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DaTrill

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Re: Long Angle HNW Forum
« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2022, 02:23:38 PM »
I am in a similar boat and made a five-figure mistake on a six-figure gain. Happy to have the gain but would rather minimize the 'mistakes' in the future.  I'm in "No-man's-land" as far as managing capital.  Have enough to make large mistakes, but not enough to hire someone and make it worth the 1%+ management fees.  I'd estimate one needs about $100 mil to pay for good services, between $20-$100 mil is probably break-even, under $20 mil you are just paying for hand holding and not worth it for any good family office to take on.  Discussion of tax strategies in the do it yourself is what I am looking for.         

HF have extremely flexible fee structures where there are all kinds of side deals and fee structures for different levels of customers.  FOMO is probably significant as one only sees the big gains, but most low-level accredited investors lose in these structures.  Whatever you can imagine happens with HF structures as the assumption is the investor is accredited and can read the prospectus like an attorney and understand all the nuances.  It's beyond my skillset and don't like reading legal briefs designed to confuse.         

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Re: Long Angle HNW Forum
« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2022, 07:54:17 AM »
@seattlecyclone Thanks for creating this thread, which lead me to joining Long Angle. 

In my years on MMM I never explored hedge funds on my own.  On Long Angle, a group of investors seek out, question, and invest together - all optional, there's no pressure to join.  But I find group due diligence better and easier than what I could do on my own, which is why I've put 1/7th of my NW in those deals.  Here's the sample deal summary they show on the Long Angle website:
https://longangle.com/index.html#dealflow

I got permission from the people who run Long Angle to share two details of the most recent Venture Capital deal I invested in:
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Performance fee varies from 10% to 30% depending on performance
Returns of 25%/year or greater for roughly 5 years.

"25%/year or greater" meaning a range was provided and I only asked permission to share the lower end of the range: the "or greater" is my wording, not anyone else's.  Note if you run the math, 25%/year for 5 years triples an investment, so calling this a 3x or greater return would also be fair.

Hedge funds charge 20% of performance, but this one charges a sliding scale from 10-30%.  If they underperform, they get underpaid.  I like the incentives to be aligned like this, with additional incentive for additional performance.  As an added bonus, weak performers would rather be paid the standard 20% than risk taking only 10%, so adopting this approach is too risky for them.

As others might be guessing, U.S. law limits who can invest in hedge funds.  I think that's part of why Long Angle limits members to those with 2.2M+ (which I'm assuming goes up with inflation).  I showed a page of my Vanguard statement - without even the account number, just name, address and account value.  When I asked, I was told the information is shredded after being checked.

Finally, Long Angle is where I found out about Self Directed IRAs (SDIRA).  After reading a detailed, dry book on SDIRAs and what can go wrong, I opened one.  So money went from my Vanguard Roth IRA into a company that handles self-directed IRAs, then into the deal, and finally sent to the hedge fund.  Considering how complicated that sounds, it was far more smooth than I thought possible.

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Re: Long Angle HNW Forum
« Reply #52 on: June 30, 2022, 05:11:14 PM »
I've invested in hedge fund deals on Long Angle, and will be tracking those against the S&P 500.  I'm very curious to see if I beat the hedge fund average, and the S&P 500 in particular.

But I'm posting because I think I've figured out why Long Angle requires 2.2M in net worth to join: the SEC.  The SEC requires investors who join deals as a group, like Long Angle does, have "qualified client" net worth, which is 2.2M million according to this SEC link:
https://www.sec.gov/rules/final/2021/ia-5904-fact-sheet.pdf

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Re: Long Angle HNW Forum
« Reply #53 on: July 02, 2022, 03:58:59 PM »
I checked out the website.  I don't think this is for me.  We qualify based on assets but I'm not sure we fit the culture.
I'll stick to MMM for now.

 

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