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« on: September 24, 2016, 05:40:21 PM »
For the last couple of months, I have been using a bread maker instead of buying bread. Before buying the maker I would make bread if I had the time or inclination; now it's simpler (though not quicker!) to just let the machine do it.

I would guess that spent $8 a week before. I would mostly buy bagels at $1.67 for six. Plus a loaf or two at $1.88.

The machine cost $60 - good reviews - but of course you could buy used for much less.

It takes 450g of flour, salt, water, sugar, and yeast to make a basic loaf. Yeast is about $4.50 for 113g, which makes about the same number of loaves as a 10kg bag of flour at $7. The other ingredients are very cheap. Say $13 total for 22 loaves.

I borrowed a kill-a-watt from the library last week; 0.37kWh per loaf. I would guess that's 10 cents a loaf.

So in total, $0.69 a loaf. We probably eat a load every two days, so 3.5 a week = $2.42, saving $5.58.

$5.58 x 52 weeks a year = $290.

Nothing earth shattering. Pretty cool, though.

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Re: Bread
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2016, 05:44:14 PM »
Yeast is about $4.50 for 113g

If you buy yeast at Sams Club or Costco, you can get this cost down to nearly zero. It's similar price to that for TWO POUNDS of yeast.

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Re: Bread
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2016, 02:46:31 PM »
For the last couple of months, I have been using a bread maker instead of buying bread. Before buying the maker I would make bread if I had the time or inclination; now it's simpler (though not quicker!) to just let the machine do it.

I would guess that spent $8 a week before. I would mostly buy bagels at $1.67 for six. Plus a loaf or two at $1.88.

The machine cost $60 - good reviews - but of course you could buy used for much less.

It takes 450g of flour, salt, water, sugar, and yeast to make a basic loaf. Yeast is about $4.50 for 113g, which makes about the same number of loaves as a 10kg bag of flour at $7. The other ingredients are very cheap. Say $13 total for 22 loaves.

I borrowed a kill-a-watt from the library last week; 0.37kWh per loaf. I would guess that's 10 cents a loaf.

So in total, $0.69 a loaf. We probably eat a load every two days, so 3.5 a week = $2.42, saving $5.58.

$5.58 x 52 weeks a year = $290.

Nothing earth shattering. Pretty cool, though.

Thanks for the math on the costs.  I lucked out and found a bread maker on the side of my street.  So, not upfront investment.  I wonder if it is a novelty but it makes tasty bread and the prep time is minimal.

It's habit. Now I'm in the groove, I just look and go, oh, not much bread left, better stick another batch on.

It helps me with grocery shopping too - much less bulk to carry back. That and it being summer meaning veg from the garden means I've been doing only one trip to the supermarket a week rather than 2 and a bit (once every three days, say).

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Re: Bread
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2016, 02:49:37 PM »
Yeast is about $4.50 for 113g

If you buy yeast at Sams Club or Costco, you can get this cost down to nearly zero. It's similar price to that for TWO POUNDS of yeast.

Wrong country for Sam's, not sure that they have it in Costco but they might, but here - good ol' Amazon Canada: https://www.amazon.ca/SAF-Saf-Instant-Yeast-Pouch/dp/B0001CXUHW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474836406&sr=8-1&keywords=bread+yeast

4x the amount for 2x the price. I'll add it to my cart for when I have enough for free shipping, good call, thanks!

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Re: Bread
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2016, 11:59:14 PM »
How cool are breadmakers?!!! We just got one through a FB sale group for $10. Where we are plain flour costs about $1 a kilo (2.5 small loaves) and a loaf costs a minimum of $2, so even with yeast etc I think we are winning. Our power is free from the sun :)

Check your manual for jam recipes. Yesterday we made strawberry jam bc they are in season here. It's amazing! We did have a boil over situation so watch the pan carefully near the end if you do it, but it was so easy and worth doing.

I am just waiting for a loaf to finish so I can have warm bread with homemade jam, yummo.

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Re: Bread
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2016, 12:20:28 AM »
DUDE! I am so all about our bread maker. Got one for free from a friend in June (I asked around after reading MMM's post about his bread maker), but it died last month. Scored a second one from Craigslist for $15. In Hawaii, where we live, it's hard to find a loaf of bread for less than $5. The bread machine has cut our grocery bill by at least $40/month (we have kids and go through a lot of bread).

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Re: Bread
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2016, 09:31:42 AM »
Thanks for posting this thread, I think I'm actually about to purchase a bread maker. Any recommendations on a model? I'm looking at one on Amazon for $59.99.

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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2016, 09:43:04 AM »
This system of bread making is pretty good. And it does not require a fancy machine. I typically use this method during the cooler months.

http://www.splendidtable.org/recipes/five-minute-artisan-bread

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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2016, 09:48:54 AM »
We've been making all our bread for about a year and yes! Savings are impressive!

You can get the yeast at Wholesale club if there is one near you. Also check their prices on flour etc. we now buy much of this in bulk with pails to store it in.

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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2016, 11:25:16 AM »
Thanks for posting this thread, I think I'm actually about to purchase a bread maker. Any recommendations on a model? I'm looking at one on Amazon for $59.99.

This is what I got: https://www.amazon.ca/Hamilton-Beach-HomeBaker-Breadmaker-Black/dp/B005EPRF1I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474910680&sr=8-1&keywords=bread+maker

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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2016, 01:21:44 PM »
Thanks for posting this thread, I think I'm actually about to purchase a bread maker. Any recommendations on a model? I'm looking at one on Amazon for $59.99.

This is what I got: https://www.amazon.ca/Hamilton-Beach-HomeBaker-Breadmaker-Black/dp/B005EPRF1I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474910680&sr=8-1&keywords=bread+maker

Thanks I appreciate it! Excited to try it.

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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2016, 02:43:20 PM »
I love bread makers!  Over a yr ago I started making bread by hand.  There was only one recipe that I seemed to be good at, so I stuck with that one recipe.

I was in a charity shop a few months ago and got one for $25.  I make mostly buns now.  Plus I use it a lot for making pizza dough.  Worthwhile purchase.

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Re: Bread
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2016, 03:24:09 PM »
Since I bought a Vita-Mix, I buy whole wheat berries from the bulk food store near me and grind my own flour. Takes a few minutes.

I would guess the flour is more nutritious since I can see nothing is removed.

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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2016, 04:26:02 PM »
Does anyone make whole grain/seed bread in their bread maker? I like brown heavy wholegrain breads (which are expensive! I buy in bulk when on special and freeze) and wondering if I should invest in a second hand bread maker?

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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2016, 04:34:24 PM »
Does anyone make whole grain/seed bread in their bread maker? I like brown heavy wholegrain breads (which are expensive! I buy in bulk when on special and freeze) and wondering if I should invest in a second hand bread maker?

Yes, I make all kinds of stuff in it, including whole grain/seed bread. The trick to this type of bread is vital wheat gluten (it keeps it from being too dense) and a lot of experimentation. I bought a bread machine recipe book, too.

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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2016, 04:39:00 PM »
Good to know, thanks!  I just googled vital wheat gluten so this is something additional I need to buy.  I might get a bread making book from the library!

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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2016, 05:08:02 PM »
We received a bread maker as a gift, but it took up a lot of room. We gave it to my in-laws and eventually got a stand mixer (a 5qt kitchenaid). The mixer is more expensive, but can do more things and takes up less area on the counter. Also, we can mix enough for two loaves in the mixer and bake both simultaneously in the oven. The downsides are price and having to use the oven during the summer.

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« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2016, 12:00:03 PM »
Save on yeast expenses by using less and giving it more rise time. The yeast will take longer to consume the sugars and will make the bread taste better.

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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2016, 12:08:35 PM »
Vital wheat gluten is probably not necessary, a less expensive way to go would be to get bread flour and mix that in with the wheat flour. Currently I do about 60/40 bread flour to wheat flour.

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Re: Bread
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2016, 02:21:49 PM »
+1 for a stand mixer and slow fermentation.

I find that bread machine bread is kind of bland and dense, and we use ours maybe 3-4 times a year.  Fresh out of the machine it is good while still warm, but usually it is unpalatable by the next day and we end up tossing half a loaf after a week.

We use our stand mixer 3-4 times a month do a lot of homemade bagels (look up the recipe on Epicurious), and a rustic loaf (look up the Cook's Illustrated Almost No-Kneed bread).  Both recipes have a long slow fermentation.  The bagels have an overnight refrigerated second rise, while the rustic loaf has an 18 hour room temp first rise (uses no sugar and just a tiny amount of yeast).  I should try some other recipes, but a long slow fermentation seems to be a winner for us.

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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2016, 06:22:56 AM »
For the last couple of months, I have been using a bread maker instead of buying bread. Before buying the maker I would make bread if I had the time or inclination; now it's simpler (though not quicker!) to just let the machine do it.

I would guess that spent $8 a week before. I would mostly buy bagels at $1.67 for six. Plus a loaf or two at $1.88.

The machine cost $60 - good reviews - but of course you could buy used for much less.

It takes 450g of flour, salt, water, sugar, and yeast to make a basic loaf. Yeast is about $4.50 for 113g, which makes about the same number of loaves as a 10kg bag of flour at $7. The other ingredients are very cheap. Say $13 total for 22 loaves.

I borrowed a kill-a-watt from the library last week; 0.37kWh per loaf. I would guess that's 10 cents a loaf.

So in total, $0.69 a loaf. We probably eat a load every two days, so 3.5 a week = $2.42, saving $5.58.

$5.58 x 52 weeks a year = $290.

Nothing earth shattering. Pretty cool, though.

What do you mean by you borrowed a kilowatt from the Library??

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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2016, 07:21:32 AM »
What do you mean by you borrowed a kilowatt from the Library??

I think he meant Kill-A-Watt - https://www.amazon.com/P3-P4400-Electricity-Usage-Monitor/dp/B00009MDBU

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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2016, 07:26:39 AM »
What do you mean by you borrowed a kilowatt from the Library??

Extension cord and exterior outlets, bro.  One of the many benefits of living close to a library.

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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2016, 07:45:05 AM »
What do you mean by you borrowed a kilowatt from the Library??

Extension cord and exterior outlets, bro.  One of the many benefits of living close to a library.

Wait...
Really!? I thought I was smart for charging my phone and portable phone chargers at work. Never use my electricity at home to charge my phone.

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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2016, 07:51:11 AM »
What do you mean by you borrowed a kilowatt from the Library??

Extension cord and exterior outlets, bro.  One of the many benefits of living close to a library.

Wait...
Really!? I thought I was smart for charging my phone and portable phone chargers at work. Never use my electricity at home to charge my phone.

Save gas. Just run a cord to the neighbour's place and set your breadmaker out on the porch. Sure you have to fend off raccoons, but just think of the energy savings!

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« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2016, 08:34:00 AM »
What do you mean by you borrowed a kilowatt from the Library??

Extension cord and exterior outlets, bro.  One of the many benefits of living close to a library.

Wait...
Really!? I thought I was smart for charging my phone and portable phone chargers at work. Never use my electricity at home to charge my phone.

Save gas. Just run a cord to the neighbour's place and set your breadmaker out on the porch. Sure you have to fend off raccoons, but just think of the energy savings!

Raccoons are a feature, not a bug.  http://www.wideopenspaces.com/favorite-raccoon-recipes/

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Re: Bread
« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2016, 03:19:23 PM »
Thanks for posting this thread, I think I'm actually about to purchase a bread maker. Any recommendations on a model? I'm looking at one on Amazon for $59.99.

Try a local Goodwill store or similar.  I got one that looked unused for $9.99.  I went twice before I found one I liked.  They resupply pretty often.  I think the 6 I can get for the same cost will outlast the one you list for $59.99.  My last one lasted for 12 years, and we used on average of 2 loaves per month, or well over 200 loaves. I do not expect my new one to last as long.

One more note, I like the machine that makes the loaf as if it is standing on end. It makes a square piece that you can cut in half and have matching halves.  The machines that are made upright are taller and cutting a slice lengthwise yields a long sandwich that does not fit well in a sandwich bag.  Slicing the other way and the slices do not match.  The one like this that I tried would also fail to mix some of the ingredients on the far edges.  Still good bread.

Maybe I should move this reply to MMM people problems thread?


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Re: Bread
« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2016, 03:41:13 PM »
Yeast is about $4.50 for 113g

If you buy yeast at Sams Club or Costco, you can get this cost down to nearly zero. It's similar price to that for TWO POUNDS of yeast.

Wrong country for Sam's, not sure that they have it in Costco but they might, but here - good ol' Amazon Canada: https://www.amazon.ca/SAF-Saf-Instant-Yeast-Pouch/dp/B0001CXUHW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474836406&sr=8-1&keywords=bread+yeast

4x the amount for 2x the price. I'll add it to my cart for when I have enough for free shipping, good call, thanks!

Not all yeast is the same.  They will have different tastes and will act differently.  They are alive :)  You might buy a few different ones before you get the taste you prefer.

I have never tried the brand you have linked.  I tried Red Star and thought it was OK, but by far my favorite is Fleischmann's Instant yeast #2139.  I get it at a local grocery store in a 1 pound brick for about $6.00.  The red Star was $9.00 for 2 pounds, but I still get the Fleischmann's.  I do not see the same packaging online, but here is a link to the same name product without the yeast number visible. I see shipping is cost prohibitive on this one:
https://www.amazon.ca/Fleischmanns-Instant-Dry-Yeast-bags/dp/B001BZEGN0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1475700610&sr=8-2&keywords=Fleischmann%27s+Instant+Dry+Yeast

It is strange, because my block is a product of Canada, but it seems to be unavailable or too expensive for you to buy in Canada.

Some packages say to use it within 6 months of opening.  I refrigerate a small portion and freeze the rest in a zip-lock and it is good for years.  I do need to add slightly more as I approach year 2.

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Re: Bread
« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2016, 03:43:40 PM »
Yeast is about $4.50 for 113g

If you buy yeast at Sams Club or Costco, you can get this cost down to nearly zero. It's similar price to that for TWO POUNDS of yeast.

Wrong country for Sam's, not sure that they have it in Costco but they might, but here - good ol' Amazon Canada: https://www.amazon.ca/SAF-Saf-Instant-Yeast-Pouch/dp/B0001CXUHW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474836406&sr=8-1&keywords=bread+yeast

4x the amount for 2x the price. I'll add it to my cart for when I have enough for free shipping, good call, thanks!
I buy the 1 kg pack at Costco here in Sask for $3.99.  I buy two at that price, it keeps forever in the freezer.  Lasts about 18 months or so at my useage

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« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2016, 07:00:53 AM »
I farm wild yeast. I guess they were free, but they require regular feedings of rye flour and waste whey.

I still have to use store bought yeast for sweet doughs. I have a bag in the freezer that has to be at least three years old and still active as of two weeks ago.

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« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2016, 08:20:40 AM »
You guys are buying huge quantities of yeast!

I've found that you can reduce the amount of yeast needed in a recipe an awful lot (I usually use 1/4 to 1/3rd of the amount given in a recipe) by adding a little sugar and letting it sit in warm water for longer before you start mixing everything else in.

If you have extra time, you can just use less yeast on it's own with no problems . . . it will take longer to rise, but you get wonderful flavour from the bread.

Between that and regular use of my sourdough starter, we don't end up buying too much yeast each year although we make a lot of bread.

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« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2016, 08:22:18 AM »
I farm wild yeast. I guess they were free, but they require regular feedings of rye flour and waste whey.

I still have to use store bought yeast for sweet doughs. I have a bag in the freezer that has to be at least three years old and still active as of two weeks ago.

Very interesting. I would like to hear more.

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