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Reflections on my 4th FIRE anniversary
« on: January 06, 2022, 02:16:40 PM »
Four years ago today, at the tender age of 49, I left the career world behind and started calling myself retired.  It seems like a good time to offer some random musings on how things have gone so far.

Despite some modest lifestyle inflation, price inflation, and a couple of big ticket extra purchases, DW and I have a substantially larger stash than we had when we started.  Even with the lifestyle inflation, my simulations still show a 100% historical success rate, plus a 15% buffer.  Earlier this year, our net worth crossed the million dollar mark for the first time.  If you back out home equity, we're still a little under that mark, but not by a lot.  Thank you, stock market.

Several milestones are coming up over the horizon that will make monetary failure even less likely than it already is.  In about 4 years, I will be eligible to begin a small defined benefit pension.  Nowhere near enough to live on, but enough to make a meaningful reduction in the amount we have to pull from the portfolio.  In about 6 years, the house will be paid off, and in 9 years I'll be eligible to start social security, which will further reduce the amount we have to pull from the stash.  At that point, assuming there's any of the stash left, failure will be very unlikely, barring the collapse of society.  Screw you, climate change.

I pulled the plug shortly after the attempt to repeal the ACA failed by the narrowest of margins.  So far, I've had great health insurance at a very low cost.  Thank you, John McCain.

We went on a family vacation out west in the fall of 2018, and I discovered that I really want to travel and see more things while I'm still relatively young and vigorous.  Pre-FIRE I never had much urge to travel.  Work travel was a pain in the ass, and leisure travel didn't interest me because of the re-entry stress that I experienced when I got back.  Now I actually want to go places (hence some of the lifestyle inflation).  We haven't done nearly enough traveling to suit me due to some family health issues and covid, but we're aiming to get back on track with it this year.

Speaking of family health issues, I've discovered that being retired doesn't eliminate all of your sources of stress.  Thankfully, we're doing well now, but I definitely do not take our health for granted any more.

Aside from the health stuff, my biggest source of angst so far has been the fact that I still don't really know what I want to be when I grow up.  About 6 months into FIRE, I agreed to go on the board of a non-profit that operates in my former career field.  Gradually that has come to evoke more and more of the old grumpiness, not so much because of the time commitment (which isn't all that much in the grand scheme of things), but because it keeps me involved in many of the same old arguments that used to burn me out at work.  So, I'm looking for a way to bow out of that gracefully, and looking for something else I can get involved in that is fulfilling without being draining (or a big time commitment).

I've always been the outdoor type, and I find that I'm hunting, fishing, camping, and hiking more now.  I'd like to do much more, but it seems that there is always some chore around the house that gets in the way.  After all, there are 168 hours in a week, and I only got back about 50 of them.  It's a cliche, but I really do wonder how I ever had time to work.

Things haven't been all sunshine and roses, but FIRE still beats career up one side and down the other.  Although I can't swear that I won't ever need to make any more money in my life, I feel pretty sure I'm not ever going back to full time career work.

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Re: Reflections on my 4th FIRE anniversary
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2022, 02:38:44 PM »
I've been retired just over 2.5 years.  I always thought that maybe I'd continue part time in the software project management field or do occasional short term projects, but as time goes on, I'm realizing I really don't want to be on anyone else's timetable or have to fake ambition/being hungry/willing to do whatever it takes for a company.

Covid and a parent's illness and death put a damper on this time for sure, as well as dealing with the remaining parent's dementia and eventual placement into assisted living-- but being already retired made this sooooo much easier.    But no regrets.  I love having my time.  I love being able to decide what to do with my day, even if its just sitting in the sunshine at 10am because I can.  My health has significantly improved- between additional time for more exercise and time to prepare more food from scratch and overall less stress.  I spend more time with those close to me, including a new generation (sister's grandchildren).  I love going down rabbit holes learning new things, I've taken a ton of classes, including things completely outside my formal education.   Its not nirvana- I still have to do the work of figuring out what gives me meaning on an on going basis, but I feel so blessed to be able to direct my days while I'm still healthy and vital.

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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2022, 04:08:03 PM »
I very much enjoyed reading this update/retrospective. Was interested to read both about discovering an enjoyment of travel you didn't have in your working days and the lack of appeal of being involved in your old field of work even when it wasn't a major time commitment. Am I remembering right that you worked at a university before pulling the plug?

Also really appreciated the reference to just recently (post-FIRE) ticking over a million. I think I've been reading too many posts from folks which have skewed my sense of "normal" savings targets in the multiple millions.

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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2022, 05:23:01 PM »
We're 3 years, 8 months and 5 days after retiring.  (I looked up my tagline on this forum, it's not like I keep count!)

It's -- wonderful.   Simply wonderful.

We didn't get to travel much the first 20 months.   Had to finish renovating two rental houses, my wife messed up her ankle and her knee in two separate incidents, my mentally handicapped daughter broke her leg, and my wife and I had two bad bouts of the flu.   But other than that we enjoyed it immensely.  :)

We moved in Jan 2020 into a new home which is just perfect for us.  Then covid hit and that scotched all the travel plans we had made and then some.   Other than the impacts of covid we've also enjoyed this time immensely.

I can only say I can't imagine how horrible it would have been to go thru all that and still have to go to work whilst living paycheck to paycheck.   It would have been horrible -- assuming we lived thru the last two years as both of us are higher risk.

We've had way more time to spend on things that are of far more interest to us than doing work for other people.   Art, writing, craft, reading, and tuning our new home to the way we want it have been what we've spent a lot of our time on.

I'm hoping to travel once covid is better under control -- a day that will come much faster if 20-24% of the electorate would get vaccinated and if we as a nation made a huge push to supply vaccinations all over the world, too.

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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2022, 06:17:15 PM »
Recently FIREd so I am loving these types of updates!

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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2022, 06:24:45 PM »
I very much enjoyed reading this update/retrospective. Was interested to read both about discovering an enjoyment of travel you didn't have in your working days and the lack of appeal of being involved in your old field of work even when it wasn't a major time commitment. Am I remembering right that you worked at a university before pulling the plug?

Also really appreciated the reference to just recently (post-FIRE) ticking over a million. I think I've been reading too many posts from folks which have skewed my sense of "normal" savings targets in the multiple millions.

Thanks.  Actually, I worked for Uncle Sam in the environmental field.  And now the board gig has turned into watchdogging my former agency.  In addition to the awkwardness of being in conflict with former colleagues, I just don't want to keep having the same old arguments over and over.

Yeah, I feel like I'm a bit old school in the FIRE world, having pulled the plug while I was still well short of the two comma club.  I guess it helps that I was a bit older than all the millennials who are trying to jump while they're still in their 30s.

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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2022, 06:27:17 PM »
We're 3 years, 8 months and 5 days after retiring.  (I looked up my tagline on this forum, it's not like I keep count!)

It's -- wonderful.   Simply wonderful.

We didn't get to travel much the first 20 months.   Had to finish renovating two rental houses, my wife messed up her ankle and her knee in two separate incidents, my mentally handicapped daughter broke her leg, and my wife and I had two bad bouts of the flu.   But other than that we enjoyed it immensely.  :)

We moved in Jan 2020 into a new home which is just perfect for us.  Then covid hit and that scotched all the travel plans we had made and then some.   Other than the impacts of covid we've also enjoyed this time immensely.

I can only say I can't imagine how horrible it would have been to go thru all that and still have to go to work whilst living paycheck to paycheck.   It would have been horrible -- assuming we lived thru the last two years as both of us are higher risk.

We've had way more time to spend on things that are of far more interest to us than doing work for other people.   Art, writing, craft, reading, and tuning our new home to the way we want it have been what we've spent a lot of our time on.

I'm hoping to travel once covid is better under control -- a day that will come much faster if 20-24% of the electorate would get vaccinated and if we as a nation made a huge push to supply vaccinations all over the world, too.

I hear you.  The shit that we went through from late 2019 through about September of 2020 was the most trying time of my life to date.  It would have been much worse with a high-stress career on top of it all.

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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2022, 06:44:06 PM »
Great update!

So, I'm looking for a way to bow out of that gracefully, and looking for something else I can get involved in that is fulfilling without being draining (or a big time commitment).


This is also much of where I am, though I am about 6 months behind you in FIRE time.  Mostly I'm excited for the big adventure of trying to find that thing(s) and know I (should, statistically) have lots of time to take it slow finding it AND enjoying it, but....sometimes I wish it would just get here, ring my doorbell and announce itself already. 

In the meantime, still enjoying myself beyond reckoning with things I like and sort of love doing, so cannot complain.

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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2022, 09:43:16 PM »
Awesome update. Thank You. Thanks for everyone else's comments as well.

I've been retired for 15 months now.I retired when I was 47 and your age and situation feels similar but of course not the same.

I find the traveling comment interesting. We rarely traveled and have no intention of traveling at this point in time but you never know.

I also like the idea about being young enough to still do things.

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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2022, 04:56:02 AM »
Awesome update. Thank You. Thanks for everyone else's comments as well.

I've been retired for 15 months now.I retired when I was 47 and your age and situation feels similar but of course not the same.

I find the traveling comment interesting. We rarely traveled and have no intention of traveling at this point in time but you never know.

I also like the idea about being young enough to still do things.

Yeah, I seem to have this weird sense of urgency to do things before it's too late (mostly going places I'd like to see).  It's not like I'm on the nursing home doorstep or anything.  I guess it's because I've known several people who were not all that old but never got to enjoy their retirement because of unexpected health problems.  Sometimes I get really frustrated that I can't be out there having those experiences every single day.

It occurred to me that my opening post didn't really convey much sense of enjoyment of FIRE so far.  While there certainly have been frustrations and angst, I am supremely joyful that my time is my own and I don't have to go somewhere I don't want to go and do things I don't want to do every day.  That is something that I hadn't experienced since I was 4 years old, and the new hasn't worn off of it yet.
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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2022, 05:02:36 AM »
"  After all, there are 168 hours in a week, and I only got back about 50 of them."

What an interesting and insightful observation.

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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2022, 05:03:40 AM »
Thanks for posting this. As a soon to be FIREe I really like seeing people's posts about how it's been going.

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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2022, 07:28:06 AM »

I've always been the outdoor type, and I find that I'm hunting, fishing, camping, and hiking more now.  I'd like to do much more, but it seems that there is always some chore around the house that gets in the way.  After all, there are 168 hours in a week, and I only got back about 50 of them.  It's a cliche, but I really do wonder how I ever had time to work.

Exactly my observation too! After I retired, I do keep finding chores that take up a fair bit of my time. I am trying to organize them so that I can get them over with in one shot and keep the rest of my time free. The best days are the ones when I get up with no feeling of obligation to do anything at all!

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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2022, 07:48:38 AM »

I've always been the outdoor type, and I find that I'm hunting, fishing, camping, and hiking more now.  I'd like to do much more, but it seems that there is always some chore around the house that gets in the way.  After all, there are 168 hours in a week, and I only got back about 50 of them.  It's a cliche, but I really do wonder how I ever had time to work.

Exactly my observation too! After I retired, I do keep finding chores that take up a fair bit of my time. I am trying to organize them so that I can get them over with in one shot and keep the rest of my time free. The best days are the ones when I get up with no feeling of obligation to do anything at all!

its kinda crazy how much stuff there is to do to maintain a house.  And how much we just ignore b/c we're working and its not worth outsourcing

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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2022, 12:49:06 PM »

I've always been the outdoor type, and I find that I'm hunting, fishing, camping, and hiking more now.  I'd like to do much more, but it seems that there is always some chore around the house that gets in the way.  After all, there are 168 hours in a week, and I only got back about 50 of them.  It's a cliche, but I really do wonder how I ever had time to work.

Exactly my observation too! After I retired, I do keep finding chores that take up a fair bit of my time. I am trying to organize them so that I can get them over with in one shot and keep the rest of my time free. The best days are the ones when I get up with no feeling of obligation to do anything at all!

Yeah, I often find that my mind is racing, thinking, "I have to do this, and this, and that, etc., how am I going to organize my time so I can get it all done?"  And then I realize that all those things don't really add up to a ton of time, but my mind sees them as this long laundry list of tasks.  Some of the tasks can only be done at specific times or within particular windows of opportunity, and I think that produces a sense of something hanging over my head.  I used to just squeeze all my chores in here and there in my spare time without really thinking much about them.  I guess the difference now is that I have time and energy to contemplate instead of just having my head down plowing forward all the time. 

One thing I have done is limit the impact of my volunteer board gig on my time.  It got to where someone was wanting me to be on a zoom call for this or that several times a week.  The calls would only be an hour or two, but of course everyone wants to have them at 10 in the morning or 2:00 in the afternoon on a weekday.  That pretty much blows the whole day for a hunting or fishing trip.  Or it happens to land on the one sunny day when I really need to split firewood.  Schedule two or three of those a week and I can't do much of what I was really wanting/needing to do.  So I've decided that if someone wants to do a call at 10:00 on Tuesday morning, fine, I'll schedule it, but I'm not scheduling any calls on any other day that week.  If they want me for something else, it will also have to be scheduled on Tuesday, since Tuesday is already shot.  But I'm not wasting another day that week.

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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2022, 01:07:35 PM »
I learned that lesson too!  As far as possible, group all commitments (volunteer gigs, appointments, courses) on one or two days only and leave most other days completely free.  When I had commitments scattered through the week, even ones I 100% chose myself, I started to feel very constrained even though I hadn't objectively committed to all that many hours in total.   I've always been an on/off person and in retirement, it seems I still am.  Only now I really treasure my off days and fight to protect them.



I've always been the outdoor type, and I find that I'm hunting, fishing, camping, and hiking more now.  I'd like to do much more, but it seems that there is always some chore around the house that gets in the way.  After all, there are 168 hours in a week, and I only got back about 50 of them.  It's a cliche, but I really do wonder how I ever had time to work.

Exactly my observation too! After I retired, I do keep finding chores that take up a fair bit of my time. I am trying to organize them so that I can get them over with in one shot and keep the rest of my time free. The best days are the ones when I get up with no feeling of obligation to do anything at all!

Yeah, I often find that my mind is racing, thinking, "I have to do this, and this, and that, etc., how am I going to organize my time so I can get it all done?"  And then I realize that all those things don't really add up to a ton of time, but my mind sees them as this long laundry list of tasks.  Some of the tasks can only be done at specific times or within particular windows of opportunity, and I think that produces a sense of something hanging over my head.  I used to just squeeze all my chores in here and there in my spare time without really thinking much about them.  I guess the difference now is that I have time and energy to contemplate instead of just having my head down plowing forward all the time. 

One thing I have done is limit the impact of my volunteer board gig on my time.  It got to where someone was wanting me to be on a zoom call for this or that several times a week.  The calls would only be an hour or two, but of course everyone wants to have them at 10 in the morning or 2:00 in the afternoon on a weekday.  That pretty much blows the whole day for a hunting or fishing trip.  Or it happens to land on the one sunny day when I really need to split firewood.  Schedule two or three of those a week and I can't do much of what I was really wanting/needing to do.  So I've decided that if someone wants to do a call at 10:00 on Tuesday morning, fine, I'll schedule it, but I'm not scheduling any calls on any other day that week.  If they want me for something else, it will also have to be scheduled on Tuesday, since Tuesday is already shot.  But I'm not wasting another day that week.

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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2022, 03:05:56 PM »
Next month is my 2 yr FIRE anniversary. I retired at 50 and we also have income streams kicking in over the next 10 yrs.  Many parallels between your story and mine.  Although I knew I enjoyed traveling, Covid has definitely limited ours.  I left a relatively high stress career, so not missing it at all.  I started out relaxing a lot and doing outside activities, worked on projects and focused on improving my health and fitness. 

"I am supremely joyful that my time is my own and I don't have to go somewhere I don't want to go and do things I don't want to do every day.  That is something that I hadn't experienced since I was 4 years old, and the new hasn't worn off of it yet."

It sounds like you are single, because a spouse and/or family in general, requires some compromise.  I hear what you are saying though.  The last 5 yrs of my career felt like voluntary imprisonment. 

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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2022, 05:40:27 PM »
Next month is my 2 yr FIRE anniversary. I retired at 50 and we also have income streams kicking in over the next 10 yrs.  Many parallels between your story and mine.  Although I knew I enjoyed traveling, Covid has definitely limited ours.  I left a relatively high stress career, so not missing it at all.  I started out relaxing a lot and doing outside activities, worked on projects and focused on improving my health and fitness. 

"I am supremely joyful that my time is my own and I don't have to go somewhere I don't want to go and do things I don't want to do every day.  That is something that I hadn't experienced since I was 4 years old, and the new hasn't worn off of it yet."

It sounds like you are single, because a spouse and/or family in general, requires some compromise.  I hear what you are saying though.  The last 5 yrs of my career felt like voluntary imprisonment.

Sorry for giving the wrong impression - I've been married for 30 years, and we have an adult son who has been living on his own for a while and recently got married.  Plus I have aging parents.  So family life coordination is just something that's always there that I don't really think about.  I guess I don't really consider the everyday compromises of family life to be "doing something I don't want to do."

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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2022, 06:55:22 PM »
Next month is my 2 yr FIRE anniversary. I retired at 50 and we also have income streams kicking in over the next 10 yrs.  Many parallels between your story and mine.  Although I knew I enjoyed traveling, Covid has definitely limited ours.  I left a relatively high stress career, so not missing it at all.  I started out relaxing a lot and doing outside activities, worked on projects and focused on improving my health and fitness. 

"I am supremely joyful that my time is my own and I don't have to go somewhere I don't want to go and do things I don't want to do every day.  That is something that I hadn't experienced since I was 4 years old, and the new hasn't worn off of it yet."

It sounds like you are single, because a spouse and/or family in general, requires some compromise.  I hear what you are saying though.  The last 5 yrs of my career felt like voluntary imprisonment.

Sorry for giving the wrong impression - I've been married for 30 years, and we have an adult son who has been living on his own for a while and recently got married.  Plus I have aging parents.  So family life coordination is just something that's always there that I don't really think about.  I guess I don't really consider the everyday compromises of family life to be "doing something I don't want to do."

Understood and Agreed.

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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2022, 07:16:46 PM »
It occurred to me that my opening post didn't really convey much sense of enjoyment of FIRE so far.  While there certainly have been frustrations and angst, I am supremely joyful that my time is my own and I don't have to go somewhere I don't want to go and do things I don't want to do every day.  That is something that I hadn't experienced since I was 4 years old, and the new hasn't worn off of it yet.

I get it. It's such a change.

I've was trying to think about how to phrase this and it's hard. Retirement has traditionally been seen as a tough period for people. I'm not sure if that is some cultural push to get people to love work or if there is some reason being it. Assuming there is a reason behind it I think part of it may be that it's such a massive change that it takes some time getting used to it.

I still can't believe I don't have to go to work every day. I don't really miss work at all. FIRE is amazing but to me at least it's not a massive high or anything like that. It's more like a long extended relaxed holiday.
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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2022, 08:55:42 PM »
It occurred to me that my opening post didn't really convey much sense of enjoyment of FIRE so far.  While there certainly have been frustrations and angst, I am supremely joyful that my time is my own and I don't have to go somewhere I don't want to go and do things I don't want to do every day.  That is something that I hadn't experienced since I was 4 years old, and the new hasn't worn off of it yet.

I get it. It's such a change.

I've was trying to think about how to phrase this and it's hard. Retirement has traditionally been seen as a tough period for people. I'm not sure if that is some cultural push to get people to love work or if there is some reason being it. Assuming there is a reason behind it I think part of it may be that it's such a massive change that it takes some time getting used to it.

I still can't believe I don't have to go to work every day. I don't really miss work at all. FIRE is amazing but to me at least it's not a massive high or anything like that. It's more like a long extended relaxed holiday.

I think it's something close to this.  The cultural turn we've taken to all the pressure to love your job/it to be your "passion" in life and for it to be all-consuming and all-encompassing (other than immediate family; as we have much less involvement in community-based things like church and Rotary Club, etc. where people used to meet friends and future spouses, etc.), it's a natural extension that leaving work may be very tough and even traumatic in this type of culture.  It's a shift that is mental and physical and everything else. 

For me, it worked out great, because I was disillusioned that any jobs I had never were the end-all-be-all for me that they were "supposed to be" and I've found in retired life I have much more of the freedom to find disparate things that satisfy my disparate needs and desires.  But for people that have been working 60 hours/week for decades and met their SO through work and do all their extracurricular things with people from work and they have to market themselves constantly for work on TikTok and other social media....I can imagine it would be a huge shift.  Even for people in between those two extremes, it takes a lot to shift mindsets and body patterns.

 

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