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Looking for a college computer... again
« on: May 13, 2013, 10:49:29 PM »
Our daughter's 2009 Macbook battery is dying/dead.  Its error message is "Power source:  battery.  No batteries available". 

It's led a hard college life, living in a backpack and being flung around the campus or operated on top of pillows and fluffy sofa cushions.  She's had it in the Apple Store a couple times for minor repairs, but I think it's the original battery.  I know the Macbook has a new hard drive in the last year, and its magnetic latches on the cover are bad-- the ones that click onto the clamshell when you shut it to tell the battery to hibernate.  I remember she had its CPU running so hard one day that I could hear the cooling fan from across the room, and it sounded like a turbine winding up for launch.

So the Macbook has probably reached its effective end of life, and she still has senior year to go.

Last fall she hijacked asked to borrow my iPad/wireless keyboard rig, and I think she's been using that for classroom work while her Macbook sits in her room for serious word-processing and number crunching.  I'm not sure exactly how she's been using her computers, only that there have been no complaints.

The good news is that she might be over her Mac fandom.  I have a three-year-old Win7 ThinkPad that I could offer her, but its battery is only good for about 60-90 minutes.  It also weighs more than her Macbook, so she might not be interested. 

I don't know whether she'll be looking for a 13"-14" screen for hauling around campus again, or whether she'll want a 17" screen to sit on a desk in her room.  She does not own a TV and this is her last year of college, so she might want a fairly big machine that could double as a desktop in her post-college apartment or sit on a table for streaming Netflix.  Maybe she'll use a DVD on it, but maybe she does most of her videos by streaming.

I've heard a lot of grumping about Win8 but that's not my problem.  I know some manufacturers have put out touch-screen Win8 laptops, which would be a natural for a Mac/iPad user, but I don't know how reliable or affordable those are. 

I'm not sure whether I'll even be consulted on this issue, since she's a civil-engineering major with plenty of computer-geek friends.  I just want to be able to hold up my end of the conversation if asked.  She's on NROTC scholarship (with a stipend) and she won a couple of other small scholarships this year, so I suspect that she has at least $800 burning a hole in her budget.

She'll be home tomorrow for a month of surfing (woo-hoo!), so she has plenty of time to test-drive and order online.  Any recommendations?

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Re: Looking for a college computer... again
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2013, 05:42:53 AM »
Thinkpad.  Whether it's that 3 year old one of yours or a "new" one fresh from the Lenovo Outlet, Thinkpads are quality and can take a beating.  My dad has a T42 that still looks brand new and he uses it every day.

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Re: Looking for a college computer... again
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2013, 06:15:39 AM »
Nords, Macbook batteries are surprisingly easy to replace for half the cost of what Apple would charge... still a PITA compared to regular laptops, but very doable. You'll need the guides over at iFixit, a tri-wing Y1 screwdriver, and a new battery from Wegener Media for the make/model. You should be able to pick everything up for under $60, and it's a 15 minute repair so long as you keep track of all your screws.

Why Wegener Media? Good prices on OEM Apple batteries from a reputable and long-time Apple parts dealer. You don't have to worry about getting a cheap knockoff that'll fail in under a year this way off Ebay.

As for replacement recommendations, I'll second a Thinkpad, specifically the T series. If it comes down to buying another machine, scrounge outlet.lenovo.com for something like the T420/T520... or just buy a beefier 9-cell battery for your existing Thinkpad if it's available.

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Re: Looking for a college computer... again
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2013, 02:12:10 PM »
Nords, Macbook batteries are surprisingly easy to replace for half the cost of what Apple would charge... still a PITA compared to regular laptops, but very doable. You'll need the guides over at iFixit, a tri-wing Y1 screwdriver, and a new battery from Wegener Media for the make/model. You should be able to pick everything up for under $60, and it's a 15 minute repair so long as you keep track of all your screws.
Intriguing.  I'll see if I can get her interested in that.  We'll have to take a look at the clamshell magnets too, and anything else that's broken recently. 

Thanks!


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Re: Looking for a college computer... again
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2013, 02:23:59 PM »
Why Wegener Media? Good prices on OEM Apple batteries from a reputable and long-time Apple parts dealer. You don't have to worry about getting a cheap knockoff that'll fail in under a year this way off Ebay.

Dang. I should've asked Daley about Apple OEM batteries before sending my wife to the Apple Store to have her 2009 MBP battery replaced. Now I know. Thanks (again), Daley!

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Re: Looking for a college computer... again
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2013, 03:21:48 PM »
Should she decide to stick with Apple hardware, it might be worth it to wait a few weeks as Apple is expected to refresh some of their laptop lines in June. And of course, don't forget to use the educational discount or even the interest free financing (dat time value of money yo) if your heart so desires.

http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/

Note that right after the refresh, there is usually a short period of time when the previous model can be had for a discounted price. Sometimes it's worth it to upgrade, sometimes not, YMMV.

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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2013, 03:36:23 PM »
Should she decide to stick with Apple hardware, it might be worth it to wait a few weeks as Apple is expected to refresh some of their laptop lines in June.
That's been an interesting family dynamic of teen rebellion. 

I've been PCs my entire life (since the XT clones) and only used Macs when there was no other choice.  (The military used to be Mac-hostile.)  So naturally our Millennial daughter wanted a Macbook and an iPhone, which we grudgingly supported.  It's what all the cool kids were doing in high school & college.

Meanwhile at Hale Nords I was struggling to keep two old Dell Inspiron laptops and our Dell Vostro desktop communicating with an ancient HP color laserjet.  Usually I'd get wireless network printing all set up and running fine, and then some random cosmic ray (or Windows update) would knock something off the network.  Usually it happened just before the big high school project deadline.  I'd have to get out my chicken feathers and goat entrails USB printer cables so that people could print while I got everything working again.

In the middle of one of these seemingly weekly IT frustrations, our daughter celebrated her 17th birthday and happily pulled her new Macbook out of its cardboard box.  I didn't offer to help her set it up because she didn't ask-- independence!  But even more astoundingly, a few minutes later in the middle of my PC desktop/laptop troubleshooting the printer puked out a piece of paper... and it had a Mac test pattern on it.  "It just worked." 

That was nearly four years ago, and since then she's become increasingly disillusioned with Mac products.  If she wants to go PC then I'll probably try to fix the Macbook anyway.  When her iPhone contract runs out and she goes Android, then I'll probably see what I can do with the "old" iPhone too.

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Re: Looking for a college computer... again
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2013, 06:01:04 PM »
A few months ago I got my college son a second hand MacBook pro. 2011 model, 8GB, 500 GBP drive. In the box, all original everything. Like new. 725 bucks.

The IT pro at work recommended them. He says they are still damn fast. You can get a check list online to go through.

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Re: Looking for a college computer... again
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2013, 06:57:27 PM »
I think you first need to find out where your daughter stands on needing/wanting a replacement. If she's okay with using the iPad to take to class and the macbook at her desk, then you don't even need a battery for the macbook. If that's how she wants to go but she wants to improve the desktop experience, money might be better spent on an external monitor for the laptop.

I have heard folks complain about the fan getting noisy on aging macbooks, and have also heard folks say they largely remedied it by opening it up and blowing out the dirt and crud that had built up inside. With improved airflow, the fan has to work a lot less.

I have two macbooks from 2007. One for me, one for the wife that she no longer uses. Only one has a battery, which doesn't hold much of a charge. They still work fine. Damn things will not die. The one with the battery is my regular notebook. The other is... backup? Experimental? I'm running Ubuntu on it just to try it out.

Anyhow, I bet with a battery fix and some other tweaks your daughter's current machine is still very usable. See if there are better ways to use that money to improve her computing experience.

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Re: Looking for a college computer... again
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2013, 07:07:18 PM »
Intriguing.  I'll see if I can get her interested in that.  We'll have to take a look at the clamshell magnets too, and anything else that's broken recently. 

Thanks!

No problem! Another option to consider if it's worth repairing and a desire to switch back to Windows is present is to just save the money on another laptop and have her grab a copy of Win7 from her university tech support department (most colleges and universities toss out Windows licenses like candy on July 4th parades to their students for cheap/free) and just install that on the MBP as the hardware is still plenty sufficient. That's the nice thing about the Intel era Macs, you can now install Windows or x86 Linux on the hardware relatively painlessly.

https://www.apple.com/support/bootcamp/

Dang. I should've asked Daley about Apple OEM batteries before sending my wife to the Apple Store to have her 2009 MBP battery replaced. Now I know. Thanks (again), Daley!

I only know recently myself because I've been working on a friend's '09 MBP that's needed a little love and upgrading. A new WD Black hard drive and a pending replacement battery should breathe a whole lot of new life into that old machine.

Should she decide to stick with Apple hardware, it might be worth it to wait a few weeks as Apple is expected to refresh some of their laptop lines in June. And of course, don't forget to use the educational discount or even the interest free financing (dat time value of money yo) if your heart so desires.

http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/

Note that right after the refresh, there is usually a short period of time when the previous model can be had for a discounted price. Sometimes it's worth it to upgrade, sometimes not, YMMV.

A few months ago I got my college son a second hand MacBook pro. 2011 model, 8GB, 500 GBP drive. In the box, all original everything. Like new. 725 bucks.

The IT pro at work recommended them. He says they are still damn fast. You can get a check list online to go through.

Did the deal in Starbucks. Awesome. He's still thrilled by it.

A good option is to avoid buying new altogether and just going refurbished: http://www.macofalltrades.com/
« Last Edit: May 14, 2013, 07:09:49 PM by I.P. Daley »

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Re: Looking for a college computer... again
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2013, 09:11:51 PM »
hm, just to bring up a point, might be moot but what major is she studying? I ask because some software that classes use (AKA engineering/science/language) may use proprietary software and may not support apple. Rarely the case, but I've run across the odd ball professors that used windows only programs before

that said, I'm for picking up a cheap desktop (<$200) and an older tablet (android or ipad). You said she used the tablet+keyboard setup fairly well in class, I see no reason to not continue this. Desktop even a cheap one has more processing power than tablets and can multitask for research purposes. For notetaking, I don't see why a tablet wouldn't suffice. It's easier to carry and normally longer battery

but I'm for replacing the macbook battery. If this isn't something you want, you could sell it and add it to the new computer fund. Someone will want it to replace it themself

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Re: Looking for a college computer... again
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2013, 09:22:49 PM »
hm, just to bring up a point, might be moot but what major is she studying? I ask because some software that classes use (AKA engineering/science/language) may use proprietary software and may not support apple. Rarely the case, but I've run across the odd ball professors that used windows only programs before.
Civil engineering.  She'll have a Navy commission in May '14 for either submarines or surface ships, and probably nuclear power training along with that.

She's running into the compatibility problem both with professors (Windows programs only) and websites (won't download databases to Macs).  I'm not familiar with the latter issue but we'll look into it.  I wouldn't think that a database would care about the OS but I don't know the details.

Once we sort out all the user issues, we'll probably look at a little of everything-- give her my old Thinkpad (14", i3, Win7), replace its battery, replace the Macbook battery, and see if its other broken bits can be fixed.  If either of us can rehab the Mac then it'll either be a spare, or a video player, or Craigslist fodder.

I've also been considering upgrading the Thinkpad's HD to a Samsung 500 GB SSD, so maybe we'll do that now.  I did that upgrade on our desktop about six months ago and it's been a huge improvement.

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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2013, 09:31:06 PM »
She's running into the compatibility problem both with professors (Windows programs only) and websites (won't download databases to Macs).  I'm not familiar with the latter issue but we'll look into it.  I wouldn't think that a database would care about the OS but I don't know the details.

Once we sort out all the user issues, we'll probably look at a little of everything-- give her my old Thinkpad (14", i3, Win7), replace its battery, replace the Macbook battery, and see if its other broken bits can be fixed.  If either of us can rehab the Mac then it'll either be a spare, or a video player, or Craigslist fodder.

Definitely sounds like a strike against a tablet. If the Mac is/can be kept, it definitely sounds like doing the Boot Camp + free-to-cheap Windows license from her college might afford the greatest flexibility for the least amount of cash and equipment redundancy.

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Re: Looking for a college computer... again
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2013, 07:01:44 PM »
Update:

Our daughter talked with the Genius Bar at the Apple Store for a repair estimate.  The battery appears to have reset itself after a couple of 100% discharge cycles and is now behaving normally (although it's only good for 3-4 hours instead of 5-7).  The magnetic clamshell switches are still bad, and the camera has stopped working.  The Geniuses are quoting $350 and up for the clamshell and camera repairs, but they really don't know because they'll just ship it back to an Apple refurb site and replace it with a refurbed model.  However despite these flaws, her Macbook still plays a movie and that's "good enough" for her.

She likes using her iPad on campus (along with a Logitech Bluetooth clamshell keyboard), so she might not bother trying to fix the Macbook if she can just use it at her off-campus apartment and not schlep it around the campus.  She can see that the Navy uses more PC-friendly equipment on ships & subs, so her Macbook won't have much use outside of her living room.  Even when the Navy has gone Mac, they tend to just buy iPads in bulk.

Maybe someday the Macbook will piss her off again, and I'll get to tinker with clamshell magnets plus a new camera.  Or not.  Maybe she'll sell it to one of her fellow college students who's willing to do the hardware work.

Last year when I discovered used iPad2s and Logitech Bluetooth keyboards, she scarfed up my first set as soon as she saw it.  It's the new cool campus tool.  I went back to Craigslist and Amazon.com and did it all again for a second iPad2/keyboard combo under $300, and I haven't used my three-year-old i3 14" ThinkPad Edge in over six months.  I gave that laptop to her, and it works with all her special-purpose civil engineering software & websites.  To avoid campus backpack hard-drive abuse, we refitted it with a six-cell battery ($21) and a Samsung model 840 500GB SSD ($335)-- and now it's a screamin' machine.  It boots in 15 seconds.  Its battery also lasts for over four hours because it's only operating a cooling fan (not so much) and it no longer has to spin a hard drive. 

Best of all, she did most of the work.  She also backed up the Mac and her Thinkpad to her own external drive, so it's all "her" hardware.  Now she has a Thinkpad, Macbook, iPad, iPhone, iPod Touch, and an iPod Nano. 

I've been married for nearly 27 years, but I was still blindsided by the next event.  When I bought my Thinkpad in 2010, my spouse liked it so much that a couple months later we bought one for her.  (Works for me, too-- I like having only one model of laptop to maintain/troubleshoot.)  Last month my spouse watched my daughter and I geeking out with all of our hardware and tools, and of course we proudly showed her how much faster the laptop booted with the SSD.  "Unfortunately" I didn't appreciate how my spouse would feel about her own personal Thinkpad Edge with its legacy spinning-platter hard drive.  I know, this is extremely clear in hindsight, but I was too focused on helping our daughter with her computer problems.  Shortly after our daughter's computer problems were solved, I was ordering another SSD for my spouse's laptop.

So our daughter's laptop problems were solved for about the same price as the Genius Bar would have charged her, but it cost me an extra SSD for my spouse.

The unexpected side benefit of upgrading my spouse's laptop is that she no longer complains about the speed of our DSL modem or our wireless network.  I no longer have to unplug/reboot them every week when I hear "Dear, my Hotmail & MS Office aren't responding fast enough so your Internet must be broken".  I was even able to get her to switch from Firefox to Chrome, so my spouse tech-support calls are way down.

I've been running the same model of SSD in our desktop PC for over six months, and it's been flawless.  I can't hear the desktop's CPU cooling fan or its case ventilation fan unless I have the cupboard door open, and that cupboard is at least 15 degrees cooler without a spinning hard drive whining away in there.  I sure hope these SSDs last for a few years, because they've been the most significant quality-of-life upgrade around here since we bought a Prius.