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Re: Calling all downshifters!
« Reply #250 on: November 15, 2021, 09:13:48 AM »
Welcome Eniacs! Looks like you've got your "stuff" together. Quite the juggling act to keep you busy :).

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Re: Calling all downshifters!
« Reply #251 on: November 16, 2021, 08:55:12 PM »
- why you did it?
The pandemic changed everything. I was out of work for over 1 yr and I enjoyed every bit of it.
I got my job back and my wife quit her end of Sept.
I'm at about 70% of what I worked before and will go down to 50% next year to get ACA for 2022.
- what your downshift looks like?
I work 3 days a week. Sometimes 4 sometimes 2. Basically whatever I want.
My 3 days will cover all our expenses while letting our current stash  grow. NW around $1.4 million.
- what do you like about it?
What's not to like about it ??
- what isn't so awesome about it?
We do have a budget now and we follow it.
It's all mentally actually. We can maintain our lifestyles just as before but since the work income only cover expenses, we don't want to over spend and dip into our current stash. But then again our stash is growing exponentially.
- what are your plans going forward around downshifting and FIRE?
My job is very flexible. I can basically take off when ever my want while my wife cannot.
Since she quit last Sept, we are free to travel as we please.
We have gone to Colo. in Oct. We have a trip to Tahiti end of Nov.
Ski trip in Dec and many afterwards as we have the Epic pass this season.
We will hit Colo, Tahoe, Utah, Vermont and others during this winter season. This will get us through end of April.
Looking at a big trip in May. Europe or Vietnam. We'll see what Covid will be like by that time.
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Re: Calling all downshifters!
« Reply #252 on: November 17, 2021, 05:58:05 AM »
- why you did it?
The pandemic changed everything. I was out of work for over 1 yr and I enjoyed every not of it.
I got my job back and my wife quit her end of Sept.
I'm at about 70% of what I worked before and will go down to 50% next year to get ACA for 2022.
- what your downshift looks like?
I work 3 days a week. Sometimes 4 sometimes 2. Basically whatever I want.
My 3 days will cover all our expenses while letting our current stash  grow. NW around $1.4 million.
- what do you like about it?
What's not to like about it ??
- what isn't so awesome about it?
We do have a budget now and we follow it.
It's all mentally actually. We can maintain our lifestyles just as before but since the income only cover expenses, we don't want to over spend and dip into our current stash. But then again our stash is growing exponentially.
- what are your plans going forward around downshifting and FIRE?
My job is very flexible. I can basically take off when ever my want while my wife cannot.
Since she quit last Sept, we are free to travel as we please.
We have gone to Colo. in Oct. We have a trip to Tahiti end of Nov.
Ski trip in Dec and many afterwards as we have the Epic pass this season.
We will hit Colo, Tahoe, Utah, Vermont and others during this winter season. This will get us through end of April.
Looking at a big trip in May. Europe or Vietnam. We'll see what Covid will be like by that time.

congrats no one seems to ever regret this choice. 

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Re: Calling all downshifters!
« Reply #253 on: November 17, 2021, 10:37:15 AM »
congrats no one seems to ever regret this choice.

I sure haven't!  That's a good open question, anyone regret downshifting and gone back to 40 hours?

I have, admittedly, come close to wanting to.  I downshifted at the end of 2019, took a 20% paycut, which was fine.  Then the pandemic hit and we lost our bonuses, which was another 20%, which was still fine.  Then we bought a house and I moved off the boat (which was super cheap COL).  Still (mostly) fine.  But we had some big (expensive) things we want to do to the house/property.  For the first time in over a decade, I was starting to feel the pressure of lack of income.  Thankfully before I could make any mistakes, bonuses came back.

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Re: Calling all downshifters!
« Reply #254 on: November 17, 2021, 10:56:40 AM »
That's a good open question, anyone regret downshifting and gone back to 40 hours?

Regret it? No.

I did DS and then go back to FT work for a while. I was able to increase my income significantly due to the opportunity to work on two contracts simultaneously.

My thought at the time was that I either wanted to work PT and have a lovely relaxing coast to FIRE despite it taking longer or I was okay with a fast and furious fast track FIRE. Both seemed like better options that the middle of the road average FT gig.

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Re: Calling all downshifters!
« Reply #255 on: November 20, 2021, 12:00:20 PM »
That's a good open question, anyone regret downshifting and gone back to 40 hours?

PT for just over 2 years now. No regrets.

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Re: Calling all downshifters!
« Reply #256 on: November 24, 2021, 01:30:11 PM »
Iím coming up on 4 years of a series of downshifts, and it has been the most amazing transition ever.

- why you did it?
I reached lean FI 4 years ago and was ready to reclaim some of my time and take my foot of the gas to coast a little.

- what your downshift looks like?
2011-2017 I was healthcare middle manager, 60+ hour workweeks, little job satisfaction
2018 downshifted to 4x10 hour days back to direct patient care. 10% pay reduction, but back to manageable work week
2020 downshifted to 4x9 hour days, patient care role, pay 10% less, totally worth it
2021 due to a pandemic miracle, was able to downshift to 2x10 hour days, salary pro-rated for 0.5 FTE. I feel like I hardly work at all.  !Full Benefits!!!!

- what do you like about it?
Iíve succeeded in flipping the workweek. Instead of working 5 days with 2 off, I work 2 days, with 5 days off. And I have tons of banked sick and vacation days, so I get to take a lot of time off.

- what isn't so awesome about it?
Nothing. Loving every minute of it. My husband FIRED early this year, so we get to spend plenty of time together

- what are your plans going forward around downshifting and FIRE?
Probably continue to work 0.5 FTE for 5 more years to age 55 when golden handcuffs unlock completely (padded pension and some retiree health benefits). Our FIRE number will be more FatFire by that time, which will ensure adequate funding for LTC.

Hope my employer does not wise up to the fact that I am an expensive and not terribly productive employee.

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Re: Calling all downshifters!
« Reply #257 on: November 24, 2021, 02:26:18 PM »
@LateToTheParty, congratulations on your awesome success at downshifting. Great story!

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« Reply #258 on: November 27, 2021, 03:33:18 AM »
why you did it?
Reached FI a while back and then covid happened. Work as a contractor in IT and kept getting renewed so with nothing much else to do continued to add to the stash.

Then when last renewal came round in August this year I requested a 5 week break (agreed to) and also a 4 day week (agreed to)

- what your downshift looks like?
I have every Monday off which is fantastic, its amazing how quickly me and the wife have got used to it (she stopped working a while back).

Typically Monday is now our 'go out and explore' day, going walking, cycling or visiting historic places of interest. 

what do you like about it?
3 day weekend; not having to cram outside interests into 2 days.

-what isn't so awesome about it?

I'm pretty much 'phoning it in' regarding my work now. I've lost pretty much all motivation to work as we have more than enough in the stash. Having a 3 day weekend (sometimes 4) means 'work' is now getting in the way.

- what are your plans going forward around downshifting and FIRE?

From January I will start taking every other Friday off, plus a week off every 6 weeks.
My contract finishes end of August and then that's me done! FIRE here we come!


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Re: Calling all downshifters!
« Reply #259 on: November 30, 2021, 08:16:50 AM »
Only just found this thread, but downshifted earlier this year - still finding my way (and planning to cut my hours further next year!)

Currently I'm paid based on 24h/week (that allows me to stay as an employee and keep health insurance - though I'm in the UK so the latter isn't such a big deal).  My work is project based so it's pretty volatile.  I have had 40h/weeks and 8h/weeks or less (this is one of the latter) so it can be stressful at times: particularly if the 40h/week coincides with school holidays and having to piece together some childcare.

On the other hand, I am basically never short of sleep now.  Very rarely work on a weekend.  Can keep on top of most of my admin during the week, so I don't have to spend so much family time at the weekend on paperwork or laundry.  Spend lots of time with the kids and generally know what is going on with them and what they need at school each day.  I have the mental bandwidth to juggle that now - which was a struggle when I was doing 40-50 hour weeks, even with a full time nanny.

Anyway, I am still not getting a huge amount of "me" time to sort out the house or pursue hobbies - but the increase in family time and the ability to cook nicer meals and spend more time with the kids has already been a massive benefit.  I'm FIRE already, so I'm going to cut my hours more next year - and probably fully RE from there (later next year or 2023 some time I guess), unless something weird happens and I start to really enjoy work again.  I used to really love my job - which I've done for nearly 25 years now, but before I down-shifted I was pretty burnt out - and even now I'm kind of "meh" about it all - but still a bit scared to call it a day).

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Re: Calling all downshifters!
« Reply #260 on: November 30, 2021, 06:15:15 PM »
Also just joined/found this thread.

Currently in the middle of downshifting in a somewhat ambiguous method. 

- why you did it?
Change in job function in the "new normal".  I like WFH and would continue in this manner for a long time even though I don't need the money.  Downshifting in hopes the WFH comes back. If not, will FIRE. 

- what your downshift looks like?
Change in responsibilities, less work interaction, less work and not much less income, definitely giving up on future earnings when downshifting, but income not needed. 
- what do you like about it?
More free time, less stress, more autonomy. 
- what isn't so awesome about it?
Loss of influence at work, more of a price taker than price setter at work, almost 0 influence on anything going forward.   
- what are your plans going forward around downshifting and FIRE?
If not WFH in 2022, FIRE and relocate for 6-18 months in fun location and wait for a butterfly to land on my shoulder pointing me in a new direction.   

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Re: Calling all downshifters!
« Reply #261 on: December 02, 2021, 08:49:06 PM »
- why you did it?
During Covid I feel like I worked harder than anyone else at my office. Now we are dealing with a baby-boom.. my entire staff is either pregnant or on maternity leave. I am exhausted and tired of training new people. I have been behind on my work for basically two years and it is terribly uncomfortable for me. This year I moved to a new house, boosting my retirement fund with profits from my sale (I guess its some FU money...) I enjoy my job, but I am completely burnt out and am tired of having no energy at the end of the day. My two school aged kids have very active schedules, so I feel like I am never home to enjoy my awesome new house. I basically stopped my forward motion on my personal growth (finished college December 2020 and hoped to have completed my CPA exams by now, but I haven't had the energy or focus to study, so have gotten nowhere).

- what your downshift looks like?
Right now I generally work 8am - 5pm with an hour lunch break, plus probably an hour per day from home so I can try to get caught up... I didn't actually downshift yet, but I told my employer that I will shift to 25 hours per week on January 1st . I think this will look like 5 x 5-hour days (9am -2pm).  I intend to come home, meal plan for dinner (need to be healthier than we are now!) before my kids get home from school, study for a couple of hours for my CPA, then get the kids off to whatever lesson/practice they have that day. Not much of a downshift. I feel terrible when I am not progressing in my personal growth, so I need to build that into my life.

- what do you like about it?
I think I will like taking my time getting going in the morning. Right now, I try to get in as soon as I can to try to get stuff done without interruptions. I would really like to sit on my back porch with my coffee instead and really enjoy the morning.

- what isn't so awesome about it?
I have a bit of anxiety about the position I have put myself in. My employer has to bring someone in to train for at least a good part of my job. But really, they should have hired my counter-part by now in order to keep me from getting burned out.  I sort of forced their hand. So, it is possible that they will just fully terminate me and replace me. I don't expect that to happen though. I think they see my value very clearly. I need to earn an income, so it would be disappointing if this happened, but I have a couple of years of expenses set aside just in case.

- what are your plans going forward around downshifting and FIRE?

This will slow my savings down a lot and push back my FIRE date ultimately, but I think trading some relief and joy now for some extra years is worth it.  My expenses may naturally go down, since I have some bad habits now (buying coffee/lunch/dinner too often instead of making trying to get everything done). I also have plenty of other fat in my budget I can easily trim. Even without trimming, I will be able to save about 10% of my income towards retirement (I save 35% now, so this is a big drop). Once I complete my CPA exams, my earning potential should improve.
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Re: Calling all downshifters!
« Reply #262 on: December 02, 2021, 10:45:03 PM »
I downshifted after coming back from maternity leave. The expectation was to go back to FT status, but I've stuck to 4 days a week/80%. It's led to some clarity around role, and come the new year I will be officially moving into more of an individual contributor role instead of a department head. There should be less work on evenings and weekends, less stress, fewer meetings, and more flexibility. My goal is to downshift further to 24 hours a week - but we'll see if I can make that happen.

For now I'm just loving having three days off with my kid. Life feels much more balanced.

(We also moved to a small mountain town during the pandemic, so being physically removed from my corporate HQ has also enabled me to downshift.)

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Re: Calling all downshifters!
« Reply #263 on: December 03, 2021, 08:25:12 AM »
Finally attempting to ease into downshifting!

Using PTO to work 4 days weeks through the end of the year (this is mostly to show management that things will not fall apart if I work 4 days weeks).

Fingers crossed!

If this works, I'll ease into the new year by using PTO for four days weeks every other week until spring. DH should hear about tenure in April, and then I'll make the request to go to 80%.

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Re: Calling all downshifters!
« Reply #264 on: December 03, 2021, 10:00:18 AM »
Nice moves, StarBright. Way to use that PTO.

I'm thinking about a further downshift. I average about 30 hours per week now (highly variable) and would love to get to an average 20 hours per week.

One possibility is outsourcing a couple small tasks. I can't outsource most of my job functions because I work with protected data, but there are some admin things I could offload without needing to disclose (I'm a 1099 contractor with an LLC). Does anyone have experience with this? Did you use a service or find an individual VA or some third option?

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Re: Calling all downshifters!
« Reply #265 on: December 04, 2021, 10:36:42 AM »
- why you did it?
During Covid I feel like I worked harder than anyone else at my office. Now we are dealing with a baby-boom.. my entire staff is either pregnant or on maternity leave. I am exhausted and tired of training new people. I have been behind on my work for basically two years and it is terribly uncomfortable for me. This year I moved to a new house, boosting my retirement fund with profits from my sale (I guess its some FU money...) I enjoy my job, but I am completely burnt out and am tired of having no energy at the end of the day. My two school aged kids have very active schedules, so I feel like I am never home to enjoy my awesome new house. I basically stopped my forward motion on my personal growth (finished college December 2020 and hoped to have completed my CPA exams by now, but I haven't had the energy or focus to study, so have gotten nowhere).

- what your downshift looks like?
Right now I generally work 8am - 5pm with an hour lunch break, plus probably an hour per day from home so I can try to get caught up... I didn't actually downshift yet, but I told my employer that I will shift to 25 hours per week on January 1st . I think this will look like 5 x 5-hour days (9am -2pm).  I intend to come home, meal plan for dinner (need to be healthier than we are now!) before my kids get home from school, study for a couple of hours for my CPA, then get the kids off to whatever lesson/practice they have that day. Not much of a downshift. I feel terrible when I am not progressing in my personal growth, so I need to build that into my life.

- what do you like about it?
I think I will like taking my time getting going in the morning. Right now, I try to get in as soon as I can to try to get stuff done without interruptions. I would really like to sit on my back porch with my coffee instead and really enjoy the morning.

- what isn't so awesome about it?
I have a bit of anxiety about the position I have put myself in. My employer has to bring someone in to train for at least a good part of my job. But really, they should have hired my counter-part by now in order to keep me from getting burned out.  I sort of forced their hand. So, it is possible that they will just fully terminate me and replace me. I don't expect that to happen though. I think they see my value very clearly. I need to earn an income, so it would be disappointing if this happened, but I have a couple of years of expenses set aside just in case.

- what are your plans going forward around downshifting and FIRE?

This will slow my savings down a lot and push back my FIRE date ultimately, but I think trading some relief and joy now for some extra years is worth it.  My expenses may naturally go down, since I have some bad habits now (buying coffee/lunch/dinner too often instead of making trying to get everything done). I also have plenty of other fat in my budget I can easily trim. Even without trimming, I will be able to save about 10% of my income towards retirement (I save 35% now, so this is a big drop). Once I complete my CPA exams, my earning potential should improve.

Sounds like you're ripe for a downshift. I hope it works out for you! You deserve a break!

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Re: Calling all downshifters!
« Reply #266 on: December 04, 2021, 10:41:22 AM »
Hopefully one of the good things brought about by the pandemic will be the labor market loosening up and letting more people have the option to flex and have more control over their hours. Lots of good stories the last couple of weeks in this thread. Inspiring.

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Re: Calling all downshifters!
« Reply #267 on: December 04, 2021, 07:10:36 PM »
PTF. I put the mechanisms in place to shift to a flexible reduced schedule with variable hours. Iíll end up having to to go to ACA healthcare, which seems fine once I do the homework on what makes sense. Just knowing it is out there is good for me. I also very much appreciate the management at work who are supportive and pro active in helping make the downshift happen.

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« Reply #268 on: December 07, 2021, 02:49:32 PM »
- why you did it?
Had enough to FIRE, gave my notice around the same time my boss got an incurable brain cancer.   When he passed before my FIRE date, the new boss begged me to stay on at least part time to help him transition

- what your downshift looks like?

Getting full time benefits and 30 hr/week pay for approximately 10 - 15 hours work plus the occasional several day business trips.

- what do you like about it?

A ton of time to work out, travel for local sport and leisure and can really spend a lot of time resotring antique tools which is my main hobby. 


- what isn't so awesome about it?

Having mandatory meetings and training that keep us from doing long travel (month long plus).

- what are your plans going forward around downshifting and FIRE?  Final retirement date in Feb 2022.  After six months off will do consulting for the same company.  2 - 3 month contracts will allow a lot of time for long distance travel with no rushing back home. 

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« Reply #269 on: December 15, 2021, 05:00:30 AM »
- why you did it?
Had enough to FIRE, gave my notice around the same time my boss got an incurable brain cancer.   When he passed before my FIRE date, the new boss begged me to stay on at least part time to help him transition

- what your downshift looks like?

Getting full time benefits and 30 hr/week pay for approximately 10 - 15 hours work plus the occasional several day business trips.

- what do you like about it?

A ton of time to work out, travel for local sport and leisure and can really spend a lot of time resotring antique tools which is my main hobby. 


- what isn't so awesome about it?

Having mandatory meetings and training that keep us from doing long travel (month long plus).

- what are your plans going forward around downshifting and FIRE?  Final retirement date in Feb 2022.  After six months off will do consulting for the same company.  2 - 3 month contracts will allow a lot of time for long distance travel with no rushing back home.

i'm giving my formal notice to retire up chain the first week of Jan.  People who work for me and laterally know of my plans but I haven't told management.  I'm often asked what would make me stay and its a pretty similar situation to yours pay me full time and i work as i please.  I would not come to mandatory meetings or trainings though thats something that appears to be exploding at my company.  Many have asked if I'd just stick around to consult where my strengths lie.  I'd consider it but i doubt they will pay me what i expect to be paid for these consulting timeframes and i'd treat it far more like a when i want to thing vs 2-3 month contracts.  All this to say, while my peers and reports would like me to stick around in a mentorship capacity I don't see the company and myself agreeing to a situation that I'd say yes to.  Its interesting the responses I'm getting from the people I work with the most but I have a feeling management will likely not attempt to retain me in any capacity which I'm perfectly ok with.

I currently cannot stand the idea of being required to be somewhere doing something at some time.  Similar to MMMs latest podcast appearance. It's been my main driver for FIRE.  8 hours butts in seats is not for me. 

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Re: Calling all downshifters!
« Reply #270 on: December 15, 2021, 12:09:46 PM »
That's a good open question, anyone regret downshifting and gone back to 40 hours?

I wouldn't say I regret downshifting, but with so many well-paying WFH jobs available now, I am tempted to go back. Like perhaps I could make more money with minimal extra effort, compared to what I set up before COVID. On the flip side, I'm worried that my over-achieving, people-pleasing habits will kick in and then I'll be back in a stressful situation.

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Re: Calling all downshifters!
« Reply #271 on: December 15, 2021, 05:18:27 PM »
congrats no one seems to ever regret this choice.

I sure haven't!  That's a good open question, anyone regret downshifting and gone back to 40 hours?

I certainly didn't, and while my partner didn't regret the decision to drop to 32 hours a week she did go back to back to 40 hours a week for a few months.  Her team had a major delivery of software to support an event that couldn't be moved and she really liked the people on the team.  For their sake she wanted the event to be successful.  After the delivery she went back to 32. 


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Re: Calling all downshifters!
« Reply #272 on: December 16, 2021, 02:02:41 PM »
That's a good open question, anyone regret downshifting and gone back to 40 hours?

I wouldn't say I regret downshifting, but with so many well-paying WFH jobs available now, I am tempted to go back. Like perhaps I could make more money with minimal extra effort, compared to what I set up before COVID. On the flip side, I'm worried that my over-achieving, people-pleasing habits will kick in and then I'll be back in a stressful situation.

This is me -- I was planning to downshift next year, but I'm having second thoughts.  I suspect I might feel more stress (trying to fit more work into less time) and I kind of love being "at work" and being able to do financial stuff and other computer work.  I WFH, and I take plenty of breaks and workout at my (extended) lunch hour.  I also get 29 days off per year (plus 10 holidays) and I am forced to take them (whereas in my last job I just banked them and got paid out).  I'm very good about working no more than 40 hours a week and not checking email off hours.  I just started this arrangement in August, and I'm thinking that I might just keep doing it until I'm ready to fully retire, rather than trying to figure out a reduced schedule.  We'll see!

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Re: Calling all downshifters!
« Reply #273 on: December 16, 2021, 02:15:04 PM »
That's a good open question, anyone regret downshifting and gone back to 40 hours?

I wouldn't say I regret downshifting, but with so many well-paying WFH jobs available now, I am tempted to go back. Like perhaps I could make more money with minimal extra effort, compared to what I set up before COVID. On the flip side, I'm worried that my over-achieving, people-pleasing habits will kick in and then I'll be back in a stressful situation.

This is me -- I was planning to downshift next year, but I'm having second thoughts.  I suspect I might feel more stress (trying to fit more work into less time) and I kind of love being "at work" and being able to do financial stuff and other computer work.  I WFH, and I take plenty of breaks and workout at my (extended) lunch hour.  I also get 29 days off per year (plus 10 holidays) and I am forced to take them (whereas in my last job I just banked them and got paid out).  I'm very good about working no more than 40 hours a week and not checking email off hours.  I just started this arrangement in August, and I'm thinking that I might just keep doing it until I'm ready to fully retire, rather than trying to figure out a reduced schedule.  We'll see!

i am a manager so most of my work can be outsourced, i've also been very efficient my whole career and clearly had tons of time to post places like here.  so when i cut my hours albeit i did have a couple things come up on my friday's off i did take care of as needed.  It didnt increase my work load per hour.  It just gave me a whole extra day off.  which i'd never give back.  We all know there are only so many productive hours in a week and its not even close to 40 so going to 4, 9s allowed me to take a day off a week for a 10% paycut.

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« Reply #274 on: December 20, 2021, 07:58:47 AM »
Got official approval to go to 4 days/week, so I'm effectively now a down-shifter.  Every Friday off, 3-day weekends every week, and full benefits.  What's not to love? 

Eventually I hope to move to a 3-day per week schedule, but I'm a federal government employee and those are rather uncommon.

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« Reply #275 on: December 22, 2021, 10:16:29 AM »
Got official approval to go to 4 days/week, so I'm effectively now a down-shifter.  Every Friday off, 3-day weekends every week, and full benefits.  What's not to love? 

Eventually I hope to move to a 3-day per week schedule, but I'm a federal government employee and those are rather uncommon.

A holiday weekend....every weekend. Sweet. Will they be tempted to add workload "density" to your 4 days in response?

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« Reply #276 on: December 22, 2021, 10:43:15 AM »
I have browsed through this thread over the time of its existence, but for some reason never responded to it (at least I don't think so, but I'm too lazy to go through all six pages to make sure).

I downshifted once in 2016, when I left my tenured full professor/department chair position at a four-year comprehensive university because it sucked. I won't get into all the ways it sucked, but suffice it to say I have not had one millisecond of regret since I drove away from that campus and never went back.

The "downshift" was that I went from that to full-time fiction writing. It was still a "full-time" job in my mind because I didn't have other employment, but I have not worked more than 35 hours a week since then, and these days work about 25-30. My plan is to do this for about five more years, but taper off even more, gradually.

To answer the questions in the OP:

- why you did it? See above paragraph about the suckage of academia

- what your downshift looks like? See above paragraph, lol

- what do you like about it? Um, everything? My favorite thing is that Sunday nights no longer send me into a funk, and I never have to get up in the morning and slog through a shower, getting ready, and a half-hour commute. Oh, and no more grading. Grading is the worst. And also, being my own boss, and having my time be my own. And getting to go on a relaxed morning walk every single day. Oh, and that we can take vacations any time of the year, instead of just summer or the the period between Christmas and about January 15. Really, there is so little that I don't prefer about this life.

- what isn't so awesome about it? Well, the self-employment thing does come with its own downside. I left academia because I was starting to feel like a slave to the job. And the concept of autonomy is a large part of the reason a lot of people are attracted to academia in the first place. I now have autonomy for sure, but it has been an adjustment to not push myself too hard and become a slave to my own self. I've gotten a lot better at that over the years.

- what are your plans going forward around downshifting and FIRE?

So, I quit my academic job at 49. That felt a lot like FIRE to me because my husband still had a job and I knew that if I never made another penny, we'd still be okay. Turned out, I was able to make more writing than I ever did at teaching, so in the end, I was able to retire my DH three years ago. Now he's retired, and I have a job where I can work part-time and make a full-time income. Since this job isn't particularly stressful, I'm content to do it basically like this for five more years, at which point I'll be 60. Then, my idea is I'll stop writing and then just manage my IP/marketing on about 10 hours a week. Or not. Who knows? The nice part is, it doesn't really matter. I can do what I want.

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« Reply #277 on: December 25, 2021, 08:34:18 AM »
Got official approval to go to 4 days/week, so I'm effectively now a down-shifter.  Every Friday off, 3-day weekends every week, and full benefits.  What's not to love? 

Eventually I hope to move to a 3-day per week schedule, but I'm a federal government employee and those are rather uncommon.

A holiday weekend....every weekend. Sweet. Will they be tempted to add workload "density" to your 4 days in response?

Hopefully not!  I have a really good supervisor.  Plus, I've been in the same job for 4+ years and pretty much know the workload and the requirements.  I actually volunteer for various things when I have extra time. 

Really happy to have found MMM and this forum.  It has literally changed my life.

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« Reply #278 on: February 05, 2022, 05:02:15 AM »
I've been following this thread for awhile, waiting for the day I could share my downshifting story.  That day has come!  This week, I put in notice to leave my full time family physician job.

why you did it?
Both my wife and I have been working 60 hour weeks with two young kids at home for 6 years.  The juggling act was painful, and I could just see their childhood slipping by.  As we had financially reached a point in which we could clearly coast-FI, and corporate medicine became increasingly stifling and insufferable, it became more a question of why not.

what your downshift looks like?
I will have an amalgam of per diem jobs.  Planning to work 4 days per month for one clinic, and 3-4 days/month teaching.  I'll have a handful of work from smaller projects on the side, but that's about it.

what do you like about it?
More time with the kids, more time by myself.  Time to take on personal projects, get outdoors and live a bit.  Common denominator = time.

what isn't so awesome about it?
Leaving my colleagues and patients.  Severed personal relationships.  Feeling as though I am neglecting my obligation to my community and society in a time of such need, but also realizing that one person cannot solve the world's problems.

what are your plans going forward around downshifting and FIRE?
I will work per diem, my wife will continue in her full time job, for about 2 years, after which we plan to move abroad for a few years.


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« Reply #279 on: February 05, 2022, 05:14:07 AM »
I've been following this thread for awhile, waiting for the day I could share my downshifting story.  That day has come!  This week, I put in notice to leave my full time family physician job.

why you did it?
Both my wife and I have been working 60 hour weeks with two young kids at home for 6 years.  The juggling act was painful, and I could just see their childhood slipping by.  As we had financially reached a point in which we could clearly coast-FI, and corporate medicine became increasingly stifling and insufferable, it became more a question of why not.

what your downshift looks like?
I will have an amalgam of per diem jobs.  Planning to work 4 days per month for one clinic, and 3-4 days/month teaching.  I'll have a handful of work from smaller projects on the side, but that's about it.

what do you like about it?
More time with the kids, more time by myself.  Time to take on personal projects, get outdoors and live a bit.  Common denominator = time.

what isn't so awesome about it?
Leaving my colleagues and patients.  Severed personal relationships.  Feeling as though I am neglecting my obligation to my community and society in a time of such need, but also realizing that one person cannot solve the world's problems.

what are your plans going forward around downshifting and FIRE?
I will work per diem, my wife will continue in her full time job, for about 2 years, after which we plan to move abroad for a few years.

Congrats, that sounds awesome.  What I think I may like best about your plan is how its a couple of different income streams (and the hours even within the income streams seem controllable), so if in a year or more you decide one part takes up too much head space, time, or is just not as enjoyable anymore you can quit it without quitting the rest..i.e. your downshifting plan seems to have many gears to work with.

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« Reply #280 on: February 05, 2022, 11:10:52 AM »
I've been following this thread for awhile, waiting for the day I could share my downshifting story.  That day has come!  This week, I put in notice to leave my full time family physician job.

why you did it?
Both my wife and I have been working 60 hour weeks with two young kids at home for 6 years.  The juggling act was painful, and I could just see their childhood slipping by.  As we had financially reached a point in which we could clearly coast-FI, and corporate medicine became increasingly stifling and insufferable, it became more a question of why not.

what your downshift looks like?
I will have an amalgam of per diem jobs.  Planning to work 4 days per month for one clinic, and 3-4 days/month teaching.  I'll have a handful of work from smaller projects on the side, but that's about it.

what do you like about it?
More time with the kids, more time by myself.  Time to take on personal projects, get outdoors and live a bit.  Common denominator = time.

what isn't so awesome about it?
Leaving my colleagues and patients.  Severed personal relationships.  Feeling as though I am neglecting my obligation to my community and society in a time of such need, but also realizing that one person cannot solve the world's problems.

what are your plans going forward around downshifting and FIRE?
I will work per diem, my wife will continue in her full time job, for about 2 years, after which we plan to move abroad for a few years.

Welcome to the club. Now that's a downshift! Sounds wonderful compared to 60hr weeks. Hope it works out perfectly. Congrats.

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« Reply #281 on: February 05, 2022, 12:07:27 PM »
It seems like corporate everything is becoming increasingly stifling and insufferable.  Surely there must be some way around this.

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« Reply #282 on: February 05, 2022, 12:34:57 PM »
It seems like corporate everything is becoming increasingly stifling and insufferable.  Surely there must be some way around this.
This whole thread seems to be the way around this. It seems that for manufacturing and production driven fields there is a strong economy of scale and gained efficiencies. For fields where individuals have to do complex brain work it almost seems the inverse is true.... and ultimately terrible and stifling.

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« Reply #283 on: February 05, 2022, 12:54:24 PM »
@Glenstache thatís an insightful observation, and thatís definitely what Iím feeling.  Very interesting.

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« Reply #284 on: February 05, 2022, 04:43:12 PM »
@Glenstache +1 on that.  I also hadn't considered this perspective, but it makes sense.  Cognitive fields by their nature require creativity and free-thinking.  To try and homogenize this in a corporate setting is counter productive. 

Thanks all for the congratulations and support.

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« Reply #285 on: February 10, 2022, 09:12:58 AM »
The juggling act was painful, and I could just see their childhood slipping by. 

Absolutely this. You cant buy their childhood back after you've missed it.

Similar reason for me. I was always working to save up for something, covid caused me to stop and I could not remember what I was saving up for.

I'm now 4 months into a 3 day week now and its paradise. I have time and energy to spend reading with the kids etc, 2 spare days in the week to do other work and the weekends free and I'm not exhausted.

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« Reply #286 on: February 10, 2022, 01:00:04 PM »
I'm getting ready to put in a request to my employer to shift to 4 days a week schedule. Although I really enjoy the subject matter of my relatively new job (I joined the firm 14 months ago) and find my work colleagues and the work culture excellent, I'm running out of steam. I'm going on 58, I've been working full time with long hours (I'm a lawyer) almost non-stop (only one one-year break) for 30 years, and I've been the sole income earner in the household for many of those years.

I've realized that in the past couple of years I've lost my motivation to pursue my passions (photography and animal rescue). I need some time and psychological space to rekindle those interests.

We are comfortably FI but would like to pad the retirement budget a little more. Also, I do really like what I do and I get paid a LOT to do it. I just want to do less of it. I have a performance review coming up, and I also expect to hear from my bosses what their plan is in terms of adding more staff to my practice area. I'm aiming to make the request to go 80% by the end of Q1.

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« Reply #287 on: March 19, 2022, 02:07:09 PM »
I'm getting ready to put in a request to my employer to shift to 4 days a week schedule. Although I really enjoy the subject matter of my relatively new job (I joined the firm 14 months ago) and find my work colleagues and the work culture excellent, I'm running out of steam. I'm going on 58, I've been working full time with long hours (I'm a lawyer) almost non-stop (only one one-year break) for 30 years, and I've been the sole income earner in the household for many of those years.

I've realized that in the past couple of years I've lost my motivation to pursue my passions (photography and animal rescue). I need some time and psychological space to rekindle those interests.

We are comfortably FI but would like to pad the retirement budget a little more. Also, I do really like what I do and I get paid a LOT to do it. I just want to do less of it. I have a performance review coming up, and I also expect to hear from my bosses what their plan is in terms of adding more staff to my practice area. I'm aiming to make the request to go 80% by the end of Q1.

Well, my dream of asking to downshift had to get put on hold almost as soon as I made this post. But the reasons for downshifting soon (if not "tomorrow") have become more pressing.

In the past few months, my sister and I have been supporting my dad as he goes through bladder cancer treatment - and when I made the post above, he had finished chemo and radiation and had come through the treatment better than expected. We don't know if he's clear of cancer yet (we'll find out in a month or so), but at least the treatment didn't kill him or completely wipe him out. 

A few days after I made the post above, my stepmother began to experience such excruciating pain in her chest and back that she had to go to the ER. She had been experiencing some pain in the past few months but her chest X-ray had been clear in December and the doctors had diagnosed her with a spinal fracture relating to osteoporosis.

It turns out that she the melanoma she had been treated for in 2020 had metastasized EVERYWHERE, very quickly, and she now has cancer in her liver, spine, lungs and brain. She was told she has weeks to a few months to live.

So now, her two adult children (who are juggling childcare plus difficult job situations and/or health problems) and my sister and I are supporting my stepmother and dad as they navigate this transition. My dad and stepmother are financially on very solid ground and we live in Canada, so thank goodness healthcare is relatively inexpensive and MAID (medical assistance in dying) is available. There is a lot of grieving going on, but there are financial cushions and compassionate systems in place to make this diffcult process easier.

But now I'm balancing my work with the need to fly cross-country every few weeks to provide various kinds of support. I'm glad for the opportunity to do so, and I'm also glad that my employer is very understanding and has given me the flexibility to work wherever and whenever I want - or to not work if I choose to do so. 

So, for now, I'm working full-time when I'm at home (but with lighter expectations regarding time-sensitive or stressful work) and part-time when I'm in B.C. I anticipate that I'll need to take some bereavement leave later this spring to help my dad. But for now, it's not practicable to shift to a formal 4-days a week schedule. And my high income is helping cover the unexpected costs associated with frequent travel etc.

At the same time, my motivation to achieve better work-life balance is strong than ever. My own mother died at a relatively young age (67), very soon after she retired from work. I am going to downshift and then retire when I'm still healthy enough to enjoy the time I have left.

So, now my plan is to reconsider the 4-day schedule either in Q3 or Q4 depending on how our family situation evolves in the next few months.

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« Reply #288 on: March 19, 2022, 02:13:51 PM »
I'm getting ready to put in a request to my employer to shift to 4 days a week schedule. Although I really enjoy the subject matter of my relatively new job (I joined the firm 14 months ago) and find my work colleagues and the work culture excellent, I'm running out of steam. I'm going on 58, I've been working full time with long hours (I'm a lawyer) almost non-stop (only one one-year break) for 30 years, and I've been the sole income earner in the household for many of those years.

I've realized that in the past couple of years I've lost my motivation to pursue my passions (photography and animal rescue). I need some time and psychological space to rekindle those interests.

We are comfortably FI but would like to pad the retirement budget a little more. Also, I do really like what I do and I get paid a LOT to do it. I just want to do less of it. I have a performance review coming up, and I also expect to hear from my bosses what their plan is in terms of adding more staff to my practice area. I'm aiming to make the request to go 80% by the end of Q1.

Well, my dream of asking to downshift had to get put on hold almost as soon as I made this post. But the reasons for downshifting soon (if not "tomorrow") have become more pressing.

In the past few months, my sister and I have been supporting my dad as he goes through bladder cancer treatment - and when I made the post above, he had finished chemo and radiation and had come through the treatment better than expected. We don't know if he's clear of cancer yet (we'll find out in a month or so), but at least the treatment didn't kill him or completely wipe him out. 

A few days after I made the post above, my stepmother began to experience such excruciating pain in her chest and back that she had to go to the ER. She had been experiencing some pain in the past few months but her chest X-ray had been clear in December and the doctors had diagnosed her with a spinal fracture relating to osteoporosis.

It turns out that she the melanoma she had been treated for in 2020 had metastasized EVERYWHERE, very quickly, and she now has cancer in her liver, spine, lungs and brain. She was told she has weeks to a few months to live.

So now, her two adult children (who are juggling childcare plus difficult job situations and/or health problems) and my sister and I are supporting my stepmother and dad as they navigate this transition. My dad and stepmother are financially on very solid ground and we live in Canada, so thank goodness healthcare is relatively inexpensive and MAID (medical assistance in dying) is available. There is a lot of grieving going on, but there are financial cushions and compassionate systems in place to make this diffcult process easier.

But now I'm balancing my work with the need to fly cross-country every few weeks to provide various kinds of support. I'm glad for the opportunity to do so, and I'm also glad that my employer is very understanding and has given me the flexibility to work wherever and whenever I want - or to not work if I choose to do so. 

So, for now, I'm working full-time when I'm at home (but with lighter expectations regarding time-sensitive or stressful work) and part-time when I'm in B.C. I anticipate that I'll need to take some bereavement leave later this spring to help my dad. But for now, it's not practicable to shift to a formal 4-days a week schedule. And my high income is helping cover the unexpected costs associated with frequent travel etc.

At the same time, my motivation to achieve better work-life balance is strong than ever. My own mother died at a relatively young age (67), very soon after she retired from work. I am going to downshift and then retire when I'm still healthy enough to enjoy the time I have left.

So, now my plan is to reconsider the 4-day schedule either in Q3 or Q4 depending on how our family situation evolves in the next few months.

I'm so sorry to hear the difficult medical news in your family. That is truly difficult. I'm glad you have the resources and support to have a difficult situation not be even more difficult.

Your story resonates with me for a number of reasons. My mother was diagnosed with ALS at 65 within months of having retired. She still managed to do a lot of her retirement plans, but obviously with much diminished health and capacity. It is a big motivator for me to downshift now and enjoy life when able. Having had surgery to remove melanoma a couple of years ago myself, your post is an additional reminder to enjoy while I can.

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« Reply #289 on: March 19, 2022, 06:45:18 PM »
@Anon-E-Mouze, I am so very sorry for all you & your family are dealing with. As if one medical crisis werenít enough, to have two such serious matters at virtually the same time must be incredibly difficult. Please donít forget to take care of yourself, as much as you can.

Out of curiosity, may I ask what treatment your stepmother previously had for the melanoma? Had it been at a stage that required chemo or radiation?

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« Reply #290 on: March 19, 2022, 06:59:21 PM »
@Anon-E-Mouze, I am so very sorry for all you & your family are dealing with. As if one medical crisis werenít enough, to have two such serious matters at virtually the same time must be incredibly difficult. Please donít forget to take care of yourself, as much as you can.

Out of curiosity, may I ask what treatment your stepmother previously had for the melanoma? Had it been at a stage that required chemo or radiation?

She had surgery and was advised that everything was clear, and that no chemo or radiation was needed.

Adding to the family health saga, my sister (who was doing the lion's share of the caregiving, because she lives the closest and also just retired from a 30-year nursing career) had her own medical emergency in mid-January, while my dad was undergoing treatment. She had to have emergency life-saving surgery for a bowel obstruction, with her condition going from "uncomfortable' to "life-threatening" over the course of a couple of days. (Thankfully, she went to "her own" hospital's ER, where she's well-known. She got seen relatively quickly and then whisked almost straight into surgery.)

And while my own situation is trivial in comparison, I've been dealing with some difficult dental issues, which I'd stupidly put off during COVID, and now I've had one root canal with another on the agenda.  So I'm "looking forward" to putting my company-provided dental insurance to good use in the next year or so before I retire.

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« Reply #291 on: March 19, 2022, 07:33:41 PM »
Oh gosh, I am so very sorry. What a difficult time you all are going through. Hoping things get better.

Thanks for the info on your stepmom. I asked because Iíve had melanoma twice, both requiring only surgery and no further treatment. What your stepmom is going through is my worst fear.

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« Reply #292 on: March 22, 2022, 01:29:30 PM »
Well, my dream of asking to downshift had to get put on hold almost as soon as I made this post. But the reasons for downshifting soon (if not "tomorrow") have become more pressing.

In the past few months, my sister and I have been supporting my dad as he goes through bladder cancer treatment - and when I made the post above, he had finished chemo and radiation and had come through the treatment better than expected. We don't know if he's clear of cancer yet (we'll find out in a month or so), but at least the treatment didn't kill him or completely wipe him out. 

A few days after I made the post above, my stepmother began to experience such excruciating pain in her chest and back that she had to go to the ER. She had been experiencing some pain in the past few months but her chest X-ray had been clear in December and the doctors had diagnosed her with a spinal fracture relating to osteoporosis.

It turns out that she the melanoma she had been treated for in 2020 had metastasized EVERYWHERE, very quickly, and she now has cancer in her liver, spine, lungs and brain. She was told she has weeks to a few months to live.

So now, her two adult children (who are juggling childcare plus difficult job situations and/or health problems) and my sister and I are supporting my stepmother and dad as they navigate this transition. My dad and stepmother are financially on very solid ground and we live in Canada, so thank goodness healthcare is relatively inexpensive and MAID (medical assistance in dying) is available. There is a lot of grieving going on, but there are financial cushions and compassionate systems in place to make this diffcult process easier.

But now I'm balancing my work with the need to fly cross-country every few weeks to provide various kinds of support. I'm glad for the opportunity to do so, and I'm also glad that my employer is very understanding and has given me the flexibility to work wherever and whenever I want - or to not work if I choose to do so. 

So, for now, I'm working full-time when I'm at home (but with lighter expectations regarding time-sensitive or stressful work) and part-time when I'm in B.C. I anticipate that I'll need to take some bereavement leave later this spring to help my dad. But for now, it's not practicable to shift to a formal 4-days a week schedule. And my high income is helping cover the unexpected costs associated with frequent travel etc.

At the same time, my motivation to achieve better work-life balance is strong than ever. My own mother died at a relatively young age (67), very soon after she retired from work. I am going to downshift and then retire when I'm still healthy enough to enjoy the time I have left.

So, now my plan is to reconsider the 4-day schedule either in Q3 or Q4 depending on how our family situation evolves in the next few months.

Damn. I'm really sorry. I hope things work out for you guys the best they can under the circumstances. A coworker's husband, who's 56, was just diagnosed with stage 4 lymphoma. Life seems like a run through a pinball machine sometimes.

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« Reply #293 on: March 22, 2022, 04:06:00 PM »
Dodged a bullet last week. Came into work to learn that the coworker that alternates work weeks with me had decided to reduce to PRN status the week before. Two of the 3 supervisors above me had wanted to merge our shifts back into 1 FT position. Lucky for me, the third is the top dog, and she decided to keep it as is until I leave it :). Still, it was concerning to know this was all talked about and decided before I even knew any of this was going down. They sat me down and asked me if I'd consider coming back FT. Told them I wasn't interested, but if I had to, I'd start unwinding my huge pool of pto and retire earlier than I had planned. I love my leadership, but they seemed genuinely perplexed that I didn't want to be FT, working 3-11:30pm M-F.

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« Reply #294 on: May 19, 2022, 07:07:47 PM »
DH has finally had his downshifting confirmed. His income will certainly pay the bills for another year, and there will even be some additional savings. But I am kind of freaking out trying to optimize those savings the same way we have for the last decade, now that we won't have enough income to do everything. This is ridiculous. The order of investments just won't make or break us over the course of one year. I need to chill. Focus on moving out of the condo and other more immediate things ...but those pretty VTI shares are looking so cheap!!

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« Reply #295 on: June 04, 2022, 02:34:32 PM »
Loved binge-reading through this thread!

I had planned to retire this July but with all the uncertainty around the markets and real estate (which is the bulk of our 'stache) I was getting a little nervous.  When I told my company my plans they asked if full remote would make me change my mind...It suddenly popped in my head to ask for remote, three days a week as well as flexibility around the travelling we had already planned on doing over this next year.  The director waved her hand and said not a problem!

We're still formalizing it, but fingers crossed it will all go through.  It will be perfect for me - and a nice transition.  It gives us time should things go south so we don't have to sell anything in a deep downturn... no commuting, and best of all four day weekends every weekend!  I don't know why I didn't think to ask for this in the first place!! 

Truth be told I'm not sure they would have agreed to this let alone suggested it but for the unusually huge turnover our IT shop has been having  (very unusual for them). I have a lot of history in my head and my absence would have been noticed. 

Lucky Me!

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« Reply #296 on: June 05, 2022, 08:59:53 AM »
DH has finally had his downshifting confirmed. His income will certainly pay the bills for another year, and there will even be some additional savings. But I am kind of freaking out trying to optimize those savings the same way we have for the last decade, now that we won't have enough income to do everything. This is ridiculous. The order of investments just won't make or break us over the course of one year. I need to chill. Focus on moving out of the condo and other more immediate things ...but those pretty VTI shares are looking so cheap!!

Congrats on turning the page! Yes, chill out :). Enjoy being able to focus on those other things. I feel ya though....there's a certain MMM itch you get when stocks have sale tags attached.

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« Reply #297 on: June 05, 2022, 09:07:26 AM »
Loved binge-reading through this thread!

I had planned to retire this July but with all the uncertainty around the markets and real estate (which is the bulk of our 'stache) I was getting a little nervous.  When I told my company my plans they asked if full remote would make me change my mind...It suddenly popped in my head to ask for remote, three days a week as well as flexibility around the travelling we had already planned on doing over this next year.  The director waved her hand and said not a problem!

We're still formalizing it, but fingers crossed it will all go through.  It will be perfect for me - and a nice transition.  It gives us time should things go south so we don't have to sell anything in a deep downturn... no commuting, and best of all four day weekends every weekend!  I don't know why I didn't think to ask for this in the first place!! 

Truth be told I'm not sure they would have agreed to this let alone suggested it but for the unusually huge turnover our IT shop has been having  (very unusual for them). I have a lot of history in my head and my absence would have been noticed. 

Lucky Me!

Sweet. Great time to be negotiating. That's going to be a nice setup, and a great bridge to full ER. Let us know how it goes!

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Re: Calling all downshifters!
« Reply #298 on: October 18, 2022, 10:51:28 AM »
Happy to report that as of today, I joined the ranks of downshifters.

We are at 85% of the magic number, and it would make sense to tough it out to the full FIRE. But COVID and the war in the place I'm from made me
a) think that the bright future isn't necessarily assured. Might as well live now.
b) less able to concentrate on work for 8 hours every day. Less able to concentrate in general.

So I switched to a contractor's position, with an understanding that I will work close to 4 hour days. I would prefer a 3-day week, but my role is partially support, and it's not really an option. Got a raise to compensate for the loss of benefits, and then a bit on top of that. Plus, my wife moved to a significantly better (and also part-time) job. With that, our income may not be affected all that much.

It was surprisingly easy, and my employer was very supportive. I'm genuinely excited.

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Re: Calling all downshifters!
« Reply #299 on: October 18, 2022, 11:11:08 AM »
Congratulations @GodlessCommie !