Thanks all for responses so far!
@uniwelder, thanks for playing devil's advocate! I do want to make sure I'm thinking through everything.
Is there a lot of deferred maintenance? Are the tenants really rough on things? I'm wondering how you're not making any money on this house. With the current rent of $3,850, you should pull in $1,470/month over the mortgage. It doesn't sound like you've had a vacancy, so what is costing you so much for repairs and maintenance? That's 35k for the past two years! And you say it's been break even averaged over the past 6 years, so you've had to put in something like 100k in its relatively short rental life. What's going on?
On the income side, yes I currently pull in $1470/mo but it wasn't always this good. Here's an annual run-down because I think people often make this sort of comment, but this will show some reality, and the nature of the expenses more detailed below:
2017, I was negative just based on market rents compared to my mortgage at the time (only refinanced to current rate in 2020), and on top of that I had expenses getting the house ready for rental after we moved out. Overall, negative by thousands.
2018, I raised rents and had a little cash flow over my mortgage, but expenses got me negative by thousands.
2019, left rent same and expenses got me negative by thousands.
2020, raised rent a little but had 10 days of vacancy; expenses were low so was positive by $740 for the year, Yay!
2021, raised rent a little more and my refinancing reduced mortgage effective at beginning of year, plus in the refinancing I got to skip the first month payment? I actually haven't thought through where that money comes from to skip the payment, but i've put it as $0 for the month on my spreadsheet. Managed to be positive for the year by several thousands, but not enough to cancel out prior losses.
2022, raised rent a ton but took a 1 month vacancy to do upgrades and had some other expenses, positive by under $500 for the year.
2023, raised rent more, and had ridiculous expenses, positive by $2750 for the year.
2024, so far rent is the same, but have just had major expenses. Currently, down $3500 for the year.
The house is just kind of old, built in the 50's. Just this week I had over $6k in expenses to replace some cast iron sewage piping that was rusting completely closed and backing up a bathtub. If these tenants weren't so fussy and hard to schedule around, I might have saved some by getting more quotes on the work. In 2023, I had major expenses due to a mold issue from exterior walls that had never been insulated accumulating condensation on the interior from the temperature differential, which required me to put the tenants up in an AirBnB. Then again in 2023, I had to tent the house for termites and put them up in an AirBnB. This second AirBnB probably could have been avoided if the tenants hadn't been unreasonably freaking out about a few termites, and could just have waited until they were on vacation or something. Prior to these tenants moving in in mid-2022, I put in quartz kitchen counters which was more thousands. And in years past, there were 3 other moderate to major expenses/upgrades installing heat pump HVAC, tiling a shower, replacing a patio cover, plus replacing various appliances over the years.
I've been lucky in that none of my tenants have been rough on things. I keep thinking after every major expense, this has GOT to be it for a long time now, right?? I didn't have to do some of these upgrades, but they have probably helped me increase rent at the rate that I did. In theory, if the major expenses stop, this property should be a great income generator... But that roof, though...
Also, depreciation works in your favor with taxes while you're a landlord and working a full time job. If you waited to sell when your husband retires, assuming you file joint taxes, you'd probably come out ahead. If interested in the numbers, you'd really have to talk to someone that actually knows what they're talking about--- not me.
I'm not working anymore and my partner and I are not legally married, so it doesn't help him. Also, he makes too much to deduct losses, and when I was working, I also made too much. So, there are a bunch of tax losses in the property that have not yet been taken, I guess that could help on sale cap gains.
edited to add--- I wonder when you say "as background over the last 2 years I have not even broken even with all of my maintenance/repair expenses compared to the rent I’ve taken in." that is considering the number that shows up when you do taxes. In that case, it could be normal and fine. It's entirely possible all the money going in your pocket might be negated on paper by the depreciation. It would just be a paper loss, actually helping with your taxes. Do you think this is the case? Otherwise, I have no idea how you're spending 17k/year on repair/maintenance.
Nah, it's not this.
@BECABECA, I'll have to look into this property tax basis transfer stuff more. I don't really understand it, but I'm guessing it wouldn't work out for us. We have other homes we are living in/going to live in already.
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@BECABECA, I thought if we move back in for 2 years, it will still only be like some pro-rated portion of the cap gains exclusion? I've always thought there was a pro-ration and have always been confused why nobody talks about it. Am I wrong? Also, I own this property in my name alone, so would max get $250k exclusion. I don't think we would do it, in the end.