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Re: Alcohol free
« Reply #50 on: March 16, 2014, 12:16:24 PM »
And it's been fantastic.  I no longer feel as though I'm depriving myself when I'm not drinking.  My mood is much better, energy levels are higher, and I'm able to work out harder.  I've almost 180'd on this, and view drinking as a sort of punishment to myself, considering the adverse affects on sleep, appetite, drive. 
I'm not saying I'll never have a drink again, but it's a different perspective.  Time without alcohol has helped me to see that it wasn't ever a positive thing for me.  Not saying this is true for everyone -- we all have differences in body chemistry and react to the drug differently.  But I'm very glad (relieved might be the best word) that the drinking part of my life is over. 
Three years this month.

I can't imagine how much worse my sleep and my physical recovery time would be if I was still drinking.  About the only situations I feel the urge is when I see a beer commercial (duh) or spicy food. 

My trick here is to get a cola at the bar (so no one can see the receipt) and tell people I'm drinking rum and coke or a long island iced tea.  They look the same and honestly nobody cares.  I just don't advertise that I'm not drinking.  As others have observed, folks kind of hate it when they're drinking and you're not -- they think you're trying to be superior or something strange and get uncomfy.
I think society is growing accustomed to people who are coping with alcoholism, whether or not that's actually the reason you stop drinking.  (Or maybe that's just accepted among military veterans?)  I just laugh, say that my drinking days are behind me, and order something else.

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« Reply #51 on: March 16, 2014, 01:18:52 PM »
My body will revolt against me if I drink too much, before the point where I would do anything stupid. Guess I'm lucky, but it kinda sucks getting hungover so easily.

The comments about drinking and business culture remind me of this article about demand for rhino horn in Vietnam: http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2013/05/14/181587969/Vietnams-Appetite-For-Rhino-Horn-Drives-Poaching-In-Africa

"That's how Bui Thanh, a retired official who used to approve construction projects in the Vietnamese government, got his stash of rhino horn. Bui began taking rhino horn to recover from drinking binges with contractors."

I don't think it says in the article, but when I heard it on the radio, the guy said drinking binges were part of the job.

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« Reply #52 on: March 17, 2014, 10:32:43 AM »
I too am finding the differing perspectives on this very interesting.

I don't have any fundamental issues with drinking, but lean on the side of wariness due to seeing the effects of alcoholism around me. I've gone through various phases of tee-totalling and light-moderate drinking over the years, and am currently not indulging.

The past couple years, things had ramped up a bit - a couple bottles of wine a month, a few beers, a night out with friends involving real over-indulgence once every couple months.. not a "problem" per se, but probably not beneficial. I quit drinking for 30 days as part of a challenge for health purposes in January, and have just been uninterested in getting back to it - it just didn't seem like the benefits of drinking outweighed the drawbacks (mostly financial and weight-gain related).

My friends do tend to drink a decent amount when we hang out, but fortunately are not jerks who get offended when others don't drink. They suspected I might be pregnant though, due to the change in behaviour, which was entertaining. I don't really mind being sober around them when they're drinking though, we're friends for a reason, and their company is enjoyable.

All that being said, I wouldn't be surprised, nor upset with myself if I begin drinking a little more in the summer - a glass of sangria on the porch, or a beer while camping has an appeal that just doesn't seem to exist during the winter for some reason. I am definitely enjoying the distinct lack of hang overs, the excess cash, and the weight-loss benefits at the moment though.

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« Reply #53 on: March 17, 2014, 11:48:00 AM »
As someone who recently decided that even $25 a week was too much on bar culture....

I'm going to vow to cut it down to very little.  My wife doesn't drink (just hates the taste) and if I drink, then I'm much more apt to eat a double bacon cheeseburger. 

When I was in my 20's going out 2-3x a week and downing booze/food was normal.   Health and finances never took off for that reason, and it certainly didn't help my first marriage.

if I keep a bottle in the house I might have 1-2 drinks a couple nights a week, so a nice bottle of vodka lasts months.

I do the same with coffee.  Once I have a pot made, I down it as if there will never be any more...

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« Reply #54 on: March 17, 2014, 07:24:27 PM »
Has anyone successfully learned to moderate drinking and do you have any suggestions?

I am 30 y/o and work in an environment where going out with the big wigs or staff at my level be it for lunch/dinners/clients/whatever requires alcohol consumption.  Without getting into the details not consuming would be detrimental to my career.  However this isn’t even the issue, I feel I drink regularly at home without any special occasion and this is what I am trying to cut out.  I am not the type to get shit faced, that’s probably happened once in my life and half the time I don’t get buzzed either.  I drink out of boredom I think.  If I keep busy I don’t drink, or if I am doing work around the house I will have some beers, the problem is that those beers over a weekend can add up to a LOT, so do the ones that I have after work when I am relaxing/eating dinner/hanging out with my wife/etc.  During the week I can have between 0-6 (Mon – Thurs) and Friday – Sunday, depending on what I am doing that numbers goes double.  I only drink light beer and my tolerance is extremely high, but I want to stop this nonsense, but I am having a very hard time with moderation.

I have a lot of will power, but I am the type to either do something or not.  I used to smoke a pack a day in university for 3 years straight and then I dropped the habit, it has been years and I don’t care for it and I will never smoke again.  That was the easy part, I’ve also stopped drinking before for 8 months just as a challenge to myself and that again wasn’t a problem.  What I do have a problem is moderating my consumption and just NOT drinking during the week without a reason, which is what 90% of my drinking is.  My wife hasn’t been vocal about it, but I know she isn’t happy about it, I am not happy about it, it’s stupid, it’s expensive, and it’s just a matter of time until I start feeling the negative physical/psychological effects of it.  I am pretty active overall and in good shape so that cancels a lot of the negative effects, but I know it's just a matter of time.  I feel stupid even sharing this because I know I can *fix* this, but for whatever reason I keep failing and I feel better to share here than talk about it without people I know.

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Re: Alcohol free
« Reply #55 on: March 17, 2014, 08:23:11 PM »
Has anyone successfully learned to moderate drinking and do you have any suggestions?
Here's what worked for me:
1.  Get tired of your bladder waking you up at night.
2.  Get tired of your liver waking you up at night (after it converts the alcohol to sugar and dumps it back in your blood stream).
3.  Stop drinking for a month-- and suddenly realize that you've lost weight without even trying.  (Empty calories.)
4.  Enjoy waking up in the morning without hangover symptoms.
5.  Realize that alcohol may have been a significant risk factor in your father's Alzheimer's... and his father's, too.

My epiphany was influenced by what I was doing at that point:  I was caring for my Dad at the hospital after his emergency surgery for a perforated ulcer which came within an hour of killing him.  The surgeon said that alcohol (without food) can eat through the stomach lining to cause this problem, but the "good news" was that the alcohol leaking into Dad's peritoneal cavity pretty much sterilized any chance of secondary infection.

I was 50 years old, I'd probably already imbibed a lifetime quota, and I decided there were better ways to live my life.

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Re: Alcohol free
« Reply #56 on: March 18, 2014, 11:34:44 AM »
Has anyone successfully learned to moderate drinking and do you have any suggestions?

It's difficult to moderate because it's addictive.  Your impulse center is telling you to drink because you've recently been drinking, and that's how the cycle works, unfortunately.  It's only after a week or so of not drinking that the impulses go down and your body chemistry goes back to normal.

I have a lot of will power, but I am the type to either do something or not.

Totally makes sense.  I think that working professionals who drink tend to be very driven people.  You have to be driven in order to function well in a demanding job despite being hung over more often than not.  God knows this was true for me.

I used to smoke a pack a day in university for 3 years straight and then I dropped the habit, it has been years and I don’t care for it and I will never smoke again.
The reason it's easier to quit smoking than drinking is attitude, IMO.

The attitude toward smoking as a habit has shifted to "this is a habit/addiction that provides zero benefits and has a whole lot of negatives."  If you have this negative attitude toward smoking, then there's no downside to quitting.  Only payoff.

The attitude toward drinking is the opposite.  Most people think something along the lines of:  "This is great, I love getting a buzz/relaxing and it makes me more social."  So giving this habit up doesn't feel so great.  It feels like deprivation.

The way to fix this is to alter your attitude so that you don't feel deprived when you're not drinking.  As long as you feel deprived, you're going to keep thinking you should have that drink as a reward. Because you had a tough day.  Because you exercised already.  And you deserve it.

I found that for me, the way to shift my attitude is to focus on the negatives of drinking.  You mentioned quite a few of them in your post, and Nords listed a bunch too.  It's basically the same list.    I sleep better.  I enjoy exercise more (don't have to absolutely force my way through a weight routine while also being dehydrated and tired from lack of sleep.)  I look and feel better.  My mood is better, I make more jokes and take greater pleasure from social interactions.  Life doesn't seem as difficult -- even bits that I used to find really unpleasant are occasionally fun, like housecleaning and helping my aging mother.  (Sorry, mom.)   

Focus on the negatives long enough and you will have trouble maintaining the attitude that drinking is fun.  It might even start to feel like punishment, you know?  Something that is keeping you from being happier and healthier, or having better relationships.

Once you switch tracks on attitude, it'll be the end of drinking for you. 

I feel stupid even sharing this because I know I can *fix* this, but for whatever reason I keep failing and I feel better to share here than talk about it without people I know.

Completely understand.  You can definitely fix it.  As I mentioned, I already know you're driven because you drink and hold down a job. 


Side note:
I think that quitting alcohol has some similarities to the frugal/mmm lifestyle actually in the sense that when you first start out, you might feel a bit deprived.  Why can't I go out to eat every night anymore?  Why aren't I using the iPhone 8 while driving my Hummer to the mall for some shopping?  But over time your attitude shifts and your new lifestyle feels much, much better than the old one, and you'd never willingly go back to your spendy ways.  Because you've made the mental adjustment and no longer feel deprived of anything -- you simply would never choose to spend money on all that stuff anymore and in fact it'd probably make you feel terrible to do so. 



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« Reply #57 on: March 18, 2014, 04:32:23 PM »
okay, I'm two weeks into my no-beer-no-wine Lent and reading back through this thread is interesting!

overall, I'm super glad I'm doing this. I feel like I'm being really healthy and saving a shit ton of money. I am allowing myself to drink the occasional fancy cocktail during Lent, but since I'm being really careful not to just replace beer/wine with liquor, and cocktails are only like 5% of my normal alcohol consumption anyway, my drinking is still cut WAY down.

I though the second post (don't remember who it was) was really interesting because he said he found bars were still fun but parties are more boring. I've totally found the opposite to be true! so far I've still had fun going to people's houses, especially for game nights or gatherings where there is something going on besides just drinking (which is pretty much always the case, at least at my friend's parties... at a bare minimum there will be some kind of dance party going on, which I can totally do sober). on the other hand, going out to bars (or last night, outdoor St. Patty's Day festivities downtown) has gotten to be SO boring and kind of a chore (but I still have gone out because my boyfriend wants to and I don't want the fast to affect him too much!). we do end up not staying out as late and I think my boyfriend has ended up drinking less too when we go out just because he doesn't want to be acting like a goofball while I'm sober :)

I'm definitely going to go back to drinking beer, but I'm thinking I might try to do this more regularly, say 1 month of no booze and then 2 months on...

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« Reply #58 on: March 18, 2014, 04:38:20 PM »
My personal policy is to only drink alcohol when it is provided by someone else...either my husband happens to come home with a pack of wine coolers, or I grab one from my mom's fridge when I'm visiting, etc.  It happens maybe five times a year.  It's not about the cost of the alcohol for me; it's about controlling how often I allow myself to drink.

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« Reply #59 on: March 18, 2014, 06:28:21 PM »
My personal policy is to only drink alcohol when it is provided by someone else...either my husband happens to come home with a pack of wine coolers, or I grab one from my mom's fridge when I'm visiting, etc.  It happens maybe five times a year.  It's not about the cost of the alcohol for me; it's about controlling how often I allow myself to drink.

Lol I have friends that do this when they come over but it is more than five times a year. (Probably closer to give times a month lol

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« Reply #60 on: March 18, 2014, 06:53:32 PM »
Has anyone successfully learned to moderate drinking and do you have any suggestions?

It's difficult to moderate because it's addictive.  Your impulse center is telling you to drink because you've recently been drinking, and that's how the cycle works, unfortunately.  It's only after a week or so of not drinking that the impulses go down and your body chemistry goes back to normal.

I have a lot of will power, but I am the type to either do something or not.

Totally makes sense.  I think that working professionals who drink tend to be very driven people.  You have to be driven in order to function well in a demanding job despite being hung over more often than not.  God knows this was true for me.

I used to smoke a pack a day in university for 3 years straight and then I dropped the habit, it has been years and I don’t care for it and I will never smoke again.
The reason it's easier to quit smoking than drinking is attitude, IMO.

The attitude toward smoking as a habit has shifted to "this is a habit/addiction that provides zero benefits and has a whole lot of negatives."  If you have this negative attitude toward smoking, then there's no downside to quitting.  Only payoff.

The attitude toward drinking is the opposite.  Most people think something along the lines of:  "This is great, I love getting a buzz/relaxing and it makes me more social."  So giving this habit up doesn't feel so great.  It feels like deprivation.

The way to fix this is to alter your attitude so that you don't feel deprived when you're not drinking.  As long as you feel deprived, you're going to keep thinking you should have that drink as a reward. Because you had a tough day.  Because you exercised already.  And you deserve it.

I found that for me, the way to shift my attitude is to focus on the negatives of drinking.  You mentioned quite a few of them in your post, and Nords listed a bunch too.  It's basically the same list.    I sleep better.  I enjoy exercise more (don't have to absolutely force my way through a weight routine while also being dehydrated and tired from lack of sleep.)  I look and feel better.  My mood is better, I make more jokes and take greater pleasure from social interactions.  Life doesn't seem as difficult -- even bits that I used to find really unpleasant are occasionally fun, like housecleaning and helping my aging mother.  (Sorry, mom.)   

Focus on the negatives long enough and you will have trouble maintaining the attitude that drinking is fun.  It might even start to feel like punishment, you know?  Something that is keeping you from being happier and healthier, or having better relationships.

Once you switch tracks on attitude, it'll be the end of drinking for you. 

I feel stupid even sharing this because I know I can *fix* this, but for whatever reason I keep failing and I feel better to share here than talk about it without people I know.

Completely understand.  You can definitely fix it.  As I mentioned, I already know you're driven because you drink and hold down a job. 


Side note:
I think that quitting alcohol has some similarities to the frugal/mmm lifestyle actually in the sense that when you first start out, you might feel a bit deprived.  Why can't I go out to eat every night anymore?  Why aren't I using the iPhone 8 while driving my Hummer to the mall for some shopping?  But over time your attitude shifts and your new lifestyle feels much, much better than the old one, and you'd never willingly go back to your spendy ways.  Because you've made the mental adjustment and no longer feel deprived of anything -- you simply would never choose to spend money on all that stuff anymore and in fact it'd probably make you feel terrible to do so.

Thanks for the post, I really appreciate it.  I am battling with this, but I've taken some key points away from it and I will apply them to my life and then update.  Thanks again.

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Re: Alcohol free
« Reply #61 on: March 18, 2014, 07:51:04 PM »
Thanks for the post, I really appreciate it.  I am battling with this, but I've taken some key points away from it and I will apply them to my life and then update.  Thanks again.

Sure, I hope some of the comments do help.  I saw a lot of myself in your post and I've been through it. 
 
Please do update the thread or message me if you want to chat more about this.

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« Reply #62 on: March 18, 2014, 09:40:18 PM »
If someone has a problem with drinking to excess, I totally support abstaining.   However, I don't understand the concept of not drinking for health reasons, barring some chronic condition that's inflamed by alcohol.   

Take a look at the data, moderate drinkers outlive everyone.    Most studies I read correlate moderate drinking with a 20-25 percent reduction in the risk of heart disease, one of the top killers in this country. Along with a reduction of numerous other diseases
http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol/alcoholandhealth.html#.UykM44Wa-YA

Just stop drinking like you're still in college.   Instead of seeing alcohol as some sort of event, see it as a condiment like ketchup.    Have a glass of wine with dinner and maybe another drink later on with a  tv show or a novel.    Drinking at home can be fairly affordable too.    I'm currently enjoying a homemade London Porter that I made for about 57 cents a glass.   That's cheaper than the last Coke I bought (Mexican Coke is a dollar a bottle).   

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« Reply #63 on: March 19, 2014, 03:38:07 AM »
After three and a half months of teetotalling, I am back at that regime as well. I'll only drink a little, but I intend to enjoy it thoroughly whenever.

Last weekend was spent at the beach and with a little bit of sun I just couldn't resist a good glass of white wine. It was delicious.

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« Reply #64 on: March 19, 2014, 08:05:21 AM »
However, I don't understand the concept of not drinking for health reasons, barring some chronic condition that's inflamed by alcohol.   

Sorry, I can't resist flipping this argument:  I don't understand the concept of drinking purely for health reasons.  Would you recommend a glass of wine for people to drink every weeknight, along with mercury free fish-oil pills and a vitamin D supplement?

The world health organization puts it in the group 1 list of carcinogens (meaning: worst for you) along with some heinous stuff like asbestos.
And US Dept of Health and Human Services also classifies alcohol as a carcinogen http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/alcohol

As to studies that show that moderate alcohol consumption is correlated with long life -- well, there are issues with much of the research.  Correlation is not the same as causality.  Poke a little deeper and you'll find most moderate drinkers are also much richer, and being affluent is the best indicator of a long and healthy life.    At any rate, if you want to discuss further the health benefits of drinking, this might be a better thread; it was debated ad nauseam.
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/ask-a-mustachian/drinking-mustachian-or-not/msg229203/#msg229203

BTW, completely agree with you that moderate drinking is perfectly fine for many folks.  I'm not suggesting that no one should drink, ever.  But moderation doesn't work or is extremely difficult for a lot of people -- the reason being that alcohol is technically a poison and an addictive drug.  Period.  We pretend that it isn't, but it is, and that addictive quality hits some people harder than others.  There's a reason why some folks on this thread are abstaining for a while to check and see if they're in control.   People don't "take a break" from eating, say, oatmeal in the morning just to be sure they can.  (They can.)

Sorry for the argumentative tone, I don't mean for it to be there.  I just don't think that alcohol is harmless and no big deal unless you're really under 5 drinks a week and you have absolutely no issue giving it up for long stretches. 

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« Reply #65 on: March 19, 2014, 11:29:17 AM »
However, I don't understand the concept of not drinking for health reasons, barring some chronic condition that's inflamed by alcohol.   

Sorry, I can't resist flipping this argument:  I don't understand the concept of drinking purely for health reasons.  Would you recommend a glass of wine for people to drink every weeknight, along with mercury free fish-oil pills and a vitamin D supplement?

The world health organization puts it in the group 1 list of carcinogens (meaning: worst for you) along with some heinous stuff like asbestos.
And US Dept of Health and Human Services also classifies alcohol as a carcinogen http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/alcohol

As to studies that show that moderate alcohol consumption is correlated with long life -- well, there are issues with much of the research.  Correlation is not the same as causality.  Poke a little deeper and you'll find most moderate drinkers are also much richer, and being affluent is the best indicator of a long and healthy life.    At any rate, if you want to discuss further the health benefits of drinking, this might be a better thread; it was debated ad nauseam.
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/ask-a-mustachian/drinking-mustachian-or-not/msg229203/#msg229203

BTW, completely agree with you that moderate drinking is perfectly fine for many folks.  I'm not suggesting that no one should drink, ever.  But moderation doesn't work or is extremely difficult for a lot of people -- the reason being that alcohol is technically a poison and an addictive drug.  Period.  We pretend that it isn't, but it is, and that addictive quality hits some people harder than others.  There's a reason why some folks on this thread are abstaining for a while to check and see if they're in control.   People don't "take a break" from eating, say, oatmeal in the morning just to be sure they can.  (They can.)

Sorry for the argumentative tone, I don't mean for it to be there.  I just don't think that alcohol is harmless and no big deal unless you're really under 5 drinks a week and you have absolutely no issue giving it up for long stretches.

I would recommend a glass of wine every night, in fact it's what I do.   One of the top cancer researchers in the country, Dr. Agus just wrote a book called "A Short Guide To a Long Life."   One of his recommendations was to enjoy a glass of wine a night, a baby aspirin and to start consuming caffeine.   Along with laying off the supplements.    None of his recommendations came off the cuff, they were all things that were supported by a majority of clinical studies.

Personally, all the people I've known with alcohol or substance problems (and there have been plenty) didn't really have a substance problem.   They had a mental health issue they weren't dealing with.    Yes, alcohol can be addictive for some segments of the population.   But only something like 4-8% of the population is a true alcoholic.    I'll take a look around, but I believe there have been studies that took affluence into effect.   Indeed, wine is a major component of the peasant based Mediterranean diet.

Sun is potentially the biggest carcinogen in this country.   But obtaining vitamin D from a reasonable amount of sunlight is perfectly healthy.    I used to drink only to massive excess in college and my early 20s.   Then I started to deal with some of my life issues and I no longer have a problem drinking like a gentleman.   Find out what it is that makes you drink to excess (stress, social anxiety, unresolved family issues), and you'll no longer drink to excess.

Also, 3 of my grandparents were hardcore alcoholics.   None of them were ever diagnosed with cancer and they all hit their 80s.    So there's more at play here than simply the substance.

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« Reply #66 on: March 19, 2014, 11:54:52 AM »
Has anyone successfully learned to moderate drinking and do you have any suggestions?

It's difficult to moderate because it's addictive.  Your impulse center is telling you to drink because you've recently been drinking, and that's how the cycle works, unfortunately.  It's only after a week or so of not drinking that the impulses go down and your body chemistry goes back to normal.

That's funny. I don't find it addictive at all. I drink maybe 1-2 times per week. I usually have a glass of wine on Friday nights to celebrate the upcoming weekend and days of rest.

I think it is great to give up alcohol for any reason--financial, health, to cleanse. I just have not seen a need even though I have given up most sugars, GMO corn, and wheat. I have never found coffee to be addictive either. Every now and then, I have a cup with caffeine.




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Re: Alcohol free
« Reply #67 on: March 19, 2014, 12:55:20 PM »
So there's more at play here than simply the substance.

Yep, you are probably right.

One last post:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/16/health/16alco.html?pagewanted=all

Cheers.

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« Reply #68 on: March 19, 2014, 02:07:42 PM »
So there's more at play here than simply the substance.

Yep, you are probably right.

One last post:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/16/health/16alco.html?pagewanted=all

Cheers.

Good article, but you better not have screwed up my free views for the month!!!!

A non-alcoholic cheers to you also.

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Re: Alcohol free
« Reply #69 on: March 19, 2014, 02:16:42 PM »
Good article, but you better not have screwed up my free views for the month!!!!
Totally off topic, but I have this problem all the time... usually by the fifth of the month.

"Luckily" NYT has a backdoor deal with Google.

Copy the full headline of the NYT article, and then go to Google's home page.  Paste the NYT article headline into the Google search box and click on the search button.  The NYT article should be the first or second result.  Click on that, and because you're coming from Google the full article will display and the NYT won't count it against your limit.

Same with most of the WSJ articles.

Right then, back to the alcohol.  Or not.

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« Reply #70 on: March 19, 2014, 02:16:57 PM »
Also, the best we can say is that moderate drinking isn't necessarily tied to better health, yet moderate drinkers live the longest when combined with other life factors.  So in that case the drinking isn't hurting most people.   So I say keep drinking.   Wine makes food taste better.    There are nuanced flavors one can only get from a nice bottle of wine, bourbon or a micro brew.   It relaxes you, encourages conversation and is millenniums old.

Just don't be an a-hole.   Stop drinking cheap beer or flavorless vodka.   Have a small snifter of bourbon, scotch, anejo tequila....and just enjoy it.   Then stop yourself.   After all, fine alcohol is one of the things that makes futility of life bearable.

Which reminds me, it's time to make the wife a batch of IPA

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« Reply #71 on: March 19, 2014, 02:38:57 PM »
Quote from: greaper007 link=topic=12748.msg247669#msg247669
Good article, but you better not have screwed up my free views for the month!!!!

A non-alcoholic cheers to you also.

Absolut - ly.   I've enjoyed the discussion - there's data to support both sides, which makes it an interesting topic to think about.

BTW, incognito mode (AKA private browsing) works great to work around nytimes' cookie-based article limits.  (ssssssh!)

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« Reply #72 on: March 19, 2014, 03:41:15 PM »
Good article, but you better not have screwed up my free views for the month!!!!
Totally off topic, but I have this problem all the time... usually by the fifth of the month.

"Luckily" NYT has a backdoor deal with Google.

Copy the full headline of the NYT article, and then go to Google's home page.  Paste the NYT article headline into the Google search box and click on the search button.  The NYT article should be the first or second result.  Click on that, and because you're coming from Google the full article will display and the NYT won't count it against your limit.

Same with most of the WSJ articles.

Right then, back to the alcohol.  Or not.

And you can probably use https://duckduckgo.com/ for private browsing. I have not tested it out yet for the NYT situation, but I love this little search engine that keeps your searches private!




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« Reply #73 on: March 20, 2014, 06:49:26 PM »
Just to update, it has been 3 nights here without beer, small victory on my end considering I don't remember the last time in the years that have gone by where i actually didn't consume at least 1 alcoholic beverage over a 3 day period.

The debate is whether I should buy beer tomorrow, which i've ALWAYS done, Friday is that day, never skipped a beat.  Thinking of pushing it off until Saturday (to make myself not feel as anxious about it, but then I am hoping on Saturday to tell myself not to go at all).  If I can get through these two days, that will be a bigger victory.

God I sound like a fucking alcoholic. Maybe I am one.

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« Reply #74 on: March 20, 2014, 06:57:53 PM »
My vote is don't buy any at all.  Give yourself some more alcohol-free time--just to make sure it's not really something you are dependent on.  And it will be an opportunity to see if you feel different--better sleep, more energy?

I can understand how it can just become a habit--buying beer every Friday, or a glass of wine while cooking a meal.  Then it's hard to know if it's just a habit like taking your shoes off when you enter your house of it's a more dangerous habit bordering on addiction.  For me, I've not really been able to tell.  That's why it's just better for me to not drink.  Makes my life a lot simpler.

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« Reply #75 on: March 20, 2014, 07:10:41 PM »
On the $$ side, my wife and I were married and had our first kid right after hitting drinking age, so we had zero exposure to the bar culture. The few times I have been in a bar watching other people, it blows my mind. I'd much rather drink at home, at a cookout, etc.

I agree, I too have zero interest in the bar scene.  Always felt like I had better things to do. 

Not that I'm opposed to a good drink at home with friends.  But even then, I rarely drink.  Just very little interest in it.

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« Reply #76 on: March 21, 2014, 06:43:12 AM »
Just to update, it has been 3 nights here without beer, small victory on my end considering I don't remember the last time in the years that have gone by where i actually didn't consume at least 1 alcoholic beverage over a 3 day period.

Congrats.  I'm sure you'll be able to do it.  Are you feeling any better? 

You might want to check this book out of your library, "The Easy Way to Stop Drinking," by Alan Carr, it was helpful for me and you might get something out of it. 

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« Reply #77 on: March 21, 2014, 07:25:29 AM »
My vote is don't buy any at all.  Give yourself some more alcohol-free time--just to make sure it's not really something you are dependent on.  And it will be an opportunity to see if you feel different--better sleep, more energy?

I can understand how it can just become a habit--buying beer every Friday, or a glass of wine while cooking a meal.  Then it's hard to know if it's just a habit like taking your shoes off when you enter your house of it's a more dangerous habit bordering on addiction.  For me, I've not really been able to tell.  That's why it's just better for me to not drink.  Makes my life a lot simpler.

Agreed. For me it was definitely a habit (I usually run after work and then cook dinner, and a refreshing beer or glass of wine while cooking/after running is SO delightful), but I'm really glad I'm doing the Lent thing just to show myself that I can pretty easily break those habits if need be.

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« Reply #78 on: March 21, 2014, 12:31:45 PM »
Has anyone successfully learned to moderate drinking and do you have any suggestions?

If I'm having a drink or two at home, it's easier for me to keep it at "a drink or two" if I wait until later in the evening to drink. On the other hand, it's probably not the greatest idea to have a drink immediately before going to bed.

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« Reply #79 on: March 21, 2014, 01:53:39 PM »
I went from being a non drinker to drinking 4-5 nights a week during a stressful period of having a friend with cancer who eventually died from it. I recently cut wayyyy back, maybe one drink every two weeks. I feel better, it saves money, and my husband drinks less simply because it isn't as fun by yourself. Plus I think I gained a few pounds from drinking, and since I cut back I have dropped a few :) Win win all over.

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« Reply #80 on: March 21, 2014, 04:58:56 PM »
Wow, I've never really thought about it the way many of you seem to think about it. I had a couple of unfortunate events as a teenager and can't say I've drunk to the point of intoxication since then (that's more years than I prefer to add up ago...)

We often have beer in the refrigerator, that or a box of wine, and one of us will have something a couple of nights a week (mostly him over the last few months since I'm dieting). Sometimes he has whisky instead, but total of no more than two drinks a week regardless. If I needed to go the rest my life without ever having another drink, it wouldn't bother me, but it's not something I'm going to go to a lot of trouble to arrange. I do use some alcohol in making home remedies, and that would probably be my biggest regret.

Socially and professionally, it's not really an issue. I don't drink if I'm going to be driving anytime in the next 8 to 10 hours, and I've never hesitated to tell people I can't drive safely if I've had anything to drink. I'm small, so no one really questions it (it happens to be true). I think I must've had a drink in a bar at some point my life, but I can't remember right now. (Just remembered a concert in a bar in the 90s, so there's one).

In short, it just really hasn't been an issue one way or the other for me. It is very interesting seeing all the stories here, from people who don't really seem to have an alcohol problem,  but for whom it is just a much bigger part of their life.

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« Reply #81 on: March 21, 2014, 06:32:50 PM »
I find this a tough one predominantly because I love drinking and I could do it to excess all the time easily. I am therefore worried about moving towards FI and drinking to excess too often.

To be fair to myself I tend to drink a little over one bottle of wine per week at this point however typically that is one night of the week and I've never gone over that line into alcoholism.

Will I give up alcohol - no. I love a drink. Do I have to be careful - definitely.

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« Reply #82 on: April 14, 2014, 07:37:53 AM »
Update:  I've managed to stop having beers during the week, it's only Fri-Sun now.  Want to cut out Sunday as well, shouldn't be that hard at this point.  Consumption has gone down by about 70% so I am pretty happy about that.


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« Reply #83 on: April 14, 2014, 01:00:15 PM »
This is a really interesting thread.  I am completely alcohol free right now, but thinking about giving it up or cutting way back after this alcohol fast.  I do really enjoy drinking a quality glass of wine or hand-crafted beer and would probably still do some sampling.  I have a question for those of you who never drink alcohol.  Do you enjoy non alcoholic beverages when going out with friends?  Also, do you drink beverages other than water at home?

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« Reply #84 on: April 14, 2014, 10:15:00 PM »
This is a really interesting thread.  I am completely alcohol free right now, but thinking about giving it up or cutting way back after this alcohol fast.  I do really enjoy drinking a quality glass of wine or hand-crafted beer and would probably still do some sampling.  I have a question for those of you who never drink alcohol.  Do you enjoy non alcoholic beverages when going out with friends?  Also, do you drink beverages other than water at home?

I do! There are still a lot of fun and delicious drinks out there. Sprite is an excellent mixer (I particularly like sprite and cranberry), I make a cheapo orange julius at home, plus passion tea lemonade, regular lemonade, chai tea, hot cocoa with cream (sometimes with a bit of peppermint extract), sparkling grape juice (I feel fancy without the alcohol), Italian cream sodas, all kinds of tea hot and cold. I still have a weakness for white russians and margaritas, but there are so many options out there that don't contain alcohol that I don't feel deprived.

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« Reply #85 on: April 15, 2014, 10:40:42 AM »
This is a really interesting thread.  I am completely alcohol free right now, but thinking about giving it up or cutting way back after this alcohol fast.  I do really enjoy drinking a quality glass of wine or hand-crafted beer and would probably still do some sampling.  I have a question for those of you who never drink alcohol.  Do you enjoy non alcoholic beverages when going out with friends?  Also, do you drink beverages other than water at home?
I've never had an alcoholic beverage in my life (no coffee, either, actually), so I don't have some of the perspective that other posters have.  When my wife and I go out, we usually just have water with our meal--we're fine with soda, but it's a ripoff in a restaurant.  At home, we have juice, water, and milk to drink.  Occasionally we'll have soda, but that's pretty rare.  For special occasions, we'll sometimes get a couple bottles of sparkling grape juice or apple juice.  I don't really go out with friends--way too busy with kids, church, wife, projects at home, etc.  If I did, I'd probably just get a soda.

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« Reply #86 on: April 15, 2014, 12:39:17 PM »
This is a really interesting thread.  I am completely alcohol free right now, but thinking about giving it up or cutting way back after this alcohol fast.  I do really enjoy drinking a quality glass of wine or hand-crafted beer and would probably still do some sampling.  I have a question for those of you who never drink alcohol.  Do you enjoy non alcoholic beverages when going out with friends?  Also, do you drink beverages other than water at home?

I don't drink soda or juice, so when I am out with friends, I drink either water with lemon, or coffee, depending on the time of day.  I live in a very dry climate, so I need to drink as much water as I can anyway.

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« Reply #87 on: April 15, 2014, 04:54:28 PM »
I remember one cocktail party when I was caught without a ginger ale in my hand. A woman approached me with a cocktail in one hand, and a burning cigarette in the other. I automatically leaned away from her to avoid the smoke as much as I could. I suppose she noticed that and, having already consumed a number of cocktails, said to me belligerently, "What's the matter? Don't you smoke?"
"No, I don't" I answered briefly.
She noted my empty hand. "I suppose you don't drink either."
"No, I don't," I answered.
Whereupon she said angrily, "Then what the hell do you do?"
And in a normal speaking voice, I answered, "I fuck a lot."

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« Reply #88 on: April 15, 2014, 04:56:26 PM »
Awesome!

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« Reply #89 on: April 17, 2014, 06:55:09 AM »
Tea and coffee are stimulants, are safe for most people, and are valued. Tobacco and alcohol are relaxants, damage health, but are still valued. What we need are relaxing drugs which are as benign as caffeine. Caffeine is a non food substance which people use to make them feel better, so changing mood is a reasonable thing to do, in principle.

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« Reply #90 on: April 17, 2014, 02:04:00 PM »
I am fairly certain that spending the entire month of January alcohol free is what brought me here. It was just a thing i started of doing 30 days of something healthy each month. January was 30 days of not drinking. In addition to spending too much money on alcohol, i had been leaning on it too heavy to deal with job stress. What i found in not drinking was the clarity to realize i needed a new job, and within 2 weeks, the clarity to realize my relationship with money was all messed up. Somehow i ended up here and the rest is not just history but a new beginning.

Not to say i won't drink now and then, but it is just a thing to do, not a crutch. And the difference is saving a lot of money as well as feeling better in general and more clear minded to make better decisions.

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« Reply #91 on: April 19, 2014, 07:42:31 PM »
I am fairly certain that spending the entire month of January alcohol free is what brought me here. It was just a thing i started of doing 30 days of something healthy each month. January was 30 days of not drinking. In addition to spending too much money on alcohol, i had been leaning on it too heavy to deal with job stress. What i found in not drinking was the clarity to realize i needed a new job, and within 2 weeks, the clarity to realize my relationship with money was all messed up. Somehow i ended up here and the rest is not just history but a new beginning.

Not to say i won't drink now and then, but it is just a thing to do, not a crutch. And the difference is saving a lot of money as well as feeling better in general and more clear minded to make better decisions.

I know what you mean about finding clarity. The first time I had an extended no drinking period (3 months), I took a good look at our finances and realised we could easily afford a house like my wife had dreamed of all these years, so we did. The second time (6 months) I discovered the concept of ER through the likes of MMM sites and others, and 12 months later I was there. Makes me wonder what I'd come up with taking a whole year off booze!

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« Reply #92 on: April 20, 2014, 07:59:54 AM »
Tea and coffee are stimulants, are safe for most people, and are valued. Tobacco and alcohol are relaxants, damage health, but are still valued. What we need are relaxing drugs which are as benign as caffeine. Caffeine is a non food substance which people use to make them feel better, so changing mood is a reasonable thing to do, in principle.

I'm waiting for Big Pharm to recreate the currently fictional drug soma from Brave New World.   Hangover free "holidays" for all, with no negative health consequences.  I'd hit that.   

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« Reply #93 on: April 20, 2014, 08:20:34 AM »
Did anyone notice the OP stated he was going alcohol free for a month yet with 10 days left in the month he had already noticed the "affects of less alcohol" had on him.  You can't stop alcohol for a month if you are still drinking it.

I "try" to stop drinking my beloved Jim Beam every so often and I feel alot better when I am not drinking that is for sure.
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« Reply #94 on: April 20, 2014, 08:49:24 AM »
Did anyone notice the OP stated he was going alcohol free for a month yet with 10 days left in the month he had already noticed the "affects of less alcohol" had on him.  You can't stop alcohol for a month if you are still drinking it.
I don't think that necessarily means OP's still drinking.

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« Reply #95 on: April 20, 2014, 11:21:36 AM »
Did anyone notice the OP stated he was going alcohol free for a month yet with 10 days left in the month he had already noticed the "affects of less alcohol" had on him.  You can't stop alcohol for a month if you are still drinking it.
I don't think that necessarily means OP's still drinking.

Just an opinion, it may not be a fact, but you cannot tell the affects that alcohol has on the body unless you put it into your body.  OH wait that is a fact.

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« Reply #96 on: April 20, 2014, 05:44:44 PM »
Being pedantic is not always the best route to insight. OP could easily have been speaking colloquially

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« Reply #97 on: May 20, 2014, 02:50:20 PM »
My wife and I decided not to drink for the whole year - and so far it's been pretty easy. I feel better and seem to get a bit more done especially Sunday mornings which used to be my hangover recovery days. I was/am a bit of a binge drinker and am hoping that after a year of not drinking I will learn the word moderation.

 A local wine estate had a huge sale a couple of weeks ago - we picked up around 96 bottles of wine for around $1.30 each - all being stored for next year. At 2 bottles a week, that's pretty much the years intake sorted.

The year before I gave up smoking - now that's a habit I am certainly not planning to pick up again.

I have been joking with my wife that next year we should try give up meat, think it will be harder than alcohol though.

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« Reply #98 on: May 21, 2014, 09:02:22 AM »
A local wine estate had a huge sale a couple of weeks ago - we picked up around 96 bottles of wine for around $1.30 each - all being stored for next year. At 2 bottles a week, that's pretty much the years intake sorted.

What a steal. Cheaper than boxed wine, even!

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« Reply #99 on: May 21, 2014, 09:33:25 AM »
We've given up alcohol at home recently.  We were drinking wine with dinner every night. I know there is research on the Mediterranean diet that seems to show that wine with dinner is just fine and healthy, but I don't think it is the best way for us. 

No wine with dinner has meant more physical activity after dinner and we are feeling healthier. It is also saving us money.

We're going to keep it up -  the no alcohol also sets a good example for kids I think.