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FIREds: Do you structure your lives?
« on: June 27, 2023, 06:39:22 AM »
Retired 6 years. 90% of the time I don’t know what I’m going to do until I do it. Got 2 buddies, one works ~5-10 hours a week, one retired at 45; both plan their days pretty well.

Seems to me to work out OK either way.

Do you put a structure around it?

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Re: FIREds: Do you structure your lives?
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2023, 08:10:29 AM »
I'm pretty structured.  I'm in a volunteer activity that requires a lot of structure in it's nature (lots of responsibility over several people, different activities at different times, on different days with different carpools) so we all have to be calendar driven to be a part of it.  So as long as I am doing that, then I will have a good framework to my time.  But that also fits my personality, if it didn't, it would be a bear. 

I also coordinate time with friends that are still working, and they are very calendar driven due to their jobs.  So we have to schedule in advance times to get together.  It's been working for years and we are still good friends, even vacation together sometimes. 

I do schedule in unstructured days (HA!) so take that as you will :).

DH on the other hand is more a leaf on the wind.  Unless it is something I scheduled with him to fit my schedule (we grocery shop together, or have movie lunch Friday), he just rolls out of bed and see how he feels about life.  Then does that until he is done doing it. 

Luckily he is more than happy to work around my scheduling tendencies because sometimes they go crazy when there is an emergency and I have to pack up and leave town in a hurry.

I think both paths in life are good as long as they fit the person that has to live it.  If it isn't working for you, then change it, if you can.  People with young kids and/or pets will probably have more structure while others have the option of less. 

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Re: FIREds: Do you structure your lives?
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2023, 08:54:12 AM »

I try to complete a core exercise routine and stretching exercise routine daily and strength training once a week, usually on Thursdays.  I generally eat between 1pm and 7pm.  I try to plan a day out on the water with friend(s) weekly (kayaking, fishing, surfing, etc).  I recently started a PT job as a kayak guide at night.  I have decided to limit this to 2 days a week and I plan to schedule them out a week in advance. Otherwise, I may have a general idea a day in advance of what I will do, but I don't plan it down to the hour. For example, I might complete my daily exercise routine in the morning or as late as 4 in the afternoon.  Generally speaking though, I wouldn't describe my life as very structured.   


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Re: FIREds: Do you structure your lives?
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2023, 11:12:48 AM »
I don't try to structure my life, but it ends up working out that way.

I've resisted taking on volunteer activities or anything else that requires me to be somewhere or do something on a fixed schedule. I like the idea of waking up and having the freedom to do whatever I want with the day. I might work in my garden if the weather is nice, or read a book if it's not, or do some cleaning or home projects, or watch TV or a movie, depending on how the mood takes me.

On the other hand, some things just fall naturally into a schedule. I go food shopping on Fridays for the following week. I usually cook on Mondays and make dinner in portions to last all week. I try to work out at least 3 times per week and get at least 10,000 steps per day, which usually entails a long walk either in midmorning or evening.

Also, like @Loren Ver said, most of my friends are still working and have limited free time, so I have to plan social outings with them weeks or months in advance. My son starts summer vacation this week, and most of our weekends until he goes back to school are already booked! That's a little frustrating... but I suppose it's better than not having any friends who want to make plans with us.

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Re: FIREds: Do you structure your lives?
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2023, 11:24:59 AM »
No, I don't have much structure. I always end up doing a lot more when I don't have structure because I just go with the flow of what I feel like doing at any given moment.

When stuff is scheduled I tend to do less because I'm always concerned about conserving energy for when that scheduled thing is happening.

Granted, that's a health issue thing. Some days I have energy, some days I have zero, so if I have something scheduled for Monday afternoon, I'm a little careful on Sunday and Monday morning so as not to drain the resources, because I can crash HARD if I do just a teensy, tiny bit too much.

However, I have learned to really enjoy listening to my body and my psyche as to what I actually *want* to do. A lot of things that could be coded as "work" or "chores" actually become fun things to do when you mostly do them when you feel like it.

My grad school program is extremely flexible, so I tend to hunker down and focus on that when my body doesn't feel great and all I want to do is rest my body, but don't want to get bored.

Walking the dog or doing PT isn't tedious when I need a break from something else. It's just a nice, refreshing bit of relaxing movement that can reset me if I'm stressed, get my blood flowing if I've been sitting too long, or make my leg hurt less if it's bothering me.

I cook and clean when I feel like listening to an audiobook and keeping my hands busy.

I do dog training when I feel like sitting outside and enjoying the nice weather.

All of these things can feel like chores if I do them when I don't want to, but when I let my body and mood dictate what I do, it's just a day full of fun, interesting things for the most part.

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Re: FIREds: Do you structure your lives?
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2023, 08:49:41 PM »
I tend to rely on To Do lists, and I use Reminders and Calendar on my devices. I also use Notes to maintain list of stuff I need at various stores—Depot, groceries, etc.—which helps me reduce the number of times I need to suffer the torture of spending time inside an actual store.

But no daily routines.

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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2023, 09:03:11 PM »
I'm most content when I don't have much on my schedule, especially meetings. Early into retirement I took on some volunteer gigs that required me to operate on a fixed schedule and go to meetings. No and no. I'm offloading those activities to spend more time on projects that are interesting and more meaningful to me like my garden, taking a pottery class, exercising, working on some community betterment projects (planting trees, greening the neighborhood), reading lots of good books, and walking, biking and busing more places (which takes more time, but brings me contentment). Following my own rhythms makes me much happier and relaxed.

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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2023, 09:19:50 PM »
As a family of 4 we pretty much require a shared calendar to avoid schedule chaos. The kids have social events, sports, and appointments they need to get to, and then DW and I have our own things we like to do. And as others have pointed out, I need to schedule stuff with my non retired friends. But I also like to keep pretty big blocks of unstructured time. So I guess you can say we're a mix.

Today was fairly typical. The kids had sports practice in the morning, and then I had an appointment for a haircut. DW had time scheduled with friends. The unaccounted for hours? Roasted coffee, read, yard work, and helped someone at the church with a tech issue. Then it was such a pleasant evening that I decided to cook pizzas for dinner on the Big Green Egg, which I really enjoy but takes a couple of hours.

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Re: FIREds: Do you structure your lives?
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2023, 06:15:55 PM »
I prefer less structure, although its probably because I'm in the first year of decompression so still in the 'I just wanna chill and not think about things stage'.

My wife however NEEDS to have structure and know what is coming up. It's in her DNA. We're all different and luckily we manage to find a middle ground of doing stuff vs doing nothing lol!

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Re: FIREds: Do you structure your lives?
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2023, 12:54:53 AM »
I’m recently retired and decompressing as well. I have no regular schedule other than exercise and lunch with my girlfriend who is still working.

I’m very much enjoying my unstructured days.

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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2023, 06:17:43 AM »
It's been two and a half years since I retired and I do have a pretty structured day but not by any conscious design - it just happened that way. I have a daily routine that includes time for exercise, programming, building model trains, reading, and watching videos.

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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2023, 11:11:56 AM »
I enjoy this classic by the former Mrs. MMM - https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/05/24/mrs-money-mustache-routine-will-oil-the-machine/ Like her, I often need extrinsic motivation and at least light structure to make my days/weeks feel satisfying. I enjoy tinkering with the balance and love having the freedom to do so.

I hope former Mrs. MMM is doing well and enjoying her life. :)


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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2023, 05:33:11 PM »
I have no structure, spend to much time on the internet. The good thing, if it's good, is a lot of it is hobby related, i.e. electronic, electrical, radio, woodworking. I recently got involved in building  some electronic circuitry for some experiments my chemist son is doing at work. It was ongoing for two months and now that it is over, I feel a big let down and don't know what to do with myself. I have some modifications in the future so I'm looking forward to that. Parts on order.
  I started doing my walking since the project ended.

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Re: FIREds: Do you structure your lives?
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2023, 06:58:25 PM »
Nope.

I do find I am much more productive when I have goals, but I am generally unwilling to set them.

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Re: FIREds: Do you structure your lives?
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2023, 04:54:11 AM »
I tend to rely on To Do lists, and I use Reminders and Calendar on my devices. I also use Notes to maintain list of stuff I need at various stores—Depot, groceries, etc.—which helps me reduce the number of times I need to suffer the torture of spending time inside an actual store.

But no daily routines.

Me too, except I do have a loose but regular routine to my days. 

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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2023, 05:27:38 AM »
I realize that I do have some structure in my day because DH works full time, and I have a morning routine.

My illness makes mornings difficult. I can't even assess what state I'm in until about 1.5-2hrs after I wake up. I reliably wake up with pain and weakness, so I spend about 2 hrs in bed daily drinking tea and fucking around writing shit here. These days I spend the second hour on my deck watching the icebergs float by.

I check my various tasks and start planning out my day based on how I feel and what needs to get done.

-PT is done almost every day, but I have a huge range of exercises, so I pick and choose which based on how my body feels. I also do upper body weight lifting, so I decide what days feel good for doing that.

-My schoolwork is almost 100% flexible and I always aim to get it done at least a week early, so deadlines never dictate whether I choose to work on school in a given day. That's really something I do when my body isn't up for doing something more interesting.

-These days I spend at least 20 minutes each day training the new dog, but often it's quite a bit more because this is an activity that I just throw in throughout my day because it's fun

-I bulk cook on days when I feel up to it so that I don't need to cook when I don't feel like it

-I listen to my textbooks instead of reading them, so this task is always piggy backed on top of cooking, exercise, and chores around the house

-Once DH finishes work, if the weather and my leg cooperates enough, we take a family walk with the new dog down to the ocean cliffs

-We keep our evenings very light. DH gets up extremely early so our evenings are short. From 6-9 for us is like 9-11 for most people. If it's nice, DH will sometimes go shoot hoops. I it isn't, he'll shoot darts. We'll watch an episode of tv, and that's about it.

Overall, my body dictates my schedule. Yesterday I felt pretty good, did PT and weights and then suddenly my body crashed and I literally could not do anything for the rest of the day. When I get like that, I can't even do school work, it's just total shut down. Which is fine, the view here is so nice that just sitting on the sofa looking out the window is a satisfying activity.

That's okay, I've engineered my life to be amenable to those kind of days. That's a big part of why I avoid structure. My body trumps all plans. I've learned to respect who is in charge.

I'm just finishing up hour one of bed and tea and about to head outside because the weather here is GORGEOUS today and our summers are short and our weather is unpredictable, and when it's nice, it's one of the most stunning places on earth. So sitting outside and just looking at it is a major activity.

Not sure what I'll do today, probably work on a major paper since my leg seems like it's a bit cranky. I really won't know for another hour. I always have inflammation in the morning, so every day is a mystery of "hmm...I wonder what I can do today?"

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« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2023, 08:16:57 AM »
Im too busy to worry about structure.

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Re: FIREds: Do you structure your lives?
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2023, 09:58:43 AM »
Not FIRE'd, but I find that when I'm procrastinating is when I am the most productive.  That was what killed my productivity during the Pandemic, I finally had all the time in the world to do all the things...  then figured out that I never really wanted to do most of them.  I've had to build back up that Great Wall of stuff I'd just love to do but don't quite have the time for... 

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« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2023, 11:59:20 AM »
Some of my days have structure and some don’t. I still see clients about once or twice a month and sit on both the hoa board and a community board. I walk my dogs daily and also have regular days I get together with friends. I have been retired 11 years.

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Re: FIREds: Do you structure your lives?
« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2023, 03:27:45 PM »
As somebody who is hoping to pull the plug next year, I'm finding this thread fascinating.  DW and I have spent time talking about how we picture our retirement life and it is really interesting to see the different themes coming out on this discussion.  Not shockingly, different people trend to different styles, but it is interesting to read how people think about them.  Should provide for a good seed for discussion the next time we chat about this.

One thing that I saw was several people talking about volunteering and it seemed like that tended towards being a job (maybe not time wise, but schedule and commitment wise).  Is that just the nature of the beast, or something where "I've got all this time!" led to over commitment, or something else?


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« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2023, 05:50:08 PM »
As somebody who is hoping to pull the plug next year, I'm finding this thread fascinating.  DW and I have spent time talking about how we picture our retirement life and it is really interesting to see the different themes coming out on this discussion.  Not shockingly, different people trend to different styles, but it is interesting to read how people think about them.  Should provide for a good seed for discussion the next time we chat about this.

One thing that I saw was several people talking about volunteering and it seemed like that tended towards being a job (maybe not time wise, but schedule and commitment wise).  Is that just the nature of the beast, or something where "I've got all this time!" led to over commitment, or something else?
Virtually all of my volunteering things happen on my schedule. That's what I love about them. One of my boards meets quarterly, another only runs eight months out of the year, etc. The actual hands-on volunteer things I do are pretty flexible as well. Suits me. I'm not going to promise anyone, anywhere that I'll be available on Tuesdays from 9-12, for example.

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« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2023, 07:02:36 PM »
I thought about volunteering when I first retired. But as I think about getting ready, commuting and mentally preparing for the day, the more I realize that this sounds like work and volunteering no longer has an appeal.  Every time I look at my calendar and see that most of it is empty except for travel dates, personal events and void of work obligations, there's a sense of joy and relief within me.

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« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2023, 04:16:18 AM »
I thought about volunteering when I first retired. But as I think about getting ready, commuting and mentally preparing for the day, the more I realize that this sounds like work and volunteering no longer has an appeal.  Every time I look at my calendar and see that most of it is empty except for travel dates, personal events and void of work obligations, there's a sense of joy and relief within me.

Fair, but volunteering is a massive concept that includes an enormous range of activities, not just working for an organization, essentially doing an unpaid job.

I'm not saying you need to volunteer, just that it can look like just about anything, A bunch of local ladies here make quilts for charity auctions.

Volunteering means doing something of value for others without demanding compensation. That's it.

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« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2023, 05:22:05 AM »
I thought about volunteering when I first retired. But as I think about getting ready, commuting and mentally preparing for the day, the more I realize that this sounds like work and volunteering no longer has an appeal.  Every time I look at my calendar and see that most of it is empty except for travel dates, personal events and void of work obligations, there's a sense of joy and relief within me.

Fair, but volunteering is a massive concept that includes an enormous range of activities, not just working for an organization, essentially doing an unpaid job.

I'm not saying you need to volunteer, just that it can look like just about anything, A bunch of local ladies here make quilts for charity auctions.

Volunteering means doing something of value for others without demanding compensation. That's it.

Just to show some more examples of how volunteering can be fun and enjoyable - in the past I have volunteered at a women's shelter for domestic abuse, cleaning up highways, and cleaning up rivers.

All of these were very easy volunteering activities, with no real commitments (they have volunteering days and you just pick day), and they all involve doing outside work which I enjoy doing anyway.

At the women's shelter I just did landscaping. Raking leaves, cutting limbs, pruning bushes, cleaning up trash, etc. Not hard work at all. Interestingly, most of the volunteers were women, and I met some awesome and interesting new ladies there. We also briefly talked with some of the domestic abuse victims, which was extremely eye opening. You would not believe the kinds of abuse against women which is still going on today, in 2023. It is wild and very eye opening.

The highway cleanup is just walking down the highway with a picker and trash bag with several other people. These are usually more of a mixture of men and women, but again, always awesome people. I enjoy hiking, being outside, and meeting new people anyway. Normally everyone will want to grab lunch afterwards, exchange numbers, we get free t shirts, etc.

The river cleanup is just going down the river in a canoe, on a late summer/early fall day usually, with a trash picker and a tire puller (a long iron rod with a hook on the end to pull tires out of the river). You hunt for tires in the river, and periodically stop on shore to pick up trash along the shore line. We also got free lunch, free t shirts, etc. I just think of this as a sort of hide and seek game, where the tires are hiding at the bottom of the river and you are trying to find them.

I mean - this is basically a free, several hour long canoe trip, where you meet random new people then go canoeing with them. There were more women than men here also, we got free t shirts, everyone generally heads out for food afterwards, etc.

Volunteering is actually a very fun way to meet awesome new people, because people who volunteer tend to be more awesome than the average person anyway, imo. They tend to be outgoing, smart, social, physically active, compassionate, and selfless. In short: My kinds of people.

Volunteering does not have to be like work at all. It can be fun, active, social, enjoyable, flexible, and you can engage in it as much or as little as you want, doing activities you enjoy doing anyway.

I'm not sure why there are more women volunteering than men, at least in my limited experience. That point has always puzzled me.

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« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2023, 08:24:51 AM »
I’ve volunteered before at an animal rescue, make-a-wish, habitat for humanity etc so I do know how volunteering can be fulfilling and worthwhile. But at this time I just want to drift aimlessly and leisurely in life without any demands on my time.



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« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2023, 09:21:00 AM »
I said that I haven't taken on volunteer work, but I should mention that I did volunteer for a shift as a farmhand at an urban farm near me.

That was fun, not too strenuous, and most important, it was a one-time commitment. I can go back any time, but only if I want to. I could see myself doing more volunteer projects like this (cleaning up litter might be fulfilling), as long as I can make my own hours. It's the idea of committing myself to a fixed schedule that I'm not too keen on.

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« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2023, 11:07:26 AM »
I’ve volunteered before at an animal rescue, make-a-wish, habitat for humanity etc so I do know how volunteering can be fulfilling and worthwhile. But at this time I just want to drift aimlessly and leisurely in life without any demands on my time.

Oh I totally get that, it took me some time after I retired to transition from seeing things as demands on my time vs things that fill my time.

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« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2023, 12:21:22 PM »
Oh I totally get that, it took me some time after I retired to transition from seeing things as demands on my time vs things that fill my time.

That seems like a simple statement that is probably pretty significant.

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« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2023, 01:10:30 PM »
Oh I totally get that, it took me some time after I retired to transition from seeing things as demands on my time vs things that fill my time.

That seems like a simple statement that is probably pretty significant.

It was indeed a massive paradigm shift. I remember saying to my therapist "I have a fucked up relationship with time" because I was always in a rush to get things done so that I could...what?

Everything used to feel like a task that needed to be done, now the joy is in the doing.

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« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2023, 04:37:55 PM »
Also, don't confuse having structure and commitments with being busy and over booked.  Those things are not the same thing. 

Maybe times having structure keeps one from over promising or overbooking ones self. 

Planning to cook and eat dinner with husband every night then go for our evening stroll is a structured commitment, but I certainly wouldn't consider it being busy or overbooking myself.  It is one of the true joys of life.

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« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2023, 04:48:20 AM »
I thought about volunteering when I first retired. But as I think about getting ready, commuting and mentally preparing for the day, the more I realize that this sounds like work and volunteering no longer has an appeal.  Every time I look at my calendar and see that most of it is empty except for travel dates, personal events and void of work obligations, there's a sense of joy and relief within me.

Fair, but volunteering is a massive concept that includes an enormous range of activities, not just working for an organization, essentially doing an unpaid job.

I'm not saying you need to volunteer, just that it can look like just about anything, A bunch of local ladies here make quilts for charity auctions.

Volunteering means doing something of value for others without demanding compensation. That's it.

Just to show some more examples of how volunteering can be fun and enjoyable - in the past I have volunteered at a women's shelter for domestic abuse, cleaning up highways, and cleaning up rivers.

All of these were very easy volunteering activities, with no real commitments (they have volunteering days and you just pick day), and they all involve doing outside work which I enjoy doing anyway.

At the women's shelter I just did landscaping. Raking leaves, cutting limbs, pruning bushes, cleaning up trash, etc. Not hard work at all. Interestingly, most of the volunteers were women, and I met some awesome and interesting new ladies there. We also briefly talked with some of the domestic abuse victims, which was extremely eye opening. You would not believe the kinds of abuse against women which is still going on today, in 2023. It is wild and very eye opening.

The highway cleanup is just walking down the highway with a picker and trash bag with several other people. These are usually more of a mixture of men and women, but again, always awesome people. I enjoy hiking, being outside, and meeting new people anyway. Normally everyone will want to grab lunch afterwards, exchange numbers, we get free t shirts, etc.

The river cleanup is just going down the river in a canoe, on a late summer/early fall day usually, with a trash picker and a tire puller (a long iron rod with a hook on the end to pull tires out of the river). You hunt for tires in the river, and periodically stop on shore to pick up trash along the shore line. We also got free lunch, free t shirts, etc. I just think of this as a sort of hide and seek game, where the tires are hiding at the bottom of the river and you are trying to find them.

I mean - this is baseically a free, several hour long canoe trip, where you meet random new people then go canoeing with them. There were more women than men here also, we got free t shirts, everyone generally heads out for food afterwards, etc.

Volunteering is actually a very fun way to meet awesome new people, because people who volunteer tend to be more awesome than the average person anyway, imo. They tend to be outgoing, smart, social, physically active, compassionate, and selfless. In short: My kinds of people.

Volunteering does not have to be like work at all. It can be fun, active, social, enjoyable, flexible, and you can engage in it as much or as little as you want, doing activities you enjoy doing anyway.

I'm not sure why there are more women volunteering than men, at least in my limited experience. That point has always puzzled me.

Inspiring!   I have always found volunteering to be like your description above.

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« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2023, 08:33:49 PM »
No structure here. I've tried a couple times to stick to a schedule for things like the gym and I inevitably fail at keeping it. Spontaneity is a big part of what makes me happy so I try to make sure I can act on those whims whenever possible. FIRE is the ultimate tool for this.

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Re: FIREds: Do you structure your lives?
« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2023, 04:52:11 AM »
I prefer less structure, although its probably because I'm in the first year of decompression so still in the 'I just wanna chill and not think about things stage'.

My wife however NEEDS to have structure and know what is coming up. It's in her DNA. We're all different and luckily we manage to find a middle ground of doing stuff vs doing nothing lol!

Ditto. I take time to reflect every now and then, and think about whether I should be more scheduled…. Then remember that doesn’t suit my ‘all or nothing’ personality at all! Which must drive my wife nuts…