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Bringing scary numbers down to the reality of every day
« on: May 17, 2015, 12:54:18 PM »
I'm pretty proud of my current understanding of my finances.

Earlier in the year I started using iBank 5 to aggregate the financial data from all of our bank accounts. It provides a snapshot of our financial situation and while I think that's valuable it's really difficult for me to make financial decisions based on that snapshot.

The problem is that the data is bumpy. I get my biweekly paycheck and my net worth goes up. I pay a bill and my net worth goes down. It's a particular problem because a significant amount of my income is paid yearly. On any given day I can't tell whether I'm in the red or the black.

Therefore, I've been working on a spreadsheet that models when money is earned or expenses are incurred rather than when money moves in and out of our accounts. The view is thus a lot smoother than the iBank view.

After I spent a lot of time thinking about this and experimenting I learned that what I was doing was called the "accrual basis of accounting". Wow, I've learned something new! And it's really cool that what I came to on my own is actually (in a dumbed down and perverted form) what real accountants use. Cool!

So this is what I've done:

I have four main sheets: 1. Reoccuring income and expenses, 2. Taxes, 3. One-off expenses, and 4. Daily log.

The first sheet includes columns for both income and expenses on a yearly, quarterly, monthly, biweekly, and weekly basis. I include anything in which my daily decisions cannot make an impact. For example, even though I could move out of my rental house into something cheaper it's nothing something that I can change day-to-day so I'm going to consider this a reoccuring monthly expense. My paycheck comes every two weeks whether I'm at the office or not. For income I'm including salary, vesting restricted stock, contractual annual bonuses, rental income, and dividend income. I am NOT including my annual merit bonus because I have no idea what it will be or even if I'll get one. For expenses I'm including rent, mortgage payments, insurance payments, averaged utility payments, vehicle registration fees, Amazon Prime membership, etc, etc, all the way down my monthly Spotify bill. I am NOT including anything that I make daily decisions about. For example I am not including groceries.

The second sheet includes my total income from the previous sheet and rows for all of the income taxes I pay or are payed on my behave. There are rows for each of the federal and California income tax brackets, social security tax, and medicare tax. I also have a stupidly simple way of getting the tax calculation to be somewhat closer to reality: I have rows for my standard deduction and personal exemptions. I know that in reality I will be paying a little less in taxes, but for my purposes here I just want something close enough to reality without being too small.

The third sheet is my list of any one-off expenses I might incur on any particular day. These include groceries, gasoline, shit bought from Amazon, iTunes movie purchases, hotels, plane tickets, etc, etc, all the way down to the co-pay at the doctor's office. I just include the date, amount, any notes I can use to later identify this expense, and a column for sales tax paid.

The fourth sheet is this spreadsheet's raison d'etre. There's a row for each day and the columns are filled in from the other sheets. They are: 1. Date, 2. Income (this is my total yearly income divided by 365), 3. Taxes (this is my total yearly taxes divided by 365), 4. Reoccuring Expenses (this is the sum of all of my reoccuring expenses for the year divided by 365), 5. Net Income for the day (this is my income minus taxes and reoccuring expenses), 6. Expenses for the day (This is the money that I have to work with today, that is, everything for a particular day on the One-off Expenses sheet sumed up (I learned how to use the filter function to get this to work)), 7. Daily savings (What I saved today, that is, Net income minus daily expenses), and 8. Net savings (summing up all of the daily savings for all previous days).

I'm sharing this because I'm so proud of myself and this has already been successful at: 1. Keeping me from making irrational decisions about my employement based on perceptions of my daily finances rather than hard numbers and 2. Keeping me from frivolous purchases since I can see the actual impact they will make on my daily savings.

Dividing by 365 is bringing scary numbers that I can't quite grok back down to the reality of today. I can say "Today, this is what I have contributed to my future".

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Re: Bringing scary numbers down to the reality of every day
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2015, 03:39:00 PM »
Sounds complicated. I think if you can just bring your expenses way down, you may be able to live on the non-lump sums you get. Then the big checks can go straight to savings. It's good you're keeping track of it all. But don't worry too much about getting too complicated. I just add up expenses each month and income each month and go from there.

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Re: Bringing scary numbers down to the reality of every day
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2015, 04:32:25 PM »
Sounds complicated. I think if you can just bring your expenses way down, you may be able to live on the non-lump sums you get. Then the big checks can go straight to savings. It's good you're keeping track of it all. But don't worry too much about getting too complicated. I just add up expenses each month and income each month and go from there.

It saddens me that I share something that I'm proud of, I hurt nobody by doing it, yet I'm told that what I'm doing is too complicated because I'm not badass enough to live on the floor of my bumpy income. I'm already not having a good day today. This made me feel worse.

The lump-sum parts represent 65% of my income. In my current situation I can't quite live on only 35% of my income. I'm doing the best I can this year. I just wanted to share something that I was proud of and something that I thought could help others.

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Re: Bringing scary numbers down to the reality of every day
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2015, 05:43:11 PM »
Hey!

I thought this was really cool. I've often thought it would be cool to get paid every day just to be able to look at something like this. I never thought of planning it all out this way, and I think I am too lazy to do so :).  I definitely think you'll want to keep other, higher-level analysis in mind as you make big decisions but this can be fun and informative (I'd hate to see someone say "yyy is only an extra $40 a day when I'm +$180 right now!" or something). If you haven't already, maybe add a daily savings % in? Just for fun if nothing else. That would help me pursue paying side-gigs and see what my highest day of the week/month/year could be.

Glad to hear you're learning something new too. Funny to think, here you are learning things and finding another way to help you track your financial life when you could be doing nothing, and learning nothing, or spending your Sunday dropping $350 at the mall on junk and overpriced/unhealthy food! Scary at times to think how much better off you'll be in the long run through some fairly simple decisions.

Got any screenshots of the spreadsheet to show off?

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Re: Bringing scary numbers down to the reality of every day
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2015, 07:09:01 PM »
As a CPA, I'm highly tickled (in a good way) that you reinvented accrual accounting. Don't worry about what anyone else thinks. Some of their spreadsheets seem overly complicated to me. What matters is that it helps you.

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Re: Bringing scary numbers down to the reality of every day
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2015, 07:28:55 PM »
I once did something similar - I did it on a weekly basis, and figured out how many hours of my workweek went to the larger categories of my budget.

That really helped bring perspective on things. It helps a lot when trying to figure out what you do for taxes. Oh, all of Monday and half of Tuesday I'm working for the gubermint? etc.

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Re: Bringing scary numbers down to the reality of every day
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2015, 07:57:41 PM »
I'm excited to see your post! I've always wondered if anyone did their personal accounting on an accrual basis. I've been tempted to myself but haven't had the drive to do a full spreadsheet like you. Part of my reason was that I wasn't sure what benefit I would really be gaining from it, but I can see that now; it would be motivating to see the concrete impact of even small decisions laid out in a way that I could feel like I was 'winning' on days when I consume less.

I think it would be pretty exciting to use full accrual accounting on even things like groceries so I could try to minimize my consumption in a certain day, but that would be a whole other level of record-keeping that probably isn't worth the time...

Side note: I work in a finance department and when I once mentioned the possibility of using accrual accounting on personal finances everyone was quite surprised at the idea. I'm glad to be able to share that I'm not the only one who has thought of this idea.

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Re: Bringing scary numbers down to the reality of every day
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2015, 08:55:09 AM »
no matter how you do it, keeping track of your money puts you ahead of 95% of the population. While my annual bonus is not 65% of my income (more like 25-30%), I considered keeping track of it as follows each month

Salary (This is my actual monthly earned income)
Bonus / 12 (This is my adjusted income)
= Total Monthly Income

It is much simpler and I think accomplishes the same goal. However, I'm okay with mtm volatility as I roll everything up to the annual view anyways (and create quarterly plan vs actual reports because I'm a nerd).

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Re: Bringing scary numbers down to the reality of every day
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2015, 07:04:52 PM »
I thought the first reply was in poor taste, though it probably wasn't meant to be rude.

This to me IS badass. I'm not sure what accrual accounting is, but I like the idea behind it. I can see it more accurately tracking the progress of savings, especially for people in the beginning stages where the monthly bills can appear to eat up all they've fought for.

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Re: Bringing scary numbers down to the reality of every day
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2015, 10:55:27 AM »
Sounds complicated. I think if you can just bring your expenses way down, you may be able to live on the non-lump sums you get. Then the big checks can go straight to savings. It's good you're keeping track of it all. But don't worry too much about getting too complicated. I just add up expenses each month and income each month and go from there.

It saddens me that I share something that I'm proud of, I hurt nobody by doing it, yet I'm told that what I'm doing is too complicated because I'm not badass enough to live on the floor of my bumpy income. I'm already not having a good day today. This made me feel worse.
Some stranger's opinion on an internet chatboard made you feel bad? I hope you didn't really mean that. If you did, you've got some self-examination to do that can't be done with a spreadsheet.

That said, good work on having the kind of financial self awareness that few people in the world have. I went through a half dozen iterations of various techniques for budgeting and wealth tracking over the years. Eventually, I opted for a very simplified view. But, all those iterations of complexity weren't wasted. They gave me depth and practice in thinking about personal finance.

forummm is a smart person who has helped a lot of folks around here. I'm sure he didn't mean offense, and I bet, if you remember this exchange 10 years from now, you'll probably be thinking, "That guy was right."

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Re: Bringing scary numbers down to the reality of every day
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2015, 04:08:15 AM »

It saddens me that I share something that I'm proud of, I hurt nobody by doing it, yet I'm told that what I'm doing is too complicated because I'm not badass enough to live on the floor of my bumpy income. I'm already not having a good day today. This made me feel worse.

No need to be so sensitive, I don't think it was meant to attack your accomplishment. When I read the OP I also thought it seemed extremely complicated. I know you do have a complex financial situation, and so do I, and if it works for you then that's awesome - but much more important is just taming your desire to purchase. If you're earning enough, and spending increasingly little of it, you'll start coming out ahead naturally.

The problem with complex financial views for me is that there are just too many buckets to keep track of. I prefer actually to track expenses rather than income, because that's where I can actually be effective to analyze what I can improve. My income isn't improved by staring at a spreadsheet so all I do is put the 'remainder' of what comes in, into the savings bucket and manage it elsewhere.

 

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