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Quietly Freaking Out
« on: June 13, 2016, 02:18:16 AM »
Aloha all,

This is my first post to the MMM forums but I’ve been a long time stalker.  I’m about 5 months out from my last day and find myself flip flopping between being crazy excited and a nervous wreck.  I’ve run the numbers a thousand times and tried to think through all the worst-case scenarios I can dream up.  We live fairly frugally and well within our means (as well as our projected retirement means), but I have two younger kiddos (10 and 12) and a wife who thinks I’m nuts most of the time and I’m concerned about always being able to provide for them.  Any advice for mentally preparing for the shift?  I’m usually a pretty laid-back, easy going dude, but my mind’s been racing in circles over this whole thing as it (thankfully) gets closer.  The whole idea is to free myself up, rediscover who I am, chase my dreams, and in the process become a better husband and father but I’m scared that maybe I’ll find out I’m just a giant douche.

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Re: Quietly Freaking Out
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2016, 02:22:37 AM »
If RE makes you nervous, why don't you try easing in? Can you work 3days a week for a year or two (or...?)

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Re: Quietly Freaking Out
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2016, 05:01:12 AM »
Congrats on being so close!  I am doing something similar to what Nangirl17 suggests.  I still have one in school, so I am going to "downshift" from full-time, work a part-time job and try some new things too. It is likely I will generate income from new things I do as well.  Hang in there - I just turned down a full-time job and once I hit send on the resignation email, I felt a huge weight lifted off me!

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Re: Quietly Freaking Out
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2016, 05:11:27 AM »
If you are nervous and concerned about it, you probably haven't accumulated a large enough nest egg.
Might want to rethink the early retirement plan?

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Re: Quietly Freaking Out
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2016, 06:38:39 AM »
Well, what are your numbers?

Maybe you are freaking out because they don't make sense.

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Re: Quietly Freaking Out
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2016, 09:24:27 AM »
A few thoughts..

1) Why don't you post your numbers for us to take a look.

2) The very fact you told us you want to retire so you can be a better father/Husband and you ARE freaking out.. Right there that tells me you are NOT a douchbag

3) You may or may not have a big enough stash.. But lets think about this for a moment.. You are shutting off a firehose of cash.. The same firehose that has been your lifeline for many years. Don't expect to feel great about this. Its a huge leap of faith. I spent over a year waking up in the middle of the night wondering if we were headed to th poorhouse.

Its all a normal reation my friend.. breath deep. It will be fine..:)

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Re: Quietly Freaking Out
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2016, 10:12:13 AM »
What is going to happen in 5 months that defines that as your last day?  Maybe that would help fill in some of the picture. 

FWIW I also have a 10 and 12 y.o. (42 y.o. myself).  Although FI, I find myself flipping and flopping around the idea of ER.  This summer my wife is at home with the kids and I'm flipping back toward being quite comfortable at work :)  We have some fun vacations and activities planned, but I feel like I get the best of both worlds by being FI but also having a job I enjoy going to.

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Re: Quietly Freaking Out
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2016, 02:23:32 AM »
Hey all, thanks for the feedback!  I think for me the numbers are close, but we’ll be ok…it’s more the mental preparation that’s getting me. 

I’ve spent 23 years in the military and I have zero complaints…it’s given me my career, my family and incredible experiences.  But I’m tired and I feel like somewhere in blur I’ve lost part of who I am and I’m nervous about going through the process of rediscovering “me” and how that’s going to work out for all of us!  I understand it’s part of the process and I’ve read all the books…was looking for some practical advice from folks who have lived it.

That being said, my post-retirement numbers look like this:

-   Two pensions/VA bens: $5100/mo (net) (so we’re lucky here…wife was active duty and pulls a pension as well.  This could go up depending if I qualify for VA benefits, but I’m not counting on anything)
-   Mortgage #1 - $1300/month, currently renting for $1530/mo ($150K balance).  Seriously considering putting it on the market…we’ve been very lucky with it, but could cause a drag if it goes unrented for a long period of time…we have wiggle room if we get rid of it.
-   Mortgage #2 - $1200/month, just bought as the “putting-down-roots” home.  Put down $47K to get under the PMI requirement ($187K balance)
-   $200K in Vanguard/TSP
-   $40K in kid’s college accounts (Post-911 GI Bill will help out here)
-   $30K cash
-   Zero car notes, credit card debt, etc.
-   Also, wife is working on her Counseling Masters and will most likely be pursuing employment within the next year.

Thanks again everybody, I really appreciate the input.
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Re: Quietly Freaking Out
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2016, 04:15:51 AM »
Sweet $5,100/mo pension.  You have nothing to worry about.

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Re: Quietly Freaking Out
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2016, 05:34:55 AM »
Have you read Nords on this site and http://the-military-guide.com? Invoking his name here so he'll swoop in and tell you you are doing great. Also, I send people to the thread below because it has excellent info on asset allocation and the military pension. Plus, it's a good read.
http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/post-fire/what-has-workednot-worked-for-you-guys-who-have-been-fire-for-10-yrs/msg739384/#msg739384

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Re: Quietly Freaking Out
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2016, 06:13:37 AM »
Mortgage number one seems like you probably are losing money long term given how little you are renting it out at.

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Re: Quietly Freaking Out
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2016, 10:27:08 AM »
Lots of good posts on https://livingafi.com/

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Re: Quietly Freaking Out
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2016, 04:04:59 PM »
First congrats! I'm actually really jealous of you. I'm 42 and could RE on what I have saved up with plenty of wiggle room. I'm not in love with my job (it stresses me out some days A LOT). It keeps me busy though. I just don't have the guts to pull the plug yet. I feel like my family would make judgments about me not being a productive member of society.

I say go for it! Plus you are in HAWAII!!!! What a nice place to spend some time getting to know yourself. Aloha

 

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Re: Quietly Freaking Out
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2016, 12:01:24 AM »
Have you read Nords on this site and http://the-military-guide.com?

Great site and great info...I’ve read his book too and it’s safe to say he melts my brain on a regular basis.  I actually had the pleasure of meeting Nords and getting to hear his wisdom firsthand.  We didn't talk specific numbers but he had plenty of great advice and just hearing it coming from another military retiree was reassuring.


Lots of good posts on https://livingafi.com/

You’re right and I need to plow back through his posts.  He led me to Ernie Z’s Happy, Wild, and Free which I just finished up…great read.  I’m still working on my Get-a-Life tree and it’s been a good time running through the exercise.  The whole process seemed to gain a life of it’s own once I got started.  Can’t wait to tack it up in the garage to keep me on point and keep adding to it!  There’s definitely no excuse to ever get bored…

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Re: Quietly Freaking Out
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2016, 12:08:18 AM »
First congrats! I'm actually really jealous of you. I'm 42 and could RE on what I have saved up with plenty of wiggle room. I'm not in love with my job (it stresses me out some days A LOT). It keeps me busy though. I just don't have the guts to pull the plug yet. I feel like my family would make judgments about me not being a productive member of society.

I say go for it! Plus you are in HAWAII!!!! What a nice place to spend some time getting to know yourself. Aloha

Thanks pdxbator

You're a little younger so maybe you still have the energy!  My job has just worn on me for too long...love that I've been a part of it but I've been stuck in soul-sucking cubicle-land for too long and it's just not me.  And unfortunately I'm at the point in my career where that's all it will be from here on out...the young guys get to do all the fun stuff.  Watching the old timers trudge in and out with eternal scowls on their faces doesn't do much for the psyche either.

Unfortunately we're not staying in Hawaii but you better believe we're going to make the last few months count! 

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Re: Quietly Freaking Out
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2016, 12:58:13 AM »
So, pensions of $60k net per annum.  Investments of $200k and cash of $30k at 4% withdrawal brings in another $9k per annum.  Equity in a rental to add to that.  Kids reasonable college costs covered.  Wife potentially bringing in income from something she is presumably passionate about.  Money is not your issue.

Mentally, going FIRE is a big thing, and it's entirely normal to be excited/worried - I was the same, which of course means it must be normal.  I'd say take your time, don't make any quick commitments, settle in to your new place and new life and see where it takes you, which could be some surprising directions or could be what you've wanted for a long time but been unable to do while chained to work.  You say you are usually laid-back and easy going and that will kick back in as you settle in to your new life.

Congratulations, and good luck.

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Re: Quietly Freaking Out
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2016, 07:53:38 AM »
I have 4 kids at home a Turning Senior and Turning Junior in HS and a 12 and 10 year old so I know your worries/concerns. I have been Fired for 14 months and still question it but less and less as Nord (others have mentioned) has recently commented on. With your pension your in really good shape imho. While I fire'd with 25x's and no pension my back up plan is if it drops to having only 20x's in the earlier stages I will get a senseless job for awhile. Overall as I said I think your in good shape! if not great!

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Re: Quietly Freaking Out
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2016, 12:11:55 PM »
-   Two pensions/VA bens: $5100/mo (net) (so we’re lucky here…wife was active duty and pulls a pension as well.  This could go up depending if I qualify for VA benefits, but I’m not counting on anything)

Have you read Nords on this site and http://the-military-guide.com? Invoking his name here so he'll swoop in and tell you you are doing great.
Thanks, Basenji!

Yep, Tubby, you're good.  I have scant anecdotal data for this next statement, but EVERY. DUAL-MILITARY. RETIREE. COUPLE. that I have ever heard from (over a dozen) has more money than they need. They're more concerned about estate planning than cash flow.  I'd expect to hear from the dual-military retirees who are having financial problems, but I have never been contacted.

Ideally you've already filed your VA fully-developed disability benefits claim and been to your C&P exams.  If not, contact VSO Ryan Burgos at the Tripler DAV VSO office for a chat.  (433-0490, DAV.VBAHon@VA.gov)  It might take 4-6 weeks for you to get an appointment.  While you're waiting you could read this post:
http://the-military-guide.com/va-really-disability-claim/

You may be saving your leave for a big chunk of terminal leave, but you could also take a day or two of leave each week to practice easing into the retirement life.  In a few months you'll be experiencing "The Last PCS" in a new location, in a different home, taking care of the domestic routine.  You'll have plenty to do while you contemplate the next phase of your financial independence.

Your tweens don't care about you setting a good example by providing for them.  They might be concerned about their allowances, but you can reassure them that you have a budget and savings.  At this point in their lives they just want to spend more time with you (and know that you're around to cater to their every whim).  Besides, at these ages (the "danger years"), pretty soon they'll stop talking to you and won't want to be embarrassed in front of their friends by being seen with you in public.  Around age 15 they'll be thinking about ways to relieve you of your car keys, and after that they'll start expressing their independence (through rebellion) as they flap their wings on the edge of the nest.  Once they're launched then you'll have plenty of time to think about a new career as a giant douche.  Or not.

Your spouse has to find her own way to enjoy her financial independence.  If she's feeling challenged & fulfilled, and if she has enough autonomy, then she really has no reason to ever stop working.  (There's certainly no financial reason to continue working.)  You'll figure out your own interests.  The rest of 2016 and early 2017 will be busy enough.  Don't rush into the rest of your life.

If your spidey senses are tingling about your rental property with mortgage #1, then you should sell it.  The cash flow is not great and you can do without the hassle.  If you buy another home in your retirement location and apply for a mortgage on it, the lender will certainly punish you for the finances of that rental property.  And by the way, you and your spouse's VA disability ratings will probably make you eligible to wave the funding fee on a VA loan.  That might be a better deal than a conventional FHA loan.  With your dual-military pension income (and its annual COLA), you can stretch out the mortgage payments for 30 years.  Our mortgages won't be paid off until I'm 80 years old.

In the meantime, let me know if you want to get together again to go over the details one more time.  Or we could just go surfing at White Plains Beach.*

[*  Scheduling:  I'm free for the next couple of weeks, then I'm off island from July through early October.]

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Re: Quietly Freaking Out
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2016, 12:28:27 PM »
Watching the old timers trudge in and out with eternal scowls on their faces doesn't do much for the psyche either.
Good that you recognize this for what it is.