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jgold723

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Car recommendations
« on: March 06, 2023, 06:49:34 PM »
It has come time for me to trade my beloved 2005 Toyota Matrix (purchased on the recommendation of folks here). It won't pass inspection because of significant rust issues.

So, I'm back again for recommendations of something that will at least come close to that car for it's versatility, economy, low maintenance AND ability to haul 8' long 2x4s as well as tow my utility trailer (light loads)

In general I'm thinking Japanese. I'm also looking at AWD, which I know isn't the pinnacle of economy, but I'm tired of changing snow tires here in Maine.

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Re: Car recommendations
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2023, 10:26:26 AM »
i had a mazda 3 hatch back that could fit 8 ft lumber with the seats folded down - they almost rubbed the dash but i did it many times. Alas the older ones were FWD only - i had snow tires i ran on it here in CO. i didnt drive much so left them on year round

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Re: Car recommendations
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2023, 01:07:45 PM »
How about a Corolla SE hatch?

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Re: Car recommendations
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2023, 01:11:57 PM »
Toyota Yaris

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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2023, 09:16:10 AM »
Sorry, but 4WD won't save you from needing snow tires. Just get a set of cheap steel rims, get the winter tires mounted, and swap them out twice/year. It's good practice for your teenagers, if you have any -- knowing how to put on a spare is a big life skill.

Signed: someone who just drove over a mountain pass that was closed for avalanche mitigation just before we got there.

On the upside, with proper tires you don't probably need 4WD unless you're going to be driving on really dicey roads. Get a solid FWD and good tires, and you should be good in most conditions!

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Re: Car recommendations
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2023, 09:20:05 AM »
Agreed on snow tires still being important. I'd much rather drive a FWD car with epic snow tires than an AWD/4WD vehicle without them.  Some exceptions for certain super aggressive all terrain truck tires, but even then there are only a couple that come close (Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac and Kenda Klever KR601 come to mind, with Kenda having a significant edge).


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Re: Car recommendations
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2023, 08:42:29 PM »
I live in dread of my 03 Matrix needing to be replaced, but when it does, I plan to look seriously at a Honda HRV.  Apparently the specs are very similar to Matrix, and I agree the carrying capacity and versatility are great.

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Re: Car recommendations
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2023, 10:13:29 PM »
The HRV is just a lifted, bloated, angry Fit. It doesn't gain any substantial space, and you pay more for it (and probably the tires and the gas and...)

I'm not looking forward to when we have to replace the Fit.

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Re: Car recommendations
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2023, 04:24:31 PM »
The HRV is just a lifted, bloated, angry Fit. It doesn't gain any substantial space, and you pay more for it (and probably the tires and the gas and...)

I'm not looking forward to when we have to replace the Fit.

I have a knee jerk negative reaction to the Fit because a friend’s son was killed in one on the highway.  I live in an area dominated by big trucks, vans, SUVs and semis and wouldn’t feel safe in anything that small.  My Matrix feels dangerous enough sometimes.

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Re: Car recommendations
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2023, 04:39:10 PM »
The HRV is just a lifted, bloated, angry Fit. It doesn't gain any substantial space, and you pay more for it (and probably the tires and the gas and...)

I'm not looking forward to when we have to replace the Fit.

I have a knee jerk negative reaction to the Fit because a friend’s son was killed in one on the highway.  I live in an area dominated by big trucks, vans, SUVs and semis and wouldn’t feel safe in anything that small.  My Matrix feels dangerous enough sometimes.

I spent ten years driving around everyday in a Chevy metro that weights something like 700 pounds less than a Honda Fit.

The Honda Fit is just a lifted, bloated, angry metro.

ETA: Please note I am not, in any way, recommending a metro. It was incredibly cheap to buy and run but also unreliable and unsafe.
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Re: Car recommendations
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2023, 09:39:45 PM »
Fit's a lot closer to the Prism (hatch) than the Metro. A bit shorter, and about equally taller. Only weighs about 150-250 lbs more than the Prism, which with safety features (numerous airbags, abs, traction control, the navigation unit, etc) added since 1990 isn't bad.

Sorry about your friend's loss, but I can't say I've felt particularly unsafe in the Fit on the highways here (midwest university town). When we got the Fit we also looked at the Matrix/Vibe and they aren't really that different in terms of size nor mass.

Edit: On the HRV hate -- Honda added that and then discontinued the Fit in the US. They [HRV] are almost literally why we can't have nice things.

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Re: Car recommendations
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2023, 11:45:45 PM »
Just thinking about vehicle safety some more - I really think this is a personal choice that people will have to choose what level of safety they would like. People will never universally agree on what is 'safe' and 'unsafe'.

When I was driving around in the metro - at the time - the lack of safety did not concern me at all. The car was cheap to buy and had excellent fuel economy, so it seemed like a good trade off at the time. I never once actually felt unsafe driving it. Eventually the car died on its own.

If you look at the Mitsubishi Mirage - this is probably as close to a metro as one can kind find in the modern age. It is still heavier, and has more safety features, than a metro. But these days I would not drive a mirage because it doesn't seem like a good trade off of economy vs risk for me anymore. I already have money, and it's not a risk I'm willing to take.

Similarly I would not ride a motorcycle, because I consider them unsafe. But other people seem to think riding a motorcycle is safe enough, or that the benefits outweigh the risks at least.

This is just one of those personal choices everyone will have to make for themselves. Sort of like what their favorite color is, or favorite flavor of ice cream. There is no universally correct answer.

If we wind up getting into a vehicle safety argument on the forums it will turn into one of those never ending arguments, kind of like if the 4% rule will always be valid in the future. It ultimately just comes down to personal risk tolerance levels.

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Re: Car recommendations
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2023, 09:19:22 AM »
Toyota Rav 4 Hybrid was offered with AWD starting in 2016 I believe.
It would have Prius levels of reliability, with more cargo space, ground clearance, and AWD.

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Re: Car recommendations
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2023, 01:49:07 PM »

In general I'm thinking Japanese. I'm also looking at AWD, which I know isn't the pinnacle of economy, but I'm tired of changing snow tires here in Maine.

We're also in the market to replace a Matrix.  Ours was from 2003.

We've been in the market for six months because I/we have yet to see a used Toyota hatchback I'd call a good deal.  Even semi-reasonable but still borderline-facepunch-priced RAV4s and similar go the same day they're listed.

If my endurance runs out on the used market, we'll probably just suck it up and buy a new base model Toyota Corolla Cross or Subaru Crosstrek.  Both are AWD and $23-24k.

Buying new cars is for suckers, but I think dropping $10k+ on a car with 100k+ miles is an even worse move.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2023, 02:00:42 PM by caleb »