Author Topic: What's the most mustachian way to sell a house? FSBO? Realtor? Other?  (Read 658 times)

ericrugiero

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I will be listing a home for sale within the next month.  It's a nice home worth about $200K in a LCOL area.  The market is hot in our area but not white hot like some areas of the country. 

Paying 7% fees for a realtor seems pretty pricey.  I could sell the home for $10K less and still save money.  Is it worth it to pay a realtor or should I just list it myself on Zillow, facebook, etc? 

If selling myself, how do the fees for a buyer's agent work?  Do they get ~3% and I just save on the listing agent's fees? 

If selling myself, do I pay a title company to do a contract and hold an earnest money deposit from the buyer? 

Setting the price initially seems like the biggest hurdle.  I'm considering paying for an appraisal.  Is that worthwhile? 

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I used to only recommend FSBO if you could walk down the street and tell me what each house sold for.  Your biggest risk in selling FSBO is not knowing what the correct price is.  In today's market, its literally a housing lottery for sellers.  I would 100% be selling through an agent over the next year or so.  With homes being purchased for over list, you want as much exposure as possible. A home down the street from me was listed at 750k, went for 950k I knew the agent they said the highest offer was 70k over 2nd place.  You want to have that opportunity for someone outbid the 2nd place by a mile.  I get that's not your area but what if someone come in 15k over the 2nd place?  That's the commission right there.

Commissions aren't 7%, they start at 6% but you should be able to get it down to 5% at the most, and maybe 4% if you get a real hungry agent.  I'm about to list my house and I've already brought a few agents through.  I am going to ask each one to give me their best fee and I'm going to chose the lowest one.  I expect to the number to be around 4 to 4.5%.  But there's one agent my wife and i liked the most, if she's slightly higher than the lowest we'll go with her.

If you do go fsbo, don't get an appraisal, what you need to get is 3 or more agents walking through your house and hear what they say it will sell for.

As for handling the purchase, once the purchase contracts have been signed, send the money over to the title company and they will handle the rest.  Aside from a few disclosures you'll need to provide, that's it.     Its very easy to FSBO. 

And for the buying agents fee's you tell you will increase the price by 10k (or whatever 2.5% is) and you will give that to the agent, otherwise, pound sand. 

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We just sold our house FSBO 2 months ago and had the same discussion.  We're not super experienced (purchased 4 houses and sold 1), but encountered enough bad agents that we thought we'd take a chance doing it ourselves.  The rational was that if we didn't have reasonable offers within the first two weeks, we'd go with an agent.  It was an unusual home (renovated small 2 bedroom house with fancy huge garage) in a rural LCOL area, so comps were difficult.  We hired an appraiser for $450, set the asking price at that value, and mentioned in the ad that the house appraised for that much.  We're not in a hot market area, so we were pleasantly surprised to get two offers over asking within several days--- historically, I'm told houses nearby can sit for 6-12 months before selling.  Both people had their own real estate agents.

My opinion on the questions you're asking----

1) I don't think a listing agent added value.  Plenty of people were looking on Zillow, Facebook, and Craigslist--- about 30 inquiries in a week's time.  A friend of ours has a wide angle lens camera and took photos for us.  A professional appraisal carries more weight than real estate agent comps if the bank's appraisal comes up short and could matter if contested.  In our case, the bank appraisal was 5k less.  Just because a listing agent says you can get $xxx amount, and a buyer agrees to pay that amount, doesn't mean the bank will be willing to finance it.  If the buyer has significant cash to make up the difference, then it doesn't matter, but since you're in a LCOL area, people might be relying heavily on financing. 

2) I posted directly in the advertisement that buyer's agent would receive 3%.  I heard that is usually a sticking point with FSBO and steers agents away otherwise, and it was recommended to put that out there.  In your case, you'd potentially save 6k not having the listing agent.

3) Its usually the buyer that chooses the title company, at least where I am.  Buyer would send the check directly to them and you can just give a call to confirm its been submitted within 3-5 days or whatever the contract says.  Since our buyer had an agent, the contract and disclosures were provided by them and went through very smoothly.  Also, where I'm located, there are only two variations of sale contracts used, so there is nothing unexpected to see in the wording.  I understand agents generally use about the same generic paperwork--- just need to make sure you read through so you understand it all and be aware of anything that is written in by hand, what the check marks/boxes actually signify, and that nothing is omitted that should have been written in.

If your buyer has no agent, perhaps the two of you can discuss the general sales terms and then go to an agreed upon title company to have them write the contract and deal with the closing.

4) I already mentioned the appraisal and thought it was well worth the money.  An agent has incentive to skew pricing to get your business and in my case, would have likely received varying numbers.

Regarding @srad comments, thats a totally valid viewpoint and make lots of sense to me for some things.  Getting the house listed on the MLS would increase exposure and could make up for that 6-12k difference, especially for a house that's on the lower end of price scale like yours.  The approach I used when discussing sales price and agent fees, was to say "I'm willing to pay 3% to the buyer's agent, but was hoping to find someone without an agent and save that money.  Your offer would be more competitive if you could make up that difference".  As I mentioned before, I think the key is how much cash your buyer has, since its the bank that decides the amount they will finance.  If people in your area are relying on government loans without much down payment, you might be hard pressed to get much over appraisal value.  I hope I'm wrong and in my case, perhaps we could have gotten more money if we listed with an agent and gotten a cash buyer offering 25% more than asking price, but its a bird in hand vs two in the bush scenario.

@Omy is a retired real estate agent and maybe add some thoughts.

srad

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I've sold 2 by owner in the past, but that was before the market went nutz and you could actually buy a house for less than list as well as have a weekend to think about putting an offer in.  I'd also like to add that the 8 of my last 9 properties purchased were off market deals.  Why?  because they were cheaper than anything i could get off of the MLS.  Mainly because I didn't have to compete with anyone to get them.

If you are going to offer 3% to a buying agent your savings on a 200k sale price with 5% agents commission went from 10k to 4k.  In this market you are willing to save 4k and not get a chance to play the housing lottery?

Appraisal - sure you can get one but its pretty irrelevant.  Lets say yours comes in at 207,500.  You accept a 205k offer, the buyers appraisal comes in at 200k, you are still out that 5k or the buyer has to come up with additional funds and you just wasted 500-1000 for an appraisal. As long as you know the ballpark you are fine, ie 190k-210k.  Appraisals have a way of almost always end up being the sales price.  Yea, I've heard of several that didn't, but that's the minority.

Think about going with an agent first, and if you don't get the price you want, yank it and sell it yourself. Really up until this last year I would of said try to sell it FSBO, but its so hot this exact moment, you just don't know what kind of offer will come in.  If you want to go FSBO, that's fine too.  Maybe they don't sell for over ask in your hood.  If they don't then you know you won't be leaving money on the table.

Anyway, best of luck its a great time to sell!

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I just sold my house with Redfin. I was just looking through this topic to find the thread I started so I could post an update with the cost breakdown.  The realtors are salaried instead of paid on commission. Their standard rate is 1.5% to them and 2.5% to the seller's agent (we paid the full 3% to the seller's but that was because it was part of the offer we accepted).  Easiest house sale I've ever completed, but that could have been due to the market.