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Re: Got Fired, decided I'm FIREd! 39F, where the ladies at?
« Reply #50 on: January 16, 2024, 02:27:30 PM »
When talking to others about what you do now, could you make a joke out of it?  "I'm a recovering attorney."

It's true but also fairly light-hearted, and can be an easy segue into talking about some fun project you are working on. Or for people who would rather chat about work stuff, it lets them know you are conversant in that world as well.

Some may even ask you enviously how you achieved your freedom. :)

I work in a big oil and gas city with a bunch of people who downgraded at youngish ages. Mentioning that you used to work in oil but got out as soon as you could is a perfectly acceptable explanation of being at a brewery at 3 on a Wednesday.

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Re: Got Fired, decided I'm FIREd! 39F, where the ladies at?
« Reply #51 on: January 17, 2024, 12:20:26 PM »
@Taran Wanderer, the investment responses make me a little uncomfortable... Feels like an evasive answer people will see through quickly and then I'd just get awkward, because then it also could be interpreted as me bragging about my wealth. 

I actually like @FrugalShrew 's idea!  I can make a joke of it!  And it then does allow discussion on my prior career.

@catccc, I will for sure not bother to explain myself beyond SAHM to people just in passing... It's sort of those in-between situations where a person does not know me well, but I'm spending significant time in discussion with them.

@eyesonthehorizon, thank you!  I'm definitely trying to focus on my health and needs for now.

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Re: Got Fired, decided I'm FIREd! 39F, where the ladies at?
« Reply #52 on: January 22, 2024, 12:31:06 PM »
When talking to others about what you do now, could you make a joke out of it?  "I'm a recovering attorney."

It's true but also fairly light-hearted, and can be an easy segue into talking about some fun project you are working on. Or for people who would rather chat about work stuff, it lets them know you are conversant in that world as well.

Some may even ask you enviously how you achieved your freedom. :)

I work in a big oil and gas city with a bunch of people who downgraded at youngish ages. Mentioning that you used to work in oil but got out as soon as you could is a perfectly acceptable explanation of being at a brewery at 3 on a Wednesday.
I only wish this were more common. I live in oil country, I used to live in a petro hub, almost nobody I ever met could break or avoid an addiction to that firehouse of cash. Endless boom-bust cycles instilled unsustainable spending habits which compounded debts every time there was a slowdown. Those who left usually left in a bad position because they got laid off & couldn’t get back in before they had to take just any job.

Even before the environmental considerations it just seemed like such a toxic, destructive, net-negative force.

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Re: Got Fired, decided I'm FIREd! 39F, where the ladies at?
« Reply #53 on: January 24, 2024, 07:44:08 AM »
When talking to others about what you do now, could you make a joke out of it?  "I'm a recovering attorney."

It's true but also fairly light-hearted, and can be an easy segue into talking about some fun project you are working on. Or for people who would rather chat about work stuff, it lets them know you are conversant in that world as well.

Some may even ask you enviously how you achieved your freedom. :)

I work in a big oil and gas city with a bunch of people who downgraded at youngish ages. Mentioning that you used to work in oil but got out as soon as you could is a perfectly acceptable explanation of being at a brewery at 3 on a Wednesday.
I only wish this were more common. I live in oil country, I used to live in a petro hub, almost nobody I ever met could break or avoid an addiction to that firehouse of cash. Endless boom-bust cycles instilled unsustainable spending habits which compounded debts every time there was a slowdown. Those who left usually left in a bad position because they got laid off & couldn’t get back in before they had to take just any job.

Even before the environmental considerations it just seemed like such a toxic, destructive, net-negative force.

Ooooh yes. There's probably 10 of those people for every one that gets out safely. My ex-brother-in-law got a 100k signing bonus and bought a 70k fully customized truck and a 60k Camero, both with massive car loans defeating the explanation of "but I have the cash". The trading firm that my friend works at has a dinner at end of year. The highest earning trader has to pay for dinner and the second highest pays for happy hour. Everyone tries to run up the tab as much as possible getting into the $20,000 mark easily. The hedonism is out of this world and then they are left crying when the inevitable bust comes.

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Re: Got Fired, decided I'm FIREd! 39F, where the ladies at?
« Reply #54 on: February 10, 2024, 08:16:49 PM »
I relate a lot to your post.

I’m very newly retired and while I have a daughter, I don’t feel like a SAHM. I have a PhD in an engineering field and after years as a successful researcher/engineer I rose through the ranks as a tenured professor. Although,I was  at a teaching University so after more than a decade of teaching the same classes by the end my job became very easy and required minimal time. In theory it was my dream job, and I had tons of free time after the years of working my way up, pay was great for the time required,, but the environment became so toxic that I just couldn’t stand it any longer. Perhaps having exhausted any new potential opportunities (at the ceiling unless I went into admin which I had no desire to do) contributed to my dissatisfaction, but it was also a horrible working environment.

I told my parents and friends that I was taking a year off, and they have all been basically supportive of that as they all knew how burnt out I was. I figure that at the end of the year I’ll just tell them that I’m taking another year off  lol, but I guess eventually I’ll have to tell them. My father especially will really not understand unless I just say that my husband is supporting me. Which, my husband is working and covering the daily bills (we may have to pull from investments for large expenses), but the reason we can do this is bc of all of the work, planning and investing that I’ve done. Eg., we are set up so that he too can retire in two years or so (although he likes his job and may not want to).It feels crappy to have my professional identity replaced with “a woman being supported by her hard working dh,” so I feel like I also  totally relate to you there.




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Re: Got Fired, decided I'm FIREd! 39F, where the ladies at?
« Reply #55 on: February 11, 2024, 04:09:42 PM »
@Emilyngh, sounds like we have a lot in common!  I’m going to PM you.

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« Reply #56 on: February 14, 2024, 02:22:53 AM »
If any of the DMs going round resolve on new (non-identifying) ways of discussing or deflecting work status inquiries I’d love to hear them. I’m almost tempted to start a thread specific to FIREd women & the social conundrum of being a double outlier, neither working nor financially dependent on a spouse or partner as is expected of nonworking women. I’m in my thirties & all my life choices are subject to public interest comment anyway - you aren’t wearing a ring, are you going to get married? When will you have babies? Adding “when are you going back to work” has been no fun because for years I escaped the impertinence of the first two with comments about my career, & I’m just realizing how much it all is reducible to asking women “for the service of which other people do you exist?”

So far I’m doing similarly to Emilyngh & claiming a sabbatical with some concern about the looming one-year mark.

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Re: Got Fired, decided I'm FIREd! 39F, where the ladies at?
« Reply #57 on: February 14, 2024, 10:05:29 AM »
@eyesonthehorizon, start a new thread with your details!  I’ll chime in. 

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Re: Got Fired, decided I'm FIREd! 39F, where the ladies at?
« Reply #58 on: February 15, 2024, 10:52:13 AM »
For years my family thought a relative was working, and turns out she was actually doing volunteer work for a suicide hotline about 10 hours a week.  She got away with it because no one was really observed when she left/came home and she always had something interesting to say about her 'job'.

You can do volunteer work like "Lawyers in the Library"  "Lawyers for the Arts" to help people who have no access to legal help.  Then you can talk about your 'job' for 5 minutes before you move onto another topic.  Also, there are a lot of people out there who have no money and need legal help.  That's a great example for kids.

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Re: Got Fired, decided I'm FIREd! 39F, where the ladies at?
« Reply #59 on: February 18, 2024, 01:40:11 PM »
Similar boat (but am still working).  42 female, but single and without kids.  Biglaw for 16 years.  Similar finances.  I would love to go part time in a scenario that you proposed to your firm.  Or even a set number of hours of part-time work.   I don't want the stress anymore, don't want to be constantly checking emails, etc.  I also want to take more and longer vacations.   I assume that I will be faced with a similar answer if I propose (no, and please leave), or that firm will require a much higher part-time role (e.g., 80% -- which I understand typically morphs into full time hours but for less pay.)  Risk adverse but need to downshift.   

Outside of the lack of support from your partner, how are you enjoying FIRE so far?  Happy to PM!

 

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Re: Got Fired, decided I'm FIREd! 39F, where the ladies at?
« Reply #60 on: February 23, 2024, 04:35:42 PM »
@Unionville, volunteering is definitely a possibility to keep people off my back about continuing to practice law.  The only issue is, it just wouldn't "spark joy" for me, to borrow the Marie Kondo term.  I am going to think about it more and see if there is any opportunity to do something I would feel good about.

@virginianacy, if you have similar finances to me, you should 100% be asking your ask.  When I asked, I was ready for the answer I received, and fine with the result.  I was just done trying to juggle my life obligations with my work.  I was already 75% part-time at that point, and it still wasn't enough leeway for me to deal with my family obligations.  Getting fired was actually easier than me trying to make myself quit if the answer had been "No, but you can keep working your current amount". 

FIRE life has been great lately...  I started exercising for the first time in years!  I took a spoon-carving class!  I have time to think about bigger life direction/planning goals that I had been putting off.  Feel free to PM me!  I am loving getting to know people with similar situations on here.  It feels like there are none in my real life.

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Re: Got Fired, decided I'm FIREd! 39F, where the ladies at?
« Reply #61 on: February 23, 2024, 07:48:43 PM »
Maybe there's a law adjacent volunteer role where people would assume you are practising law! Eg "I'm helping asylum seekers" except you aren't doing the legal work, you're cooking food or teaching English.

Your FIRE'd life sounds like it's going well!

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Re: Got Fired, decided I'm FIREd! 39F, where the ladies at?
« Reply #62 on: February 23, 2024, 09:35:21 PM »
@Fresh Bread, actually I used to volunteer at a clinic where we helped people put together their applications to the court to have old drug charges expunged from their records so they could get jobs and housing more easily.  That was law adjacent, but didn’t actually require volunteers to be lawyers.  It felt good to help people in the community.  I think they shut down during pandemic, but might look into whether they ever started up again.

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Re: Got Fired, decided I'm FIREd! 39F, where the ladies at?
« Reply #63 on: May 30, 2024, 07:38:04 AM »
Have you thought about teaching at a law school? It's an opportunity to use your knowledge while also mentoring young people. I've known people on either side of the law school mentor/mentee dynamic, and it seemed to bring them positive fulfillment and opportunities.

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Re: Got Fired, decided I'm FIREd! 39F, where the ladies at?
« Reply #64 on: June 04, 2024, 03:42:46 PM »
@lifeandlimb, about 10 years ago I almost joined a law school before we decided to move to our current city.  Here, I haven’t really looked into it.  I might check out possibilities one of these days!

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Re: Got Fired, decided I'm FIREd! 39F, where the ladies at?
« Reply #65 on: June 05, 2024, 01:57:54 PM »
Hello to a recovering BigLaw lawyer! I spent 14 years there, too.  I left right before the pandemic, for a flexible, part-time public-service-adjacent job. I've been surprised at how many opportunities for work have come up since I left, without my having to search for them.
I get some fulfillment from my public-serviceish job, but initially I took it at least in part in order to have an answer to "what do you do?" As a bonus, because of that work and other work that has come up along the way, I haven't had to withdraw from my savings at all.

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Re: Got Fired, decided I'm FIREd! 39F, where the ladies at?
« Reply #66 on: June 05, 2024, 03:14:45 PM »
@MiserlyMiser, I'd love to hear more about how you made that transition and what the public service job entails.  How many hours do you work?  Is it remote/hybrid?

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Re: Got Fired, decided I'm FIREd! 39F, where the ladies at?
« Reply #67 on: July 30, 2024, 06:45:07 PM »
Man your stories about your family wanting to work after you did the following made me so mad that steam is coming out of my ears!!! What the hell more do these people want? Maybe they think you need wait until you have 1 Billion dollars in your chequiing account and turn 102 years old before you stop working. This is soooooo increadibly insane.

I mean think about what you did:
1. Saved up enough money to literally be within the top 2% of wealth for your age in the WEALTHIEST COUNTRY IN EARTH IN HISTORY. Maybe you spend time in wealthy communities and have normalized where you are at, but seriously your wealth by that age is absolutely astronomically insanely humongous.
2. Gave birth to and raised children
3. Made it as a woman in big law

You've far far far far far surpassed me and my parents are very proud of me. Just sad how a person can be a top 1% achiever on a global perspective and still not satisfy their parents. I doubt they have done anything as close to as impressive as what you accomplished so far.

Anyways congrats you have a lot of interesting things in life to look forward to.

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Re: Got Fired, decided I'm FIREd! 39F, where the ladies at?
« Reply #68 on: July 30, 2024, 06:51:11 PM »
Have you asked your parents/hubby straight up "How much money would be enough to have saved before I can retire?". This would be an interesting question.
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Re: Got Fired, decided I'm FIREd! 39F, where the ladies at?
« Reply #69 on: August 01, 2024, 04:08:03 PM »
I love what Rockies has said here and the explicit reminder of just how over-the-top exceptional your accomplishments have been.

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Re: Got Fired, decided I'm FIREd! 39F, where the ladies at?
« Reply #70 on: August 26, 2024, 12:06:29 PM »
Thank you, @Rockies and @Dee.  You guys are really kind.  As an update, my partner has relaxed a lot of late about me not working.  The kids are really still a lot, and I think he sees that.  Also, he’s been having some struggles of his own lately that I’ve been helping him with a lot.  I think he’s appreciating that I would not have been able to help/support him through these things if I were still working.  Plus, our lives are very flexible given his academic schedule and not having to also schedule around my work.  Parent situation is still TBD…

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« Reply #71 on: August 27, 2024, 10:04:24 AM »
Thank you, @Rockies and @Dee.  You guys are really kind.  As an update, my partner has relaxed a lot of late about me not working.  The kids are really still a lot, and I think he sees that.  Also, he’s been having some struggles of his own lately that I’ve been helping him with a lot.  I think he’s appreciating that I would not have been able to help/support him through these things if I were still working.  Plus, our lives are very flexible given his academic schedule and not having to also schedule around my work.  Parent situation is still TBD…

Sounds like things are working out well! 

As someone who was "Biglaw adjacent" for 20 years I know what you went thru.  My networth is similar to yours, and consider myself FI.  I did get rid of all debt many years ago, just a personal choice that gave me the guts to allocate a lot more to equities and ride the wave.  I built up a similar "huge" 529 stache for the 3 kids which is now in quick distribution mode...I'm glad i had it, I told each kid they could have whatever remained in theirs.  I was able to find a well paying part time job so am just enjoying it for as long as it lasts, esp. now that my kids are much older.

The kids will be a lot for a while at that age...but trust me, as someone who's nest is just about empty you'll miss it.  The short period of time my kids were all between 8 and 18 was an amazing sweet spot I thought, would have had that last forever.

I was very lucky my wife wanted to be a SAHM, I have no idea how a couple with full time jobs do it (esp. when they are younger than 5).  She had a lot of the same feelings as you as to not wanting to be thought of as a SAHM, of feeling pressure to work, etc (though never from me...again, it would have been constant overload IMO for us both to work long hour jobs).  I never myself understood the "need" to work beyond paying the bills ;-)....I'm the kind that responds to the very few comments along the lines of "It must be nice..." (regarding my current status of working 15 hrs/wk) with "Why, yes, it most certainly is."

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« Reply #72 on: August 27, 2024, 01:25:33 PM »
Have you asked your parents/hubby straight up "How much money would be enough to have saved before I can retire?". This would be an interesting question.

I doubt it, because the real answer is probably roughly something like "It's not about the money, it is about being able to tell my friends that my daughter/wife is a high powered attorney at an elite practice, which means we are good parents who raised a successful child/I picked a high quality partner which reflects good on me as a parent/partner." I doubt they would/could articulate it in this way though.

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Re: Got Fired, decided I'm FIREd! 39F, where the ladies at?
« Reply #73 on: August 27, 2024, 09:58:04 PM »
@Psychetache, for my parents I think it comes from their poor immigrant background, rather than status signaling.  They 1) worry for my well-being, 2) only know how to work and have still not stopped besides being elderly and having more than I do, 3) don’t understand financial projection the way those of us in this forum do.  So, their position boils down to:  How can you not work?!? What if XYZ disaster?!  You’re just relying on our money!

For my partner, it’s possibly partly about status.  I’m sure he felt proud to tell others I was a fancy lawyer.  But, it’s also that he has some belief in the inherent societal good/value in working.  He would be happy if I worked a lower stress, lower pay job too.  He thinks it will show our kids the importance of working hard.  I don’t fully disagree with this take.  But I’m going to give myself time to figure out at my own speed.

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Re: Got Fired, decided I'm FIREd! 39F, where the ladies at?
« Reply #74 on: September 08, 2024, 08:59:47 AM »
I mean think about what you did:
1. Saved up enough money to literally be within the top 2% of wealth for your age in the WEALTHIEST COUNTRY IN EARTH IN HISTORY.

Here are articles saying we are the NINTH WEALTHIEST COUNTRY
https://gfmag.com/data/richest-countries-in-the-world/
https://www.forbesindia.com/article/explainers/top-10-richest-countries-in-the-world/87305/1

That's per capita.  We have a lot more population than most other countries so our total GDP would make us the wealthiest country. 
Remember to account for our $35 trillion of debt and much more unfunded healthcare liabiliies when talking about how wealthy this country is.

If anyone gives you flack, I would just tell them why would I work when I have more than enough money already?  Make it sound like you're a billionaire.  Tell them your full-time job is to manage all your assets.
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Re: Got Fired, decided I'm FIREd! 39F, where the ladies at?
« Reply #75 on: September 29, 2024, 10:04:41 AM »
I mean think about what you did:
1. Saved up enough money to literally be within the top 2% of wealth for your age in the WEALTHIEST COUNTRY IN EARTH IN HISTORY.

Here are articles saying we are the NINTH WEALTHIEST COUNTRY


Point taken, I don't disagree. But I hope we could agree that OP is extremely wealthy in a relatively wealthy country.

I see from further comments that its not so much about wealth to her family, its about status and the status of having a certain job or position.

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Re: Got Fired, decided I'm FIREd! 39F, where the ladies at?
« Reply #76 on: January 11, 2025, 04:26:08 PM »
@FireOnTheMuffin - how are you going now? It's been a year.. do you feel any changes with your current health ?

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« Reply #77 on: January 12, 2025, 09:32:32 AM »
Thanks for checking in, @life_travel!  I’m doing well and health is well.  I have gone off medication for now and am getting such good sleep.  Back in working days, particularly the last 3-4 months of the year, I’d be so stressed with work, I’d sleep on the living room couch so I could wake up in the night and do more work without bothering my husband.  These days, I go to bed at 10:30 and wake up when my kid jumps into bed with us for a snuggle.

I stay busy enough during the day with yard work, rental property management, and now working on moving and getting our house ready to sell.  Then picking my kid up from school and carting her to various kid activities. 

My partner doesn’t try to pressure me about not working.  He vaguely disapproves but then again he wants 2 more kids, which would be impossible if I were still working.  So far, my parents have been distracted with their own lives and not given me too much heat about being jobless.  Not sure my dad knows…

As for social life, we’ve been socializing mostly with parents of our kids’ friends.  I suppose most assume we are living off my partner’s continued income.  But if we spend enough time together, they know I left a high stress job….  Oddly, the most awkward interaction was when a friend who teases me about my FIRE/MMM ways introduced me to his new gf and asked how being retired has been.  They’re both very career driven, and I didn’t know what to say. 

But with the election here, my partner is pushing for us to move to Australia.  His family and friends are in Canberra.  I hate the politics and religious nuts here but struggle with feeling comfortable uprooting everything to go.  How is it for you there?


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« Reply #78 on: January 19, 2025, 04:53:18 AM »
I love uprooting! We lived in Australia just shy of 20 years and we love it here, but we do get itchy feet from time to time.. we planned to move to another country in 2014-15 but didn't ( that was a good decision!)
We then planned to save some money , that's when I found MMM and travel full time for a couple of years around 2017. Told everyone . Didn't happen. Life happened and plans changed.
Then we were all ready to go by 2020, planning to ease into long term travel and take 5 month paid break from work and hit a few places. Well we all know what happened in 2020.....
Then everything was in turmoil for years and not we are planning to move again ( in Australia though! ) - not sure when and IF it happens ( in all honesty) but we travelled to that location twice in the last 6 months and at least we had a great holidays if the move won't eventuate.
so yeah.... in short we really love living in Australia but always want something new :)