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How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« on: April 01, 2017, 09:24:26 PM »
The biggest benefit that we've enjoyed since pulling the plug is probably lower (income) taxes. Our average tax rate for 2016 is around 16%, a very nice reduction from ~30% back when we were both working.

Then I read "Never Pay Taxes Again" on gocurrycraker and started salivating about how easy it is for post-fire Americans to pay almost no taxes. Mostly because of the long term capital gains rule, and some deduction rules that are not available to Canadians.

Also, we Canadians need to rely on foreign equities to diversify our holdings, which brings us foreign income (foreign dividends) that are taxed at full marginal rates once our basic personal amount is used up ($11,474 CAD per person).

Any non-trivial* ideas to reduce our average tax rate further? Say, < 10%?

*Holding the securities indefinitely to delay the tax bill is considered a trivial answer, and not that useful. Same with eligible dividends, which messes with diversification.

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Re: How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2017, 11:26:32 PM »
You need an ineffective company that is actively helping you reduce your expenses. It's always losing money, while reducing your fixed costs. Your car becomes 50% company car, same thing for gas, and housing. If your company has a portion that includes "reviews" you can also write off a lot of other things.

But that level of tax avoidance is not for me so I'll let you read up on how to "cheat" the government by doing so.

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Re: How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2017, 01:56:38 AM »
Can you increase your tax credits at all?
Dependent parent or sibling, per a disability? (Not sure if that's even a thing, tax-wise.)
A disability in self or child?
Home office for your post-FIRE side gig?
Charitable contributions instead of taxes?

A lot of people miss out on tax credits they are eligible for.

I paid $2k in taxes this year, second or third time ever, and I was so happy to contribute :)
But, easy for me to say, because: second or third time ever, and I've received so much!

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Re: How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2017, 01:02:52 PM »
Thanks for the tax credits/deduction suggestion. We can not claim eligible dependent amount (Line 305), it appears you must be either divorced or separated to claim this amount.

We might be eligible for Line 306/315 which has a max deduction of roughly 6.8k, but I am unsure if it results in net tax savings for us and the dependent. Not to mention that we did not live with the "dependent" in 2016 nor do we plan to.

Same with Line 318 regarding the dependent. And no, we do not have disability credits ourselves and we have no children.



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Re: How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2017, 05:30:28 PM »

Also, we Canadians need to rely on foreign equities to diversify our holdings, which brings us foreign income (foreign dividends) that are taxed at full marginal rates once our basic personal amount is used up ($11,474 CAD per person).

Any non-trivial* ideas to reduce our average tax rate further? Say, < 10%?

*Holding the securities indefinitely to delay the tax bill is considered a trivial answer, and not that useful. Same with eligible dividends, which messes with diversification.

Here's the thing: if you want to be under 10% year-after-year, with a nice income that you can live on and do some fun things with, you need to seriously reconsider your policy on dividends. I think it's a big mistake to dismiss them in service of 'diversity' in your portfolio. In BC, where I live, you can earn up to $50,000 completely tax free each year, so long as it is all eligible dividends. Not all provinces are the same (anyone can check easily for your province by looking up the Simple Tax Calculator online).

The point of diversification is to reduce the risk of underperformance of a single security, industry, or country.
During the market collapse of '07-08, global 'diversity' in portfolio didn't give much protection. Everything fell, and in fact, that was a product of the very high degree of 'diversification' and investing out. The countries who didn't have huge housing bubbles were exposed anyway because of massive investment in financial instruments from countries who did. Diversification can offer some growth opportunities, but as far as protection goes, I think it's a non-starter.

When countries had more insular financial systems, diversification offered more real protection; now, all financial calamities are contagious.

Personally, I am building an investment portfolio of industry-diversified Cdn eligible dividends, with US non-eligible div stocks in my RRSP, and Canadian trust (these are the .UN stocks; they pay dividends, but they aren't eligible and the tax treatment is more complex) in my TFSA, along with more Cdn eligible div stocks.
Because of tax treaty rules with the US, US dividends are not withheld or taxed in an RRSP, which they are in a TFSA or regular investment account. This is why everyone, including very low income people, should use an RRSP. You will want some US stocks to be properly industry diversified, and it's the only way to hold them without having your dividends withheld at 30%.

Otherwise, your legal and honest options for tax reduction are quite limited, unless your income is very low to start with.

Other options that provide good tax breaks but investment risk include private-placement flow throughs (the investor buys new issued shares from an exploration company that agrees to let the exploration tax break "flow-through" to the investor) or a venture capital fund like the Working Opportunity Fund (this was a BC-based fund with a good tax break, but the return was shit and I didn't do it twice).

With flow-through, you get a good tax break, but will pay capital gains on the shares later at the amount you invested, even if they drop in value. To do this, you need a broker, or you may be able to do it directly with the company. If you see a junior oil & gas or mining company you like, you can call their investor relations dept and say you're interested in future placements. They will have a minimum, and it will probably be at least 5K.
Many companies do PP without the flow-through, so be clear on which it is before you commit.

BTW, Creating your own unprofitable small business to write off 'losses'  and reduce your taxes is a pretty bad idea. After 3 years of losses, Rev Can becomes very much more interested in your activities, because they are looking for people who are doing exactly that. It's quite a useful strategy if you're planning to operate a legitimate small business after retirement, on which you are earning some net income and paying some (reduced) taxes.


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Re: How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2017, 02:07:32 AM »
After a few years, that's when you close up shop and try something else. They can be as interested as they want, if it's all true, nothing they can do about it. (There's a limit of time for unproductive companies after a few years in Quebec, never looked into the small details)

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Re: How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2017, 02:16:49 PM »
Hi Missy, thank you for the reply.

I agree with you that when correlation spikes as the broad markets panic, diversifications don't do much, as can be seen recently in Jan 2016 and immediately after Brexit in Jun 2016 (other than bonds). But as you said, diversifications do offer growth, especially when the TSX fumble around (such as today, or q1 2017, or 2014-2015). In fact, a portfolio focusing solely on TSX dividend paying stocks has likely done quite poorly compared to a fully diversified portfolio (USA, CDN, EAFE) on a total return basis net of taxes for the last decade, especially during the current bull market. Personally I focus more on net asset accumulation over income via eligible dividend.

That being said, here in Alberta, we could get $100,000 per person in eligible dividend while paying around 6% in taxes.  I suppose we could form a company that pays out eligible dividend to us down the road, but I would need to consult with some professionals. I have been hoping to avoid this and simply utilize deductions available to most Canadians since I see this option as being complicated, costly, and somewhat unethical.

RRSPs are of little benefits to us unfortunately; as things stand, our "base" income (mostly due to foreign dividend income) is more than our basic personal amounts, any withdrawals from RRSP would be taxed at full marginal rate, which is higher than cap gains.

I welcome further comments and suggestions.

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Re: How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2017, 04:01:29 PM »
Just a reminder for the US-CDN tax treaty to work for you in your RRSP you have to hold US stocks directly not via a Canadian based wrapper. So VTI doesn't get dinged for withholding taxes by the IRS if held in a RRSP, but VUN or VXC would.

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Re: How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2017, 04:59:18 PM »
I suppose we could form a company that pays out eligible dividend to us down the road, but I would need to consult with some professionals. I have been hoping to avoid this and simply utilize deductions available to most Canadians...

Let me tell you what I know about this, cause I don't think it will be a viable option for you either.
There are different tax rates for different things in a corporation. Earned income from business operations under $500K yearly is charged at the 'small business rate' which is much lower than the regular rate. This type of income does not include capital gains, dividends, or rental income which are charged at  higher rates.
You can let the eligible dividends that the corporation receives from its stock holdings flow through to you from the corporation, and you will pay the same tax that you would if you held them personally. BUT, when you trade stock holdings inside a corp, the profits will get taxed higher than they would in your own hands. Unless your yearly capital gains are really up there.

As a note about corporations and dividends which I don't think would apply to the OP but is useful to mention here:
In terms of income from the corporations operations, the corporation may pay shareholders either eligible or ineligible dividends, depending on the tax bracket. On after-tax income up to $500k, the corporation may pay ineligible dividends to shareholders. On after-tax income in the over $500K tax bracket, it can pay eligible dividends. 

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Re: How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2017, 06:05:09 PM »
Do you have any non-deductible debt such as a mortgage. You can do a series to transactions to make the interest deductible. Let me know if this applies to you and you want more details.

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Re: How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2017, 10:01:52 PM »
Hi Missy, I agree with your analysis regarding the tax situation for corp income, ie, ~25% tax rate on cap gains. However, I know some corps whose income are deemed to be "active business income" even though the sources of income are from trading forex. Granted it's not the same as investing per se, the line does not appear to be black and white so to speak.

And no, we do not carry a mortgage, nor debt of any kind.

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Re: How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2017, 02:06:42 PM »
The only option I can really think of is taking out an investment loan or margin loan. The interest is fully tax deductible at your marginal rates while the income (potentially Canadian dividends) can be taxed a very low rates. Done right you can knock quite a few points off your tax rate.

Typically the best loan options are to take a HELOC against your house (you can borrow up to 65% of your equity), or a margin loan at a discount broker. RBC Direct (Royal Circle) and Interactive Brokers offer the lowest interest rates. If you go the margin route, make sure you don't max out your margin and put yourself at risk of margin calls.

If you're worried about diversification and global exposure, you basically have to invest in low-dividend Canadian individual stocks like FFH, BAM-A, CSU, OTEX, ATD-B, and STN.

I wish I had a better answer anistrophy, but we're simply not as lucky as our friends down south.

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Re: How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2017, 03:59:09 PM »
Thanks Moose. I wasn't able to find any good alternatives. Perhaps we will use more of these swap products to reduce foreign incomes and perform annual/bi-annual cap gain harvest to keep our long-term average tax rate below 10% of our taxable income.


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Re: How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2017, 08:22:16 PM »
Excellent, redwagon!

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Re: How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2017, 11:18:09 PM »
Saw this today - http://www.financialpost.com/m/wp/news/blog.html?b=business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/you-can-earn-50k-in-tax-free-dividends-but-theres-a-catch-you-cant-have-a-job&pubdate=2017-04-15

My problem is I have a large RRSP and a modest Non-Reg account and modest TFSA. To make this ^^^ strategy work you'd have to have the majority of your retirement savings in a Non-Reg account and TFSA.

With a large RRSP you can either start drawing it down early to level your income or you'll get nailed with high taxes on large mandatory withdrawals at 71 as you start being forced to pull money out of registered accounts and you get CPP/OAS.

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Re: How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2017, 08:13:46 PM »
Saw this today - http://www.financialpost.com/m/wp/news/blog.html?b=business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/you-can-earn-50k-in-tax-free-dividends-but-theres-a-catch-you-cant-have-a-job&pubdate=2017-04-15

My problem is I have a large RRSP and a modest Non-Reg account and modest TFSA. To make this ^^^ strategy work you'd have to have the majority of your retirement savings in a Non-Reg account and TFSA.

With a large RRSP you can either start drawing it down early to level your income or you'll get nailed with high taxes on large mandatory withdrawals at 71 as you start being forced to pull money out of registered accounts and you get CPP/OAS.

You could consider a RRSP freeze. More information: http://www.globeinvestor.com/resources/personalfinance/rrsp/wxrspcestjn24.html

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Re: How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2017, 09:16:35 PM »
You could consider a RRSP freeze. More information: http://www.globeinvestor.com/resources/personalfinance/rrsp/wxrspcestjn24.html

My RRSP poses no problem to me for FIRE beyond the fact that I couldn't follow the tax free/low dividend strategy discussed in this thread.  It's clear to me that I would be ahead had I avoid the RRSP and invested in my Non-Reg account to make this dividend strategy work. I don't have enough $$ to do both. Investing with after-tax dollars at income levels of $100K+/yr and a FIRE budget of ~$46K/yr. The tax benefits of the RRSP are considerable at this income differential, but I have not run the numbers to be sure since I can't go back in time anyways.

I'll be FIREing ~50yrs old -0/+2yrs. So that gives me around 20yrs to spend my RRSP down such that my income over time is leveled and my taxes optimized given my current starting point.

2017 will be my last high earning year with an income north of $150K. I'll use whatever RRSP room I have to lower my tax bill.

2018-2020 I'll be downshifted earning around my FIRE budget of $46K/yr. If I make any extra or I don't need to spend the full $46K I'll fund my TFSA and then my Non-Reg account. I won't continue to fund the RRSP. That said the annual additions will be small or zero.

Come FIRE I'll pull my spending money exclusively from my RRSP until my projections through to 71yrs old [including CPP + OAS] have leveled at which point I'll figure out the optimal blend of income streams from RRSP, TFSA and Non-reg to keep taxes low.

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Re: How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2017, 03:06:40 PM »
One More Reason to be Glad I'm Canadian

Not directly related to the OP's concerns, but I just learned what the differences are between a TFSA and the US equivalent - the Roth IRA. And I got kinda excited.

Sometimes it seems like the Yanks get all the good stuff. Fantastic Credit card churning promo bonuses, bank account promo bonuses, selling tradelines... stuff we either can't do, or just doesn't have the big payoff if we can. And there's probably more things.

But today, after years of not learning what a Roth IRA is or the rules for it cause it doesn't apply to Canadian me, I learned this: the TFSA kicks the Roth IRA's ass. Especially if you want to retire early.

With the TFSA, the contribution room  carries forward indefinitely. Roth IRA doesn't. 

TFSA you can take out anytime, as much as you want, no issue, doesn't matter how old you are, then put it all back in again the next year if you want. Roth IRA, not really. There's rules about not taking money out until you're 59.
And if you make too much money, they claw back your contribution room... unlike the TFSA, which is always the same for everyone.


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Re: How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2017, 03:25:54 PM »
One More Reason to be Glad I'm Canadian

Not directly related to the OP's concerns, but I just learned what the differences are between a TFSA and the US equivalent - the Roth IRA. And I got kinda excited.

Sometimes it seems like the Yanks get all the good stuff. Fantastic Credit card churning promo bonuses, bank account promo bonuses, selling tradelines... stuff we either can't do, or just doesn't have the big payoff if we can. And there's probably more things.

But today, after years of not learning what a Roth IRA is or the rules for it cause it doesn't apply to Canadian me, I learned this: the TFSA kicks the Roth IRA's ass. Especially if you want to retire early.

With the TFSA, the contribution room  carries forward indefinitely. Roth IRA doesn't. 

TFSA you can take out anytime, as much as you want, no issue, doesn't matter how old you are, then put it all back in again the next year if you want. Roth IRA, not really. There's rules about not taking money out until you're 59.
And if you make too much money, they claw back your contribution room... unlike the TFSA, which is always the same for everyone.

Yes they're pretty amazing. It's quite realistic to achieve a TFSA value over $1 million if you invest from 18-65. As a couple that could be $2M. $80,000 a year in reliable tax-free, unclaimed income is pretty incredible.

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Re: How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2017, 04:31:37 PM »
One More Reason to be Glad I'm Canadian

Not directly related to the OP's concerns, but I just learned what the differences are between a TFSA and the US equivalent - the Roth IRA. And I got kinda excited.

Sometimes it seems like the Yanks get all the good stuff. Fantastic Credit card churning promo bonuses, bank account promo bonuses, selling tradelines... stuff we either can't do, or just doesn't have the big payoff if we can. And there's probably more things.

But today, after years of not learning what a Roth IRA is or the rules for it cause it doesn't apply to Canadian me, I learned this: the TFSA kicks the Roth IRA's ass. Especially if you want to retire early.

With the TFSA, the contribution room  carries forward indefinitely. Roth IRA doesn't. 

TFSA you can take out anytime, as much as you want, no issue, doesn't matter how old you are, then put it all back in again the next year if you want. Roth IRA, not really. There's rules about not taking money out until you're 59.
And if you make too much money, they claw back your contribution room... unlike the TFSA, which is always the same for everyone.

The RRSP kicks ass, too.   That "59.5" age rule does not apply, plus catchup contributions are awesome.  Makes an RRSP a tool for evening out your income from high to low times, regardless of age.

No complex "backdoor" rules required.
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Re: How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2017, 04:49:24 PM »
MissyB

I was pretty excited about the eligible dividends.  Like most people, I did not think about this until I am on the verge of being able to use it.  (Next year, my residual income target is below $40k).

Question -- What happens if I borrow $100k and invest in eligible dividends:

Borrow $100k at 2.7% interest rate.
Pay $2700 for loan. Get tax credit of 22.7% marginal tax rate, or ($619); net $2087 interest costs.

Eligible dividends of 3.4% on that loan, or $3400.
Taxes on dividends (total income is $40k before dividends) is  minus 6.39%? or ($217).

Total earned after taxes is:
$3400  +$217 in dividend tax credit - $2087 net interest costs
=  $1580

Risks include: investment risk if dividend is cut or capital drops;  Finance risk if the rate of loan increases.

Do I have that about right?   

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ETA:   MissyB -- as you are looking at a eligible dividend strategy, how did you decide to optimize for taxes, versus optimize for maximum returns:?

e.g., 4% in dividends, with zero tax   -->  versus capital gains growth, taxed at up to 15%?

What are some things to consider when evaluating the alternatives?
« Last Edit: June 06, 2017, 05:24:46 PM by Goldielocks »

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Re: How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2017, 04:50:53 PM »
The RRSP kicks ass, too.   

Yes. If you are at a lower marginal tax rate when withdrawing vs. contributing the RRSP provides higher returns for the same investment compared to a TFSA. The downsides are the mandatory withdrawals at 71 and the fact withdrawals count as income for some benefits. Given how small contribution room is for these accounts I would max both so there is no reason to choose.

About the only time I wouldn't max the RRSP is if my expected retirement income was higher than my income at contribution, but that's never applied to me.

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Re: How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2017, 09:58:32 PM »
MissyB

I was pretty excited about the eligible dividends.  Like most people, I did not think about this until I am on the verge of being able to use it.  (Next year, my residual income target is below $40k).

Question -- What happens if I borrow $100k and invest in eligible dividends:

Borrow $100k at 2.7% interest rate.
Pay $2700 for loan. Get tax credit of 22.7% marginal tax rate, or ($619); net $2087 interest costs.

Eligible dividends of 3.4% on that loan, or $3400.
Taxes on dividends (total income is $40k before dividends) is  minus 6.39%? or ($217).

Total earned after taxes is:
$3400  +$217 in dividend tax credit - $2087 net interest costs
=  $1580

Risks include: investment risk if dividend is cut or capital drops;  Finance risk if the rate of loan increases.

Do I have that about right?   

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ETA:   MissyB -- as you are looking at a eligible dividend strategy, how did you decide to optimize for taxes, versus optimize for maximum returns:?

e.g., 4% in dividends, with zero tax   -->  versus capital gains growth, taxed at up to 15%?

What are some things to consider when evaluating the alternatives?

Hi Goldilocks:

I checked my taxes and the interest is a straight deduction from income, not a tax credit.

I went to Simple Tax Calculator and put in a net income of $37300 (40,000 – 2700). The taxes for that were $4586, and when I put in $3400 in eligible dividends, the total tax dropped to $4435.

Tax on $40K  -       $5121
Tax on $37.3K -      $4586
Tax on $37.3K + div   $4435
Tax saved - interest   $  535
Tax saved - dividends   $  151

https://simpletax.ca/calculator

Pretty close to what you have. I like to run everything through their tax calculator or the actual full tax program to double check before I do something.

I'll think about your other question. The short answer is, some dividend stocks grow a lot better than 4% (you get, say 4% dividend, + dividend growth of 5-10% a year, + stock price growth) and a lot of 'growth' stocks don't grow.

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Re: How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2017, 08:09:38 AM »
If you want to buy stocks on leverage to take advantage of the tax credit and interest deduction I would stick with a Canadian index fund. The trailing 12 month return on VCN is 2.32%, but you you are better diversified than a single company stock.

If you compare $40K income from RRSP with no qualified dividends:

- $40K income
- $34.9K after tax
- $5.1K tax

to $33K income [say RRSP] + $5K from selling NR stocks [@$1K cap gain] + $5K qualified dividends NR -$3K loan costs for $100K [assuming you have $200K in NR]

- $43K cashflow - $3K loan interest = $40K
- $37K after tax
- $3K tax

I'm using Simple Tax [BC] to generate tax numbers. Splitting your taxable $$ between income [RRSP], qualified dividends [NR] and cap gains [NR] provides a low tax rate. The main risk is that your interest costs on the $100K aren't offset by dividends/cap gains.
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Re: How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2017, 02:04:43 PM »

Here's the thing: if you want to be under 10% year-after-year, with a nice income that you can live on and do some fun things with, you need to seriously reconsider your policy on dividends. I think it's a big mistake to dismiss them in service of 'diversity' in your portfolio. In BC, where I live, you can earn up to $50,000 completely tax free each year, so long as it is all eligible dividends. Not all provinces are the same (anyone can check easily for your province by looking up the Simple Tax Calculator online).

The point of diversification is to reduce the risk of underperformance of a single security, industry, or country.
During the market collapse of '07-08, global 'diversity' in portfolio didn't give much protection. Everything fell, and in fact, that was a product of the very high degree of 'diversification' and investing out. The countries who didn't have huge housing bubbles were exposed anyway because of massive investment in financial instruments from countries who did. Diversification can offer some growth opportunities, but as far as protection goes, I think it's a non-starter.

When countries had more insular financial systems, diversification offered more real protection; now, all financial calamities are contagious.

Personally, I am building an investment portfolio of industry-diversified Cdn eligible dividends, with US non-eligible div stocks in my RRSP, and Canadian trust (these are the .UN stocks; they pay dividends, but they aren't eligible and the tax treatment is more complex) in my TFSA, along with more Cdn eligible div stocks.
Because of tax treaty rules with the US, US dividends are not withheld or taxed in an RRSP, which they are in a TFSA or regular investment account. This is why everyone, including very low income people, should use an RRSP. You will want some US stocks to be properly industry diversified, and it's the only way to hold them without having your dividends withheld at 30%.

Otherwise, your legal and honest options for tax reduction are quite limited, unless your income is very low to start with.


No, 15%; there is a treaty, and Canadians get a tax break because of this, both in your TFSA and unregistered.

OP can buy the 'swap' based ETFs - zero dividends, just capital gains on selling.

Very low income people should use their TFSA first. There is a chance they will pay more tax taking the money out of their RRSP in retirement (when they have CPP, OAS, and GIS) than putting in.

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Re: How to never pay taxes again for Canadians ? (post-fire)
« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2017, 02:08:45 PM »
Sometimes it seems like the Yanks get all the good stuff. Fantastic Credit card churning promo bonuses, bank account promo bonuses, selling tradelines...

You can do pretty well with credit cards here, honestly. Maybe not as much, but still decent. Considering what it is - virtually free money.

Shame there's so little MS. Ho hum.