Author Topic: I'm seeking advice on dealing with jealous neighbors post-FIRE. Suggestions?  (Read 21000 times)

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My wife and I are 38 and 39 respectively, and quit working full-time almost 2 years ago. She spent ten years making a really good living in medical research, and I was able to live within my means and save while working in retail management and by teaching ESL over-seas. We live in Asheville, NC in a tiny house we had built behind our main house, which we now rent out for profit. We also own a modest rental property 20 minutes out in the country, and are investing in a third property out-of-state where the math is more favorable. My wife spends her working time running the paperwork end of our rental enterprise, and I manage the physical upkeep of the houses. We probably spend 25-30 hours combined managing the rentals.

The issue that I am dealing with is how to deal with neighbors asking "What do you do?" Most frequently it's asked with genuine curiosity and kind intent. Sometimes, however, it seems like a challenge to our choices and an attack on our lifestyle.  Recently, the next-door neighbor passive-agressively parked in our driveway because we had parked on the street in front of their house. ( We had to clear out the driveway so a large truck could deliver plants. ) We arrived home to see the car parked there, and the neighbor standing by it. We explained why we parked where we did, and that even though it's public street parking we understand their opinion and promised not to make a habit of it. The net result is that the neighbors called us "entitled" and displayed their poor level of social functioning.

Fortunately, these neighbors seem to be in the small minority. What I really want to avoid is offending the vast majority of our hard-working and kindly neighbors. Many of them are members of our urban tribe, and we spend time together hiking, going to all the free and cheap music that makes AVL great, and having cook-outs in each others' yards. I usually answer "What do you do?" by saying that I am the super for our rentals. Sometimes I even direct the more open-minded questioners to the MMM blog. Despite this, I feel I can detect their skepticism when they see me walking my dog at 10 am with my coffee, taking off for a bike ride up to the Blue Ridge Parkway at 3 pm on a Monday, or packing my converted mini-van camper to leave for a week on a Wednesday. 

My wife and I generally try to diffuse "hater-ism" by being as kind as possible.  For instance, my wife will baby-sit the neighbor kids ( not the next-door people ) for free a few hours or so very week on average ( or incredibly cheaply, so as not to make the neighbors feel like charity cases ), and I am often available to lend labor or muscle for neighborly projects. We both actively participate with the local pro-environmental non-profit, and we are generous supporters to some of our favorite local charities.  We love our neighborhood and the vast majority of our neighbors rock!

Has anyone else dealt with jealous or even hostile neighbors? How have you approached the subject? I am tempted simply to tell everyone exactly how my wife and I were able to achieve our preferred level of mostly-retirement, about our conscious and intentional 7 year plan we enacted when we became a couple, the near decade that I cycle commuted an hour each way to work in my twenties, the time we spent apart while traveling for work, the discipline we use with our budget, etc.  I fear that that would seem like gloating.

The rumor is that we are trust-fund kids, we came from privilege, blah blah blah.  I'm aware that we started off ahead of many of our neighbors. Then again, we all live in America, in houses, with bodies that started off healthy, etc. I don't feel like I need to apologize for maximizing my life situation. Utimately, I don't care that other people are jealous of us. Frankly, I'm just a little tired of dealing with the issue.

Any thoughts? Thanks


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Not sure what the parking anecdote has to do with being retired early. Some people really just dont like it when you park in front of their house. Friends visiting my brother got a small boulder in the back window so I think you got off easy.

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The parking thing is just an example of typical neighbor friction. I mentioned it because it served as a catalyst for revealing pretty nasty and jealous behavior.

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I would just say you are both self employed managing the rentals, etc. I wouldn't go into detail. Also they can see that you are living in the tiny house and renting out the big one so that alone should say to people that you aren't rich.  since we are older then you guys it has not been a problem with our neighbors although it was with some of our friends. A few friendships did not survive. I never understand when people get mad about the parking since it is a public street.

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Exactly.

Your neighbors disliked you before you started staying home.  You just didn't have time to notice or ruminate upon it.

Don't worry though, you now have time to dislike them as cordially as they dislike you, and you seem well-prepared by disposition and temperament for the task.

Suggested training film:  No Exit  (the 1962 film starring Morgan Sterne-- if you get the 1995 movie of the same name it could send off on the wrong path altogether)

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It's not about you . . . some people are just douche bags who will do stuff like park in your driveway to make a point. I have lived in many neighborhoods and have yet to find a single neighborhood where there wasn't at least that one house where the people were determined to find fault and subtly or not-so-subtly display their annoyances at nearly all of the people living around them. Basically, if you don't do every single thing exactly they would, then they are going to act pissy. It has nothing to do with you at all, and it certainly isn't related to your working or not-working situation.

Again, it's not about you . . . neighbors like this will find a petty reason to dislike you no matter what you do. Maybe you don't park where they like you to park? Maybe you don't keep your lawn the way they like it? Or maybe you keep your lawn too well and are therefore "stuck up"? Maybe you are too friendly (aka nosy) or not friendly enough (aka stuck up) when they see you outside? The good news is that, even though there is nothing you can do to make them like you, these types of neighbors are in the minority. So, just ignore the pissy people and focus on keeping up the fun activities with the other neighbors who are awesome instead.

tl;dr it's not about you

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It's not about you . . . some people are just douche bags who will do stuff like park in your driveway to make a point. I have lived in many neighborhoods and have yet to find a single neighborhood where there wasn't at least that one house where the people were determined to find fault and subtly or not-so-subtly display their annoyances at nearly all of the people living around them. Basically, if you don't do every single thing exactly they would, then they are going to act pissy. It has nothing to do with you at all, and it certainly isn't related to your working or not-working situation.

Again, it's not about you . . . neighbors like this will find a petty reason to dislike you no matter what you do. Maybe you don't park where they like you to park? Maybe you don't keep your lawn the way they like it? Or maybe you keep your lawn too well and are therefore "stuck up"? Maybe you are too friendly (aka nosy) or not friendly enough (aka stuck up) when they see you outside? The good news is that, even though there is nothing you can do to make them like you, these types of neighbors are in the minority. So, just ignore the pissy people and focus on keeping up the fun activities with the other neighbors who are awesome instead.

tl;dr it's not about you

Good advice.    It's not about you, it's about what's sick and twisted inside them.

That said, if it's a public street you can park on it where you want (within the parking laws). 

Your driveway, however, is off limits to your neighbors, period.   

Probably best to ignore them, but if they do it again, I wouldn't put up with it.

Park behind them, take photos of their car in your driveway and the wheel-rut free yard.  Then wave and say, "Hi!" and go for a walk, leaving their car trapped in your driveway.    They can wait to drive somewhere when you move your car, but since you're self employed, it might be a week or so before you go to the grocery.   Or they can be charged with vandalizing your yard if they drive thru it.  Take them to small claims court for damages.  After all, it won't cost you any time off from work...

I'm a nice guy, but I don't put up with bullying well.   Most bullies will cave when they get real opposition.  The rest can be shot when they try to assault you.  (Or, as I'm SwordGuy by preference, run thru or cleaved in twain.)

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Just tell them you won the lottery.

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Just tell them you won the lottery.

Jeez, do that and you'll definitely have to follow through with niceguy/Swordguy's advice to set it up so you can justify (in your own moral universe anyway) shooting them down, or hacking them to pieces in the street.

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Your driveway, however, is off limits to your neighbors, period.   

Probably best to ignore them, but if they do it again, I wouldn't put up with it.

Park behind them, take photos of their car in your driveway and the wheel-rut free yard.  Then wave and say, "Hi!" and go for a walk, leaving their car trapped in your driveway.    They can wait to drive somewhere when you move your car, but since you're self employed, it might be a week or so before you go to the grocery.   Or they can be charged with vandalizing your yard if they drive thru it.  Take them to small claims court for damages.  After all, it won't cost you any time off from work...

Or put some roofing nails under their tires. Maybe you forgot to clean up thoroughly after a project and it is, after all, your driveway.

I'd go to Costco and get some cameras before you start this feud.

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I'd go to Costco and get some cameras before you start this feud.


'Cause homemade snuff films are always a huge draw on Youtube...
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Do note that I suggested shooting them only AFTER they assault the OP.  There is RATHER a difference between defending oneself from physical assault and gratuitously attacking someone...

And, as I said, it's better to ignore it.   But you should feel under no obligation to put up with bullying because that only gets worse, not better, for ignoring it.

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Do note that I suggested shooting them only AFTER they assault the OP.  There is RATHER a difference between defending oneself from physical assault and gratuitously attacking someone...

And, as I said, it's better to ignore it.   But you should feel under no obligation to put up with bullying because that only gets worse, not better, for ignoring it.

Well, to be more precise you advocated shooting or cutting them in two after "assault" but preceded by your giving them "real opposition."

When I was a state prosecutor, many years ago, we had a word for people who acted along those lines.  We called them "defendants."

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For my neighbors, I've told them all I "work from home" like Spartana.  Most of my old coworkers know because I never kept my plans a secret.  Basically, I told the people who I never have to see again if they are pricks about it.  Everyone else, none of their business really.

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Your standard answer for casual acquaintances and folks you make short connections with should be you both work from home - freelance "whatever" or something. No one really cares about the details usually and I agree with the other posters that said you don't want to get the reputation of being always available for stuff because you WILL get taken advantage of. So unless you guys really, really love the neighbors you're helping out by working on their home improvement projects or babysitting, you need to pull way back and tell them work got busy or something.

Also agree with the "why the hell do you care so much about what random neighbors think of you?" thoughts. Do you really get dozens of inquiries about your comings and goings and how you spend every hour of the workweek? Realize you're not in any way obligated to tell people more than what you like them to know. You can work from home (as a real estate investor/landlord) and have a wonderfully flexible schedule. Done.

As far as the neighbor that got offended by you parking your car in front of their house in a public street and parked in your driveway as a form of intimidation? He's an asshole. Has nothing to do with anything else. Just that he's an asshole. He'd find something else to be an asshole about if you hadn't done the parking, which you should not justify at all unless you somehow blocked his mailbox or driveway or did so to be a dick? No? Then he was 110% being an asshole. The act of aggression he pulled by parking in your driveway should definitely have been addressed with a simple back and forth that is recorded for any proof needed in the event you need to call out the cops.

"Hey, neighbor name, why are you parked in my driveway on my property?"
Neighbor blasts off with some stupid rant about you parking in the street....

"Um, you do get that when I parked curbside on the public street that it was 100% legal and allowed and was not done to hurt or otherwise inconvenience you, while what you are doing is illegal - trespassing and blocking access to my property and trying to threaten and intimidate me? I don't know why you thought this was a good idea, but maybe you need to calm down and go home?"

And if you feel really uncomfortable or unsafe, then call out a cop (non emergency number and explain it is a neighbor dispute with someone trespassing and using intimidation tactics to threaten). I would not suggest vandalizing the neighbor's car or property unless you like the idea of them doing the same to you. Get the law involved if you really and truly feel you can't resolve this on your own like two adults. If they are asshole bullies, then that's probably for the best.

And for what it's worth, I very much dislike when my neighbors park in front of my house, but it usually is because they have blocked my mailbox and I don't get mail that day, or they are parked so closely to my driveway that it is super hard to get out if I have to run an errand. But I'll also ask them nicely to shift a few feet if I see them doing that so my mail carrier can still angle in. If there is any chance that either one of those issues were possible for your asshole neighbor, you could tell them that you are sorry for that, and just laugh off the stupid aggressive parking in your driveway, because they are moron assholes to boot.

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I did have a lot of people want me to do errands for them etc which I did at first but then I gradually declined.

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Does anyone else see the humor in the rumor that the OP is a trust fund kid but yet he lives in the tiny house behind the main house on the property? OP, might be an interesting response if someone is actually so bold as to ask you that to your face. Not that you couldn't be a trust fund kid and still live in a tiny house by choice but a tiny house certainly doesn't fit the stereotype of a trust fund kid.

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To me it sounds like the driveway parker guy is just a D-bag and it doesn't have too much to do with your lack of a job or early retirement.  I'd generally avoid this individual unless there were problems.  Parking on a public street in front of someone's house occasionally is no reason for someone to trespass on your property.  Maybe kill him with kindness and see if he needs to park in your driveway more often (maybe his driveway has a booboo and he needs a better driveway?). 

I'm very fortunate to have no asshole neighbors (here in the big city of Raleigh! ;) ).  In fact I let my neighbors park in my driveway or back yard occasionally if they have a big gathering.  No cost to me and it's the neighborly thing to do (and I might need to borrow my neighbor's pick up truck one day). 

Most of my immediate neighbors that I talk to frequently are 70+ years old so totally down with the whole retirement thing (and also the ones seeing me lazing about in the middle of the day on a weekday).  Fun chats on my monthly spending reports I put on my blog, or the millionaire next door book (dude offered to lend me the book on tape - literally on a cassette tape!!!), or how to cope with a spouse and children who enjoy spending all of your hard earned money and have no money sense. 

The other neighbors I'm friendly with know that I'm early retired.  Some even found me (or my blog) through these forums. :)  No shame in it, and no point to hide it if it comes up in conversation.  Can't say I've ever encountered any outward jealousy or aggression, but then again it's a solidly middle class neighborhood with a mix of all kinds of people of different ages, backgrounds, and occupations (hairdresser, construction sales, math professor, architect, landscaper are my immediate neighbors).  Some people work for a living, others have moved beyond that and are retired, others are artists, creative types, or remote tech workers that work when they want and don't work other times but somehow avoid eviction and destitution.  I'm also an incredibly nice guy and smile a lot when I meet neighbors so that gets me a long way too.  :)

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. . . But you should feel under no obligation to put up with bullying because that only gets worse, not better, for ignoring it.

You parked in the street in front of his house, it sounds like it was a rare event and not something you did regularly, and his reaction was to block your driveway? Yes, bully, but again it's not about you.

Actually I find that bullies want attention. I agree that in school situations ignoring doesn't work because they get the attention from their bully school friends. But a neighbor bully is not likely to have a posse handy to gloat at his good bullying and give him glory. So ignore . . . and most likely, not getting any attention from anyone, he will quickly get bored with bullying you.

I also agree that using your phone to snap a quick photo when these things happen is probably a good idea just in case it escalates despite your best effort.

My Mom feuded with the next door neighbor lady for several years, and it drove home the truth in the saying that it takes two to make a fight. (Mom "won," but the whole ugliness could have been avoided.) Don't get drawn into it.

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Do note that I suggested shooting them only AFTER they assault the OP.  There is RATHER a difference between defending oneself from physical assault and gratuitously attacking someone...

And, as I said, it's better to ignore it.   But you should feel under no obligation to put up with bullying because that only gets worse, not better, for ignoring it.

Well, to be more precise you advocated shooting or cutting them in two after "assault" but preceded by your giving them "real opposition."

When I was a state prosecutor, many years ago, we had a word for people who acted along those lines.  We called them "defendants."

Real opposition was intended to mean "verbally making it clear you would not tolerate their bad behavior, calling the police on them for trespassing or threatening, etc."   Thank you for giving me the chance to clarify.

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Gosh you're neighbours sound like a bunch of real busybodies!  I wouldn't have a clue what my neighbours do a for living, or if they even work and I have no interest in finding out. We wave when we see each other, helped the kids get the car unstuck when their parents were away and occasionally bring in bins or mow a bit of lawn. I've never felt the need to ask what they do for a living and they've never asked us.

The best response I saw to the question "what do you do?"  is " About what?"  or even "Lots of things".  If people do want an answer just tell them you work from home. You don't owe any of these people an explanation.

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Despite this, I feel I can detect their skepticism when they see me walking my dog at 10 am with my coffee, taking off for a bike ride up to the Blue Ridge Parkway at 3 pm on a Monday, or packing my converted mini-van camper to leave for a week on a Wednesday.

Hmm, I'd turn the table and ask them what they do if they are always home to see you walking the dog at 10am, taking a bike ride at 3pm or leaving on a trip on Wednesday. :)

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Aside from the one bully, I wonder if the OP isn't imagining things. 

Why is there a 'rumor' that the OP is a trust funder?  Did the OP overhear people talking about him like this?   Even if true, I can't wrap my head around why one could possibly care.  What is the negative impact?  If the whole neighborhood is truly jealous, would they be any less so if they found out you didn't inherit...or might that make them even more jealous (because that might actually point out their poor choices directly)?  Are they coming for the OP with pitchforks and torches or something?

Best course for the OP is losing the insecurity. Why waste mental energy on that?

Harder situation is the dbag neighbor.  May have to make tactical efforts there if you want to dodge a potential situation. 
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My wife gets questioned all the time as a SAHM,  even though she obviously has our kid with her all the time

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OP seems to care what his neighbors think of them, because he likes some of his neighbors and would like to be involved socially in his community. We're the same way. We know and mostly like the majority of our neighbors. We enjoy going to neighborhood parties and often exchange fresh baked goods, vegetables from our garden and meat when we butcher livestock, with our neighbors. I find it hard to imagine living in a neighborhood and not getting to know all/most of my neighbors beyond just waving and maybe saying hello sometimes. Everyone's different and every neighborhood is different, though, I guess.

My wife quit working in 2009 to stay home to raise our daughter, and I just quit working last summer. Several neighbors and friends have inquired and asked if we're "okay," because they know neither of us is working now. I'm pretty open and just tell them the truth that we're living from our savings and because we don't spend very much, we're fine. Several people have asked me if I'm looking for work, and a couple of friends have sent me emails offering tips on possible jobs that I'd be qualified for. I just thank them and tell them that I'm not ready to go back to work right now...maybe some day...maybe later.

I'm interested in reading along with this thread, because it's something I think about a lot. How should I present myself and my family to new people we meet? Should I come right out and tell them we're retired and explain all about "The shocking math behind ER" and index funds and MMM? Should I be vague about how we can afford to live without working at jobs? Should we let people feel sorry for us and think we're unemployed and poor? So far, I haven't come up with one good answer, which means I usually just wing it and maybe give slightly different answers to each new person we meet. I guess that may be okay, but sometimes it seems like I'm being less than truthful. I mean, I don't outright lie, but I often omit some facts. Maybe that's okay, though?

As far as OP's run in with his next door neighbor goes, I recommend to err on the side of being really nice, like RoG said. Just smile a lot and wave and be really friendly towards your passive aggressive neighbor. Maybe take them some fresh baked cookies next time you bake some. Thankfully people like that seem to be in the minority in your neighborhood. Enjoy the neighborhood BBQs and spend more time getting to know your nice neighbors, and be friendly and nice to your nasty neighbors, but do everything possible to avoid getting involved in a feud with them. It's always better to have some good will built up with your neighbors, especially your next door neighbors, in case you ever need to do something like park in front of their house or ask them for some help in an emergency.

Even though you clearly aren't required by any law to ask your neighbors' permission to park on a public street in front of their house, maybe next time you need to do that, since it clearly bothered them, you could call them up or walk over to their house the day before and just let them know that you're going to be parking in front of their house the next day and briefly explain why, so that there aren't any misunderstandings. Most likely, if you talked to them ahead of time and explained the reason for your actions, they'd be fine with your parking in front of their house. If not, and the guy's a dick and threatens you or something, then you might want to call the police to let them know what's going on and ask for them to talk with your neighbor. That way if your neighbor were to do something stupid like throw a small boulder through the back window of your car, the police would know ahead of time who the probable perpetrator was.

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I'm in the Who The Fuck CARES What The Neighbors Think Camp. Seriously. Someone bitched about where you park ~ park in your own driveway next time, now that you know what matters most to this man, whether it makes sense or not. Don't poke the bear on this one.

I don't know what half my neighbors do or don't do for a living, and it matters not a whit. My next door neighbors have lived in their house FOR THREE YEARS and I had the vague assumption that the wife in the family was a SAHM until I happened to run into her while we were walking dogs on a recent hot morning. She was wearing scrubs - turns out she is an emergency room nurse working the 11PM to 7AM shift 4 days a week. Do I like her less or more knowing this fact? No.

OP, stop with the pearl-clutching. Live your life in your tiny house. Move into the big house if you want to live large. No one cares what the hell you do one way or another. No one's jealous, no one's tracking your every move. Enjoy where you are and don't listen to the voices in your head.

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I vote for, "I'm Mick Jagger's love child."

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Not sure what the parking anecdote has to do with being retired early. Some people really just dont like it when you park in front of their house. Friends visiting my brother got a small boulder in the back window so I think you got off easy.

WTF?  Really?  A public street and people get pissed about parking in front of their house?  That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. A small boulder in my back window for such an "offense" would trigger a nuclear response on my part, I can assure you.  WTF is wrong with people these days?

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It takes two to fight / argue.   Kill em with kindness.
Just tell them the truth, that you saved and invested very young and have quit your corporate jobs and are now self employed and work part time.  I'm guessing "how they think of you" is bothering you, much more than it is most of the neighbors.

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Has anyone else dealt with jealous or even hostile neighbors? How have you approached the subject? I am tempted simply to tell everyone exactly how my wife and I were able to achieve our preferred level of mostly-retirement, about our conscious and intentional 7 year plan we enacted when we became a couple, the near decade that I cycle commuted an hour each way to work in my twenties, the time we spent apart while traveling for work, the discipline we use with our budget, etc.  I fear that that would seem like gloating.

This will fall on deaf ears.  People who are judgemental about the lifestyles of others have made up their mind and no matter how reasonably or factually you lay out your life story it will go in one ear and right out the other.  Alternately you will say some little nugget that jives with their view of the world and they will latch on to that as evidence that all the other stuff they assume about you is now "proven" to be true.  e.g. "Yes my parents paid for my books in college."  - In their minds - "AH HA!! I knew their parents gave them a whole bunch of money!"

Just look at all the extreme detail Mr. Money Mustache has described about his lifestyle, history, and family finances and I'm sure he still, daily, has naysayers who don't believe early retirement is possible without being a trust fund kid.


I don't feel like I need to apologize for maximizing my life situation. Utimately, I don't care that other people are jealous of us. Frankly, I'm just a little tired of dealing with the issue.

Any thoughts? Thanks

You don't need to apologize to anyone for how you choose to live your life as long as you are obeying the law and aren't harming anyone.  My advice to you is to either ignore these annoying neighbors next time they bring it up (perhaps treat them to a cold shoulder and they'll take the hint that you don't find their "teasing" funny anymore) or look them in the eye and say quite directly "We will no longer be discussing our financial situation nor our lifestyle choices with you anymore.  Period." and walk away.  Yes it'll be tense but from the tone of your message it makes me think you are at your wits end and it may be time to stop being such a Mr. Nice Guy.

We too have neighbor troubles but it has nothing to do with our finances.  We are not friendly with them and have never had a conversation which brought up the topic.  My issue with them is their 3 dogs that they keep outside 24/7 and they bark starting at about 6am.  Sadly, after many many olive branches extended to these neighbors in an attempt to come up with an reasonable solution to the problem we have given up.  We relocated our bedroom to the other side of the house and I wear ear plugs.  I also have a eye on the real estate market and move is not out of the question.

Sorry I don't have better news for you.

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  Had horrible neighbors at one time. Genuine asshats that were just nasty, mean and bitter people. He was a minister who was very offended when I asked him would Jesus be an assH%^&E to their neighbors? So, we bought a nice place in the sticks and rented our former house to a nice mixed race couple. (He was from the hills of Tn and used the N word like others would say fat or thin) .Other than the fact that he calls the city for the smallest thing,which in our state we can pretty much ignore as house is in an LLC owned by another corporation, we could not be happier with the arrangement.  Our new neighbors are goats and they rarely cause problems. Living well is the best revenge. I vote for Mick Jagger's love child also. That is awesome!

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Has anyone else dealt with jealous or even hostile neighbors? How have you approached the subject? I am tempted simply to tell everyone exactly how my wife and I were able to achieve our preferred level of mostly-retirement, about our conscious and intentional 7 year plan we enacted when we became a couple, the near decade that I cycle commuted an hour each way to work in my twenties, the time we spent apart while traveling for work, the discipline we use with our budget, etc.  I fear that that would seem like gloating.

This will fall on deaf ears.  People who are judgemental about the lifestyles of others have made up their mind and no matter how reasonably or factually you lay out your life story it will go in one ear and right out the other.  Alternately you will say some little nugget that jives with their view of the world and they will latch on to that as evidence that all the other stuff they assume about you is now "proven" to be true.  e.g. "Yes my parents paid for my books in college."  - In their minds - "AH HA!! I knew their parents gave them a whole bunch of money!"

Just look at all the extreme detail Mr. Money Mustache has described about his lifestyle, history, and family finances and I'm sure he still, daily, has naysayers who don't believe early retirement is possible without being a trust fund kid.


I don't feel like I need to apologize for maximizing my life situation. Utimately, I don't care that other people are jealous of us. Frankly, I'm just a little tired of dealing with the issue.

Any thoughts? Thanks

You don't need to apologize to anyone for how you choose to live your life as long as you are obeying the law and aren't harming anyone.  My advice to you is to either ignore these annoying neighbors next time they bring it up (perhaps treat them to a cold shoulder and they'll take the hint that you don't find their "teasing" funny anymore) or look them in the eye and say quite directly "We will no longer be discussing our financial situation nor our lifestyle choices with you anymore.  Period." and walk away.  Yes it'll be tense but from the tone of your message it makes me think you are at your wits end and it may be time to stop being such a Mr. Nice Guy.

And you might add, "if you want to discuss financial situations, let me start with picking apart you how have handled your life's income and what you should have done so you could live like me." 
 Remember they are the ones that mishandled their life's income. At least to us Mustachians.
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People ask me what I do, and I just say "as little as possible".

Honestly, they really don't care.

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You come off a bit paranoid about your status. Perhaps you are reading too much into people's actions. Some people are just asshats.

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Regarding what to tell people - why not use "I'm a consultant" - its a real type of gig- with a huge range of actual types of work, it explains random travel and random schedules - and most readers here will do some "consultant" type work whether  paid or not at some point- so more or less true.  I use it even now since it is often easier than explaining my actual gig.

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Just tell them the truth: you and your wife are property managers, so you work odd hours.

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I'm a big fan of stealth wealth.  We don't tell anyone that we have money.  We avoid being a target.   We've been sued by people before (more about this on my blog), and want to avoid this further.

If people know you have money, they'll try to take it from you.  Or mess your stuff up.  Or refuse to pay you when they owe you money ("you don't need it!").

So, we just avoid the problem.  If people ask what I do, I have a ton of answers...

"I'm  a stay-at-home Dad."
"I'm between jobs."
"I'm taking a sabbatical."
"I'm changing careers, and still trying to find the right position."

and so on!  None of this are distinctly false, they are all true (to some extent)...but they don't give away the entire picture.  If people ask what we do for money I usually just say "Oh, we have some savings that we live off of."

After that, I don't usually get any further questions.  We're not flashy.  I don't show off my millions.  The neighbors probably think I'm very poor, and I don't try to dissuade them of that notion.

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I'm a big fan of stealth wealth.  We don't tell anyone that we have money.  We avoid being a target.   We've been sued by people before (more about this on my blog), and want to avoid this further.

If people know you have money, they'll try to take it from you.  Or mess your stuff up.  Or refuse to pay you when they owe you money ("you don't need it!").

So, we just avoid the problem.  If people ask what I do, I have a ton of answers...

"I'm  a stay-at-home Dad."
"I'm between jobs."
"I'm taking a sabbatical."
"I'm changing careers, and still trying to find the right position."

and so on!  None of this are distinctly false, they are all true (to some extent)...but they don't give away the entire picture.  If people ask what we do for money I usually just say "Oh, we have some savings that we live off of."

After that, I don't usually get any further questions.  We're not flashy.  I don't show off my millions.  The neighbors probably think I'm very poor, and I don't try to dissuade them of that notion.

^^ There's a lot of wisdom above. I tend to be too honest and willing to over explain to people. Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut. In the future, I'm going to try to keep Mr. Tako's advice in mind. :)

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I wish I had neighbors like you on my street.  A little free or cheap babysitting.  It is hard to find expensive reliable babysitters for an evening out.  I would also like to have someone to talk to about my goals for early retirement.  I find that I can't talk about my goals to anyone in person.  They either think it is too extreme or that I make too much and that is why I can work on something like this.

I tend to be honest with my answers and just stop talking once they appear disinterested. ... "How about this weather?"

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Okay, I have zipped through all the comments above, and I think I might have a glimmer of an answer. If I may say this as kindly and gently as I can...

You need to shut the fuck up!!!! Stop talking about this shit with your neighbors!!!

Your employment or apparent lack thereof is none of their dogdamn business.

If I may, it seems in re-reading your initial post that you are particularly proud of your accomplishment and you want others to know about it. Since you are a complete outlier compared to most of America, especially the sub-65 crowd, you KNOW that what you have done is damn hard to do. If you need someone to pat you on the back for it, may I please suggest you start hosting meet-ups? Get your yippee-skippies from like-minded individuals, not your neighbors. Besides, I have it on good authority that mustachian yippee-skippies are worth more. At least double.

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I wouldn't apologize for where you are (e.g., by trying to be overly nice etc as you stated), nor would I bad mouth the crummy neighbors to other neighbors. Not that you said you were going to, but I'd be careful of even discussing that as it usually backfires. Take the high road and wait it out, it'll settle for the better eventually.

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I agree with Diane C.. Live a private life if you want to be left alone. You might not be friends with all your neighbors but someone you are friends might be. Leave out the details and keep it simple. My wife and I take care of rentals. If you feel the need to brag and or do that outside of that circle.  As far as the ass-hat the complained about your parking thats a separate matter that it seems your reading into. I agree to take the high road a few times and see what happens. Enjoy you success but don;t rub it into others faces whether intention or not.