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Chef's Knife Advice?
« on: November 29, 2014, 02:58:06 PM »
Good afternoon mustachians,

I have been thinking for some time to pick up my wife a nice chef knife, something that will kind of be a "buy it for life" type thing.  I am not entirely sure what I am looking at but I have heard of Wusthof being a great brand and found this http://www.amazon.com/Wusthof-Classic-6-Inch-Cooks-Knife/dp/B00009ZK07/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417297423&sr=8-1&keywords=wusthofs on Amazon.

Is what I found good or would you all go with something else?

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Re: Chef's Knife Advice?
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2014, 03:26:04 PM »
I don't have any experience of that brand so can't comment on it other than to say I know they have a good reputation. When I researched buying a good knife one that stood out was Global. I treated myself to a 20cm (about 8 inch) chefs knife and find it covers about 95% of all knife use, everything apart from really specific tasks like boning or slicing bread. That was over 10 years ago and it is still in great condition, takes a wicked edge pretty easily and hopefully will see me out!

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Re: Chef's Knife Advice?
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2014, 03:59:38 PM »
That's an alright knife.  My husband (a chef) prefers J.A. Henckels twin 4-star as a brand, though I'm not sure why.  He does avoid anything with rivets in the handle for his own knives, claiming they're more prone to having something go wrong with them than a handle that doesn't have external rivets.

We have a lot of knives, but the only three *I* ever use are the 5.5" santoku (7" is too big for me, and I prefer the flat bottom blade shape to a conventional chef's knife shape), paring knife (can't recall off the top of my head if it's the 3" or the 4"), and 5" serrated utility knife.

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Re: Chef's Knife Advice?
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2014, 04:13:39 PM »
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Re: Chef's Knife Advice?
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2014, 04:50:48 PM »
I have a Wustof Classic 8in Chefs knife that works fantastically.     I bought it with Crate and Barrel gift certificates from my wedding 7 years ago.    http://www.amazon.com/Wusthof-Classic-Chefs-Knife-6/dp/B00AEJ7Z2I/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1417304827&sr=8-3&keywords=wustof+classic+chef   It's pricey, but it should last you forever.

A lot of pros swear by industrial kitchen knives that you can pickup at any industrial kitchen supply shop.    They shouldn't run you more than about $40 a piece.     In fact, Anthony Bourdain pretty much mocks expensive knives in Kitchen Confidential saying that they have no place in a professional kitchen.

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Re: Chef's Knife Advice?
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2014, 05:02:24 PM »
I have Henckels I got at Costco 5 years ago.  Decent blade that take and hold an edge well.  Would probably recommend as a beginner set of kitchen knives.

I also have a 30+ year old Forschner (Victorinox) that was handed down to me.  Again, it takes and holds the edge well. 

Wusthoff is well regarded but has always seemed more expensive than the two prior brands I mentioned.  Same goes for Shun.

Anything high carbon is typically a good choice and so long as you treat it well (don't put it in the dish washer, don't leave wet, learn how to use a steel and a stone), it should last you forever. 

EDIT: http://www.costco.com/J.A-Henckels-International-10-pc-Forged-Cutlery-Block-Set.product.100090964.html
Found that, similar to what I bought years ago.  I feel a very good price for what you get.
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Re: Chef's Knife Advice?
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2014, 05:35:00 PM »
Purchased an 8" Wusthoff (and a small knife block set) a few years ago for my parents, and loved them so much I promptly bought a set for myself. Expensive brand, but worth it. I've heard positive things about Henckels but have no experience with them.
« Last Edit: November 29, 2014, 07:03:25 PM by Inkedup »

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Re: Chef's Knife Advice?
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2014, 05:59:34 PM »
Purchased an 8" Wusthoff (and a small knife block set) a few years ago for my parents, and loved them so much I promptly a set for myself. Expensive brand, but worth it. I've heard positive things about Henckels but have no experience with them.
I have a set of Wusthoffs that I bought more than 20 years ago. They have been my only knives ever since, we use them every day, and they are good. We bought my parents a set a bit later (just under 20 years ago). My mother recently dropped one (I think it was the 6" cooks knife), and it landed point first on the ceramic floor tiles and broke. I suggested that she ring them up as they have a lifetime guarantee (my SO said don't be silly, any knife is going to break after that), and they replaced it by return post, so the lifetime guarantee is true! My brother is a chef and uses them - that's why we bought the Wusthoffs.

The 6" is mum's favourite knife, whereas mine is the 8".

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Re: Chef's Knife Advice?
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2014, 07:07:02 PM »
Purchased an 8" Wusthoff (and a small knife block set) a few years ago for my parents, and loved them so much I promptly a set for myself. Expensive brand, but worth it. I've heard positive things about Henckels but have no experience with them.
I have a set of Wusthoffs that I bought more than 20 years ago. They have been my only knives ever since, we use them every day, and they are good. We bought my parents a set a bit later (just under 20 years ago). My mother recently dropped one (I think it was the 6" cooks knife), and it landed point first on the ceramic floor tiles and broke. I suggested that she ring them up as they have a lifetime guarantee (my SO said don't be silly, any knife is going to break after that), and they replaced it by return post, so the lifetime guarantee is true! My brother is a chef and uses them - that's why we bought the Wusthoffs.

The 6" is mum's favourite knife, whereas mine is the 8".

Wow! That's definitely good to know. Did you have to pay for the shipping cost?

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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2014, 07:24:58 PM »
Purchased an 8" Wusthoff (and a small knife block set) a few years ago for my parents, and loved them so much I promptly a set for myself. Expensive brand, but worth it. I've heard positive things about Henckels but have no experience with them.
I have a set of Wusthoffs that I bought more than 20 years ago. They have been my only knives ever since, we use them every day, and they are good. We bought my parents a set a bit later (just under 20 years ago). My mother recently dropped one (I think it was the 6" cooks knife), and it landed point first on the ceramic floor tiles and broke. I suggested that she ring them up as they have a lifetime guarantee (my SO said don't be silly, any knife is going to break after that), and they replaced it by return post, so the lifetime guarantee is true! My brother is a chef and uses them - that's why we bought the Wusthoffs.

The 6" is mum's favourite knife, whereas mine is the 8".

Wow! That's definitely good to know. Did you have to pay for the shipping cost?
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Re: Chef's Knife Advice?
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2014, 01:36:42 PM »
Good afternoon mustachians,

I have been thinking for some time to pick up my wife a nice chef knife, something that will kind of be a "buy it for life" type thing.  I am not entirely sure what I am looking at but I have heard of Wusthof being a great brand and found this http://www.amazon.com/Wusthof-Classic-6-Inch-Cooks-Knife/dp/B00009ZK07/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417297423&sr=8-1&keywords=wusthofs on Amazon.

Is what I found good or would you all go with something else?

I've got that exact knife. Works great. Huge improvement over the cheaper knives I've bought in the past.

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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2014, 02:39:43 PM »
We've used Henckel's Four Star knives for 24 years & love them. Good knives make such a difference. I agree about choosing high carbon steel & a full tang. Hold them before buying to make sure they fit your hand. You don't have to buy a set; start with the absolute basics & add as you increase your cooking skills. The french or chef knife has a curved cutting edge & is considered the most essential, either 6" or 8". We now have both sizes. Add a paring knife & a serrated knife for bread & tomatoes. We also have a boning knife & carving knife.

Very important: store knives securely & separated from each other. This protects the edge & prevents anyone from getting cut. You want either a block on the counter, a slotted insert in a drawer, or a magnetic strip. If you use a block with vertical slots, store knives upside down to keep the cutting edge off the block. We installed a long magnetic strip in a shallow drawer; this allows us to see what knife to select without having to pull it out of a block & it keeps our counters clear.

Use either a wooden or poly cutting board. Glass cutting boards or plates dull your knives. Boards also keep your countertop clean.

Finally, do not put good knives in a dishwasher or let them soak. This can harm the knife or cause someone to get cut. It takes no time to wipe one clean, dry it, & replace it.

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Re: Chef's Knife Advice?
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2014, 03:06:08 PM »
Very important: store knives securely & separated from each other. This protects the edge & prevents anyone from getting cut. You want either a block on the counter, a slotted insert in a drawer, or a magnetic strip. If you use a block with vertical slots, store knives upside down to keep the cutting edge off the block. We installed a long magnetic strip in a shallow drawer; this allows us to see what knife to select without having to pull it out of a block & it keeps our counters clear.
+1

I bought a wooden block, and have it screwed to the under side of one of my top cabinets. It means the knives are always available, and they are out of reach of young children. We have the same set as this poster 6" + 8" chefs, boning knife (almost never used), serrated edged knife, paring knife. Apart from the boning knife they are all used every day.

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Re: Chef's Knife Advice?
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2014, 10:00:53 AM »
I get the point in fancy knives but I just use a fishing fillet knife for virtually everything.  I have this neat sharpener and away I go.   Works on virtually anything. 

I know this is an xmas gift type of thing but you might look at thrift stores.  Seems they always have kitchen knives for free.   

One cool thing in the knife category is the magnetic deals you put on the side of cabinets.   I just like the idea of seeing the various knives displayed and ready for action.

Whatever you do, buy an easy to use sharpening device.  (not a rod or stone but one that stand up with a "v" section you pull the knife through.  3 passes and my knife shaves hair.)

A sharp knife is a safe and good knife. 

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Re: Chef's Knife Advice?
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2014, 01:11:04 PM »
The Victorinox knives are inexpensive and sharp. They are the favorites of Cooks Illustrated. Here's the 8" chef's knife for $30: http://smile.amazon.com/Victorinox-Fibrox-8-Inch-47520-5-2063-20/dp/B000638D32/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417637422&sr=8-1&keywords=victorinox+chef+knife

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Re: Chef's Knife Advice?
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2014, 02:50:12 PM »
I have a wusthof 8" grand prix that I use for very nearly everything.

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Re: Chef's Knife Advice?
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2014, 09:13:42 AM »
I just bought the Victorinox Fibrox 8" version based on the Cook's Illustrated and Wirecutter reviews. IMO, it performs just as well as Wusthof and Henckels knives (both of which I have owned).

The stamped blade is definitely thinner than a forged knife, which I like for precision. In particular, I like that the textured handle is grippier than a "classic" chef's knife.

It also comes with a lifetime warranty, and at $30, even if I somehow destroy and go through one per decade, I will still come out ahead pricewise over a single 8" Wusthof that lasts 30 years.

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Re: Chef's Knife Advice?
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2014, 04:35:01 PM »
I love to cook and am a bit of a knife addict.  I have everything from some very expensive knives (given to me as gifts), Henkels 4 starts, Wustoffs, Shun, etc.  My everyday knife is still the inexpensive rubber handled knives that you get at Restaurant Depot or kitchen supply stores.  As long as you know how to sharpen them, these things work great and don't have to be babied because they are expensive.  But, if I didn't know how to sharpen them, I would probably stick to a higher grade knife that maintains it's edge longer.

Make sure you invest in a good ceramic steel and use it every day.  No use having a nice knife if you don't maintain it properly.

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Re: Chef's Knife Advice?
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2014, 05:52:04 PM »
I just bought the Victorinox Fibrox 8" version based on the Cook's Illustrated and Wirecutter reviews. IMO, it performs just as well as Wusthof and Henckels knives (both of which I have owned).

We bought a fibrox 8" for ourselves, and then got the Wusthof 8" from our wedding registry.

Want something that looks great and feels like you're about to make great art?  Wusthof.

Want the best value?  Fibrox.  The knives both cut equally well and hold a hell of an edge.  I suspect, based on the thickness of the blade, the wusthof miiiiiiight just last a little longer over its life, since it's heavier and thicker.

But yeah - if price/value is an issue, get the Fibrox.  Wonderful knife at much lower cost.

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Re: Chef's Knife Advice?
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2014, 08:54:33 PM »
Another vote for an 8" Wusthof chef's knife.  But then, I have big hands for a woman, and a smaller knife might be better for someone who's more petite.  I also have a 6" Henckel's and a Global Santuko chef's knife, but reach for the Wusthof for almost every job, though I'll grab the Henckel's for small jobs like chopping a few veg for an omlette.  The Global chef's rarely gets used.  Aside from a good paring knife, my second favorite is my Global vegetable knife, which is awesome if you do much cutting of things like winter squash or need anything resembling a cleaver.  http://www.amazon.com/Global-G-5-inch-Vegetable-Knife/dp/B00005OL46/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1417751501&sr=8-2&keywords=global+vegetable+knife

Also, another vote for a magnetic knife bar.  They are awesome; I have the MIU France one.  I couldn't easily remove our old one when we moved, and it was one of the first things I bought for the new house.  http://www.amazon.com/MIU-France-Stainless-Magnetic-20-Inch/dp/B0000DZDHB/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1417751627&sr=8-3&keywords=magnetic+knife+bar

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Re: Chef's Knife Advice?
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2014, 07:17:42 AM »
I am a total kitchen knife junkie - I love having a great set that I will use 'for life'
As a housewarming gift to myself I bought a set of Shun Elites when I found a store selling the demo set for less than half price. (This was before I discovered MMM).

But with that said, speaking from a purely mustachian point of view, I don't think wustoff/shun/etc are worth the price if your goal is to keep your expenses down. There are plenty of decent cheaper knives out there that will also last for life and give you the same user experience if it feels good in your hand. (Note you'll have to take good care of any knife, regardless of price for it to last a lifetime)

With THAT said, if this is a gift and it's expected you spend more than $40 on, Wustoff is a great choice. I had narrowed my search down to Wustoff or Shun, and went with Shun because of the big discount.

Because Shuns are cut to a finer edge point I find it has made them less durable than what you would find ona standard edge. I dropped a knife on my wood floors ONCE and the tip broke off. Luckily when I sent them to Shun for sharpening they lost my knives and just sent me a brand new set.
I bought a whetstone now and don't send them away for sharpening.

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Re: Chef's Knife Advice?
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2014, 07:34:59 AM »
Also, I've also learned that the size of the person's hand does not determine the best knife size.  Sara Moulton is a professional chef who is maybe 5 feet tall and she loves to use a 10" chef's knife.  The longer the blade, the larger the cutting "sweet spot" - similar to a golf club. 

Wusthof and Henckels are both good brands.  Commerical kitchen/restaurant stores also carry high-quality brands.  Once you meet a certain quality threshold, find the best purchase price.  And as others have said, treat them with respect and they will last a long time.

There are three knives I primarily use in the kitchen:  8" chef's knife, bread knife, pairing knife. 


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Re: Chef's Knife Advice?
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2014, 09:39:58 AM »
+1 to the Victorinox

I would buy the Victorinox and with the money saved, purchase a Japanese water stone for sharpening.

I have a couple Henckels knives and a Global knife. I always find myself reaching for the Victorinox.

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Re: Chef's Knife Advice?
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2014, 07:30:48 AM »
I have the Victorinox too. It's pretty much the only decent knife I have ever owned so I can't compare it to the more expensive ones, but I cook a lot and it works for me (and I generally trust CI :))

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Re: Chef's Knife Advice?
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2014, 02:22:04 PM »
I strongly recommend the Vitorinox Fibrox 8" chef knife (6" isn't nearly as useful). It's very well-made and a good price.

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Re: Chef's Knife Advice?
« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2014, 07:25:16 PM »
I've been using the same chef's knife for 20 years or so. Just took a look to see what kind it is…yup…Wusthof.

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« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2014, 04:20:30 PM »
I strongly recommend the Vitorinox Fibrox 8" chef knife (6" isn't nearly as useful). It's very well-made and a good price.

^This. I have a set of heavy German steel knives also, but this is the knife that I reach for and use the most often. It's wickedly sharp right out of the box and takes an edge well.

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Re: Chef's Knife Advice?
« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2014, 05:50:54 PM »
I strongly recommend the Vitorinox Fibrox 8" chef knife (6" isn't nearly as useful). It's very well-made and a good price.

^This. I have a set of heavy German steel knives also, but this is the knife that I reach for and use the most often. It's wickedly sharp right out of the box and takes an edge well.

I'm thinking about getting my daughter the 6" Victorinox Fibrox for Christmas. Gotta get the kids working on their knife skills, and my knives are all too big for their little hands.

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Re: Chef's Knife Advice?
« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2014, 03:48:52 PM »
If IKEA is an option, the Gynnsam Series is great, great value. I love it, I used to be a knife nut and cannot imagine another chef-knife to better spend money on.

Virtually all Victorinox knives are good value too, I especially like their serrated utility knives for the kitchen.
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