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Motivation/To-Do List/Progess Tracking Apps & Websites
« on: July 22, 2014, 01:57:46 PM »
I haven't seen anyone else mention these services and how to use them, so I thought I would write up a quick recommendation/review post of a couple prominent ones. Please add any more recommendations in the comments, I know there are many such services out there that have their own focuses.

Why track behavior?

There are about a million studies out there that confirm the same thing: if you are trying to change your own behavior, keeping track each day is an essential tool for monitoring your progress and motivating continual improvement. This applies to anything from reducing unwanted behavior such as negative self-talk, stress-eating, or stress-spending, as well as re-enforcing desired behavior such as daily exercise, regular chore performance, or fix-it-yourself tasks. This forum already provides a great opportunity through the journal posts for people to track their behavior and progress towards their financial goals. These programs offer some more functionality.

If you have a financial goal, tracking your behavior and progress are going to be really helpful in successfully completing it.

Recommendation: HabitRPG

I started using HabitRPG about 6 months ago, so I have a pretty good understanding of its strengths and weaknesses. I love it.

The basic format is this: behaviors/tasks fall into 3 categories. Habits, Dailies, and To-Dos.
-To-Dos are one-time tasks, such as fixing an appliance, paying a bill, or preparing for a move, that do not occur on a regular basis.
-Dailies are tasks or behaviors that repeat on a fixed schedule, between 1 time per week to 7 times per week. For example, brushing your teeth might be a task you would set to occur every day of the week, while going to the gym could be set to repeat on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays.
-Habits are behaviors that occur regularly but without a fixed schedule, or less frequently than once per week. For example, organizing the garage might need to happen every couple months.

Tasks can also be broken down into smaller steps with lists. For example, I am selling some things online. "Sell Table" can have a checklist with the steps such as "Take Nice Photos", "Create Craigslist Post", "Arrange Time to View", and finally, "Sell!".

The hook for HabitRPG is that the "theme" is like playing a game. You play as a little 8-bit character. Each time you successfully complete a task, you receive a reward in the form of game-money, experience, and possibly, little virtual pets. If you fail to complete a task by its due-date (the end of the day for a daily, or the end of an optional due-date on a to-do), you will lose a little health. Money can be spent on in-game rewards like costumes, or customizable real-life rewards like watching a favorite tv-show or going out to dinner at a favorite restaurant.

Strengths of HabitRPG:
  • Free to play (optional tip jar or subscription)
  • Daily tracking of behaviors such as spending, eating, exercise, language/music/art/gardening practice
  • Can keep track of streaks of good behavior with dailies, such as 5 days bringing lunch into work in a row
  • Designing dailies and to-dos encourages breaking down big tasks into smaller, more manageable chunks
  • Form a team of friends or join a guild (I am thinking of making an MMM guild) to tackle challenges and discuss tips
  • Low risk of 'punishment', focus is on rewarding good behavior
Weak Points of HabitRPG
  • Website and app are still being developed and improved
  • Better for tracking day-to-day behavior than progress towards long-term goals
  • Some people may not find the gamey-ness as motivating
Recommendation: Beeminder

I have NOT used Beeminder, so keep that in mind. I researched it before I started using HabitRPG, deciding that was a better fit for me. I may use Beeminder in the future though, because they've got different strengths.

Beeminder is for setting longer-term goals and updating progress along that road. For example, paying off 10,000 of debt by Dec 31st, 2014. You set the starting condition, and then each day must update the progress manually or connect another app/device to log it automatically. You can set multiple different goals with different end-dates. When you set a goal, you also create a contract between yourself and the Beeminder company, basically a bet that you will succeed. If you fail, you have to pay up your bet.

Beeminder provides excellent progress graphs. At the beginning of your journey, it will create a 'path' from your current situation to the end goal. This path with have swaths on either side. This is called the 'yellow brick road'. As you update your progress, the graph will add data points. For example, July 22, 2014, 9,000 left to pay off. July 23, 2014, 8,060 left to pay off. If these data points are within the swath of 'acceptable progress', you can watch as your progress data points match up with the path set at the beginning of the goal.

The hook with Beeminder is that there is a failure condition that can cost money - if you fail to update for too long, or you update but your progress falls off the yellow brick road (out of the zone of acceptable progress), then you pay the app developers a small to large amount of money. REAL MONEY.

Strengths of Beeminder
  • Can be free to use
  • Set long-term goals and have a progress plan made-up/graphed out for you
  • Focus is on steady progress towards goal, with a little wiggle room from one day to the next
  • Integration with many other devices/services for automatic updates
  • Higher risk of real world 'punishment' if you do not make progress on your goals (motivating for some people)
Weak Points of Beeminder
  • Less focus on the day-to-days and to-dos
  • Less focus on rewarding positive behavior, esp. doing one-off tasks or those occasional things that don't track as well
  • Less gamey (for those of us for whom its fun!)

So I hope some folks here will find this useful. There are bazillions of these sorts of programs out there will different focuses and strengths and weakness. I have also tried:
-Remember the Milk (good for keeping track of weirdly repeating things, like once every 3 weeks, or a to-do that is 8 months in the future)
-MyFitnessPal (good for meal tracking, also exercise and weight tracking)
-Fitocracy (I tried it but didn't find it particularly motivating)

Here is a list of a number of other services: http://blog.beeminder.com/trackhack/
I haven't tried most of these, but if you have, please leave your feedback for other forum users.

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Re: Motivation/To-Do List/Progess Tracking Apps & Websites
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2014, 02:20:04 PM »
Good Post, thanks for sharing :)

Both Hubby and I use HabitRPG it appeals to the geek/gamers in us. Hubby has tried many different systems but this one he seems to be able to stick with.

I'll have to check out beeminder...not sure about the paying when you fall off the wagon idea...Brilliant on the side of the dev's.

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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2014, 02:45:38 PM »
Just checked out HabitRPG - it looks super fun! Very excited to start using it. If you haven't made an MMM guild yet, please do! I'll join in a heartbeat!

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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2014, 03:14:07 PM »
Well, I figured I would go ahead and make a guild for us, since there's at least a couple people interested. The guild is public, and is called "Mustachians of Habitica".

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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2014, 03:59:49 PM »
Thanks for setting the guild up :)

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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2014, 04:16:24 PM »
HabitRPG sounds interesting. Not sure I would be able to get into it... I was a hardcore gamer when I was a teenager but one day I woke up, went to pick up the controller and went "meh." Since then, no video game has been able to hold my attention for more 15 minutes.

Maybe I'll give it a try anyway.

I really like the taskwarrior program, but it has a command-line interface only. Even though I am perfectly comfortable on the command line (developer/sysadmin), I know myself well enough I that I will enter in a bunch of data and then forget about it. I have plans to make a web GUI for it that works on all devices. Look, it's even on my todo list...

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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2014, 10:17:53 PM »
I discovered HabitRPG since the beginning of June 2014 and I've been using it ever since; highly reccommended.
One thing you forgot to mention though is that to use it, you need the virtues of honesty and self-control, otherwise it doesn't work. Those who try to cheat the system will quickly find boredom and give up. This is a productivity game for only honest people.

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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2014, 09:08:05 AM »
I have to say that I'm finding the Habits section really motivational. I put "learn a new recipe" which makes me excited to learn new things! I got to punch "try new recipe" which I'm eager to do again... though I made enough food last night to supply me for at least a week (minimum). Little things like "finish a book" gives me new motivation to push through to the end of a dry book, and "stop eating crap" makes me rethink my snack choices.

How do you regain health that you lose? What happens if your health goes down to zero?

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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2014, 02:02:32 PM »
You can regain health buy buying health potions and completing tasks there is an exhaustive help wiki under the FAQ section. It is uber useful for setting things up and seeing how they work and getting good functionality out of it.

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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2014, 06:11:04 PM »
How do you regain health that you lose? What happens if your health goes down to zero?

The wiki is useful, but there are two basic ways: buying a health potion, or reaching full experience and going up a level. Going up a level completely fills your health.

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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2014, 09:13:24 AM »
Great post.

I'd add the app Lift - I've heard really great things.

https://www.lift.do/
http://lifehacker.com/5939526/lift-for-iphone-keeps-you-on-track-helps-you-master-seinfelds-productivity-method
http://lifehacker.com/lift-for-android-keeps-you-motivated-and-on-track-to-yo-1498279778
http://lifehacker.com/lifts-guide-to-meditation-is-a-data-driven-introduction-1566847372

I used to be more into productivity type things, but lately I've changed my attitude.

Just like how I spend whatever I want, and don't buy stuff I don't want, I work on stuff when I want, and don't if I don't feel like it.

I don't care what my "productivity" level is.  I do what I want when I want.  Now there's no guilt about things.  I just don't really care about being productive anymore, in the same way I don't care about buying things.

But I can understand those who are still striving for "productivity," as I was in a similar place not too long ago.
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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2014, 09:33:10 AM »
I use Todoist. It's a to-do list website that can sync with your phone. I like how the structure of it is set up. You can have multiple "Projects" and each project can have sub-projects down to 3 levels deep. Each project/sub-project can be assigned tasks. Tasks can also be organized with sub-tasks down to 4 levels. You can set color-coded priorities as well. It's pretty intuitive to use.
https://en.todoist.com

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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2014, 11:13:06 AM »
If anyone is looking for something simpler, just for the purposes of tracking, and less so for motivation (outside of the motivation of keeping track of this sort of thing) I'm a fan of GoalTracker.

 -It's free.
 -You can set as many goals and sub categories as you'd like.
 - You can set either yes/no goals or numerical value goals - so it works as well for brushing your teeth daily as it does for tracking debt repayments.
 - You can divide them up by day/week or month, and you can set whatever long term timeline you like.
 - There is a "dynamic adjustment" feature, so if you're falling behind on something, it will automatically increase your future targets so you will still hit your goal.
 - It gives you a red/yellow/green progress bar for a quick visual.
 -You can set check-in reminder notifications.
 - You can also go back and update prior days if you forgot something.

I use it on Android. Unsure if it's available for iphone.

My only complaint with it is that it starts your week on a Sunday, and you can't change that.

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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2014, 12:01:14 AM »
I've used Beeminder for about a year and a half now, and found it extremely helpful at keeping me on target for some items that I just couldn't seem to get done without a push. And yes, I've fallen off the wagon a couple times, and paid up, and it's still more than worth it.

Highly recommended.

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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2014, 11:03:29 AM »
A lot of this seems overcomplicated but if it helps, it helps.

I personally just have a small notebook that's falling apart and write my to-do list on that. I don't always finish everything but it's helped me a lot since I've started and there's a nice satisfaction to just physically cross something out as being done. I also write notes and tidbits that are important like addresses, phone numbers, etc, to transfer to somewhere else later. It's pretty convenient for me and honestly 1 of the best things to happen to me.

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« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2014, 06:19:24 AM »
I use Todoist for my todo list, and HabitRPG for habits and daily tasks. My home cleaning routine is something kept in the latter, while in the former I will note a task I need to do now or somewhere in the future. Before everything was simply in Todoist, but I've got friends who use HabitRPG and the social motivation certainly helps. It also aided me in establishing some new positive habits.

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« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2014, 08:58:30 AM »
I LOVE Habit RPG. It has helped me with so many habits and changes I wanted to make in my life. It also completely disproves the idea that it's hard or impossible to form more than one habit reliably in a given time period. You just have to make it more fun and motivating to change multiple habits, like Habit RPG does, and then it becomes easy.

I highly recommend http://habitrpg.com to anyone who has a to-do list, and has an ounce of competition in them. What I love about the 'game' is that the gamification elements are just interesting enough to keep me using the system (unlike GTD by itself), but not so interesting that I spend too much time at the site. It's by far the best website I've ever encountered, if the standard I'm rating it at is how useful, beneficial, and worthwhile it is in my life as a whole.

Followed closely by mrmoneymustache.com, of course. ;)

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« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2014, 09:46:59 AM »
  • Form a team of friends or join a guild (I am thinking of making an MMM guild) to tackle challenges and discuss tips

Can the other people in the guild see actual items on your list, or just your progress in general?
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« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2014, 11:20:18 PM »
I've been using ticktick.com to track my todo list. It's got a really nice android app and lets you share lists with people and the shared list updates almost instantly as things change. I will have to check out habitrpg though.

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« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2014, 11:45:30 PM »
Oh cool, I've been using HabitRPG for a month or so now since Ambergris mentioned it in her journal.  Off to find the mustachian guild :)

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« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2014, 03:29:49 PM »
Just joined HabitRPG and my first impressions were pretty good.  The real test will be to see if I can stick to it!

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« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2014, 03:37:51 PM »
Great info!