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Flyingstache

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5/1 Arm - Refi or Not?
« on: February 26, 2025, 11:32:52 AM »
Hello!

My wife & I bought my grandparents house from their estate at the end of 2023. We bought the house for $420k & got a loan for $330k. Due to some issues with family & how the estate was set up, our best option at the time of closing was a 5/1 Arm at 6.25%

Our mortgage (including escrow) is $2,548.01/month. $56/day is simply interest. We currently owe $321k on the house & it is worth conservatively, $450k.

I know rates aren't much better currently but I wasn't sure at what point it would become worth it to refi to a fixed rate at either 20yr or 15yr. I worry that in 2028 when the first adjustment comes on the interest rate that we could have an even higher rate.

My wife & I are both 33yrs old & are teachers in central OH. Recently welcomed our 4th child. In our stage of life right now our two biggest expenses, by far, are this house & our childcare. Between the mortgage & childcare, my paycheck is essentially used each month to cover those items.

At what point or interest rate would you say it is worth going through the refi process? I figured potential positives of such a move include getting a fixed rate locked in vs. one that adjusts every 5yrs & if we could reduce the term to 20 or 15, still pay a similar or smaller amount & have the principal paid down faster that would also be nice!

Just brainstorming right now & have reached out to a few lenders to get initial info.

Would love your thoughts & thank you as always for sharing your thoughts & wisdom!

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Re: 5/1 Arm - Refi or Not?
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2025, 12:03:03 PM »
#1 - any chance you'll sell before 2028?

#2 - if not or very close to zero, get some quotes and see what is available with zero points. I suspect you'll find that would be a higher interest rate than 6.25%, but if not, then no-brainer to refinance right now - manages your "rates go up" risk and also saves money today.

If rates are higher than your ARM rate, you can decide where your line is - 7%? 6.5%? 8%? Up to you how much that fixed-rate is worth to you today, and potentially into the future.

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Re: 5/1 Arm - Refi or Not?
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2025, 01:09:12 PM »
Not going to opine deeply at the moment, 'cuz, things to do. Just a scrap of anecdata...

I had a 5/1 ARM. At about year 4.25 I was in a tizzy to switch to a fixed rate loan, which I did. Then mortgage rates proceeded to drop and drop and drop. If I'd waited it out, my ARM would have been below 2%. Ah, the things you don't know and can't predict...

First of all find out which index your loan is tied to. That's going to matter a lot in your decision.

You'll get a lot of excellent help and nuanced discussion if you ask your question(s) here:

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/throw-down-the-gauntlet/dont-payoff-your-mortgage-club/3450/

Flyingstache

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Re: 5/1 Arm - Refi or Not?
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2025, 06:56:01 PM »
Have heard back from 1 lender so far & here were the numbers they provided. This would be no points & total closing costs of $2,500 which could be rolled into the loan if needed

321k @ 6.125% over 20yrs = $2323PI

321k @ 5.61% over 15yrs = $2642PI

321k @ 5.49% over 10yrs = $3483PI

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Re: 5/1 Arm - Refi or Not?
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2025, 11:05:48 AM »
Here is info from another lender

Here’s the 20-year fixed option, which makes the most sense given that rates are relatively similar to the shorter 15- and 10-year terms. Plus, there are no prepayment penalties:

 

Loan Details:

Loan Amount: $321K
Property Value: $450K
Term: 20-Year Fixed
Option 1:

Rate: 5.99%
Estimated Closing Costs: ~$3,500
P&I: $2,298
Option 2:

Rate: 6.375%
Estimated Closing Costs: $0
P&I: $2,370

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Re: 5/1 Arm - Refi or Not?
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2025, 12:57:27 PM »
Not going to opine deeply at the moment, 'cuz, things to do. Just a scrap of anecdata...

I had a 5/1 ARM. At about year 4.25 I was in a tizzy to switch to a fixed rate loan, which I did. Then mortgage rates proceeded to drop and drop and drop. If I'd waited it out, my ARM would have been below 2%. Ah, the things you don't know and can't predict...

First of all, find out which index your loan is tied to. That's going to matter a lot in your decision.

You'll get a lot of excellent help and nuanced discussion if you ask your question(s) here:

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/throw-down-the-gauntlet/dont-payoff-your-mortgage-club/3450/
I see you posted there. We love it when people actually take our suggestions. It makes us want to help them more.

You missed something important, though.

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Re: 5/1 Arm - Refi or Not?
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2025, 07:59:28 AM »
Apologies for the delay but finally got the information that was requested @Dicey

Per the CD -

Index + Margin = 5yr CMT + 2.75%

Initial Interest rate = 6.25%

Minimum/Maximum Interest Rate = 6.25%/11.25%

Limits on interest rate changes = 3%

Hopefully this helps!

Thanks!

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Re: 5/1 Arm - Refi or Not?
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2025, 08:08:01 AM »
The other aspect you need for the apples-to-apples assessment is your property tax and possibly home owners insurance. I believe either or both of those are included in what you are paying now since you mentioned "including escrow" but neither would be included in the P&I quotes you're getting from the lenders.

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Re: 5/1 Arm - Refi or Not?
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2025, 06:50:42 AM »
Property taxes for 2025 are $5,412.08

Insurance paid in full & will need to be renewed in Sept - $1,861.88

Thanks!