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Title: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: hoping2retire35 on October 13, 2016, 06:31:56 AM
Is this anyone else's plan? Anyone done this?

If I attain my FIRE amount of money (enough to live and help others) then I may not do this as extensively but If I can barely FI and just need to spend time doing something I'll do mostly this.

Large public forest I can almost walk to, two large public lakes with public woods esp in the coves and lower swamp areas, national forests nearby, also another national forest near my parents. I could definitely see myself doing this in the mornings, picking up kids after school and taking them out to keep going all afternoon. I may ride bikes, a horse, or even buy a used atv, but will mostly walk.

please share
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: ender on October 13, 2016, 06:35:16 AM
We would love to, though our biggest issue is social interaction.

Generally the places you can do this cheaply are fairly isolated from other people.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Jdslepp on October 13, 2016, 06:44:06 AM
I live near national and state forests and love to hike there every weekend, but that won't depend on the size of my 'stashe.  I go for 4-6 hours at a time just for fun.  It sounds like a nice, healthy interest for you!
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: hoping2retire35 on October 13, 2016, 07:14:00 AM
We would love to, though our biggest issue is social interaction.

Generally the places you can do this cheaply are fairly isolated from other people.

Lol, I'll still get social interaction. I am not planning on moving. Actually Atlanta less than 2hrs away, so if I need to see something in a big city it is not too difficult. We actually haven't been back since getting stuck in traffic for 4 hours and missing our comedy show, almost 9 years ago.

Probably only go camping on weekends or when kids are out of school.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: lizzzi on October 13, 2016, 08:14:24 AM
I am across the road from the walking trails of a 4,400 acre Metropark. It is why I bought this little house I live in. I started walking there once a day, but now that I have a dog, I am in the park two or three times a day--easily walk two hours a day and more like two and a half to three hours. It is soul-satisfying--being out in all weathers at different times of day, seeing the changing seasons in the colors of the leaves, the different wild flowers--the sudden surprises as deer cross the trail in front of you--mostly does, sometimes fawns, the really occasional huge buck with antlers--a great blue heron zipping across the creek practically in front of your nose--a barred owl flying across the trail right in front of you in the evening, then landing on a nearby tree and staring at you for a while--geese, ducks, squirrels, chipmunks, toads, a garter snake, a gorgeous luna moth in the evening--this is all so priceless. I don't think I could ever live somewhere without nearby natural beauty that I could immerse myself in. So to answer your question, OP, yes--I want to mostly spend my time in the woods.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Jon_Snow on October 13, 2016, 11:11:58 AM
Forests. I like them. :) I just returned to the city from my own bit of forested nirvana.

Anyone who happened to follow my FIRE-saga knows that one of my "places" is a on small island in the PNW. Heavily forested with cedars, Douglas firs, red-skinned arbutus (madrone)...interspersed with a few farm fields - but trees will always be the dominant feature here. And surrounded by a teeming-with-life sea. At certain times, in certain places, the mingling of scents of the trees and sea creates an intoxicating bouquet.

I am not what you would consider a "flakey" person...but when I wander in amongst the woods (which I do often) I feel SOMETHING that I cannot explain.

One of the reasons for my mad dash to FIRE was so that I could spend more time here. During my career regular visits helped me keep my sanity (barely)...now it serves to maintain my current post-FIRE happiness.

So, yes to the woods for me. :)
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Northwestie on October 13, 2016, 12:54:14 PM
A nice read on the subject:  https://www.amazon.com/dp/0140081135/?tag=mh0b-20&hvadid=7009408089&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_301yt12oac_e

I live near three national parks and a ton of USFS land - so even while working spend a lot of time here - not to mention my work.   But looking forward to exploring a bit more soon.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: lthenderson on October 13, 2016, 01:36:26 PM
I have 40 acres that borders over a million acres of national wilderness area. Wouldn't trade it for the world and I've been offered 50x what I paid for the land and a small cabin in recent years.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: frompa on October 13, 2016, 01:49:30 PM
The timing of your question encourages my response, because a few months into ER, I am finding that we are spending much time in the forests, some near home, some a couple of hours' drive away. Only a few hours ago, we returned from this week's three-day jaunt to a state forest a few hours away, where we hiked on Tuesday and biked nearly the entire day yesterday.   We were in swamp land, on the tops of mountains, and crossed many creeks. When we were done, we sat for a few hours in the late afternoon sun on a lake, where I knit, kept an eye out for the bald eagle I'd seen the day before, and watched the fishermen. Each walk, I saw a multitude of mushrooms sprouting, along with the teaberries in the underbrush. (Ha ha, even in the woods, I am food-oriented.)   Each night, we sat for hours in front of our fire, sometimes chatting, but mostly listening to the night sounds of the forest, enjoying the warmth of the fire as the coldness of the night crept up behind us. 
A few weeks ago, we did a similar car-camping/biking trip in the Finger Lakes area of NY, and next week we're heading out for 3-4 days of trail riding/camping with a group of friends, leaving from home.  Having the time and mobility to make these small trips has added tremendously to my appreciation of life.  There's something magical to me, too, in stretching into the time that used to be "work time" -- my sweetie and I were chuckling over how it seems last weekend was just here, and now it's nearly this weekend.  The middle of the week, which used to be so measured and demanding, now all but disappears as we are completely engaged in whatever adventures we find.  Even I am surprised at how easily we are taking to living so much in the outdoors.   I hope you get the chance to go for it!
   
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: cschx on October 13, 2016, 02:18:21 PM
I am not what you would consider a "flakey" person...but when I wander in amongst the woods (which I do often) I feel SOMETHING that I cannot explain.

Nothing flakey about that. We've spent most of our evolutionary history in the forest, after all – of course it feels right.

Maybe there needs to be a "ER towns close to wilderness areas" thread. How about some actual place names?
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: MsRichLife on October 13, 2016, 06:51:49 PM
Yes. This is part of the reason we've chosen our post-FIRE location (two weeks to go!). We are very close to Temperate rainforest national parks and lots of other 'bush' around. I will certainly making hiking a regular part of my routine and hope we get back into camping once we have more time.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Mr. Green on October 13, 2016, 07:49:24 PM
Nothing stills my restless soul more than the stunning peace of serene scenery. Quite often that means the woods somewhere, though an incredible beach can be equally satisfying.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: scrubbyfish on October 13, 2016, 10:27:46 PM
I live in amongst many trees. So far, I refuse to leave :)
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Metric Mouse on October 14, 2016, 01:48:43 AM
I live in amongst many trees. So far, I refuse to leave :)

Quite wooden-headed of you to stick around.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: scrubbyfish on October 14, 2016, 09:48:43 AM
Quite wooden-headed of you to stick around.

:)
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: scrubbyfish on October 14, 2016, 09:51:10 AM
I will add: It's important to me to live in the trees vs just visit them daily, because I know the bears and cougars are around me, I can hear the owls in the night, and the stars are dense and bright. These fill me up. Hanging in it during the day wouldn't cut it the way sleeping every night in it does. So restorative.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: hoping2retire35 on October 14, 2016, 10:38:42 AM
For those looking to move...

probably need to come up with several criteria
1.actual size in pop.
2. what store amenities (# of grocery stores, any specific grocery store, size of library, available hardware stores, just to name a few that come to mind)
3. access to intestate, larger nearby city/airport, other small town with that 'one' store, internet speed
4. type of woods; skiing, hiking, mountain bike riding, horse back, hunting/no hunting, mountains/elevation/grade/brush thickness, lake/stream fishing, some things I am leaving out.

maybe some other key details, could start another thread similar to the AirMnM thread, with a little database. I pretty much have all the above except I have to drive 40 mins before I hit a switchback. its kinda weird, I live in a tiny town but the area (maybe 100 sq mi) has somewhere just under 100k people, lots of farms and forest in between several decent sized towns one of which is a college town, so doesn't really fit a mold. I can think of a lot of other places but then again would be better to put in a database than me just rambling. If someone likes a place in NE georgia, western NC or SC Ill be happy to give an opinion. Not sure if there are any Asheville mustachians, that region in general would probably fit a lot of people on here.

Funny how everyone gets poetic on this thread.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: avrex on October 15, 2016, 10:11:08 PM
Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods

Do I want to spend more time in the woods?




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Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: soccerluvof4 on October 26, 2016, 06:27:47 AM
When we downsized we moved to an area actually in a smaller town but an hour away from the closest city but still in our school system.  In town ( population 8k) I can walk to anything I need but more importantly I can walk out of town 10 minutes and disappear on trails man made and not man made that lead to all sort of lakes , hiking etc.. and I do this 3 hours every morning now. I dont think you need to go to far out of most cities to find what your looking for. Guess it depends more on if you would be happy with Mountains vs Hills and stuff like that. Where I am at I see all the wildlife you could ask for and some I really would rather not see on a walk. At least 30 lakes in the area and some really good hiking hills/woods but not "mountains" though I would love those!!
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Linda_Norway on November 14, 2016, 01:31:43 AM
I am fortunate to live close to a forest already and I tend to walk or ski there in the weekends. I certainly hope to do that more after FIRE. In our nearest town, there are organized trips in the forest for seniors and other trips for people with newborns who don't work for a period, so there is always a group to join for the social aspect. There is also an option of joining a club of people who maintain the marked trails in the forest. These are often pensioners.

But I think we should actively try to find other people who can join trips during day time.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: gettingtoyes on November 15, 2016, 03:25:43 PM
OP- I would check out the FrugalWoods blog- they're a couple in their early 30s who just retired and now live on 66 acres in Vermont, living the dream.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: stoaX on November 15, 2016, 04:58:04 PM
joining a club of people who maintain the marked trails in the forest.

I would like to spend much more time hiking once I get rid of my pesky job...and volunteering to maintain trails is a great way to do this.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Gone Fishing on November 15, 2016, 06:22:48 PM
I'm spending 2-3 days a week fixing up a 640 acre summer camp that adjoins a 500,000 acre tract of national forest so children can enjoy the same experience I had as a child.  So, yes, I like the woods!  I particularly enjoy socializing in the woods.  Aside from some unneeded high end gear some choose to purchase, it seems to strip away a lot of the BS from our culture and has resulted in some of the best bonding experiences I have ever had.  I'll solo a bit, but sharing the experience is so much better.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Northwestie on November 16, 2016, 03:13:27 PM
Since they PAY me to be in the woods I'm keeping the gig for a bit longer, but then, alas, I'll have to do it for free in the near future.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Larsg on November 25, 2016, 08:58:08 PM
We bought a forest outside of Seattle for self sufficiency - 5 acres, our own firewood from naturally fallen trees in the forest, solar, water catchment, and so on...love it, never going back. Only about an hour outside of civilization if we need it. No HOA's, no silly rules, no one to bother us and the hood is still filled w/nice helpful people when you need it or when they need it. We wake up, see old growth Douglass Firs and Cedar all around, we don't see a single house in any direction - in a cove like setting - hear traffic on a distant street. Wildlife all around. We don't have to live with all the ridiculous LAWN noise that we grew to hate that seemed to be never ending, people and their machines cutting this or that non stop. We have a low maintenance yard we cut w/a battery operated lawn mower from green works a few times a summer but the grass is the type that can grow long, keeping the weeds out, remains lush and increases the frog population which is good for all. We love it and most likely not ever leave or sell. I reached FI at 49, not ER yet. Working on the remaining details and will post soon. Love the site and all the inspiration. Glad I found this community - just awesome.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: MgoSam on November 26, 2016, 03:33:14 PM
I don't know if I'll do it, but the PCT or the aT once I've FIRED, but we'll see. I love being in MN during the warm weather months, but wouldn't love to spend the winter months somewhere warm where I can spend plenty of time in the woods.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: RedwoodDreams on November 29, 2016, 12:32:33 AM
Absolutely.

We live adjacent to a redwood forest, and I walk there daily for at least an hour. It's tranquil and peaceful, and no matter how distracted or crabby or grumpy I am, particularly now with current events, as soon as I get into the forest all the BS lifts and I feel restored and balanced again. I feel like the richest person in the world having this forest outside my front door.

I can hear the owls out there hooting at each other up in the redwoods as I type this evening.

I've been wanting to read "The Secret Life of Trees." Has anyone read it?
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: EscapeVelocity2020 on November 29, 2016, 12:51:43 AM
I love the thought of permanent nature, but I also really like travel.  To be in the woods 'permanently', one either needs a solid home and willingness to somewhat constrict themselves to domestic travel, or a traveler spirit (and slightly larger budget) to go anywhere and continue to balance adapting to the land with reasonable comfort (or maybe survival, although I have yet to feel stressed in that dimension). 
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Greenback Reproduction Specialist on December 01, 2016, 03:16:21 PM
In reply to the thread title, YES!!! A lot of time in the woods : )
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Gunny on December 04, 2016, 10:43:20 AM
I love being outside; woods, trout stream, beach, mountains.  Pursuing my outdoor hobbies is the biggest reason I fired. 
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Gunny on December 04, 2016, 10:50:52 AM
I'm spending 2-3 days a week fixing up a 640 acre summer camp that adjoins a 500,000 acre tract of national forest so children can enjoy the same experience I had as a child.  So, yes, I like the woods!  I particularly enjoy socializing in the woods.  Aside from some unneeded high end gear some choose to purchase, it seems to strip away a lot of the BS from our culture and has resulted in some of the best bonding experiences I have ever had.  I'll solo a bit, but sharing the experience is so much better.

Fixing up a summer camp for kids sounds like an awesome way to spend your time and give back.  Good for you.  Let me know if you need some help. 
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Greenback Reproduction Specialist on December 05, 2016, 03:25:03 PM
I'm spending 2-3 days a week fixing up a 640 acre summer camp that adjoins a 500,000 acre tract of national forest so children can enjoy the same experience I had as a child.  So, yes, I like the woods!  I particularly enjoy socializing in the woods.  Aside from some unneeded high end gear some choose to purchase, it seems to strip away a lot of the BS from our culture and has resulted in some of the best bonding experiences I have ever had.  I'll solo a bit, but sharing the experience is so much better.

Fixing up a summer camp for kids sounds like an awesome way to spend your time and give back.  Good for you.  Let me know if you need some help.

+1 no kidding that would be fun
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Jet9 on February 16, 2017, 03:31:51 PM
Me! I want to have some forested land and a small cabin, ideally near a National Park, somewhere in the Northwest, not too far from the coast, not too far from a major airport. It's the details that elude me so far: How much land? What do I need to know to but land? Where exactly in the Northwest? What kind of care will it need? I hope to begin learning more and begin narrowing the search this year. Ideally it would be nice to use the land as a vacation spot now and retirement home in 10-15 years. Following this thread to keep up with everyone else who has the same idea; there will surely be a lot to learn from this thread!
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: nara on February 17, 2017, 07:07:08 PM
We made this happen pre-FIRE! We live in Colorado on 5 acres of ponderosa pines. It is so peaceful and beautiful. It really is our dream home. We have fruit trees and a garden, lots of space for our dogs to run, a barn with a couple pet goats, lots of wild life, star filled skies at night, and best of all NO NEIGHBORS! We live about 12 miles away from stores and work--but it really is like coming home to a private sanctuary. We really don't feel the need for vacations anymore like we used to when we lived in residential areas where we felt like we just needed to get away from people and noise! We're looking forward to spending lots of time enjoying our days here after FIRE!
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Linda_Norway on February 18, 2017, 08:08:28 AM
We made this happen pre-FIRE! We live in Colorado on 5 acres of ponderosa pines. It is so peaceful and beautiful. It really is our dream home. We have fruit trees and a garden, lots of space for our dogs to run, a barn with a couple pet goats, lots of wild life, star filled skies at night, and best of all NO NEIGHBORS! We live about 12 miles away from stores and work--but it really is like coming home to a private sanctuary. We really don't feel the need for vacations anymore like we used to when we lived in residential areas where we felt like we just needed to get away from people and noise! We're looking forward to spending lots of time enjoying our days here after FIRE!

Congrats, that sounds just great. O
Tip: buy a telescope to look at those stars and galaxies. Without disturbing neighbour lights astronomy is great.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Cezilous on February 24, 2017, 10:43:21 AM
I am not what you would consider a "flakey" person...but when I wander in amongst the woods (which I do often) I feel SOMETHING that I cannot explain.

YES.

Part of my FIRE plan is to find a place in the woods, with maybe some pockets of meadows, and some type of body of water, that I can just enjoy on nature's time.  Of course, I'll need to save up the money for this paradise along with the stash.. Don't know where it will be or anything (still at the getting-out-of-debt stage..) but I sometimes dream about it.  So I've seen it.  I just got to get there.  I love nature. so. much.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Nate R on February 24, 2017, 11:32:02 AM
Mostly? Not sure, maybe. More than I do now? Definitely.

Not sure what our Post-FIRE plan would be yet.
We have purchased 4 acres of land w/ 60 year old Red Pine trees on it, and not much else. Less than 3 hours from our home. We've put in a camping trailer and outhouse/privy, but plan to build a small off-grid cabin in the next few years.

Our primary residence is a duplex, and, in the future with inflation, rent from the lower should cover carrying costs of the house itself, or make us money if we pay the house off. I could see splitting time between our duplex unit and a cabin, and maybe a 3rd location/travel location as well. The possibility of full-time in said cabin has been discussed a bit, but I'm not sure if that's realistic or not.

If I had both today and was retired, I could see AirBnB renting the cabin and/or the duplex unit enough to cover their own costs so each was essentially free.

So, yes, MORE time in the woods for sure. Hiking, foraging, firewood, hunting, fishing, snowshoeing, x-country skiing, biking, all things I could see doing a lot more of!

Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: MoonLiteNite on February 25, 2017, 03:02:33 AM
My first week into FIRE i plan on doing thru-hike for PCT, followed by AT and CDT every year.
I think that will be some good time in the woods :D
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Accidental Fire on February 25, 2017, 06:35:58 AM
I plan to partially FIRE in the next 3 months by negotiating a new part-time position at my job. Two days a week max is my limit, and if they don't accommodate I'll just fully FIRE, I have FU money.  After that, I'm kinda like spartana, I plan to spend my days climbing, cycling, hiking, standup paddleboarding, running, mountaineering, pack-rafting, backpacking, snowboarding, etc etc. I love most every outdoor sport and am decently mediocre at most of them :)  I get my energy, inspiration, and motivation from nature and I can't wait to more fully immerse myself in her beauty!
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Retire-Canada on February 25, 2017, 07:45:57 PM
Is this anyone else's plan? Anyone done this?

If I attain my FIRE amount of money (enough to live and help others) then I may not do this as extensively but If I can barely FI and just need to spend time doing something I'll do mostly this.

Large public forest I can almost walk to, two large public lakes with public woods esp in the coves and lower swamp areas, national forests nearby, also another national forest near my parents. I could definitely see myself doing this in the mornings, picking up kids after school and taking them out to keep going all afternoon. I may ride bikes, a horse, or even buy a used atv, but will mostly walk.

please share

My FIRE plans involve:

- camping
- fishing
- riding mountain bikes
- kiteboarding
- surfing

Those are all outside activities. If I need to cut back on $$ I'll do more stuff closer to home and if I have lots of money I'll travel further afield.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: steveo on February 26, 2017, 12:05:49 AM
Is this anyone else's plan? Anyone done this?

If I attain my FIRE amount of money (enough to live and help others) then I may not do this as extensively but If I can barely FI and just need to spend time doing something I'll do mostly this.

Large public forest I can almost walk to, two large public lakes with public woods esp in the coves and lower swamp areas, national forests nearby, also another national forest near my parents. I could definitely see myself doing this in the mornings, picking up kids after school and taking them out to keep going all afternoon. I may ride bikes, a horse, or even buy a used atv, but will mostly walk.

please share

My FIRE plans involve:

- camping
- fishing
- riding mountain bikes
- kiteboarding
- surfing

Those are all outside activities. If I need to cut back on $$ I'll do more stuff closer to home and if I have lots of money I'll travel further afield.

This sounds great. I will be pretty similar to this.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Retire-Canada on February 26, 2017, 05:04:17 AM
This sounds great. I will be pretty similar to this.

If you ever come to Vancouver Island there are a few MMMers here who can show you around. :)
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Linda_Norway on February 26, 2017, 07:31:14 AM
My FIRE plans involve:
Camping in the woods or in the mountains.
Hiking in the woods or in the mountains.
Fishing (with a rod) in the sea or in mountain rivers or lakes.
Picking edible mushrooms.
Cycling around Europe or in Norway on gravel roads (I am not a technically skilled mountain biker).
Cross country skiing, if that still exists with the coming climate changes.
Paddeling on lakes and quiet rivers.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: tomita on February 26, 2017, 08:18:26 AM
We would love to spend our time in forests but I 'm afraid we are not badass enough to do that
We are in Canada and we got couple acres of forest out east , this is far away from us. Anyway first time we saw the forest, it looks like primeval forest, is awesome & intimidating
We are not sure if we can build a off the grid cabin there,
what with all the regs in Canada.
We will need to plan our second approach better.

Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Fishindude on February 28, 2017, 08:06:47 AM
We live on a 160 acre farm in the rural midwest that has gradually all been converted into wildlife habitat.
I really enjoy the work associated with working on and maintaining the property, and have projects to do every day if I choose.
My hobbies are hunting & fishing, so they go hand in hand with this.  When I'm not at home doing something on the farm, I'm usually off somewhere on a hunting or fishing adventure.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Cezilous on February 28, 2017, 09:13:18 AM
We live on a 160 acre farm in the rural midwest that has gradually all been converted into wildlife habitat.
I really enjoy the work associated with working on and maintaining the property, and have projects to do every day if I choose.
My hobbies are hunting & fishing, so they go hand in hand with this.  When I'm not at home doing something on the farm, I'm usually off somewhere on a hunting or fishing adventure.

This sounds absolutely wonderful, almost hits the nail on the head (no hunting for me :) )  I think once I'm in a similar situation, I'd really enjoy taking a forestry class, or something that will make me more knowledgeable about the land and caring for it, making it a good home for us and the wildlife.  I guess I just want to live as harmoniously as I can with nature.  Maybe turn into a nature spirit when I die, I don't know..  :D
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: jim555 on February 28, 2017, 09:41:06 AM
FIRE paradise:
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Jet9 on February 28, 2017, 04:23:08 PM
Cezilous, is there such a class? I keep telling my husband the land takes care of itself for the most part, but maybe I'm a bit too optimistic on that front?
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Gone Fishing on March 01, 2017, 07:39:34 AM
Cezilous, is there such a class? I keep telling my husband the land takes care of itself for the most part, but maybe I'm a bit too optimistic on that front?

Depends on you definition of "care"!  Your location will determine the final appearance, but all land will eventually reach a stability point in one form or another with no human input.  If you are starting with a mature ecology, it should pretty much remain the same, perhaps with some ocasional disturbance from heavy storms, fire, etc.  If you are starting with previously cleared, or otherwise disturbed, land it will need to go through full succession before you reach stability.  In our neck of the woods, that usually means impenetrable growth of non-diverse, less productive species, that take decades to thin out enough to even walk through. 

I'd consider my land pretty heavily managed.  I use livestock to clear underbrush and maintain fields.  After the fences are built, they don't require too much of my time to maintain, but do require some attention every day or two to check water, health, etc.  We cut dead trees for firewood (probably my most productive activity $ wise but hard dangerous work), build brush piles for wildlife, and are slowly adding more productive species, such as nut and fruit trees (long term investments!). 

Now if I had wanted, I could have let it all go wild, maybe just maintaining some walking trails, hunting a bit of game, and ocasionally picking up some deadfall wood for a campfire.  That would have been cool, too!
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Rural on March 01, 2017, 01:53:59 PM
 Aside from maintaining the very steep dirt road in, ours is entirely unmanaged. We have 25 acres that were pretty well climax forest stage when we bought them, and we put the whole thing under a conservation easement.  Forestry advises us on the occasional controlled burn.


 So yeah, I spend almost all of my time in the woods, and I'm not even retired yet. Of course, I spend a great deal of it in the house looking out at the words through my big wall of windows…
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Cezilous on March 02, 2017, 06:42:36 AM
Cezilous, is there such a class? I keep telling my husband the land takes care of itself for the most part, but maybe I'm a bit too optimistic on that front?

Depends on you definition of "care"!  Your location will determine the final appearance, but all land will eventually reach a stability point in one form or another with no human input.  If you are starting with a mature ecology, it should pretty much remain the same, perhaps with some ocasional disturbance from heavy storms, fire, etc.  If you are starting with previously cleared, or otherwise disturbed, land it will need to go through full succession before you reach stability.  In our neck of the woods, that usually means impenetrable growth of non-diverse, less productive species, that take decades to thin out enough to even walk through. 

I'd consider my land pretty heavily managed.  I use livestock to clear underbrush and maintain fields.  After the fences are built, they don't require too much of my time to maintain, but do require some attention every day or two to check water, health, etc.  We cut dead trees for firewood (probably my most productive activity $ wise but hard dangerous work), build brush piles for wildlife, and are slowly adding more productive species, such as nut and fruit trees (long term investments!). 

Now if I had wanted, I could have let it all go wild, maybe just maintaining some walking trails, hunting a bit of game, and ocasionally picking up some deadfall wood for a campfire.  That would have been cool, too!

Jet9, someone once brought Alderleaf Wilderness College to my attention, and the seed continued to grow in my mind about finding something like this wherever I happen to end up.  Link here:  http://www.wildernesscollege.com/

"Whether its animal tracking applied to wildlife management, survival skills applied to natural disaster preparedness, or wild medicinal plants for home health care, wilderness wisdom provides solutions for many modern environmental challenges."

As for "caring", Gone Fishing has stated it quite nicely, thank you!  I'm all for letting the land stabilize itself, do its own thing, because I know it's capable.  I suppose what I had in mind was potentially getting it back to that stable point.  Of course, I might find myself somewhere where this is already done, no problem  Wonderful!  :)   However, I'm coming at it with a more cynical perspective, assuming that humanity has done damage, because that's what we seem to do best to the environment (sorry, there's personal history which makes me think this way regarding these dreams).  But if I'm lucky..yeah I'll end up where it's mostly all good and all I need to do is relax and enjoy it.  :D
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Fishindude on March 02, 2017, 07:04:09 AM
The problem with letting the land "do it's own thing" to get back to it's natural state is that it probably can't do it without some help.  Many areas are getting over-run with invasive species that need to be controlled to some extent if you want the native species.  In my area, Asian Honeysuckle is rampant and will take over a woodlot, leaving no room for the native hardwoods.  There are methods for killing these invasives and giving mother nature a little help.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Rural on March 03, 2017, 05:19:17 AM
The problem with letting the land "do it's own thing" to get back to it's natural state is that it probably can't do it without some help.  Many areas are getting over-run with invasive species that need to be controlled to some extent if you want the native species.  In my area, Asian Honeysuckle is rampant and will take over a woodlot, leaving no room for the native hardwoods.  There are methods for killing these invasives and giving mother nature a little help.


You're right about that, and I did have a major fight against Asian honeysuckle in one area when we first bought our property. It's pretty well over now, and I just get out there and kill off all the sprouts every spring. Also every couple of years I walk the property line where it adjoins a public road and kill privet sprouts. But one reason we decided on this property is that it's largely uninfested, and I intend to keep it that way. I plant nothing but annual food-producing plants (in raised beds) and natives, for example.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Jet9 on March 03, 2017, 07:04:46 PM
Thanks for all the input everyone; it sounds like purchasing and owning/managing forest land at least has the potential to be quite complex and work intensive. I've been researching things to consider and questions to ask when buying land, but the more I learn the more daunting it becomes.  I'm beginning to understand that this isn't something I can do  without a lot of planning and expert advice. Not ready to give up yet, though. Adding "presence of invasive species" and "stages of forest growth" as well as "conservation easement" and "Forest Service support" to my list. I suppose when we actually start looking at land with an agent we'll get a much better idea of what we want, what to look for, and how much land would suit us. After reading these posts I'm already thinking of going smaller.

Thanks for the link, Cezilous; the Wilderness College looks like fun and useful training; I'd especially like the mushroom hunting class! So far I only trust myself to pick morels.

Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Nate R on March 03, 2017, 07:11:30 PM
Thanks for all the input everyone; it sounds like purchasing and owning/managing forest land at least has the potential to be quite complex and work intensive. I've been researching things to consider and questions to ask when buying land, but the more I learn the more daunting it becomes.  I'm beginning to understand that this isn't something I can do  without a lot of planning and expert advice. Not ready to give up yet, though. Adding "presence of invasive species" and "stages of forest growth" as well as "conservation easement" and "Forest Service support" to my list. I suppose when we actually start looking at land with an agent we'll get a much better idea of what we want, what to look for, and how much land would suit us. After reading these posts I'm already thinking of going smaller.


I will say, you can put as much time and effort into it as you like. Plenty of people do it with no planning or work. You will get different results, but if you accept that, no big deal.

My family has owned 35 acres for 25 years now, and done very little to it over time. Meanwhile, the 4 acres my wife and I recently bought will get more attention in the first few years than probably 10-15 years of effort at the other property. I'd contend you CAN make it a hobby/job, or you can choose not to.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Jet9 on March 03, 2017, 07:30:20 PM
Thanks, Nate. That gives me some hope!
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Dusty Dog Ranch on March 03, 2017, 10:05:13 PM
I highly recommend the book Finding and Buying Your Place in the Country by the Schers. It will help you evaluate what you want in a rural property and what to look out for as you look at properties. Add "firewise" to your research too. :-)

We had a great time looking for land...it's a great excuse to go camping somewhere and check out what's for sale. By the time we found the DDR, we had seen enough to know it was the one.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Rural on March 04, 2017, 12:28:50 AM
Thanks for all the input everyone; it sounds like purchasing and owning/managing forest land at least has the potential to be quite complex and work intensive. I've been researching things to consider and questions to ask when buying land, but the more I learn the more daunting it becomes.  I'm beginning to understand that this isn't something I can do  without a lot of planning and expert advice. Not ready to give up yet, though. Adding "presence of invasive species" and "stages of forest growth" as well as "conservation easement" and "Forest Service support" to my list. I suppose when we actually start looking at land with an agent we'll get a much better idea of what we want, what to look for, and how much land would suit us. After reading these posts I'm already thinking of going smaller.



You can learn a lot through Google. I think you'd probably be better off to do some leisurely reading over time before you start talking with an agent; they do want to make a sale, after all, so I would go in informed.


That said, you can mostly disregard the stages of growth - I was just trying to communicate the size of our trees and the fact that some are end of life and some are early stages in a mixed forest, so we get big limbs down and ancient logs as part of the forest floor and the ecosystem.


Other things you can mostly disregard: A conservation easement, in states that have them, is a good way to save on property taxes on forest land. There are other ways, and it will vary widely by state. You may get forest service support if your land adjoins a national forest. They also offer general advice for free to anyone.


It is a good idea to be able to recognize the worst offenders in invasive species in your area before you start looking so you'll have an idea of problems you may face and what you're up against if you do try to eradicate. Again, though, Google is your friend, and time is your friend. Since you're looking at several years out, you can leisurely read up on woods in your area as part of your daydreaming process and get what you need to know. Heck, it'll probably be fun.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Jet9 on March 04, 2017, 12:02:11 PM
I highly recommend the book Finding and Buying Your Place in the Country by the Schers. It will help you evaluate what you want in a rural property and what to look out for as you look at properties. Add "firewise" to your research too. :-)

We had a great time looking for land...it's a great excuse to go camping somewhere and check out what's for sale. By the time we found the DDR, we had seen enough to know it was the one.

If I can use land-shopping as an excuse to camp for free, maybe I'll never need to buy? Thanks for the book recommendation; I'll check that out, literally!
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Jet9 on March 04, 2017, 12:10:02 PM
Other things you can mostly disregard: A conservation easement, in states that have them, is a good way to save on property taxes on forest land. There are other ways, and it will vary widely by state. You may get forest service support if your land adjoins a national forest. They also offer general advice for free to anyone.

These were entirely new concepts for me, and they do come up in real estate listings, so it's good to at least have an idea what they mean.

It is a good idea to be able to recognize the worst offenders in invasive species in your area before you start looking so you'll have an idea of problems you may face and what you're up against if you do try to eradicate. Again, though, Google is your friend, and time is your friend. Since you're looking at several years out, you can leisurely read up on woods in your area as part of your daydreaming process and get what you need to know. Heck, it'll probably be fun.

That's exactly what I intend to do. And travel a lot to look around for potential areas to buy...I hope it will be a fun process!
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Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Rollin on March 08, 2017, 08:44:34 AM
The timing of your question encourages my response, because a few months into ER, I am finding that we are spending much time in the forests, some near home, some a couple of hours' drive away. Only a few hours ago, we returned from this week's three-day jaunt to a state forest a few hours away, where we hiked on Tuesday and biked nearly the entire day yesterday.   We were in swamp land, on the tops of mountains, and crossed many creeks. When we were done, we sat for a few hours in the late afternoon sun on a lake, where I knit, kept an eye out for the bald eagle I'd seen the day before, and watched the fishermen. Each walk, I saw a multitude of mushrooms sprouting, along with the teaberries in the underbrush. (Ha ha, even in the woods, I am food-oriented.)   Each night, we sat for hours in front of our fire, sometimes chatting, but mostly listening to the night sounds of the forest, enjoying the warmth of the fire as the coldness of the night crept up behind us. 
A few weeks ago, we did a similar car-camping/biking trip in the Finger Lakes area of NY, and next week we're heading out for 3-4 days of trail riding/camping with a group of friends, leaving from home.  Having the time and mobility to make these small trips has added tremendously to my appreciation of life.  There's something magical to me, too, in stretching into the time that used to be "work time" -- my sweetie and I were chuckling over how it seems last weekend was just here, and now it's nearly this weekend.  The middle of the week, which used to be so measured and demanding, now all but disappears as we are completely engaged in whatever adventures we find.  Even I am surprised at how easily we are taking to living so much in the outdoors.   I hope you get the chance to go for it!
 

Frompa you summed up what I feel about my ER. Thank you.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: undercover on March 12, 2017, 05:23:31 PM
Not sure if there are any Asheville mustachians, that region in general would probably fit a lot of people on here.

Born and raised in rural Western NC - near Linville Falls. Parents (and me at times) live on about 40 acres. Neighbors are close but they're generally great neighbors - older and quiet. I don't think having neighbors where you live is inherently a bad thing - it's just you don't exactly get to choose your neighbors and it's more or less a lottery. Sometimes you get lucky and sometimes you don't. Living rural allows you to eliminate the uncertainty of course (see below). Pretty much all of the acreage consists of woods behind my house that's ours and free to roam through. Family lives around us as well so in reality there's a lot of exploring to do. Plus we have an amazing view - I say virtually the best in the area.

I quit my job about 2 years ago even though I'm still young and will likely be working/making money in the future. I bought a house in Asheville but I definitely still prefer being closer to nature. Asheville is still close and very pretty in spots but nothing really replaces having woods at your backdoor and a mountain less than a mile from your window. Even if you don't use the woods everyday, it's still peaceful being so close. I've come to realize that it doesn't matter how close you are to things anymore (stores/etc) unless you need to be there for your job. I really thought that being closer to amenities and more like-minded people would increase my quality of life, perhaps bring me closer to the "next big thing", but it feels like I've only gone backwards. I stayed close to home intentionally because it's not only where my parents are, but it's one of the greatest places in on earth (at least the Eastern US). So, for now I split my time between my parents and Asheville, so we'll see where I end up ultimately I guess.

Rural areas in general are known for their tendency to be self-sufficient. But, yes, Asheville in general has a very Mustachian vibe if you can stay away from parts of downtown and Biltmore Village/Town Park ;) The neighborhood I live in consists of very efficient homes. They're eco-built and there's basically no wasted space. Even the lots require virtually zero maintenance since they're on a slope. Everyone tends to drive older cars and there's a definite community vibe. I'd very much compare where I live to Longmont. They're both similarly sized and similar vibes.

My eventual goal is to do as much of a house build by myself/a few people and just spend a lot of nights by the fire and live a sustainable lifestyle for weeks at a time. I'd also like to do this in a much more remote area somewhere out west as well since there's just so many more options. PNW area preferably.

I think what I really crave is a Mustachian "city"/community that's full of financially independent people that are doing awesome things everyday. There'd be definite private areas but far more public ones for people to interact and sit by fires and talk/plan and build/create. There'd be one amazing store for everything - no waste. Of course everyone would bike/walk because everything would be so close together and no one needs to get to jobs. And of course this city/community would border tons of wilderness and beauty. There would be nothing obstructing the serenity and views.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Accidental Fire on March 12, 2017, 05:45:08 PM
Not sure if there are any Asheville mustachians, that region in general would probably fit a lot of people on here.
I think what I really crave is a Mustachian "city"/community that's full of financially independent people that are doing awesome things everyday. There'd be definite private areas but far more public ones for people to interact and sit by fires and talk/plan and build/create. There'd be one amazing store for everything - no waste. Of course everyone would bike/walk because everything would be so close together and no one needs to get to jobs. And of course this city/community would border tons of wilderness and beauty. There would be nothing obstructing the serenity and views.

You just described what I've dreamt about a few times.  I've experienced this "vibe" on numerous travel excursions and mountain climbing expeditions, but the group always had to break up and disperse back to their 'real lives'.  Would be nice to have it be more permanent.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: SCUBAstache on March 13, 2017, 08:32:17 PM
Not sure if there are any Asheville mustachians, that region in general would probably fit a lot of people on here.
I think what I really crave is a Mustachian "city"/community that's full of financially independent people that are doing awesome things everyday. There'd be definite private areas but far more public ones for people to interact and sit by fires and talk/plan and build/create. There'd be one amazing store for everything - no waste. Of course everyone would bike/walk because everything would be so close together and no one needs to get to jobs. And of course this city/community would border tons of wilderness and beauty. There would be nothing obstructing the serenity and views.

You just described what I've dreamt about a few times.  I've experienced this "vibe" on numerous travel excursions and mountain climbing expeditions, but the group always had to break up and disperse back to their 'real lives'.  Would be nice to have it be more permanent.

Same. I've looked into the "co-housing" movement for this reason, it seems pretty close. Definitely something I'm considering for post-FIRE, though I will probably travel first.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: GreenEggs on March 13, 2017, 08:58:35 PM
I'm not sure why most people choose to live in cities, but I'm happy that they do.  It helps keep the rural areas rural, and the natural areas natural.

I love living in the mountains.  I feel alive and connected to nature, and tend to forget about the "race" city folks get caught up in.   

Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: highflyingstache on March 13, 2017, 11:32:49 PM
I too am one for the peace and tranquility of the wilderness. Can't say I've yet found my niche but I'll envision some acres in BC, a log home and about half my time there. For me, I'll gather that would probably suffice to my needs. Whether to "work" the land or let it do its own, I'm unsure. I can't speak for the landscape just yet on what work is to be done to keep it as natural and free of the invasive species you're all discussing.
But certainly the quiet of the pines is something, isn't it? I could enjoy that for a while (hopefully including some mountain views).
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Linda_Norway on March 14, 2017, 01:26:32 AM
Our previous house was on a hill with a nice view towards a forest and the rest of the forest started behind our house. We had animals visiting often, like badger, deer, fix, squirrels and lots of birds. Even a moose once.
Our new house is also close to the forest (5 min walking) and has forest material (pines and blueberry bushes) as a garden.

When we are going to FIRE, the preliminary plan is to sell the house, because we need to free up money that is in it and the house is expensive. We will sell most of our stuff, at least the furniture and put the rest into storage for a year. Than we will plan to spend a year doing all sorts of outdoor travel, like hiking in the mountains, cycling through Europe, canoeing trips. Then we have discussed to use our mountain cabin as our basis where we can keep all our outdoor stuff so that we can switch between activities. This cabin that we've had since 2005 is quite small and does not have running water. But it has a beautiful view of mountains and has a nice fishing river in front of it. Nearest mountain top is a 1 hour hike and there are several to choose from. I love that place during every holiday and weekend we visit it.
And than after that year, we can be a (cheap) house somewhere in a nice place.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Exhale on March 14, 2017, 06:42:33 PM
When we are going to FIRE...we will plan to spend a year doing all sorts of outdoor travel, like hiking in the mountains, cycling through Europe, canoeing trips...And than after that year, we can be a (cheap) house somewhere in a nice place.

I love your plan. It's similar to what I'm going to do except I'll be doing it in the W and SW of the USA. I'll use that time to find out where I might like to settle (or decide to RV/van dwell full time) and then gather some dogs to foster.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: Fishindude on March 20, 2017, 07:15:33 AM
Pretty much spent the weekend in the woods on the farm, cutting firewood, doing habitat work, shooting rifles, and just hiking around looking for shed deer antlers.
Can easily get in a 2-3 mile hike without ever leaving our 160 acres.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: fordman302 on March 20, 2017, 10:54:16 AM
Pretty much spent the weekend in the woods on the farm, cutting firewood, doing habitat work, shooting rifles, and just hiking around looking for shed deer antlers.
Can easily get in a 2-3 mile hike without ever leaving our 160 acres.

Had a similar weekend, made a few ATV trails and cleared an area.  Burned a ton (probably literally) of honeysuckle and hedge.  Found one shed but it was 1/2 chewed.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: hoping2retire35 on March 21, 2017, 10:04:48 AM
There is a little farm that has lots of animals including a male deer with an orange collar. Surprised he still had his antlers this late.

Windy and chilly weekends lately, this one should be good for exploring again. Saturday morning was a little cool but found some waterfalls within a 10 minute drive and not too difficult of a walk. Took all three kids by myself!
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: dude on March 21, 2017, 12:02:55 PM
Mountains, woods, ocean -- wherever there's rock and/ice/snow to climb, snow to speed down on, and waves to surf.  The great outdoors.  Have the White Mountains National Forest only a 2-hour drive from me, with a lifetime of opportunities to do it all.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: steveo on March 21, 2017, 02:31:39 PM
Mountains, woods, ocean -- wherever there's rock and/ice/snow to climb, snow to speed down on, and waves to surf.  The great outdoors.  Have the White Mountains National Forest only a 2-hour drive from me, with a lifetime of opportunities to do it all.

I keep looking at houses on the beach to move too. I'd love to wake up every day and go for a surf.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: dude on March 22, 2017, 08:29:59 AM
Mountains, woods, ocean -- wherever there's rock and/ice/snow to climb, snow to speed down on, and waves to surf.  The great outdoors.  Have the White Mountains National Forest only a 2-hour drive from me, with a lifetime of opportunities to do it all.

I keep looking at houses on the beach to move too. I'd love to wake up every day and go for a surf.

Amen, me too, but beach properties and their associated costs (flood and homeowner's insurance, taxes, etc) are prohibitively expensive.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: hoping2retire35 on March 22, 2017, 08:33:18 AM
rural, somewhat inaccessible places can be pretty cheap. Farther north and colder areas often have some good deals if you can tolerate a wet suit.
Title: Re: Will anyone else want to mostly spend their time in the woods
Post by: tomita on March 24, 2017, 11:42:17 AM
I highly recommend the book Finding and Buying Your Place in the Country by the Schers. It will help you evaluate what you want in a rural property and what to look out for as you look at properties. Add "firewise" to your research too. :-)

We had a great time looking for land...it's a great excuse to go camping somewhere and check out what's for sale. By the time we found the DDR, we had seen enough to know it was the one.

Thank you for the tip DDR I just bought: 'Finding & Buying Your Place in the Country' by Les Scher
waiting for the book to arrive, we have a lot to learn.!!!!