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General Discussion => Share Your Badassity => Topic started by: Transcensionist on October 29, 2014, 06:54:41 AM
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I am new to Mustachianism and it may indeed change my dining out ways. But nonetheless I have a couple Chipotle tips to share that I'll continue to use when I do go back to my favorite dining joint.
Dining solo
Order two tacos. Load them up with ALL the fixings you'd have on your burrito; mainly adding Rice + Beans. These two tacos will tower in size and undoubtedly be mistaken for the standard meal of three tacos (be sure they don't ring the standard price at the register!) Expect to pay $5.25 when pairing these with a cup of water at check out. Filling, satisfying, & so, so good.
With your spouse
Hello Burrito Bowl! Order one of these monstrosities. If you're especially hungry ask for extra rice & beans, add extra meat if your duo is truly famished. Add some chips and your meal will come in at under $10 (expect around $12 if you spring for the extra meat.) Don't forget to ask for an extra empty bowl too. Split the meal down the middle and go to town. This actually feeds three in our family (our two year old is a Chipotle fanatic!)
Maybe $5-6 per person isn't very Mustachian. But if you do find yourself frequenting this place perhaps these tips will save you a few dollars or more each time.
See more Chipotle tips here (Thanks Minimalist!)
"How To Get Huge Portions At Chipotle": http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-get-bigger-portions-at-chipotle-2013-10
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And I thought I was the only one that knew the two taco with beans (and rice if you like their rice) trick. I am not a restaurant person, but sometimes when traveling, convenience is worth the price. I know all the Chipotles on my route from Silicon Valley to Phoenix. Cheapest gas, cleanest bathrooms, and Chipotle!
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Cheers fellow Mustachian! I will say that straying from the usual ordering path is often foreign to the Chipotle workers. I must very clearly state TWO tacos because they may have never heard of such a thing before, or at least act that way. It's sometimes difficult to persuade them why I'm requesting a second (or third with little one in tow) bowl to divide the 1000 calorie (?) meal, but eventually they come around.
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I try to eat at home as much as possible but still find myself in a bind more often than I'd like. In addition to "hacking" the menu at typical fast food places, I always keep a few single servings of almonds at my desk and in my messenger bag. I can either use these to tide me over until I can get home to eat or I can use them to kill my appetite before walking into a restaurant. It's easier to order a tiny meal if you're not starving.
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Great tip. I need to get on board with having healthier snacks like this on hand. Thanks for your input!
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"How To Get Huge Portions At Chipotle": http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-get-bigger-portions-at-chipotle-2013-10
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Good tips, thank you! I agree that you get the service that you project. Smile at your server for a partial hookup. Get good at complimenting people for a huge one.
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I always ask for the free water cup, then fill it with the carbonated beverage of my choice.
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I always ask for the free water cup, then fill it with the carbonated beverage of my choice.
Dislike.
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oh great. extra fat and lard and rice and beans
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I always ask for the free water cup, then fill it with the carbonated beverage of my choice.
Someone needs to read the "cheap vs frugal" post.
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this thread is relevant to my interests. chipotle is one of my anti mustacian vices
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I think this is good. I don't eat out much at all anymore...not so good, too expensive, too much of a pain with kids. But when we travel and need to pick something, we often choose Chipotle if it's an option.
What's wrong with rice, beans, and fat?
Long long ago before kids, I worked for a company that had me renting cleanroom time at a university. I almost never ate out then, either, but would buy lunch on Fridays. One of the grad students I knew gave me a tip - there was a burrito cart outside the cleanroom. It was $5-7 for a burrito. My friend (who is now a coworker 13 years later) told me that if I just get a plate of rice and beans and cheese, it's only $2. Add cheese for another $1.
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This would work...but...I easily finish a bowl by myself.
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"How To Get Huge Portions At Chipotle": http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-get-bigger-portions-at-chipotle-2013-10
That article has a serious mistake. It says "While you'll always pay more for guacamole..."
Vegetable burritos include guacamole. You can even get extra guacamole without paying more. Unless you get the Suffito, or whatever they call the meat-like vegetarian filling. Then you have to pay for the guacamole.
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I always ask for the free water cup, then fill it with the carbonated beverage of my choice.
Instead of paying for anything I just take the burrito and run out the door.
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Freebirds pwns Chipotle.
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Smile and tell the server if you can have a little extra meat. They usually will add more without charging you. Never seen them not do it for you
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I can't believe no one has mentioned the coupons! Every once in a while, we get Chipotle coupons in the mail. My favorite one is for the free chips+guac with the purchase of a burrito (bowl). There is also the buy one get one free burrito bowl option (2 meals for use to split).
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http://www.businessinsider.com/more-food-in-chipotle-burrito-bowl-2013-2
ZOMG! Almost half a pound more if you get the bowl. Best (legal - I'm talkin' at you water-cup-soda burglars) hack EVAR! :-)
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Am I the only one who watched the video and thought the bowl had less of the "quality" ingredients and more rice?
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Instead of paying for anything I just take the burrito and run out the door.
Someone needs to read the "cheap vs frugal" post.
Dislike.
Don't act like you guys have never done something like that haha.
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Instead of paying for anything I just take the burrito and run out the door.
Someone needs to read the "cheap vs frugal" post.
Dislike.
Don't act like you guys have never done something like that haha.
Yes. When I was a kid. Then I was scolded so I wouldn't grow up into a sociopath. That's generally how the process works so that we can keep a well-ordered, civil society. :-)
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Instead of paying for anything I just take the burrito and run out the door.
Someone needs to read the "cheap vs frugal" post.
Dislike.
Don't act like you guys have never done something like that haha.
Actually, no, I haven't. Well, maybe when I was a kid like the other poster.
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I am proud to have never stepped in a Chipotle and never will.
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Me neither. But probably only because they haven't come to Canada.
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I can't believe no one has mentioned the coupons! Every once in a while, we get Chipotle coupons in the mail. My favorite one is for the free chips+guac with the purchase of a burrito (bowl). There is also the buy one get one free burrito bowl option (2 meals for use to split).
A few years ago they had this promotion where you would get a free burrito if you bought $30 of gift cards. You could get whatever you wanted on the burrito - triple meat, guac, basically a $15 value. I bought hundreds of dollars worth of gift cards that year, but when I used them, I would get a side of meat and a side of guac - $4 lunch and filling. Then, when my gift card dipped below $10, I cashed it out (mandatory in CA). That's being cheap, but at least I never tried to just get 3 $10 cards and cash them out immediately! I still can't really go to chipotle.... I'm way too sick of it.
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I ate in one ten years ago--I didn't even know it was a chain. It was good, but it really doesn't occur to me to eat fast food.
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Yes. When I was a kid. Then I was scolded so I wouldn't grow up into a sociopath. That's generally how the process works so that we can keep a well-ordered, civil society. :-)
Actually, no, I haven't. Well, maybe when I was a kid like the other poster.
Well pin a rose on both of your noses. Aren't you guys just sooooooooooo special..
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I ate in one ten years ago--I didn't even know it was a chain. It was good, but it really doesn't occur to me to eat fast food.
Too bad you didn't eat in one 10 years ago then buy the stock right after. You could then afford to eat steak and lobster every night if you so chose.
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I am proud to have never stepped in a Chipotle and never will.
Okay,even though everyone else skipped the trolling, I'll take the bait: Why are you proud of that? (Not why have you never, but why are you proud of it.)
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I ate in one ten years ago--I didn't even know it was a chain. It was good, but it really doesn't occur to me to eat fast food.
While Chipotle is fast food in the sense that it is served quickly, it doesn't conform to the general connotation of fast food - crappy food with tons of oil/fat/unhealthy crap.
Not to say that there aren't unhealthy aspects to a Chipotle burrito, there certainly are. But it's a step up from your run of of the mill fast food like McDonald's, Burger King, etc.
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I am proud to have never stepped in a Chipotle and never will.
Okay,even though everyone else skipped the trolling, I'll take the bait: Why are you proud of that? (Not why have you never, but why are you proud of it.)
Because corporate/fast food is the devil! Just like that foosball
I ate in one ten years ago--I didn't even know it was a chain. It was good, but it really doesn't occur to me to eat fast food.
While Chipotle is fast food in the sense that it is served quickly, it doesn't conform to the general connotation of fast food - crappy food with tons of oil/fat/unhealthy crap.
Not to say that there aren't unhealthy aspects to a Chipotle burrito, there certainly are. But it's a step up from your run of of the mill fast food like McDonald's, Burger King, etc.
I don't actually like chipotle burritos that much. I can get way better burritos in SF and for some reason there's a line out the door everyday at chipotle. First of all, they wrap them way too thick... You basically need a knife and fork. Next, white rice? Yuck, I want yellow Spanish rice! The tortillas are nothing to write home about. The steak is undercooked- they will cook it well if you ask but I don't like holding up said out the door line. The chicken is not breast meat, it has weird bits that are chewy and gross.
The beans are good though, pork yum. Guac is good but cheaper to just bring in a fresh $1 avocado here in CA. Also I love the fajita veggies. But they fry them in vegetable oil, and I subscribe to the Anti-PUFA paleo FUD.
When I ate there, I stuck with the salads mostly, or a side of meat which was a pretty good deal on a small amount of protein (was like $1.70 for a scoop of chicken?)
On the other hand, mcdonalds hamburgers are just ground beef salt and pepper. I used to get a mcdouble plain and just eat the meat. That ended up being $5/lb for ground beef but with the convenience of not having to cook it yourself. Not a terrible markup... They were surely losing money with SF rent and minimum wage at $1 value menu. Alas, the dollar menu is no more so I don't go there. These days I'm just sipping some California olive oil at my desk to hold me until dinner.
Don't worry, I eat plenty of healthy food for dinner
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I am proud to have never stepped in a Chipotle and never will.
Okay,even though everyone else skipped the trolling, I'll take the bait: Why are you proud of that? (Not why have you never, but why are you proud of it.)
Because corporate/fast food is the devil! Just like that foosball
I ate in one ten years ago--I didn't even know it was a chain. It was good, but it really doesn't occur to me to eat fast food.
While Chipotle is fast food in the sense that it is served quickly, it doesn't conform to the general connotation of fast food - crappy food with tons of oil/fat/unhealthy crap.
Not to say that there aren't unhealthy aspects to a Chipotle burrito, there certainly are. But it's a step up from your run of of the mill fast food like McDonald's, Burger King, etc.
I don't actually like chipotle burritos that much. I can get way better burritos in SF and for some reason there's a line out the door everyday at chipotle. First of all, they wrap them way too thick... You basically need a knife and fork. Next, white rice? Yuck, I want yellow Spanish rice! The tortillas are nothing to write home about. The steak is undercooked- they will cook it well if you ask but I don't like holding up said out the door line. The chicken is not breast meat, it has weird bits that are cheery and gross.
The beans are good though, pork yum. Guac is good but cheaper to just bring in a fresh $1 avocado here in CA. Also I love the fajita veggies. But they fry them in vegetable oil, and I subscribe to the Anti-PUFA paleo FUD.
When I ate there, I stuck with the salads mostly, or a side of meat which was a pretty good deal on a small amount of protein (was like $1.70 for a scoop of chicken?)
I haven't searched very hard but I have not found a better burrito than those served by Chipotle.
I always get a bowl, so I don't have any gripes against the tortilla.
They have brown rice if you'd prefer?
I've only ever gotten barbacoa. Never burnt because it is not cooked on a grill. I believe its boiled in water? Not sure exactly. But I've ate at Chipotle for years (cut down a lot since I've turned Mustachian) and never gotten burnt barbacoa.
Yea I like the beans too.
I actually don't like guac very much. I always expect it to be spicy, I don't know why.
I like the taste of fajita veggies, but my digestive system does not >.>
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I am proud to have never stepped in a Chipotle and never will.
Okay,even though everyone else skipped the trolling, I'll take the bait: Why are you proud of that? (Not why have you never, but why are you proud of it.)
Because corporate/fast food is the devil! Just like that foosball
I ate in one ten years ago--I didn't even know it was a chain. It was good, but it really doesn't occur to me to eat fast food.
While Chipotle is fast food in the sense that it is served quickly, it doesn't conform to the general connotation of fast food - crappy food with tons of oil/fat/unhealthy crap.
Not to say that there aren't unhealthy aspects to a Chipotle burrito, there certainly are. But it's a step up from your run of of the mill fast food like McDonald's, Burger King, etc.
I don't actually like chipotle burritos that much. I can get way better burritos in SF and for some reason there's a line out the door everyday at chipotle. First of all, they wrap them way too thick... You basically need a knife and fork. Next, white rice? Yuck, I want yellow Spanish rice! The tortillas are nothing to write home about. The steak is undercooked- they will cook it well if you ask but I don't like holding up said out the door line. The chicken is not breast meat, it has weird bits that are cheery and gross.
The beans are good though, pork yum. Guac is good but cheaper to just bring in a fresh $1 avocado here in CA. Also I love the fajita veggies. But they fry them in vegetable oil, and I subscribe to the Anti-PUFA paleo FUD.
When I ate there, I stuck with the salads mostly, or a side of meat which was a pretty good deal on a small amount of protein (was like $1.70 for a scoop of chicken?)
I haven't searched very hard but I have not found a better burrito than those served by Chipotle.
I always get a bowl, so I don't have any gripes against the tortilla.
They have brown rice if you'd prefer?
I've only ever gotten barbacoa. Never burnt because it is not cooked on a grill. I believe its boiled in water? Not sure exactly. But I've ate at Chipotle for years (cut down a lot since I've turned Mustachian) and never gotten burnt barbacoa.
Yea I like the beans too.
I actually don't like guac very much. I always expect it to be spicy, I don't know why.
I like the taste of fajita veggies, but my digestive system does not >.>
Where are you located? I totally forgot about Barbacoa, whichever is odd because that's my go to item. When done right, I love it. But 10% of the time I'll get a GIANT hunk of fat. Not even tasty fat, more like stringy connective tissue. Gross.
Brown rice??? I guess the issue is I'm comparing chipotle to actual Mexican food (well, really tex mex or cal mex), which it is not
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I am proud to have never stepped in a Chipotle and never will.
Okay,even though everyone else skipped the trolling, I'll take the bait: Why are you proud of that? (Not why have you never, but why are you proud of it.)
Because corporate/fast food is the devil! Just like that foosball
I ate in one ten years ago--I didn't even know it was a chain. It was good, but it really doesn't occur to me to eat fast food.
While Chipotle is fast food in the sense that it is served quickly, it doesn't conform to the general connotation of fast food - crappy food with tons of oil/fat/unhealthy crap.
Not to say that there aren't unhealthy aspects to a Chipotle burrito, there certainly are. But it's a step up from your run of of the mill fast food like McDonald's, Burger King, etc.
I don't actually like chipotle burritos that much. I can get way better burritos in SF and for some reason there's a line out the door everyday at chipotle. First of all, they wrap them way too thick... You basically need a knife and fork. Next, white rice? Yuck, I want yellow Spanish rice! The tortillas are nothing to write home about. The steak is undercooked- they will cook it well if you ask but I don't like holding up said out the door line. The chicken is not breast meat, it has weird bits that are cheery and gross.
The beans are good though, pork yum. Guac is good but cheaper to just bring in a fresh $1 avocado here in CA. Also I love the fajita veggies. But they fry them in vegetable oil, and I subscribe to the Anti-PUFA paleo FUD.
When I ate there, I stuck with the salads mostly, or a side of meat which was a pretty good deal on a small amount of protein (was like $1.70 for a scoop of chicken?)
I haven't searched very hard but I have not found a better burrito than those served by Chipotle.
I always get a bowl, so I don't have any gripes against the tortilla.
They have brown rice if you'd prefer?
I've only ever gotten barbacoa. Never burnt because it is not cooked on a grill. I believe its boiled in water? Not sure exactly. But I've ate at Chipotle for years (cut down a lot since I've turned Mustachian) and never gotten burnt barbacoa.
Yea I like the beans too.
I actually don't like guac very much. I always expect it to be spicy, I don't know why.
I like the taste of fajita veggies, but my digestive system does not >.>
Where are you located? I totally forgot about Barbacoa, whichever is odd because that's my go to item. When done right, I love it. But 10% of the time I'll get a GIANT hunk of fat. Not even tasty fat, more like stringy connective tissue. Gross.
Brown rice??? I guess the issue is I'm comparing chipotle to actual Mexican food (well, really tex mex or cal mex), which it is not
Interesting. I've gotten hunks of fat before, but nowhere near 10%. I've had most of my Chipotle in MD and NY, but now I'm in Atlanta.
Hahaha I guess it's all about expectations. I tried the brown rice, didn't like it. Which is funny because I eat brown rice at home. But it's sticky brown rice. And at home its eaten with food that is decidedly not Mexican.
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Yes. When I was a kid. Then I was scolded so I wouldn't grow up into a sociopath. That's generally how the process works so that we can keep a well-ordered, civil society. :-)
Actually, no, I haven't. Well, maybe when I was a kid like the other poster.
Well pin a rose on both of your noses. Aren't you guys just sooooooooooo special..
For real? Your suggestion is theft, pure and simple. What's so special about not being a petty thief?
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Yes. When I was a kid. Then I was scolded so I wouldn't grow up into a sociopath. That's generally how the process works so that we can keep a well-ordered, civil society. :-)
Actually, no, I haven't. Well, maybe when I was a kid like the other poster.
Well pin a rose on both of your noses. Aren't you guys just sooooooooooo special..
Pretty damn sassy for a noob, GovtWorker. Your attitude needs an adjustment if you want to last around here. The point of getting to FIRE is to do it by being smarter, not by being a cheat.
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Yes. When I was a kid. Then I was scolded so I wouldn't grow up into a sociopath. That's generally how the process works so that we can keep a well-ordered, civil society. :-)
Actually, no, I haven't. Well, maybe when I was a kid like the other poster.
Well pin a rose on both of your noses. Aren't you guys just sooooooooooo special..
Pretty damn sassy for a noob, GovtWorker. Your attitude needs an adjustment if you want to last around here. The point of getting to FIRE is to do it by being smarter, not by being a cheat.
Right, we do things like purchase 1 drink and sit there all day drinking refills while we work on our laptop with free wifi. I mean, they lose money on that too, but it's playing within the rules. :-)
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Yes. When I was a kid. Then I was scolded so I wouldn't grow up into a sociopath. That's generally how the process works so that we can keep a well-ordered, civil society. :-)
Actually, no, I haven't. Well, maybe when I was a kid like the other poster.
Well pin a rose on both of your noses. Aren't you guys just sooooooooooo special..
Pretty damn sassy for a noob, GovtWorker. Your attitude needs an adjustment if you want to last around here. The point of getting to FIRE is to do it by being smarter, not by being a cheat.
Right, we do things like purchase 1 drink and sit there all day drinking refills while we work on our laptop with free wifi. I mean, they lose money on that too, but it's playing within the rules. :-)
Well to be fair you can't break a rule that isn't there. There is nothing saying you can or can't sit in a restaurant or coffee shop for hours after you've already ate.
I see the order water to drink soda thing as a fine line. If you're the type that only drinks like a quarter of a cup and doesn't take a "to-go" drink anyway, I don't see it as an issue to order water, get a little soda, then finish with water. Otherwise, that's $2 going literally down the drain. Now, if you're drinking it by the cup and then taking it to go then that is definitely immoral.
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Yes. When I was a kid. Then I was scolded so I wouldn't grow up into a sociopath. That's generally how the process works so that we can keep a well-ordered, civil society. :-)
Actually, no, I haven't. Well, maybe when I was a kid like the other poster.
Well pin a rose on both of your noses. Aren't you guys just sooooooooooo special..
Pretty damn sassy for a noob, GovtWorker. Your attitude needs an adjustment if you want to last around here. The point of getting to FIRE is to do it by being smarter, not by being a cheat.
Right, we do things like purchase 1 drink and sit there all day drinking refills while we work on our laptop with free wifi. I mean, they lose money on that too, but it's playing within the rules. :-)
Well to be fair you can't break a rule that isn't there. There is nothing saying you can or can't sit in a restaurant or coffee shop for hours after you've already ate.
I see the order water to drink soda thing as a fine line. If you're the type that only drinks like a quarter of a cup and doesn't take a "to-go" drink anyway, I don't see it as an issue to order water, get a little soda, then finish with water. Otherwise, that's $2 going literally down the drain. Now, if you're drinking it by the cup and then taking it to go then that is definitely immoral.
How is there a fine line? When you purchase a soda, it doesn't matter if you fill up the entire cup or get a quarter cup, you're charged the same amount.
Stealing 10 cents worth of product is just as illegal as stealing $2 worth of product.
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Yes. When I was a kid. Then I was scolded so I wouldn't grow up into a sociopath. That's generally how the process works so that we can keep a well-ordered, civil society. :-)
Actually, no, I haven't. Well, maybe when I was a kid like the other poster.
Well pin a rose on both of your noses. Aren't you guys just sooooooooooo special..
Pretty damn sassy for a noob, GovtWorker. Your attitude needs an adjustment if you want to last around here. The point of getting to FIRE is to do it by being smarter, not by being a cheat.
Right, we do things like purchase 1 drink and sit there all day drinking refills while we work on our laptop with free wifi. I mean, they lose money on that too, but it's playing within the rules. :-)
Well to be fair you can't break a rule that isn't there. There is nothing saying you can or can't sit in a restaurant or coffee shop for hours after you've already ate.
I see the order water to drink soda thing as a fine line. If you're the type that only drinks like a quarter of a cup and doesn't take a "to-go" drink anyway, I don't see it as an issue to order water, get a little soda, then finish with water. Otherwise, that's $2 going literally down the drain. Now, if you're drinking it by the cup and then taking it to go then that is definitely immoral.
McDonalds, notably, sometimes has a sign limiting your stay to 30 min or an hour or whatever. Never seen it enforced, so I'm guessing it's really for homeless people.
I agree with others that water to soda is not a fine line. But I will often get the soda water instead of plain water. Now, I ask for a cup for water, and I'm drinking water mixed with CO2, so I see that as more of a fine line. The CO2 cost is so low, I don't think they care, and nobody has ever asked about it. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure Chipoltle has a policy where they don't say anything if you steal soda. I've seen plenty of people do it right in front of an employee and they say nothing. It wouldn't really be good for business to hassle these thieves if you're already buying an $8 burrito.
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Yes. When I was a kid. Then I was scolded so I wouldn't grow up into a sociopath. That's generally how the process works so that we can keep a well-ordered, civil society. :-)
Actually, no, I haven't. Well, maybe when I was a kid like the other poster.
Well pin a rose on both of your noses. Aren't you guys just sooooooooooo special..
Pretty damn sassy for a noob, GovtWorker. Your attitude needs an adjustment if you want to last around here. The point of getting to FIRE is to do it by being smarter, not by being a cheat.
Right, we do things like purchase 1 drink and sit there all day drinking refills while we work on our laptop with free wifi. I mean, they lose money on that too, but it's playing within the rules. :-)
Well to be fair you can't break a rule that isn't there. There is nothing saying you can or can't sit in a restaurant or coffee shop for hours after you've already ate.
I see the order water to drink soda thing as a fine line. If you're the type that only drinks like a quarter of a cup and doesn't take a "to-go" drink anyway, I don't see it as an issue to order water, get a little soda, then finish with water. Otherwise, that's $2 going literally down the drain. Now, if you're drinking it by the cup and then taking it to go then that is definitely immoral.
How is there a fine line? When you purchase a soda, it doesn't matter if you fill up the entire cup or get a quarter cup, you're charged the same amount.
Stealing 10 cents worth of product is just as illegal as stealing $2 worth of product.
I'm not saying you should do it, I'm just saying I wouldn't personally care if someone chose to do that.
McDonalds, notably, sometimes has a sign limiting your stay to 30 min or an hour or whatever. Never seen it enforced, so I'm guessing it's really for homeless people.
I agree with others that water to soda is not a fine line. But I will often get the soda water instead of plain water. Now, I ask for a cup for water, and I'm drinking water mixed with CO2, so I see that as more of a fine line. The CO2 cost is so low, I don't think they care, and nobody has ever asked about it. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure Chipoltle has a policy where they don't say anything if you steal soda. I've seen plenty of people do it right in front of an employee and they say nothing. It wouldn't really be good for business to hassle these thieves if you're already buying an $8 burrito.
Yeah, McDonald's is the only place I've ever seen something like that and I was a little shocked.
To be fair, water also costs something so you're technically "stealing" water from them. Sure, they didn't charge you for it, but just saying.
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Yes. When I was a kid. Then I was scolded so I wouldn't grow up into a sociopath. That's generally how the process works so that we can keep a well-ordered, civil society. :-)
Actually, no, I haven't. Well, maybe when I was a kid like the other poster.
Well pin a rose on both of your noses. Aren't you guys just sooooooooooo special..
Pretty damn sassy for a noob, GovtWorker. Your attitude needs an adjustment if you want to last around here. The point of getting to FIRE is to do it by being smarter, not by being a cheat.
Right, we do things like purchase 1 drink and sit there all day drinking refills while we work on our laptop with free wifi. I mean, they lose money on that too, but it's playing within the rules. :-)
Well to be fair you can't break a rule that isn't there. There is nothing saying you can or can't sit in a restaurant or coffee shop for hours after you've already ate.
I see the order water to drink soda thing as a fine line. If you're the type that only drinks like a quarter of a cup and doesn't take a "to-go" drink anyway, I don't see it as an issue to order water, get a little soda, then finish with water. Otherwise, that's $2 going literally down the drain. Now, if you're drinking it by the cup and then taking it to go then that is definitely immoral.
McDonalds, notably, sometimes has a sign limiting your stay to 30 min or an hour or whatever. Never seen it enforced, so I'm guessing it's really for homeless people.
I agree with others that water to soda is not a fine line. But I will often get the soda water instead of plain water. Now, I ask for a cup for water, and I'm drinking water mixed with CO2, so I see that as more of a fine line. The CO2 cost is so low, I don't think they care, and nobody has ever asked about it. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure Chipoltle has a policy where they don't say anything if you steal soda. I've seen plenty of people do it right in front of an employee and they say nothing. It wouldn't really be good for business to hassle these thieves if you're already buying an $8 burrito.
I suppose. I'm inclined to agree with you because there isn't soda water priced on the menu.
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Yes. When I was a kid. Then I was scolded so I wouldn't grow up into a sociopath. That's generally how the process works so that we can keep a well-ordered, civil society. :-)
Actually, no, I haven't. Well, maybe when I was a kid like the other poster.
Well pin a rose on both of your noses. Aren't you guys just sooooooooooo special..
Pretty damn sassy for a noob, GovtWorker. Your attitude needs an adjustment if you want to last around here. The point of getting to FIRE is to do it by being smarter, not by being a cheat.
Right, we do things like purchase 1 drink and sit there all day drinking refills while we work on our laptop with free wifi. I mean, they lose money on that too, but it's playing within the rules. :-)
Well to be fair you can't break a rule that isn't there. There is nothing saying you can or can't sit in a restaurant or coffee shop for hours after you've already ate.
I see the order water to drink soda thing as a fine line. If you're the type that only drinks like a quarter of a cup and doesn't take a "to-go" drink anyway, I don't see it as an issue to order water, get a little soda, then finish with water. Otherwise, that's $2 going literally down the drain. Now, if you're drinking it by the cup and then taking it to go then that is definitely immoral.
How is there a fine line? When you purchase a soda, it doesn't matter if you fill up the entire cup or get a quarter cup, you're charged the same amount.
Stealing 10 cents worth of product is just as illegal as stealing $2 worth of product.
I'm not saying you should do it, I'm just saying I wouldn't personally care if someone chose to do that.
McDonalds, notably, sometimes has a sign limiting your stay to 30 min or an hour or whatever. Never seen it enforced, so I'm guessing it's really for homeless people.
I agree with others that water to soda is not a fine line. But I will often get the soda water instead of plain water. Now, I ask for a cup for water, and I'm drinking water mixed with CO2, so I see that as more of a fine line. The CO2 cost is so low, I don't think they care, and nobody has ever asked about it. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure Chipoltle has a policy where they don't say anything if you steal soda. I've seen plenty of people do it right in front of an employee and they say nothing. It wouldn't really be good for business to hassle these thieves if you're already buying an $8 burrito.
Yeah, McDonald's is the only place I've ever seen something like that and I was a little shocked.
To be fair, water also costs something so you're technically "stealing" water from them. Sure, they didn't charge you for it, but just saying.
How is it stealing if they are literally giving it to you for free? It's not about how much it costs them. It's about how much they charge you.
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Fun fact: I ate Chipotle two days ago and there is now a sign on the drink tower that says (paraphrasing): "Please don't fill your water cup with soda, you jackass"
GovtWorker must live near me....
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To be fair, water also costs something so you're technically "stealing" water from them. Sure, they didn't charge you for it, but just saying.
Is it stealing if you ask me for a piece of gum and I give it to you? The gum cost me something. Your argument is "technically" asinine.
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To be fair, water also costs something so you're technically "stealing" water from them. Sure, they didn't charge you for it, but just saying.
Is it stealing if you ask me for a piece of gum and I give it to you? The gum cost me something. Your argument is "technically" asinine.
You're right. I'm just saying, not everything legal is moral and vice-versa.
Sure they gave you the water for free - but are you going to back your truck up and load 100 gallons of water up since they "gave" it to you?
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To be fair, water also costs something so you're technically "stealing" water from them. Sure, they didn't charge you for it, but just saying.
Is it stealing if you ask me for a piece of gum and I give it to you? The gum cost me something. Your argument is "technically" asinine.
You're right. I'm just saying, not everything legal is moral and vice-versa.
Sure they gave you the water for free - but are you going to back your truck up and load 100 gallons of water up since they "gave" it to you?
False equivalency alert!
If you ask for a cup of water, and fill it only with water, it is not technically "stealing" as you purported in the original quoted post. Chipotle giving you a cup for water is not implicit permission to "back my truck up" (which wouldn't even work, btw... trucks don't fit into Chipotles, fyi) and fill it.
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To be fair, water also costs something so you're technically "stealing" water from them. Sure, they didn't charge you for it, but just saying.
Is it stealing if you ask me for a piece of gum and I give it to you? The gum cost me something. Your argument is "technically" asinine.
You're right. I'm just saying, not everything legal is moral and vice-versa.
Sure they gave you the water for free - but are you going to back your truck up and load 100 gallons of water up since they "gave" it to you?
EDIT: totally misunderstood your post. But as juuustin said, your argument is completely flawed
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To be fair, water also costs something so you're technically "stealing" water from them. Sure, they didn't charge you for it, but just saying.
Is it stealing if you ask me for a piece of gum and I give it to you? The gum cost me something. Your argument is "technically" asinine.
You're right. I'm just saying, not everything legal is moral and vice-versa.
Sure they gave you the water for free - but are you going to back your truck up and load 100 gallons of water up since they "gave" it to you?
False equivalency alert!
If you ask for a cup of water, and fill it only with water, it is not technically "stealing" as you purported in the original quoted post. Chipotle giving you a cup for water is not implicit permission to "back my truck up" (which wouldn't even work, btw... trucks don't fit into Chipotles, fyi) and fill it.
That cup of water implies unlimited refills, no?
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To be fair, water also costs something so you're technically "stealing" water from them. Sure, they didn't charge you for it, but just saying.
Is it stealing if you ask me for a piece of gum and I give it to you? The gum cost me something. Your argument is "technically" asinine.
You're right. I'm just saying, not everything legal is moral and vice-versa.
Sure they gave you the water for free - but are you going to back your truck up and load 100 gallons of water up since they "gave" it to you?
False equivalency alert!
If you ask for a cup of water, and fill it only with water, it is not technically "stealing" as you purported in the original quoted post. Chipotle giving you a cup for water is not implicit permission to "back my truck up" (which wouldn't even work, btw... trucks don't fit into Chipotles, fyi) and fill it.
That cup of water implies unlimited refills, no?
Yes, but it doesn't mean you can leave the store with more than one cup full of water. The same way that if you buy a soda, they give you unlimited refills, but you're not allowed to just come in with a large container and fill it with soda. You're free to fill your cup right before you leave. Not carry away gallons of soda.
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To be fair, water also costs something so you're technically "stealing" water from them. Sure, they didn't charge you for it, but just saying.
Is it stealing if you ask me for a piece of gum and I give it to you? The gum cost me something. Your argument is "technically" asinine.
You're right. I'm just saying, not everything legal is moral and vice-versa.
Sure they gave you the water for free - but are you going to back your truck up and load 100 gallons of water up since they "gave" it to you?
False equivalency alert!
If you ask for a cup of water, and fill it only with water, it is not technically "stealing" as you purported in the original quoted post. Chipotle giving you a cup for water is not implicit permission to "back my truck up" (which wouldn't even work, btw... trucks don't fit into Chipotles, fyi) and fill it.
That cup of water implies unlimited refills, no?
To achieve unlimited refills, you would need unlimited time. Q.E.D.
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Water is the cheapest thing a restaurant can give away and helps promote/facilitate consuming the food. Restaurants will give you water lagniappe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagniappe) as a goodwill gesture.
Why would you crap on that friendly gesture by returning the favor with theft?
Now before you equate this with the pound-for-pound comparison of a bowl vs burrito, the restaurant is literally deciding at that moment how much to scoop into either vessel. While we may know that we generally get more food in the bowl vs burrito for the same price, that is simply being knowledgeable about the product offerings. The restaurant could (and probably has) inspected the issue to ensure they aren't losing money in the process. That tortilla on the side? Again, it's a lagniappe the restaurant has decided to give a customer. They could always refuse if they wanted to.
When you decide to make a fraudulent request for a cup of water, knowing full well that you intend to consume a costlier beverage, you are both ethically and legally wrong.
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Yes. When I was a kid. Then I was scolded so I wouldn't grow up into a sociopath. That's generally how the process works so that we can keep a well-ordered, civil society. :-)
Actually, no, I haven't. Well, maybe when I was a kid like the other poster.
Well pin a rose on both of your noses. Aren't you guys just sooooooooooo special..
For real? Your suggestion is theft, pure and simple. What's so special about not being a petty thief?
I reply to your comment with the same dumbfoundedness that you replied to mine with... For real? I'm suggesting theft and I'm being a petty thief? They give me the cup for free and there is no rule posted anywhere in my Chipotle saying I have to fill it with water nor has any employee ever told me I couldn't fill it with whatever I wanted.
Pretty damn sassy for a noob, GovtWorker. Your attitude needs an adjustment if you want to last around here. The point of getting to FIRE is to do it by being smarter, not by being a cheat.
I'm sassy and my attitude needs an adjustment? Okay...if you say so.....
Like I said, my Chipotle has no rule saying I can't fill that cup up with soda and I've never been asked not to do it. I'm simply taking advantage of a loophole..which was the purpose of this whole thread. Someone posted tips about how to TAKE ADVANTAGE of Chipotle's serving practices.
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Water is the cheapest thing a restaurant can give away and helps promote/facilitate consuming the food. Restaurants will give you water lagniappe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagniappe) as a goodwill gesture.
Why would you crap on that friendly gesture by returning the favor with theft?
Now before you equate this with the pound-for-pound comparison of a bowl vs burrito, the restaurant is literally deciding at that moment how much to scoop into either vessel. While we may know that we generally get more food in the bowl vs burrito for the same price, that is simply being knowledgeable about the product offerings. The restaurant could (and probably has) inspected the issue to ensure they aren't losing money in the process. That tortilla on the side? Again, it's a lagniappe the restaurant has decided to give a customer. They could always refuse if they wanted to.
When you decide to make a fraudulent request for a cup of water, knowing full well that you intend to consume a costlier beverage, you are both ethically and legally wrong.
Right, and if you're concerned with getting free stuff ethically, try just asking for a free soda (with your order). You may be surprised how often they will say yes.
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Yes. When I was a kid. Then I was scolded so I wouldn't grow up into a sociopath. That's generally how the process works so that we can keep a well-ordered, civil society. :-)
Actually, no, I haven't. Well, maybe when I was a kid like the other poster.
Well pin a rose on both of your noses. Aren't you guys just sooooooooooo special..
For real? Your suggestion is theft, pure and simple. What's so special about not being a petty thief?
I reply to your comment with the same dumbfoundedness that you replied to mine with... For real? I'm suggesting theft and I'm being a petty thief? They give me the cup for free and there is no rule posted anywhere in my Chipotle saying I have to fill it with water nor has any employee ever told me I couldn't fill it with whatever I wanted.
All the Chipotles I've been to the water cup is different from the soda cup and plainly labeled as being for water. What do you want, authoritarian signs posted everywhere and an armed guard at the beverage station? Just because it's on the honor system doesn't mean it's not a rule.
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Yes. When I was a kid. Then I was scolded so I wouldn't grow up into a sociopath. That's generally how the process works so that we can keep a well-ordered, civil society. :-)
Actually, no, I haven't. Well, maybe when I was a kid like the other poster.
Well pin a rose on both of your noses. Aren't you guys just sooooooooooo special..
For real? Your suggestion is theft, pure and simple. What's so special about not being a petty thief?
I reply to your comment with the same dumbfoundedness that you replied to mine with... For real? I'm suggesting theft and I'm being a petty thief? They give me the cup for free and there is no rule posted anywhere in my Chipotle saying I have to fill it with water nor has any employee ever told me I couldn't fill it with whatever I wanted.
All the Chipotles I've been to the water cup is different from the soda cup and plainly labeled as being for water. What do you want, authoritarian signs posted everywhere and an armed guard at the beverage station? Just because it's on the honor system doesn't mean it's not a rule.
I can't read that label haha.. the cup is too small.
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Yes. When I was a kid. Then I was scolded so I wouldn't grow up into a sociopath. That's generally how the process works so that we can keep a well-ordered, civil society. :-)
Actually, no, I haven't. Well, maybe when I was a kid like the other poster.
Well pin a rose on both of your noses. Aren't you guys just sooooooooooo special..
For real? Your suggestion is theft, pure and simple. What's so special about not being a petty thief?
I reply to your comment with the same dumbfoundedness that you replied to mine with... For real? I'm suggesting theft and I'm being a petty thief? They give me the cup for free and there is no rule posted anywhere in my Chipotle saying I have to fill it with water nor has any employee ever told me I couldn't fill it with whatever I wanted.
Pretty damn sassy for a noob, GovtWorker. Your attitude needs an adjustment if you want to last around here. The point of getting to FIRE is to do it by being smarter, not by being a cheat.
I'm sassy and my attitude needs an adjustment? Okay...if you say so.....
Like I said, my Chipotle has no rule saying I can't fill that cup up with soda and I've never been asked not to do it. I'm simply taking advantage of a loophole..which was the purpose of this whole thread. Someone posted tips about how to TAKE ADVANTAGE of Chipotle's serving practices.
It's not a loophole. It's fraud. I don't have to post signs in my house asking you to please not take my stuff if I ask you in for a cup of coffee.
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Yes. When I was a kid. Then I was scolded so I wouldn't grow up into a sociopath. That's generally how the process works so that we can keep a well-ordered, civil society. :-)
Actually, no, I haven't. Well, maybe when I was a kid like the other poster.
Well pin a rose on both of your noses. Aren't you guys just sooooooooooo special..
For real? Your suggestion is theft, pure and simple. What's so special about not being a petty thief?
I reply to your comment with the same dumbfoundedness that you replied to mine with... For real? I'm suggesting theft and I'm being a petty thief? They give me the cup for free and there is no rule posted anywhere in my Chipotle saying I have to fill it with water nor has any employee ever told me I couldn't fill it with whatever I wanted.
Pretty damn sassy for a noob, GovtWorker. Your attitude needs an adjustment if you want to last around here. The point of getting to FIRE is to do it by being smarter, not by being a cheat.
I'm sassy and my attitude needs an adjustment? Okay...if you say so.....
Like I said, my Chipotle has no rule saying I can't fill that cup up with soda and I've never been asked not to do it. I'm simply taking advantage of a loophole..which was the purpose of this whole thread. Someone posted tips about how to TAKE ADVANTAGE of Chipotle's serving practices.
It's not a loophole. It's fraud. I don't have to post signs in my house asking you to please not take my stuff if I ask you in for a cup of coffee.
Buuuuuut, we aren't talking about someone taking things from your house or anyone's house. That is a completely ridiculous over-the-top comparison. We're talking about a guy paying for his food and asking for a free cup, then filling it with liquid from a beverage station.
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Instead of paying for anything I just take the burrito and run out the door.
Someone needs to read the "cheap vs frugal" post.
Dislike.
Don't act like you guys have never done something like that haha.
Actually, no, I haven't. Well, maybe when I was a kid like the other poster.
Not to go totally off-thread, but when my brother was little (7 or 8 maybe, I was about 10 or 11) we were walking through the grocery store past the salad bar. He grabbed a hard boiled egg and popped it in his mouth. My mother grabbed him by the collar (literally) and dragged his sorry hindparts to the manager's office where she made him turn himself in and pay for the egg.
I must not have taken heed. When I was in high school, I skipped school ONCE. She caught me and made me turn myself in. I got a day of in-school-suspension and the shame nearly killed me. Shew... Thanks MOM!
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Yes. When I was a kid. Then I was scolded so I wouldn't grow up into a sociopath. That's generally how the process works so that we can keep a well-ordered, civil society. :-)
Actually, no, I haven't. Well, maybe when I was a kid like the other poster.
Well pin a rose on both of your noses. Aren't you guys just sooooooooooo special..
For real? Your suggestion is theft, pure and simple. What's so special about not being a petty thief?
I reply to your comment with the same dumbfoundedness that you replied to mine with... For real? I'm suggesting theft and I'm being a petty thief? They give me the cup for free and there is no rule posted anywhere in my Chipotle saying I have to fill it with water nor has any employee ever told me I couldn't fill it with whatever I wanted.
Pretty damn sassy for a noob, GovtWorker. Your attitude needs an adjustment if you want to last around here. The point of getting to FIRE is to do it by being smarter, not by being a cheat.
I'm sassy and my attitude needs an adjustment? Okay...if you say so.....
Like I said, my Chipotle has no rule saying I can't fill that cup up with soda and I've never been asked not to do it. I'm simply taking advantage of a loophole..which was the purpose of this whole thread. Someone posted tips about how to TAKE ADVANTAGE of Chipotle's serving practices.
And of course, you've conveniently ignored
Water is the cheapest thing a restaurant can give away and helps promote/facilitate consuming the food. Restaurants will give you water lagniappe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagniappe) as a goodwill gesture.
Why would you crap on that friendly gesture by returning the favor with theft?
Now before you equate this with the pound-for-pound comparison of a bowl vs burrito, the restaurant is literally deciding at that moment how much to scoop into either vessel. While we may know that we generally get more food in the bowl vs burrito for the same price, that is simply being knowledgeable about the product offerings. The restaurant could (and probably has) inspected the issue to ensure they aren't losing money in the process. That tortilla on the side? Again, it's a lagniappe the restaurant has decided to give a customer. They could always refuse if they wanted to.
When you decide to make a fraudulent request for a cup of water, knowing full well that you intend to consume a costlier beverage, you are both ethically and legally wrong.
I can't read that label haha.. the cup is too small.
Uh huh. Sure you can't. But you can read the menu at Chipotle. The label on that water cup at Chipotle that says H2O is just as big (in the sense that it takes up the same portion of your field of view as) the menu at Chipotle.
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Yes. When I was a kid. Then I was scolded so I wouldn't grow up into a sociopath. That's generally how the process works so that we can keep a well-ordered, civil society. :-)
Actually, no, I haven't. Well, maybe when I was a kid like the other poster.
Well pin a rose on both of your noses. Aren't you guys just sooooooooooo special..
For real? Your suggestion is theft, pure and simple. What's so special about not being a petty thief?
I reply to your comment with the same dumbfoundedness that you replied to mine with... For real? I'm suggesting theft and I'm being a petty thief? They give me the cup for free and there is no rule posted anywhere in my Chipotle saying I have to fill it with water nor has any employee ever told me I couldn't fill it with whatever I wanted.
Pretty damn sassy for a noob, GovtWorker. Your attitude needs an adjustment if you want to last around here. The point of getting to FIRE is to do it by being smarter, not by being a cheat.
I'm sassy and my attitude needs an adjustment? Okay...if you say so.....
Like I said, my Chipotle has no rule saying I can't fill that cup up with soda and I've never been asked not to do it. I'm simply taking advantage of a loophole..which was the purpose of this whole thread. Someone posted tips about how to TAKE ADVANTAGE of Chipotle's serving practices.
It's not a loophole. It's fraud. I don't have to post signs in my house asking you to please not take my stuff if I ask you in for a cup of coffee.
Buuuuuut, we aren't talking about someone taking things from your house or anyone's house. That is a completely ridiculous over-the-top comparison. We're talking about a guy paying for his food and asking for a free cup, then filling it with liquid from a beverage station.
It's not ridiculous or over the top. You're trying to fabricate a level of nuance that doesn't exist in this situation in order to ameliorate your guilt. This is fraud. I'm really concerned that someone working in government has a faulty compass on this issue.
The ONLY way this wouldn't be fraud is if you walked to the counter and stated "I would like a free water cup so that I can go to the soda fountain and fill it with soda please." If the restaurant allows it, you're in the clear.
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Uh huh. Sure you can't. But you can read the menu at Chipotle. The label on that water cup at Chipotle that says H2O is just as big (in the sense that it takes up the same portion of your field of view as) the menu at Chipotle.
Nope, can't read it. Maybe I could read it if they made the free cup larger.
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Yes. When I was a kid. Then I was scolded so I wouldn't grow up into a sociopath. That's generally how the process works so that we can keep a well-ordered, civil society. :-)
Actually, no, I haven't. Well, maybe when I was a kid like the other poster.
Well pin a rose on both of your noses. Aren't you guys just sooooooooooo special..
For real? Your suggestion is theft, pure and simple. What's so special about not being a petty thief?
I reply to your comment with the same dumbfoundedness that you replied to mine with... For real? I'm suggesting theft and I'm being a petty thief? They give me the cup for free and there is no rule posted anywhere in my Chipotle saying I have to fill it with water nor has any employee ever told me I couldn't fill it with whatever I wanted.
Pretty damn sassy for a noob, GovtWorker. Your attitude needs an adjustment if you want to last around here. The point of getting to FIRE is to do it by being smarter, not by being a cheat.
I'm sassy and my attitude needs an adjustment? Okay...if you say so.....
Like I said, my Chipotle has no rule saying I can't fill that cup up with soda and I've never been asked not to do it. I'm simply taking advantage of a loophole..which was the purpose of this whole thread. Someone posted tips about how to TAKE ADVANTAGE of Chipotle's serving practices.
It's not a loophole. It's fraud. I don't have to post signs in my house asking you to please not take my stuff if I ask you in for a cup of coffee.
Buuuuuut, we aren't talking about someone taking things from your house or anyone's house. That is a completely ridiculous over-the-top comparison. We're talking about a guy paying for his food and asking for a free cup, then filling it with liquid from a beverage station.
It's not ridiculous or over the top. You're trying to fabricate a level of nuance that doesn't exist in this situation in order to ameliorate your guilt. This is fraud. I'm really concerned that someone working in government has a faulty compass on this issue.
The ONLY way this wouldn't be fraud is if you walked to the counter and stated "I would like a free water cup so that I can go to the soda fountain and fill it with soda please." If the restaurant allows it, you're in the clear.
I see that you have some really strong feelings about the cup situation. I think...you should get dressed up in your Moral Police shirt, drive to your nearest Chipotle and stand guard at the soda station. You can tattle on everyone that commits "fraud."
And yes, I do work for the govt. In fact, they have deemed me a pretty trustworthy guy, which you would agree with if you actually knew me. They tend to give the stink eye to the guy who uses words like "ameliorate," says he's never taken a pen from work, browsed the interweb while on the clock, made a personal phone call while at work, etc. and you seem to be that kind of guy, given your strong stance on the cup situation. You sound like the type of guy that walks up to your boss and tells him/her how terrible you feel about that extra 3 minutes and 27 seconds you spent on lunch break.
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Water is the cheapest thing a restaurant can give away and helps promote/facilitate consuming the food. Restaurants will give you water lagniappe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagniappe) as a goodwill gesture.
Why would you crap on that friendly gesture by returning the favor with theft?
Now before you equate this with the pound-for-pound comparison of a bowl vs burrito, the restaurant is literally deciding at that moment how much to scoop into either vessel. While we may know that we generally get more food in the bowl vs burrito for the same price, that is simply being knowledgeable about the product offerings. The restaurant could (and probably has) inspected the issue to ensure they aren't losing money in the process. That tortilla on the side? Again, it's a lagniappe the restaurant has decided to give a customer. They could always refuse if they wanted to.
When you decide to make a fraudulent request for a cup of water, knowing full well that you intend to consume a costlier beverage, you are both ethically and legally wrong.
Right? I feel like this is incredibly straightforward and obvious, so much so that I can't even believe this conversation is happening! The only explanation is the GovtWorker is a troll...
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I see that you have some really strong feelings about the cup situation. I think...you should get dressed up in your Moral Police shirt, drive to your nearest Chipotle and stand guard at the soda station. You can tattle on everyone that commits "fraud."
And yes, I do work for the govt. In fact, they have deemed me a pretty trustworthy guy, which you would agree with if you actually knew me. They tend to give the stink eye to the guy who uses words like "ameliorate," says he's never taken a pen from work, browsed the interweb while on the clock, made a personal phone call while at work, etc. and you seem to be that kind of guy, given your strong stance on the cup situation. You sound like the type of guy that walks up to your boss and tells him/her how terrible you feel about that extra 3 minutes and 27 seconds you spent on lunch break.
Jesus Christ... this guy, taking our tax dollars and browsing the Internet at work!
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Uh huh. Sure you can't. But you can read the menu at Chipotle. The label on that water cup at Chipotle that says H2O is just as big (in the sense that it takes up the same portion of your field of view as) the menu at Chipotle.
Nope, can't read it. Maybe I could read it if they made the free cup larger.
Even you know that you're lying. It's not like it's written in fine print.
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Yes. When I was a kid. Then I was scolded so I wouldn't grow up into a sociopath. That's generally how the process works so that we can keep a well-ordered, civil society. :-)
Actually, no, I haven't. Well, maybe when I was a kid like the other poster.
Well pin a rose on both of your noses. Aren't you guys just sooooooooooo special..
For real? Your suggestion is theft, pure and simple. What's so special about not being a petty thief?
I reply to your comment with the same dumbfoundedness that you replied to mine with... For real? I'm suggesting theft and I'm being a petty thief? They give me the cup for free and there is no rule posted anywhere in my Chipotle saying I have to fill it with water nor has any employee ever told me I couldn't fill it with whatever I wanted.
Pretty damn sassy for a noob, GovtWorker. Your attitude needs an adjustment if you want to last around here. The point of getting to FIRE is to do it by being smarter, not by being a cheat.
I'm sassy and my attitude needs an adjustment? Okay...if you say so.....
Like I said, my Chipotle has no rule saying I can't fill that cup up with soda and I've never been asked not to do it. I'm simply taking advantage of a loophole..which was the purpose of this whole thread. Someone posted tips about how to TAKE ADVANTAGE of Chipotle's serving practices.
It's not a loophole. It's fraud. I don't have to post signs in my house asking you to please not take my stuff if I ask you in for a cup of coffee.
Buuuuuut, we aren't talking about someone taking things from your house or anyone's house. That is a completely ridiculous over-the-top comparison. We're talking about a guy paying for his food and asking for a free cup, then filling it with liquid from a beverage station.
It's not ridiculous or over the top. You're trying to fabricate a level of nuance that doesn't exist in this situation in order to ameliorate your guilt. This is fraud. I'm really concerned that someone working in government has a faulty compass on this issue.
The ONLY way this wouldn't be fraud is if you walked to the counter and stated "I would like a free water cup so that I can go to the soda fountain and fill it with soda please." If the restaurant allows it, you're in the clear.
My thoughts exactly.
Come on, dude. You know the free cup is intended for water. And if you are going to drink soda, you need to pay for the soda. Doing otherwise is simply dishonest, plain and simple. It is a crummy thing to do.
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Yes. When I was a kid. Then I was scolded so I wouldn't grow up into a sociopath. That's generally how the process works so that we can keep a well-ordered, civil society. :-)
Actually, no, I haven't. Well, maybe when I was a kid like the other poster.
Well pin a rose on both of your noses. Aren't you guys just sooooooooooo special..
For real? Your suggestion is theft, pure and simple. What's so special about not being a petty thief?
I reply to your comment with the same dumbfoundedness that you replied to mine with... For real? I'm suggesting theft and I'm being a petty thief? They give me the cup for free and there is no rule posted anywhere in my Chipotle saying I have to fill it with water nor has any employee ever told me I couldn't fill it with whatever I wanted.
Pretty damn sassy for a noob, GovtWorker. Your attitude needs an adjustment if you want to last around here. The point of getting to FIRE is to do it by being smarter, not by being a cheat.
I'm sassy and my attitude needs an adjustment? Okay...if you say so.....
Like I said, my Chipotle has no rule saying I can't fill that cup up with soda and I've never been asked not to do it. I'm simply taking advantage of a loophole..which was the purpose of this whole thread. Someone posted tips about how to TAKE ADVANTAGE of Chipotle's serving practices.
It's not a loophole. It's fraud. I don't have to post signs in my house asking you to please not take my stuff if I ask you in for a cup of coffee.
Buuuuuut, we aren't talking about someone taking things from your house or anyone's house. That is a completely ridiculous over-the-top comparison. We're talking about a guy paying for his food and asking for a free cup, then filling it with liquid from a beverage station.
It's not ridiculous or over the top. You're trying to fabricate a level of nuance that doesn't exist in this situation in order to ameliorate your guilt. This is fraud. I'm really concerned that someone working in government has a faulty compass on this issue.
The ONLY way this wouldn't be fraud is if you walked to the counter and stated "I would like a free water cup so that I can go to the soda fountain and fill it with soda please." If the restaurant allows it, you're in the clear.
My thoughts exactly.
Come on, dude. You know the free cup is intended for water. And if you are going to drink soda, you need to pay for the soda. Doing otherwise is simply dishonest, plain and simple. It is a crummy thing to do.
Spitting on someone is a pretty crummy thing to do. Taking the cup that was given to me for free and filling it with something other than water just isn't something I would judge someone over.
But hey, there is no arguing with you all. Apparently, I'm a sociopathic, fraud committing, dishonest, petty thief troll who has a sassy attitude in need of adjustment because I don't fill my water cup with water haha.
I'll send a heart felt apology letter to Chipotle.
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I'm a sociopathic, fraud committing, dishonest, petty thief troll who has a sassy attitude in need of adjustment
QFT
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I'm a sociopathic, fraud committing, dishonest, petty thief troll who has a sassy attitude in need of adjustment
QFT
+1.
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Tortilla on the side of burrito bowl has worked for me at three locations so far, I have never been refused.
Another tip for those flexitarians or vegetarians out there - get a vegetarian burrito bowl and you get guacamole included (as much as you'd like), so you don't have to pay for a side of guac. Just politely ask for more guac.
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If you really want the best bang for your buck, use the chipotle tabasco sauce liberally on your burrito.
That stuff is like $4 for a small bottle in the grocery store.
I always use about 5 bottles per visit to get the best deal possible.
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I see that you have some really strong feelings about the cup situation. I think...you should get dressed up in your Moral Police shirt, drive to your nearest Chipotle and stand guard at the soda station. You can tattle on everyone that commits "fraud."
And yes, I do work for the govt. In fact, they have deemed me a pretty trustworthy guy, which you would agree with if you actually knew me. They tend to give the stink eye to the guy who uses words like "ameliorate," says he's never taken a pen from work, browsed the interweb while on the clock, made a personal phone call while at work, etc. and you seem to be that kind of guy, given your strong stance on the cup situation. You sound like the type of guy that walks up to your boss and tells him/her how terrible you feel about that extra 3 minutes and 27 seconds you spent on lunch break.
Jesus Christ... this guy, taking our tax dollars and browsing the Internet at work!
I dunno, I'm thinking about it more and I like to think he works for the IRS.
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I see that you have some really strong feelings about the cup situation. I think...you should get dressed up in your Moral Police shirt, drive to your nearest Chipotle and stand guard at the soda station. You can tattle on everyone that commits "fraud."
And yes, I do work for the govt. In fact, they have deemed me a pretty trustworthy guy, which you would agree with if you actually knew me. They tend to give the stink eye to the guy who uses words like "ameliorate," says he's never taken a pen from work, browsed the interweb while on the clock, made a personal phone call while at work, etc. and you seem to be that kind of guy, given your strong stance on the cup situation. You sound like the type of guy that walks up to your boss and tells him/her how terrible you feel about that extra 3 minutes and 27 seconds you spent on lunch break.
Jesus Christ... this guy, taking our tax dollars and browsing the Internet at work!
I dunno, I'm thinking about it more and I like to think he works for the IRS.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists
http://nyu.spoonuniversity.com/food-thought/upgrade-chipotle-experience/
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I see that you have some really strong feelings about the cup situation. I think...you should get dressed up in your Moral Police shirt, drive to your nearest Chipotle and stand guard at the soda station. You can tattle on everyone that commits "fraud."
And yes, I do work for the govt. In fact, they have deemed me a pretty trustworthy guy, which you would agree with if you actually knew me. They tend to give the stink eye to the guy who uses words like "ameliorate," says he's never taken a pen from work, browsed the interweb while on the clock, made a personal phone call while at work, etc. and you seem to be that kind of guy, given your strong stance on the cup situation. You sound like the type of guy that walks up to your boss and tells him/her how terrible you feel about that extra 3 minutes and 27 seconds you spent on lunch break.
Jesus Christ... this guy, taking our tax dollars and browsing the Internet at work!
I dunno, I'm thinking about it more and I like to think he works for the IRS.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists
http://nyu.spoonuniversity.com/food-thought/upgrade-chipotle-experience/
Psycho narcissist or not, I like the idea that this guy from the IRS has loose morals and therefore accepts them in others. He's the guy you want auditing you when your argument is, "Okay, there's nothing saying you can take this deduction but there's no rule telling you not to..." or, "Well, the tax code is so long that I can't read the whole thing..."
(Am I the only one for whom that 'order vegetarian to get free guacamole' "tip" isn't a revelation? It's right on the menu.)
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(Am I the only one for whom that 'order vegetarian to get free guacamole' "tip" isn't a revelation? It's right on the menu.)
I knew that as well, but I don't even understand it as a tip.
That means I don't get meat, right? What the hell's the point of eating there then?
You want me to trade the meat for guacamole? Uh, no. If there was a veggie burrito and you needed to pay $1 to add meat, I would. I wouldn't pay the $1 to add guac. Meat > guac. This tip is useless for someone who likes meat, and for someone who doesn't, they're already going to be ordering the vegetarian option anyways! So who does this tip help? Again, I just don't understand the tip.
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Yes. When I was a kid. Then I was scolded so I wouldn't grow up into a sociopath. That's generally how the process works so that we can keep a well-ordered, civil society. :-)
Actually, no, I haven't. Well, maybe when I was a kid like the other poster.
Well pin a rose on both of your noses. Aren't you guys just sooooooooooo special..
For real? Your suggestion is theft, pure and simple. What's so special about not being a petty thief?
I reply to your comment with the same dumbfoundedness that you replied to mine with... For real? I'm suggesting theft and I'm being a petty thief? They give me the cup for free and there is no rule posted anywhere in my Chipotle saying I have to fill it with water nor has any employee ever told me I couldn't fill it with whatever I wanted.
Pretty damn sassy for a noob, GovtWorker. Your attitude needs an adjustment if you want to last around here. The point of getting to FIRE is to do it by being smarter, not by being a cheat.
I'm sassy and my attitude needs an adjustment? Okay...if you say so.....
Like I said, my Chipotle has no rule saying I can't fill that cup up with soda and I've never been asked not to do it. I'm simply taking advantage of a loophole..which was the purpose of this whole thread. Someone posted tips about how to TAKE ADVANTAGE of Chipotle's serving practices.
It's not a loophole. It's fraud. I don't have to post signs in my house asking you to please not take my stuff if I ask you in for a cup of coffee.
Buuuuuut, we aren't talking about someone taking things from your house or anyone's house. That is a completely ridiculous over-the-top comparison. We're talking about a guy paying for his food and asking for a free cup, then filling it with liquid from a beverage station.
It's not ridiculous or over the top. You're trying to fabricate a level of nuance that doesn't exist in this situation in order to ameliorate your guilt. This is fraud. I'm really concerned that someone working in government has a faulty compass on this issue.
The ONLY way this wouldn't be fraud is if you walked to the counter and stated "I would like a free water cup so that I can go to the soda fountain and fill it with soda please." If the restaurant allows it, you're in the clear.
My thoughts exactly.
Come on, dude. You know the free cup is intended for water. And if you are going to drink soda, you need to pay for the soda. Doing otherwise is simply dishonest, plain and simple. It is a crummy thing to do.
Spitting on someone is a pretty crummy thing to do. Taking the cup that was given to me for free and filling it with something other than water just isn't something I would judge someone over.
But hey, there is no arguing with you all. Apparently, I'm a sociopathic, fraud committing, dishonest, petty thief troll who has a sassy attitude in need of adjustment because I don't fill my water cup with water haha.
I'll send a heart felt apology letter to Chipotle.
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/5b/5b7e0fdd39178dc8d4148618607fc96fb8908a1ea62c04119630f50f349c4ce1.jpg)
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LOL - I'll say...
Pretty straight and narrow crowd here in this thread.
Better not let any of them catch you taking more than one sample from the sample cart at Costco or doing a rolling stop thru a stop sign on a deserted road somewhere...you know, things that people should be put in jail for..
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(Am I the only one for whom that 'order vegetarian to get free guacamole' "tip" isn't a revelation? It's right on the menu.)
I knew that as well, but I don't even understand it as a tip.
That means I don't get meat, right? What the hell's the point of eating there then?
You want me to trade the meat for guacamole? Uh, no. If there was a veggie burrito and you needed to pay $1 to add meat, I would. I wouldn't pay the $1 to add guac. Meat > guac. This tip is useless for someone who likes meat, and for someone who doesn't, they're already going to be ordering the vegetarian option anyways! So who does this tip help? Again, I just don't understand the tip.
Guys, this 1 weird tip can save you hundreds at chipotle. You can get FREE RICE on any burrito! Just ask.
If you really want the best bang for your buck, use the chipotle tabasco sauce liberally on your burrito.
That stuff is like $4 for a small bottle in the grocery store.
I always use about 5 bottles per visit to get the best deal possible.
It would be wrong to outright take five bottles. But there's no rule saying you can't fill your water cup with hot sauce and re bottle it later at home.
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(Am I the only one for whom that 'order vegetarian to get free guacamole' "tip" isn't a revelation? It's right on the menu.)
I knew that as well, but I don't even understand it as a tip.
That means I don't get meat, right? What the hell's the point of eating there then?
You want me to trade the meat for guacamole? Uh, no. If there was a veggie burrito and you needed to pay $1 to add meat, I would. I wouldn't pay the $1 to add guac. Meat > guac. This tip is useless for someone who likes meat, and for someone who doesn't, they're already going to be ordering the vegetarian option anyways! So who does this tip help? Again, I just don't understand the tip.
I think there were vegetarians who were saying 'no' when the servers asked if they wanted guacamole, because they didn't want to pay extra, not realizing it was free.
Further proof that vegetarianism addles the brain.
(Confession: I always order the vegetarian. I get plenty of meat at home and avocados are expensive/not very good here, so gobs of good quality guac > meat for me in this particular circumstance. Perhaps the sunny climes of Nevada and its proximity to the lovely produce of CA and Mexico affects your preference.)
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bahahaha dragoncar pretty much everything you say cracks me up. thanks for the Friday LOLZ
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bahahaha dragoncar pretty much everything you say cracks me up. thanks for the Friday LOLZ
+1. Dragoncar has stepped up her game over the past few months.
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(Am I the only one for whom that 'order vegetarian to get free guacamole' "tip" isn't a revelation? It's right on the menu.)
I knew that as well, but I don't even understand it as a tip.
That means I don't get meat, right? What the hell's the point of eating there then?
You want me to trade the meat for guacamole? Uh, no. If there was a veggie burrito and you needed to pay $1 to add meat, I would. I wouldn't pay the $1 to add guac. Meat > guac. This tip is useless for someone who likes meat, and for someone who doesn't, they're already going to be ordering the vegetarian option anyways! So who does this tip help? Again, I just don't understand the tip.
I think there were vegetarians who were saying 'no' when the servers asked if they wanted guacamole, because they didn't want to pay extra, not realizing it was free. No, they either didn't want to get incorrectly charged for it, or be forced to argue with the Chipotle staffer who doesn't know the rules. Total PITA.
Further proof that vegetarianism addles the brain. I agree my brain is addled, but I think it's the sheer joy of FIRE, not vegetarianism.
(Confession: I always order the vegetarian. I get plenty of meat at home and avocados are expensive/not very good here, so gobs of good quality guac > meat for me in this particular circumstance. Perhaps the sunny climes of Nevada and its proximity to the lovely produce of CA and Mexico affects your preference.) I buy my avocados at Costco (every Tuesday is Taco Tuesday at our house), where I liberally help myself to any non-meat samples available, because they GIVE them to me.
We used to live near a Chipotle and it was our go-to quick meal, especially when we were prepping the house for sale. Since moving a year ago, we have been there only once or twice. We went last week and I noticed that the portions were smaller. Oh well, the chips still rock.
And dragoncar, I'll never look at that rack of hot sauce again without thinking of you.
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Wow, apparently I forgot to check back on this thread so I stopped getting notifications and it blew up a little. I guess mustachians love their Chipotle.
Is it a common thing to do the 'quote quote quote quote block of text quote quote' thing here? It looks a little ridiculous trying to catch up on a thread to have to sift through all those blocks of the same words being re-posted over and over.
Anyway. I also asked an employee once when it was my birthday if they did anything special for that. She wasn't sure and called the manager over even though I said it was no biggie, just curious since they did the boorito giveaway on Halloween. He asked to see my ID then comp'd my meal. Rock on Chipotle.
I also tried the smile at the staff tip last time and got a huge meat hookup. Recommended.
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Is it a common thing to do the 'quote quote quote quote block of text quote quote' thing here? It looks a little ridiculous trying to catch up on a thread to have to sift through all those blocks of the same words being re-posted over and over.
It has a blue box around the background so you can easily skim past it, or glance at it to see what they're replying to.
I try to only quote one or two posts at most, and delete the other embedded ones, but sometimes I get lazy.
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Is it a common thing to do the 'quote quote quote quote block of text quote quote' thing here? It looks a little ridiculous trying to catch up on a thread to have to sift through all those blocks of the same words being re-posted over and over.
It has a blue box around the background so you can easily skim past it, or glance at it to see what they're replying to.
I try to only quote one or two posts at most, and delete the other embedded ones, but sometimes I get lazy.
It makes it much easier to see which conversation you're replying to when there are a couple of themes going in a thread too. Like ARS said, if you don't want to read the quotes just skip over the blue boxes.
Blue boxes. Black boxes. Orange boxes. Haven't we ... wait. Sorry.
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Is it a common thing to do the 'quote quote quote quote block of text quote quote' thing here? It looks a little ridiculous trying to catch up on a thread to have to sift through all those blocks of the same words being re-posted over and over.
It has a blue box around the background so you can easily skim past it, or glance at it to see what they're replying to.
I try to only quote one or two posts at most, and delete the other embedded ones, but sometimes I get lazy.
Easy to skim, but more of a pain on mobile. But on mobile it's a pain to accurately remove nested quotes, so I quote everything. Some people delete/edit their posts, so I like to quote for posterity.
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Yea when I quote I generally quote everything, because sometimes when I cut stuff out I end up attributing quotes to the wrong user.
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Yes. When I was a kid. Then I was scolded so I wouldn't grow up into a sociopath. That's generally how the process works so that we can keep a well-ordered, civil society. :-)
Actually, no, I haven't. Well, maybe when I was a kid like the other poster.
Well pin a rose on both of your noses. Aren't you guys just sooooooooooo special..
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
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Yea when I quote I generally quote everything, because sometimes when I cut stuff out I end up attributing quotes to the wrong user.
Who are you even talking to right now?
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Yea when I quote I generally quote everything, because sometimes when I cut stuff out I end up attributing quotes to the wrong user.
Who are you even talking to right now?
Is it a common thing to do the 'quote quote quote quote block of text quote quote' thing here? It looks a little ridiculous trying to catch up on a thread to have to sift through all those blocks of the same words being re-posted over and over.
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I always ask for the free water cup, then fill it with the carbonated beverage of my choice.
My friend's Dad used to say, " If you are going to steal, steal big. Either way you are a thief."
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Yea when I quote I generally quote everything, because sometimes when I cut stuff out I end up attributing quotes to the wrong user.
Who are you even talking to right now?
Is it a common thing to do the 'quote quote quote quote block of text quote quote' thing here? It looks a little ridiculous trying to catch up on a thread to have to sift through all those blocks of the same words being re-posted over and over.
Dragoncar was making a joke that she didn't understand what you were talking about because you didn't quote anyone.
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Smile and tell the server if you can have a little extra meat. They usually will add more without charging you. Never seen them not do it for you
I tend to ask for half barbacoa, half carnitas. I usually end up with something like 65% barbacoa, 65% carnitas. The extra meat is not why I do it -- I just like both kinds -- but I'm also not going to complain about getting extra!
I think they've recently changed their menu so that carnitas and barbacoa aren't the same price anymore, which is unfortunate.
I've only ever gotten barbacoa. Never burnt because it is not cooked on a grill. I believe its boiled in water? Not sure exactly. But I've ate at Chipotle for years (cut down a lot since I've turned Mustachian) and never gotten burnt barbacoa.
If you're trying to do more cooking at home and you don't know what braising is, you need to find out, fast!
I'm a sociopathic, fraud committing, dishonest, petty thief troll who has a sassy attitude in need of adjustment
QFT
+1.
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Yea when I quote I generally quote everything, because sometimes when I cut stuff out I end up attributing quotes to the wrong user.
I quote carefully so I don't make that mistake.
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I always ask for the free water cup, then fill it with the carbonated beverage of my choice.
My friend's Dad used to say, " If you are going to steal, steal big. Either way you are a thief."
My friend's dad used to say.... "who cares............"
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You know what my grandfather said? GET BACK TO WORK!
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You know what my grandfather said? GET BACK TO WORK!
GET OFF MY LAWN!
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I always ask for the free water cup, then fill it with the carbonated beverage of my choice.
Instead of paying for anything I just take the burrito and run out the door.
I walk in with a gun and tell them to give me all of their money in the register as well as a beef burrito with extra cheese.
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This may be my favorite thread on the MMM forums. I haven't been to a Chipotle for years, but I'm going tomorrow...I'll try to post a picture of the largest vegetarian burrito bowl I can get with my glass of hotsauce. I also like meat, but in the name of frugality, I'll carry in my own braised pork...the question is if I should ask them to put my homemade pork on the giant mound of burrito bowl for me, or if I should mix it in myself at the table.
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Jon_Snow,
We actually do have Chipotle in Canada --
:o)
818 Howe Street
Vancouver, BC V6Z 1N4
323 Yonge St.
Toronto, ON M5B 1R7
123 Front Street
Unit 103
Toronto, ON M5J2M2
1072 Don Mills Road
Toronto, ON M4P 2C9
2323 Yonge Street
Unit 100
Toronto, ON M4P 2C9
1970 St. Clair Avenue West, Unit 109
Toronto, ON M6N11
3401 Dufferin Street, Unit FC-04
Toronto, ON M6A-3A1
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Dragoncar was making a joke that she didn't understand what you were talking about because you didn't quote anyone.
Haha whoops.
I quote carefully so I don't make that mistake.
To use GovtWorker's language...
Well pin a rose on your nose. Aren't you just sooooooooooo special..
If you're trying to do more cooking at home and you don't know what braising is, you need to find out, fast!
Haha yea I've been meaning to learn more recipes...
My friend's Dad used to say, " If you are going to steal, steal big. Either way you are a thief."
Along the same lines, one of my friends like to say if you're going to be a dumbass, do it intelligently.
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If your Chipotle closes at 10, go at 9:55. If it's slow, and you're super nice to them, they'll load you up with lots of extra of everything, since they're about to throw it all away as they close. My girlfriend and I went to a Chipotle in Iowa a few months back coincidentally at this time, and it was glorious. We hadn't eaten all day, and were quite ravenous. Just be super polite and don't make a mess or stay for an hour.
And I don't steal soda from Chipotle, that's just wrong. Come on. I'll use BitTorrent for things I shouldn't and go 70 in a 65, but I wouldn't do that. Either pay up, or go without the liquid sugar this time.
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If your Chipotle closes at 10, go at 9:55. If it's slow, and you're super nice to them, they'll load you up with lots of extra of everything, since they're about to throw it all away as they close. My girlfriend and I went to a Chipotle in Iowa a few months back coincidentally at this time, and it was glorious. We hadn't eaten all day, and were quite ravenous. Just be super polite and don't make a mess or stay for an hour.
One time I went in about 15 minutes before closing. I ordered barbacoa, and they said oh we'll have to cook it, is that okay? And I said sure. I waited about 10, maybe 15 minutes. And then when I went to pay, the guy said oh no need, sorry for the wait =)
And I don't steal soda from Chipotle, that's just wrong. Come on. I'll use BitTorrent for things I shouldn't and go 70 in a 65, but I wouldn't do that. Either pay up, or go without the liquid sugar this time.
Funny how you think torrenting what I assume is copyrighted material is okay, but then stealing soda isn't.
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And I don't steal soda from Chipotle, that's just wrong. Come on. I'll use BitTorrent for things I shouldn't and go 70 in a 65, but I wouldn't do that. Either pay up, or go without the liquid sugar this time.
Funny how you think torrenting what I assume is copyrighted material is okay, but then stealing soda isn't.
Regardless of what you think of copyright infringement, there is a difference between making a copy of something (and not literally "taking" it from someone) and stealing something (that deprives someone else of it). You may not like either one, and that's okay, but they are different.
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And I don't steal soda from Chipotle, that's just wrong. Come on. I'll use BitTorrent for things I shouldn't and go 70 in a 65, but I wouldn't do that. Either pay up, or go without the liquid sugar this time.
Funny how you think torrenting what I assume is copyrighted material is okay, but then stealing soda isn't.
Regardless of what you think of copyright infringement, there is a difference between making a copy of something (and not literally "taking" it from someone) and stealing something (that deprives someone else of it). You may not like either one, and that's okay, but they are different.
True. I guess if we're ignoring what the law says, one could argue from a moral standpoint that making a copy isn't as bad as stealing something, even if you are depriving somebody somewhere of profit.
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And I don't steal soda from Chipotle, that's just wrong. Come on. I'll use BitTorrent for things I shouldn't and go 70 in a 65, but I wouldn't do that. Either pay up, or go without the liquid sugar this time.
Funny how you think torrenting what I assume is copyrighted material is okay, but then stealing soda isn't.
Regardless of what you think of copyright infringement, there is a difference between making a copy of something (and not literally "taking" it from someone) and stealing something (that deprives someone else of it). You may not like either one, and that's okay, but they are different.
True. I guess if we're ignoring what the law says, one could argue from a moral standpoint that making a copy isn't as bad as stealing something, even if you are depriving somebody somewhere of profit.
And you may not even be doing that - some things aren't available for purchase, so there's no way to pay the content creator.
Also torrenting may not even break the law, it may only be a moral issue.
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And I don't steal soda from Chipotle, that's just wrong. Come on. I'll use BitTorrent for things I shouldn't and go 70 in a 65, but I wouldn't do that. Either pay up, or go without the liquid sugar this time.
Funny how you think torrenting what I assume is copyrighted material is okay, but then stealing soda isn't.
Regardless of what you think of copyright infringement, there is a difference between making a copy of something (and not literally "taking" it from someone) and stealing something (that deprives someone else of it). You may not like either one, and that's okay, but they are different.
True. I guess if we're ignoring what the law says, one could argue from a moral standpoint that making a copy isn't as bad as stealing something, even if you are depriving somebody somewhere of profit.
And you may not even be doing that - some things aren't available for purchase, so there's no way to pay the content creator.
Also torrenting may not even break the law, it may only be a moral issue.
Oh yea I forgot about the not available case. But I don't think that's what ketchup was talking about, since ketchup said torrenting "for things I shouldn't"
It certainly depends what you torrent, and what country you live in, as to the legality of torrenting. I always forget that there are tons of people on this forum that aren't in the US like me =P
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Exactly. :)
One difference in the morality, IMO, is the idea of a victimless crime. Going 70 in a 65, maybe. Torrenting something you can't legally buy, maybe. Taking soda that belongs to someone else (even if that other is a corporation), not so much.
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If your Chipotle closes at 10, go at 9:55. If it's slow, and you're super nice to them, they'll load you up with lots of extra of everything, since they're about to throw it all away as they close. My girlfriend and I went to a Chipotle in Iowa a few months back coincidentally at this time, and it was glorious. We hadn't eaten all day, and were quite ravenous. Just be super polite and don't make a mess or stay for an hour.
One time I went in about 15 minutes before closing. I ordered barbacoa, and they said oh we'll have to cook it, is that okay? And I said sure. I waited about 10, maybe 15 minutes. And then when I went to pay, the guy said oh no need, sorry for the wait =)
And I don't steal soda from Chipotle, that's just wrong. Come on. I'll use BitTorrent for things I shouldn't and go 70 in a 65, but I wouldn't do that. Either pay up, or go without the liquid sugar this time.
Funny how you think torrenting what I assume is copyrighted material is okay, but then stealing soda isn't.
You're not very good with sarcasm, are you?
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If your Chipotle closes at 10, go at 9:55. If it's slow, and you're super nice to them, they'll load you up with lots of extra of everything, since they're about to throw it all away as they close. My girlfriend and I went to a Chipotle in Iowa a few months back coincidentally at this time, and it was glorious. We hadn't eaten all day, and were quite ravenous. Just be super polite and don't make a mess or stay for an hour.
One time I went in about 15 minutes before closing. I ordered barbacoa, and they said oh we'll have to cook it, is that okay? And I said sure. I waited about 10, maybe 15 minutes. And then when I went to pay, the guy said oh no need, sorry for the wait =)
And I don't steal soda from Chipotle, that's just wrong. Come on. I'll use BitTorrent for things I shouldn't and go 70 in a 65, but I wouldn't do that. Either pay up, or go without the liquid sugar this time.
Funny how you think torrenting what I assume is copyrighted material is okay, but then stealing soda isn't.
You're not very good with sarcasm, are you?
So you're saying ketchup was being sarcastic? I don't think so, but if that's what you mean GovtWorker, I'll let ketchup chime in on that.
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Regardless of what you think of copyright infringement, there is a difference between making a copy of something (and not literally "taking" it from someone) and stealing something (that deprives someone else of it). You may not like either one, and that's okay, but they are different.
True. I guess if we're ignoring what the law says...
FYI, the law most certainly does make a very large distinction between theft and copyright infringement!
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Regardless of what you think of copyright infringement, there is a difference between making a copy of something (and not literally "taking" it from someone) and stealing something (that deprives someone else of it). You may not like either one, and that's okay, but they are different.
True. I guess if we're ignoring what the law says...
FYI, the law most certainly does make a very large distinction between theft and copyright infringement!
Indeed. Typically in the US copyright infringement is punished much more than actual theft.
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Regardless of what you think of copyright infringement, there is a difference between making a copy of something (and not literally "taking" it from someone) and stealing something (that deprives someone else of it). You may not like either one, and that's okay, but they are different.
True. I guess if we're ignoring what the law says...
FYI, the law most certainly does make a very large distinction between theft and copyright infringement!
Oh I know. I was just trying to look at the moral aspects of theft vs copyright infringement.
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Oh jeez, I didn't mean to introduce that animal into this fight too.
All I meant by what I said is that even though I'm an immoral heathen of a lawbreaker to the point that I'll go slightly over the speed limit on the highway or borrow an episode of Game of Thrones from the intertubes for the night, I still would never steal from a restaurant. So yes, a bit tongue-in-cheek, but everything I said was true.