will feel awesome, and will want to repeat it :D

BTW, for YEARS i have been taking hot showers of 100F (!) - thats amazing how easy it was to switch to colder (65F). Will try lower in the winter and update my badassity here.
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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2017, 03:09:19 PM »
How are you doing? Still cold showering? After 3 years ?
Absolutely.
But yea, at the moment the "cold" water coming out of the faucet in LA is quite warm. :p

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2017, 02:06:50 PM »
Still doing them every fourth day.

Summers hardly count, with water above 60F.

Winters are more challenging. This winter I think the lowest the water hit was about 42F, close to my coldest ever of 39.9F (I check with a digital cooking thermometer).

Every time before I start I wonder how long I'll keep doing it... will I really keep doing it my whole life.

Every time after I'm refreshed and invigorated like almost nothing else.

And the value of the vigor is nothing compared to how much it develops the skill of discipline, which applies everywhere in life.

Developing discipline is the greatest value of the practice for me. Cold showers develop discipline as playing scales develops piano playing skills. Not having discipline is a reason to do it. Stuff about benefits to hair, skin, weight loss, and other physical things... those are just guesses with no double blind research backing it up.

Discipline is useful everywhere in life -- to be able to do what you want with intent despite resistance.

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2017, 06:45:25 PM »
Thanks for starting this thread. I've started doing cold showers after reading it and now I'm hooked. The test will be this winter of course.

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2017, 10:02:46 AM »
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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2017, 12:44:42 PM »
60F cold water here, well its not cold, its just cool, but I cant wait till winter, but I think it will be very difficult to go from 60F to 40F, but must be fun..
Funny thing is, first evening I tried 60-70F, I had to breath heavily, third day.. and so on, no problem at all, no need to breath at all..
I have no idea, if it has any positives, other than brag, but anyway... I am just afraid to put it on head, it cant do any harm at all, on hairs area? (face is no problem, neck also safe)
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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2017, 02:00:28 PM »
60F cold water here, well its not cold, its just cool, but I cant wait till winter, but I think it will be very difficult to go from 60F to 40F, but must be fun..
Funny thing is, first evening I tried 60-70F, I had to breath heavily, third day.. and so on, no problem at all, no need to breath at all..
I have no idea, if it has any positives, other than brag, but anyway... I am just afraid to put it on head, it cant do any harm at all, on hairs area? (face is no problem, neck also safe)
Well it wont swing from 60 to 40 over night, so it will be a gradual adjustment. ;)

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2017, 04:13:10 PM »
Have you heard of this dutch guy Wim Hof?  I read about him in this book "What Doesn't Kill Us" by Scott Carney.  He thinks that being in the cold changes your body so that you become stronger. He can control his own body temperature.  He climbed some snowy mountain wearing only shorts and he did it in record time.  He also holds some records for time spent in icy water.  People actually train using his methods and taking cold showers is one of the things you can do.


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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2017, 01:17:14 AM »
But what about rheuma?
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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2017, 06:08:59 AM »
ok, dang you both.  that was ... cold. 

and kind of fun.  :)  deserves a second try tomorrow.  (But I concur:  What's fun in July in a 78F house may not be so entertaining in January in a 66F house.)
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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2017, 09:26:06 AM »
Ponyboy takes cold showers from time to time.  He notices a huge difference in winter vs summer...the water never gets that terribly cold in the summer.

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2017, 07:43:56 PM »
I just got done with a 3 day fast. Nothing but water and toothpaste. Maybe I'll try this next.

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #27 on: August 04, 2017, 08:41:32 PM »
I am right across the equator so cold shower is the perfect choice! Strangely people in the tropics like showering hot at night I guess it's part advertising by heater companies and part a statement of wealth(and nowadays comes with all houses).

I find showering cold super invigorating! One habit I have is shower hot for a minute before turning the heat off and feel the sensation of cold water. Granted cold is not as cold as what you guys have it during winter.

The army shower routine looks sick and will safe lots of money (and help mother earth) .

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2017, 11:11:59 AM »
My doctor told me it has no positive effect, so I did stop it. it is dangerous, because the temp difference between room temp and water temp. Also, even healthy heart does get a huge load of stress by doing this, but kidney can fail under such stress too. Not worth it, imho.
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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2017, 11:33:06 AM »
I go through phases where I take cold showers, then I get lazy and switch to hot for a while. But I really like the cold showers, so invigorating. Even during the lazy times I try to get in the shower and then turn it on so I get 10+ seconds of cold water before the hot water reaches the shower, then I finish with 10-30 seconds of cold.

I even experimented with ice baths last winter. You come out of them feeling so alive, almost euphoric, its indescribable.

I was inspired to try them by Wim Hof https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wim_Hof

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« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2017, 01:28:06 PM »
When I lived in Arizona, sometimes I tried to take cold showers in the summer but the water came out of the "cold" tap at like 90 degrees.

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2017, 01:42:54 PM »
How much do you actually save doing this? MMM optimizes happiness and I can't imagine the cold showers optimizing my happiness unless its saving like 2 bucks a day.

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« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2017, 02:52:57 PM »
For me, cold showers optimize happiness. Any financial savings is icing on the cake.

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2017, 03:08:24 PM »
I always wanted to do cold showers.  It wasn't until I heard an episode on Ben Greenfield's podcast that I started out though:

https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/2017/05/the-oxygen-advantage/

Basically it comes down to breathing and focus.  It's really not that bad after a few tries.  I kinda look forward to them now but it's all about getting that breathing in.  They definitely get easier over time.  As someone once said, you're more afraid of the idea of cold water than the cold water itself.  It doesn't actually hurt, you just think it does.  Let go of the idea of pain and just accept the experience.  You'll live.  And you'll be better for it.

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #34 on: August 16, 2017, 08:12:47 AM »
How much do you actually save doing this? MMM optimizes happiness and I can't imagine the cold showers optimizing my happiness unless its saving like 2 bucks a day.
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« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2017, 03:42:58 PM »
Just wondering, why every fourth day, since you're saying you feel refreshed and invigorated every time ?

Still doing them every fourth day.

Summers hardly count, with water above 60F.

Winters are more challenging. This winter I think the lowest the water hit was about 42F, close to my coldest ever of 39.9F (I check with a digital cooking thermometer).

Every time before I start I wonder how long I'll keep doing it... will I really keep doing it my whole life.

Every time after I'm refreshed and invigorated like almost nothing else.

And the value of the vigor is nothing compared to how much it develops the skill of discipline, which applies everywhere in life.

Developing discipline is the greatest value of the practice for me. Cold showers develop discipline as playing scales develops piano playing skills. Not having discipline is a reason to do it. Stuff about benefits to hair, skin, weight loss, and other physical things... those are just guesses with no double blind research backing it up.

Discipline is useful everywhere in life -- to be able to do what you want with intent despite resistance.

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #36 on: August 27, 2017, 06:48:38 AM »
I've been doing cold showers daily for about a month since seeing this thread. Yesterday I had to use a locker room shower at a gym. I couldn't get the temperature cold enough to feel good. Definitely some adaptation going on.

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« Reply #37 on: August 27, 2017, 11:41:11 AM »
Just wondering, why every fourth day, since you're saying you feel refreshed and invigorated every time ?

Still doing them every fourth day.

Summers hardly count, with water above 60F.

Winters are more challenging. This winter I think the lowest the water hit was about 42F, close to my coldest ever of 39.9F (I check with a digital cooking thermometer).

Every time before I start I wonder how long I'll keep doing it... will I really keep doing it my whole life.

Every time after I'm refreshed and invigorated like almost nothing else.

And the value of the vigor is nothing compared to how much it develops the skill of discipline, which applies everywhere in life.

Developing discipline is the greatest value of the practice for me. Cold showers develop discipline as playing scales develops piano playing skills. Not having discipline is a reason to do it. Stuff about benefits to hair, skin, weight loss, and other physical things... those are just guesses with no double blind research backing it up.

Discipline is useful everywhere in life -- to be able to do what you want with intent despite resistance.

I like hot showers too. I decided on 3:1 after doing only cold showers for a month, so I felt I chose based on experience.

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« Reply #38 on: August 27, 2017, 12:13:31 PM »
As far as voluntary  hardship, has anyone here considered trimming hair with a propane torch?  Taking off fingerprints with an angle grinder?  Gargalling with drain cleaner?

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« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2017, 01:25:51 PM »
I was in the pool!!!

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #40 on: August 27, 2017, 01:55:41 PM »
So I stepped into the shower, eyed the taps for a moment, took a deep breath, and -- turned on the hot water. Hmm. Oh well. I have switched to shaving in cold water, anyway (why did I ever waste hot water on that? No idea.) So maybe next year.

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« Reply #41 on: August 27, 2017, 02:03:40 PM »
Taking cold showers to save money or in the name of "voluntary hardship" just seems unnecessary and strange to me. I'm all for saving money. But saving pennies by taking a freezing shower just doesn't make sense to me at all.

This is coming from a guy who walks to the grocery store (hand carry groceries back) and commutes to work on a bike everyday btw. I also took many UNvoluntary cold showers in the military over 21 years lol. More power to you. I'm all about personal freedom, it's just that cold showers are probably never going to be a thing for me.

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #42 on: August 27, 2017, 03:24:39 PM »
How much does a hot shower cost? I did a rough calculation based on my ideal shower.

10 minutes at 7 litres per minute = 70 litres.

It takes 4200 Joules of energy to heat one litre of water by one degree C. The incoming water needs to be heated by 25 degrees C to reach my desired showerhead temperature. So for 70 litres that's 70 * 25 * 4200 Joules, which equals 7.35 Megajoules.

A kilowatt-hour is 3.6 Megajoules, so my shower would consume 2.05 kWh. At 20 cents per kWh that's $0.41 per shower. If I have this hot shower every day of the year that would cost $150 per year.

To my surprise, the electricity cost is dwarfed by the water cost. I'm on a metered connection at approximately $0.03 per litre (which covers freshwater supply and wastewater drainage). That comes to $766 per year.

Clearly I would save much more by having shorter showers, or by reducing the water pressure, than I would save by reducing the temperature.

PS: My water is heated with gas at about half this cost, but I used my electricity cost for the example because everyone has electricity, and not everyone has a gas supply.


[edit: I just realized I made a factor-of-ten error. My cold water is actually $0.003 per litre, or $76 per year for cold showers. Hot showers, including the cost of the cold water, would be $226 per year. I know this thread is primarily not about saving money, but it doesn't hurt to know the costs incurred.]
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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #43 on: August 28, 2017, 07:40:20 AM »
Taking cold showers to save money or in the name of "voluntary hardship" just seems unnecessary and strange to me. I'm all for saving money. But saving pennies by taking a freezing shower just doesn't make sense to me at all.

This is coming from a guy who walks to the grocery store (hand carry groceries back) and commutes to work on a bike everyday btw. I also took many UNvoluntary cold showers in the military over 21 years lol. More power to you. I'm all about personal freedom, it's just that cold showers are probably never going to be a thing for me.
If you had read some more of the thread you would have seen no one here does it to save money. It's just refreshing. :)

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #44 on: August 28, 2017, 08:47:47 AM »
Only 6 months?  Not badass enough.  Unplug the water heater and go year round.  You either conquer the cold or you get pneumonia.  Sounds like a fair trade to me.

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« Reply #45 on: August 28, 2017, 09:12:46 AM »
Only 6 months?  Not badass enough.  Unplug the water heater and go year round.  You either conquer the cold or you get pneumonia.  Sounds like a fair trade to me.
This thread is almost 3 years old. I have showered cold ~95% of the time since. :p

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #46 on: August 28, 2017, 11:50:06 AM »
How much does a hot shower cost? I did a rough calculation based on my ideal shower.

10 minutes at 7 litres per minute = 70 litres.

It takes 4200 Joules of energy to heat one litre of water by one degree C. The incoming water needs to be heated by 25 degrees C to reach my desired showerhead temperature. So for 70 litres that's 70 * 25 * 4200 Joules, which equals 7.35 Megajoules.

A kilowatt-hour is 3.6 Megajoules, so my shower would consume 2.05 kWh. At 20 cents per kWh that's $0.41 per shower. If I have this hot shower every day of the year that would cost $150 per year.

To my surprise, the electricity cost is dwarfed by the water cost. I'm on a metered connection at approximately $0.03 per litre (which covers freshwater supply and wastewater drainage). That comes to $766 per year.

Clearly I would save much more by having shorter showers, or by reducing the water pressure, than I would save by reducing the temperature.

PS: My water is heated with gas at about half this cost, but I used my electricity cost for the example because everyone has electricity, and not everyone has a gas supply.


[edit: I just realized I made a factor-of-ten error. My cold water is actually $0.003 per litre, or $76 per year for cold showers. Hot showers, including the cost of the cold water, would be $226 per year. I know this thread is primarily not about saving money, but it doesn't hurt to know the costs incurred.]

Heh! I was thinking, man, and I thought Portland water was expensive! :-)

I reckon one shower costs me about 75 cents, about half water & half heating. Not the lowest-hanging fruit on the frugality tree, but not nothing, either.

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #47 on: August 28, 2017, 03:24:43 PM »
If you haven't read Joel Runyon's posts on cold showers or watched his TEDx talk, you're missing out on an exciting approach.

Joel's Cold Shower Therapy: https://impossiblehq.com/cold-shower-therapy

His TEDx talk on how cold showers transformed his life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb0h8ZKvJW4

Another post of his on cold showers: https://impossiblehq.com/cold-showers-excuses

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #48 on: August 29, 2017, 08:48:31 AM »
Well, this morning I actually did it. Oh my God. It's wonderful. An hour's gone by, and the sense of well-being and balance is still strongly with me. I'm a total convert.

And I saved fifty cents :-)

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Re: Cold Showers for the last Six Months
« Reply #49 on: August 29, 2017, 03:11:30 PM »
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