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The self-reinforcing mesh of FIRE
« on: June 17, 2025, 11:54:57 AM »
I was out for a walk this past week, enjoying the fresh air and sunshine while I get my daily 10,000 steps in. I came across a little neighborhood park I'd never seen, with two dog statues facing each other at the entrance. It was the middle of the day, and there was no one else around. I had the place to myself.



I sat down on a bench to rest for a minute, appreciating the sun shining through the leaves above. I was feeling contented and happy for myself and sorry for everyone stuck inside at work on this beautiful day.

That was when I had an epiphany: if you're doing it right, the best parts of FIRE support each other and feed into each other.

Because I saved enough money to retire early, I don't have a job to stress me out, so I'm calmer and I sleep better.

Because I don't have to spend forty-plus hours a week sitting at a desk, I can devote plenty of time to exercise, long walks outdoors, tending to my garden, and other physical activity that makes my body healthier.

I have all day to plan, shop, and cook meals at home, which are cheaper and more nutritious than takeout or prepackaged "convenience" foods loaded with salt and sugar.

All these things knit together in a self-reinforcing mesh. This means that a happy, healthy, low-cost life is almost effortless for me; it's literally the path of least resistance.

It goes the other way, too.

People with debt and bills piling up have to take whatever job they can get, even if the pay is low, the commute is horrible, or the hours are long. They have to put up with asshole bosses and rude customers.

People who spend most of their waking hours at work have little time left over to exercise, cook, and do other things that are good for them. When the day is done, they're burned out and just want to sit on the couch watching TV. Or they engage in retail therapy, buying stuff they don't need for a quick dopamine hit, but putting themselves even further behind in the long run.

All of these things together raise their stress levels and decrease their health. It's a self-reinforcing mesh, but in a negative direction.

That's why the hardest part of FIRE is getting started. It takes effort to switch from one direction to the other. At the very beginning, it's like climbing a mountain. But the closer you get, the more it seems like you're going downhill. When FIRE is near, petty bullshit just slides off your back. The last few years of my work life were noticeably less stressful, because I knew I wouldn't have to be there much longer.

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Re: The self-reinforcing mesh of FIRE
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2025, 12:18:12 PM »
I was out for a walk this past week, enjoying the fresh air and sunshine while I get my daily 10,000 steps in. I came across a little neighborhood park I'd never seen, with two dog statues facing each other at the entrance. It was the middle of the day, and there was no one else around. I had the place to myself.



I sat down on a bench to rest for a minute, appreciating the sun shining through the leaves above. I was feeling contented and happy for myself and sorry for everyone stuck inside at work on this beautiful day.

That was when I had an epiphany: if you're doing it right, the best parts of FIRE support each other and feed into each other.

Because I saved enough money to retire early, I don't have a job to stress me out, so I'm calmer and I sleep better.

Because I don't have to spend forty-plus hours a week sitting at a desk, I can devote plenty of time to exercise, long walks outdoors, tending to my garden, and other physical activity that makes my body healthier.

I have all day to plan, shop, and cook meals at home, which are cheaper and more nutritious than takeout or prepackaged "convenience" foods loaded with salt and sugar.

All these things knit together in a self-reinforcing mesh. This means that a happy, healthy, low-cost life is almost effortless for me; it's literally the path of least resistance.

It goes the other way, too.

People with debt and bills piling up have to take whatever job they can get, even if the pay is low, the commute is horrible, or the hours are long. They have to put up with asshole bosses and rude customers.

People who spend most of their waking hours at work have little time left over to exercise, cook, and do other things that are good for them. When the day is done, they're burned out and just want to sit on the couch watching TV. Or they engage in retail therapy, buying stuff they don't need for a quick dopamine hit, but putting themselves even further behind in the long run.

All of these things together raise their stress levels and decrease their health. It's a self-reinforcing mesh, but in a negative direction.

That's why the hardest part of FIRE is getting started. It takes effort to switch from one direction to the other. At the very beginning, it's like climbing a mountain. But the closer you get, the more it seems like you're going downhill. When FIRE is near, petty bullshit just slides off your back. The last few years of my work life were noticeably less stressful, because I knew I wouldn't have to be there much longer.

Thanks for sharing and the great pic! I've definitely found what you said to be true, both ways!

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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2025, 02:49:11 PM »
It's what ERE describes as the Web of Goals where your activities reinforce each other and negative side-effects are minimised. [visual example here: https://forum.earlyretirementextreme.com/viewtopic.php?t=12584&start=100] Thinking this way also helps minimise the pain of shifting from the negatively reinforcement spiral into the positive reinforcement spiral - because each action you take helps support multiple positive goals.

Also, what a lovely day :D

My plans for today are yoga [+health and mobility, stress reduction, time off screens, - have to get out of bed and off screens], planting some greens in the garden [+time in nature, healthy cheap food in the future] and walking down Main St [+exercise, opportunity to encounter friends, - time] to maybe shelve books at the bookshop [+ friends, supporting local business]

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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2025, 08:56:36 PM »
Yup, it's remarkable, isn't it.  I also find myself looking around and being increasingly grateful each day. I recently ran into my granddaughter's godfather at her graduation party.  I hadn't seen him in years.  He said he was amazed how different I was. I didn't understand. When I asked him to clarify, he said I appear so much more relaxed and laid back than the last time he saw me.   
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2025, 09:41:02 PM »
Love this! Have found it to be true.

As you become more physically, mentally and financially fit, you are able to fix what’s ailing you, choose new directions, and be confident that you have time to explore. I find myself listening to my intuition/desires. More and more if I have a passing thought to do something interesting/different, I try to just go do it.

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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2025, 01:06:40 AM »
My experience is much like OP's, but I think it is important to recognize that OP said:  "if you're doing it right." 

I don't think there's a single "right" way for everybody, but we often see discussions on this forum of people who are unhappy in their working life who find that FIRE doesn't magically bring them the happiness they expected. 

Speaking for myself, I can say without hesitation that retiring early was one of the best decisions I've made in the course of my life. 

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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2025, 02:57:44 AM »
What a beautiful meditation on the virtuous circle of slowing down and embracing this one precious life in all its beauty.

The greatest treasure FIRE has given me is the freedom to be fully me. To find out who I am outside of work and a straightjacketed career profile. It's like a second youth, except without parents telling you what to do. It's like school's out for summer and you never have to go back unless you want and you don't even have to get a job. That giddy freedom to explore and unfold and enjoy the sweet simplicity of going for walks, sitting on the porch, spending the evening with friends, weeding my garden. It took me ages to decompress, but finally I'm fully enjoying the FIRE.

This community was a huge inspiration to me as I was healing from burnout and wrestling with the notion that I had to have some huge new "purpose" to justify retirement. Fully living my life as a grateful, mindful human is purpose enough.

You people are my tribe. I've learned so much from this forum. 

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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2025, 12:39:34 PM »
What a beautiful meditation on the virtuous circle of slowing down and embracing this one precious life in all its beauty.

The greatest treasure FIRE has given me is the freedom to be fully me. To find out who I am outside of work and a straightjacketed career profile. It's like a second youth, except without parents telling you what to do. It's like school's out for summer and you never have to go back unless you want and you don't even have to get a job. That giddy freedom to explore and unfold and enjoy the sweet simplicity of going for walks, sitting on the porch, spending the evening with friends, weeding my garden. It took me ages to decompress, but finally I'm fully enjoying the FIRE.

This community was a huge inspiration to me as I was healing from burnout and wrestling with the notion that I had to have some huge new "purpose" to justify retirement. Fully living my life as a grateful, mindful human is purpose enough.

You people are my tribe. I've learned so much from this forum.

Beautiful.

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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2025, 08:36:39 PM »
Beautiful

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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2025, 01:36:42 AM »
I never expected that living a FIRE'd life would feel so amazing, even after 10+ years. It never gets old.

@Idlewild, you have a nice way with words. Maybe stick around a little bit and post a little more. You know they give out golden keys when you hit 100 posts, don't you?

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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2025, 02:53:05 AM »
Thank you, @Dicey and @Jade!

Honestly, this community is the BEST, because nobody else even talks about this stuff publicly. I retired nearly two years ago, but it took me a good year and a half to fully decompress and give up the guilt and angst over the work/productivity/purpose ethic. You people were the ones who inspired me to finally accept that a lot of our ingrained work ethic is just bullshit and cultural programming.

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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2025, 06:47:51 AM »
Thank you, @Dicey and @Jade!

Honestly, this community is the BEST, because nobody else even talks about this stuff publicly. I retired nearly two years ago, but it took me a good year and a half to fully decompress and give up the guilt and angst over the work/productivity/purpose ethic. You people were the ones who inspired me to finally accept that a lot of our ingrained work ethic is just bullshit and cultural programming.

Right back atcha! :) i feel the same. Between the mmm forums and a wonderful mustachian husband, I'll be around 50 when I retire instead of the way I was going which would have been 80+ lol! 😀

@Dicey is right.. you have a good way with words.

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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2025, 04:22:51 AM »
Thank you, @Jade ! Good luck with your early retirement! :)

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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2025, 07:06:59 AM »
Wonderful. I've sort of down-shifted temporarily (or permanently, not sure yet). We were at a gorgeous park the other day mid-week mid-day and nobody else was there, it was pure bliss. The day had perfect weather and the path meanders down to the the coast where we watched two super entertaining hawks gliding around for a good amount of time, it was glorious to not be in a rush just to be in the moment without a care. 

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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2025, 03:31:38 PM »
Beautiful photo! I love going to parks during the day on weekdays, so peaceful and empty. And I have had a similar epiphany, except while at the grocery store. I love grocery shopping on weekday mornings. Not many folks there, the folks that are there (many also retired, or employees working the calm morning shift) seem pretty relaxed, and it's the time of day where there's a lot of reduced price items left (especially in the produce section at my regular store), so I can spend even less $$ on the food that I will be cooking from scratch.

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« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2025, 05:33:58 PM »
I, too, have found myself with similar thoughts. It makes one think about how unnatural and unhealthy much of modern life is.
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« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2025, 02:12:27 AM »
I, too, have found myself with similar thoughts. It makes one think about how unnatural and unhealthy much of modern life is.
Man, ain't that the truth!

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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2025, 12:11:16 PM »
I, too, have found myself with similar thoughts. It makes one think about how unnatural and unhealthy much of modern life is.
Man, ain't that the truth!

My husband sent me this article today where a french woman (rightly imo) criticised how we approach lunch / eating on the run and the rat race, in the UK. It ties in with your comment above...
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/foodanddrink/other/fury-as-french-woman-slams-london-meal-deal-culture-and-rat-race-lunches/ar-AA1H6qZv?cvid=1cc23f1495454afac067faa8befac700&ei=29

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« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2025, 04:00:29 AM »
I, too, have found myself with similar thoughts. It makes one think about how unnatural and unhealthy much of modern life is.

YES!!!

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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2025, 04:05:57 AM »
Interesting article, @Jade ! I live in Portugal. Most people don't have a lot of money, but working people have serious lunch breaks where they sit down at a table and eat REAL FOOD. Lunch is sacred and you don't mess with it. I told my Portuguese teacher that many US and UK people just have 20 minutes to shovel down a sandwich while sitting at their desk and she was aghast.

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« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2025, 09:12:38 AM »
Interesting article, @Jade ! I live in Portugal. Most people don't have a lot of money, but working people have serious lunch breaks where they sit down at a table and eat REAL FOOD. Lunch is sacred and you don't mess with it. I told my Portuguese teacher that many US and UK people just have 20 minutes to shovel down a sandwich while sitting at their desk and she was aghast.

You have your priorities right in Portugal @Idlewild ! I've heard France is often like this too.. apparently if there's a bad traffic jam, there's often picnic baskets taken out to the side of the road and bottles of wine decanted and lunch eaten properly regardless.

The ironic things is those "cheap" meal deals are about £5 a day whereas you could have much better, tastier and real food and for less money, if you made / prepared it yourself. I do understand the rush and stress people feel though, I've worked in London and had that hectic lifestyle too. I think sometimes it's a bigger societal problem of how much employers expect of their staff, and the whole machinery of society. Thank god for FIRE and mmm!
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