Woke Movies

[Metalcat]

Okay, fine.

I'll specify, why hasn't there been a mermaid rom-com in 39 years?? I feel like millenials and Gen Z would love a good mermaid rom-com.

Hey! Maybe they'll remake Splash with a lesbian mermaid and her lover who is in a wheelchair, and in the end they bond over neither of them having functional legs.

Whoa...did I miss my calling as a woke remake writer???

[GuitarStv]

If there's an idea out there, there is internet porn for it.

I call it The Rule of Gimli.

[sonofsven]

Good point! Why *hasn't* there been an adult-oriented mermaid movie in nearly 4 decades???

The Lighthouse, with Willem Dafoe & Robert Pattinson, no less.  (Though it's perhaps a bit of a stretch to call it a mermaid movie, it's at least nautical.)

That was a weird one! I liked it, but it was strange.

[LennStar]

Okay, fine.

I'll specify, why hasn't there been a mermaid rom-com in 39 years?? I feel like millenials and Gen Z would love a good mermaid rom-com.

Hey! Maybe they'll remake Splash with a lesbian mermaid and her lover who is in a wheelchair, and in the end they bond over neither of them having functional legs.

Whoa...did I miss my calling as a woke remake writer???

I know at least 3 anime where there is also a mermaid involved, albeit none as the main character or main interest. One romcom, one harem isekai, one slice of life.
Again, anime beats Hollywood all the time :D

From my limited knowledge it' likely because it's so hard filming that. There was a mermaid (and I am sure love was involved) youth series a few years ago and I read somewhere they had terrible costume problems.

[Raenia]

Okay, fine.

I'll specify, why hasn't there been a mermaid rom-com in 39 years?? I feel like millenials and Gen Z would love a good mermaid rom-com.

Hey! Maybe they'll remake Splash with a lesbian mermaid and her lover who is in a wheelchair, and in the end they bond over neither of them having functional legs.

Whoa...did I miss my calling as a woke remake writer???

What about Shape of Water? That's practically a merman rom com, right? :P

[Metalcat]

Okay, fine.

I'll specify, why hasn't there been a mermaid rom-com in 39 years?? I feel like millenials and Gen Z would love a good mermaid rom-com.

Hey! Maybe they'll remake Splash with a lesbian mermaid and her lover who is in a wheelchair, and in the end they bond over neither of them having functional legs.

Whoa...did I miss my calling as a woke remake writer???

What about Shape of Water? That's practically a merman rom com, right? :P

Dammit, I accidentally deleted my response.

But I was saying that a case could be made for that, yes. And it's a great example of a creative and fresh rehash of an old character.

[By the River]

If there's an idea out there, there is internet porn for it.

I call it The Rule of Gimli.

Also heard of it as Rule 34.  https://xkcd.com/305/

[iris lily]

Okay, fine.

I'll specify, why hasn't there been a mermaid rom-com in 39 years?? I feel like millenials and Gen Z would love a good mermaid rom-com.

Hey! Maybe they'll remake Splash with a lesbian mermaid and her lover who is in a wheelchair, and in the end they bond over neither of them having functional legs.

Whoa...did I miss my calling as a woke remake writer???

What about Shape of Water? That's practically a merman rom com, right? :P

Dammit, I accidentally deleted my response.

But I was saying that a case could be made for that, yes. And it's a great example of a creative and fresh rehash of an old character.

I was very much looking forward to “the shape of water “ and ended up being disappointed with it. I can barely stand Sally Hawkins, and so I had to relax my dislike barrier to her to even start watching it, and then it turned out to be a little too heavy handed in how we were to perceive the sea creature.

[nereo]

Okay, fine.

I'll specify, why hasn't there been a mermaid rom-com in 39 years?? I feel like millenials and Gen Z would love a good mermaid rom-com.

Hey! Maybe they'll remake Splash with a lesbian mermaid and her lover who is in a wheelchair, and in the end they bond over neither of them having functional legs.

Whoa...did I miss my calling as a woke remake writer???

What about Shape of Water? That's practically a merman rom com, right? :P

Dammit, I accidentally deleted my response.

But I was saying that a case could be made for that, yes. And it's a great example of a creative and fresh rehash of an old character.

I was very much looking forward to “the shape of water “ and ended up being disappointed with it. I can barely stand Sally Hawkins, and so I had to relax my dislike barrier to her to even start watching it, and then it turned out to be a little too heavy handed in how we were to perceive the sea creature.

What is it about Sally Hawkins that you dislike to strongly?

[RetiredAt63]

Really all the mobile aquatic characters are done wrong, because none have counter-shading.  So we can certainly have mermaids/mermen of white and colour, all in one individual, dark on top, light on bottom.  After all, even merfolk have to be vulnerable to sharks?  It's the classic way.

https://theminimalistfisherman.com/what-is-countershading/

[Just Joe]

Okay, fine.

I'll specify, why hasn't there been a mermaid rom-com in 39 years?? I feel like millenials and Gen Z would love a good mermaid rom-com.

Hey! Maybe they'll remake Splash with a lesbian mermaid and her lover who is in a wheelchair, and in the end they bond over neither of them having functional legs.

Whoa...did I miss my calling as a woke remake writer???

Well, there was the Aussie mermaid high school drama TV series. Can't remember the name though.

Edit: H2O was the name. Also: https://tvshowpilot.com/fun-posts/tv-shows-about-mermaids/
Its an active genre that I didn't know anything about.

[iris lily]

Okay, fine.

I'll specify, why hasn't there been a mermaid rom-com in 39 years?? I feel like millenials and Gen Z would love a good mermaid rom-com.

Hey! Maybe they'll remake Splash with a lesbian mermaid and her lover who is in a wheelchair, and in the end they bond over neither of them having functional legs.

Whoa...did I miss my calling as a woke remake writer???

What about Shape of Water? That's practically a merman rom com, right? :P

Dammit, I accidentally deleted my response.

But I was saying that a case could be made for that, yes. And it's a great example of a creative and fresh rehash of an old character.

I was very much looking forward to “the shape of water “ and ended up being disappointed with it. I can barely stand Sally Hawkins, and so I had to relax my dislike barrier to her to even start watching it, and then it turned out to be a little too heavy handed in how we were to perceive the sea creature.

What is it about Sally Hawkins that you dislike to strongly?

Her performance in the Jane Austen work “Persuasion” was offputting. It was her facial expressions culminating in the final scene where she runs open mouthed like a fish towards her lover that pushed me over the edge. It was astonishingly bad, but the Director and editor are equally to blame, it is not all on Sally Hawkins.

 I thought she was dumb and unbelievable in the film Happy Go Lucky.

She was reasonably decent in  “the shape of water “as lead actress. I like magical realism and had higher hopes for this film, but I can’t blame her for making it not the film I’d hoped it would be.

She shows up in small parts here and there, largely in independent films. I’m never happy to see her.

[LennStar]

Edit: H2O was the name. Also: https://tvshowpilot.com/fun-posts/tv-shows-about-mermaids/
Its an active genre that I didn't know anything about.

Oh yes, that's the one I was talking about. I never watched it, but is was on this one TV channel for years and years.

[iris lily]

Also, the most legitimately woke movies I've seen aren't remakes, they're movies about diversity issues or are about diverse populations, and A LOT of them win awards:
<snip> Train Spotting, ... Lawrence of Arabia, ..., A Beautiful Mind, ... What's Eating Gilbert Grape, ...

At the risk of being a bit dense, I still don't get at all what a "woke" movie is (and I know it's not Metalcat thas had brought it up initially). Still, as these examples are some of my favourite movies I know well, I even wonder what qualifies as "legitimately woke" in these specific cases? I see these examples as 2 are dramatized historical "reflections" and 2 are socio-economic commentaries.

So, what does count as "legitimately woke" these days? *just wondering*
I mean: What about The Godfather, Schindler's List, Apocalypse Now, Dances with Wolves, Priscilla, Aliens etc? All with social/racial/diverse "messages". But great movies, because of good stories, acting and cinematography ...

"Woke" seems a pretty meaningless and opaque term to describe movies, it seems to me.

Anything that gives responsible representation to a marginalized group or addresses an issue of repression can reasonably be considered "woke" just not according to the right wing insulting version of the word.

It's not opaque or meaningless, it's just not anything to get bent out of shape about.

ETA: "woke" literally pretty much just means being actively conscious of marginalization and oppression, tons of movies actively seek and achieve that goal

The film “moonlight” was beautiful, stunning. And certainly about a marginalized group.

When “Brokeback mountain “the gorgeous and moving film, lost the Oscar to the silly film about race relations “Crash” I was very sad. I love BB  and it’s in my top 10 films of all time.

I suppose “Crash “might be considered a woke film in my parlance ( the right wing insulting version)  because it is pretentious and insincere. It was Hollywood’s idea of racism in LA. What a dumb film.

[Metalcat]

The film “moonlight” was beautiful, stunning. And certainly about a marginalized group.

When “Brokeback mountain “the gorgeous and moving film, lost the Oscar to the silly film about race relations “Crash” I was very sad. I love BB  and it’s in my top 10 films of all time.

I suppose “Crash “might be considered a woke film in my parlance because it is pretentious and insincere. It was Hollywood’s idea of racism in LA. What a dumb film.

Crash was a fucking disaster that I think the entire world got on board with agreeing that it was a piece of shit eventually. I think the entire academy is embarrassed by that mistake that year.

As for what someone consider  "woke" it depends which definition of woke you want to use. If people want to use the right-wing version of using it as an insult, which is designed to belittle the efforts of the folks who coined the term in the first place, they have every right to.

To me, it says something about their values if they choose to use it that way though, especially if they're aware of what the word originally meant.

That would be like if someone turned affirming language about people with disabilities into an insult. It's punching down, IMO.

I get what the right wing use of "woke" is supposed to mean. I understand that it means hamfisted bullshit attempts to pander to progressive values in a way that they find unnecessary and condescending.

But to appropriate a word that is designed to uplift the oppressed and turn it into an insult is just...well... cruel, IMO.

That's just my perspective though.

[PeteD01]

The movie Barbie, endorsed by the American right as being genuinely woke, was a massive box office hit this weekend.
Funny that.


‘Barbie’ dominates the box office, raking in a $155 million opening weekend

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/23/media/barbie-oppenheimer-box-office/index.html

[Psychstache]

But to appropriate a word that is designed to uplift the oppressed and turn it into an insult is just...well... cruel, IMO.

The Cruelty is the Point:

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/27/1010760890/adam-serwer-on-new-book-the-cruelty-is-the-point-in-trump-america

[iris lily]

The movie Barbie, endorsed by the American right as being genuinely woke, was a massive box office hit this weekend.
Funny that.


‘Barbie’ dominates the box office, raking in a $155 million opening weekend

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/23/media/barbie-oppenheimer-box-office/index.html

I won’t argue with that some of are calling this film woke  but in the 5000 references I’ve seen to this movie, I haven’t seen anything woke about it, it is just a silly romp in pink land,

I DID see one joke from the film that makes fun of Ken doll with no genitals but  that is the film itself poking fun at a marginalized group.

Edited to make sense.

[Villanelle]

The movie Barbie, endorsed by the American right as being genuinely woke, was a massive box office hit this weekend.
Funny that.


‘Barbie’ dominates the box office, raking in a $155 million opening weekend

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/23/media/barbie-oppenheimer-box-office/index.html

I won’t argue with that some of are calling this film woke  but in the 5000 references I’ve seen to this movie, I haven’t seen anything woke about it, it is just a silly romp in pink land,

I didn’t see one joke from the film that makes fun of Ken doll with no genitals but  that is the film itself poking fun at a marginalized group.

Most of the articles I've read and the review from someone I know who saw it early are definitely not "silly romp in pink-land".  It sounds like it attempts to make some meaningful statements about the expectations put on women, among other things.  Which makes sense give the director and writer's other projects.  If it were just an animated children's movie come to life, I'd have zero interest, but I really want to see this, based on what I've read about what this movie attempts to say about feminism, cultural expectations, etc. 

Interestingly though, it sounds like this movie may be "woke" in a way that causing the people who object to that kind of thing to not really see it, so they can enjoy a silly pink movie about a doll (and probably only take their daughters, not their sons) and the people who are more open to thinking deeply about "liberal" societal values will pick up on the deeper messages.

Again, I haven't seen it but I read and watched so many reviews and talked with a friend who did, and this is my impression.

[Kris]

The movie Barbie, endorsed by the American right as being genuinely woke, was a massive box office hit this weekend.
Funny that.


‘Barbie’ dominates the box office, raking in a $155 million opening weekend

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/23/media/barbie-oppenheimer-box-office/index.html

I won’t argue with that some of are calling this film woke  but in the 5000 references I’ve seen to this movie, I haven’t seen anything woke about it, it is just a silly romp in pink land,

I didn’t see one joke from the film that makes fun of Ken doll with no genitals but  that is the film itself poking fun at a marginalized group.

Well, the right is losing its mind about how woke it is, so much that Ben Shapiro filmed himself burning Barbies, so…

[PeteD01]

The movie Barbie, endorsed by the American right as being genuinely woke, was a massive box office hit this weekend.
Funny that.


‘Barbie’ dominates the box office, raking in a $155 million opening weekend

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/23/media/barbie-oppenheimer-box-office/index.html

I won’t argue with that some of are calling this film woke  but in the 5000 references I’ve seen to this movie, I haven’t seen anything woke about it, it is just a silly romp in pink land,

I didn’t see one joke from the film that makes fun of Ken doll with no genitals but  that is the film itself poking fun at a marginalized group.

The movie is high camp as far as I can tell, and that would be quite the opposite of silly romp.

[GuitarStv]

The movie Barbie, endorsed by the American right as being genuinely woke, was a massive box office hit this weekend.
Funny that.


‘Barbie’ dominates the box office, raking in a $155 million opening weekend

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/23/media/barbie-oppenheimer-box-office/index.html

I won’t argue with that some of are calling this film woke  but in the 5000 references I’ve seen to this movie, I haven’t seen anything woke about it, it is just a silly romp in pink land,

I didn’t see one joke from the film that makes fun of Ken doll with no genitals but  that is the film itself poking fun at a marginalized group.

Well, the right is losing its mind about how woke it is, so much that Ben Shapiro filmed himself burning Barbies, so…

It's always awesome to see people do this sort of thing.  "I hate your product so much that I'm going to go out and buy some so that I can destroy it . . . thereby increasing demand for your product!"

[Metalcat]

I'm pretty sure Greta Gerwig just felt a phantom pain in her chest at someone thinking her feminist movie isn't woke.

[iris lily]

The movie Barbie, endorsed by the American right as being genuinely woke, was a massive box office hit this weekend.
Funny that.


‘Barbie’ dominates the box office, raking in a $155 million opening weekend

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/23/media/barbie-oppenheimer-box-office/index.html

I won’t argue with that some of are calling this film woke  but in the 5000 references I’ve seen to this movie, I haven’t seen anything woke about it, it is just a silly romp in pink land,

I didn’t see one joke from the film that makes fun of Ken doll with no genitals but  that is the film itself poking fun at a marginalized group.

The movie is high camp as far as I can tell, and that would be quite the opposite of silly romp.

Hunh, is camp really opposite of romp? I don’t think so but your adjective is better. “Camp” is good, better than mine.

[PeteD01]

The movie Barbie, endorsed by the American right as being genuinely woke, was a massive box office hit this weekend.
Funny that.


‘Barbie’ dominates the box office, raking in a $155 million opening weekend

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/23/media/barbie-oppenheimer-box-office/index.html

I won’t argue with that some of are calling this film woke  but in the 5000 references I’ve seen to this movie, I haven’t seen anything woke about it, it is just a silly romp in pink land,

I didn’t see one joke from the film that makes fun of Ken doll with no genitals but  that is the film itself poking fun at a marginalized group.

The movie is high camp as far as I can tell, and that would be quite the opposite of silly romp.

Hunh, is camp really opposite of romp? I don’t think so but your adjective is better. “Camp” is good, better than mine.

Not just camp but high camp, I'd consider silly romp somewhat mindless whereas high camp is anything but.

Of course, high camp may superficially look like just a silly romp and that is kind of the point.

Oh, and if it was a mere silly romp we wouldn't have the Barbie parties.

[Villanelle]

I'm pretty sure Greta Gerwig just felt a phantom pain in her chest at someone thinking her feminist movie isn't woke.

DH thought it was basically a live-action children's story about dolls and cringed in terror when I said I wanted to see it, and also seemed really confused because pretty pretty pink silliness isn't really something I'd pursue.  Once I realized what his perception was and explained and sent him a few articles on it, he not only because willing to see it, but curious enough to be interested.  I think the ads say something about it being a movie for people who love Barbie, and for people who hate Barbie.  I wouldn't say Im in either of those camps, but I think the general sentiment holds.  If you love Barbie, you can view this as just Barbie come to life and how fun is that?  If you hate Barbie because of the ridiculously superficial and unattainable standards, it sounds like the actual plot and writing will resonate with you.  So either way, there's something for you. 

[Kris]

The movie Barbie, endorsed by the American right as being genuinely woke, was a massive box office hit this weekend.
Funny that.


‘Barbie’ dominates the box office, raking in a $155 million opening weekend

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/23/media/barbie-oppenheimer-box-office/index.html

I won’t argue with that some of are calling this film woke  but in the 5000 references I’ve seen to this movie, I haven’t seen anything woke about it, it is just a silly romp in pink land,

I didn’t see one joke from the film that makes fun of Ken doll with no genitals but  that is the film itself poking fun at a marginalized group.

The movie is high camp as far as I can tell, and that would be quite the opposite of silly romp.

Hunh, is camp really opposite of romp? I don’t think so but your adjective is better. “Camp” is good, better than mine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_(style)

[Just Joe]

I'll watch it when it streams for free aka through on the services we subscribe to. Avatgar 2 is on right now. That'll be the one I watch this week.

[partgypsy]

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Haha, true, they are trash. But that is the appeal, it's named "Space Opera" for a reason, and the skin color doesn't play a role in that.
And that is the point, if you do the film not for the trash but for the skin color, than it's something different. The original Star Treck is also trash, even though it had a "revolutionarly" diverse cast so to speak.

I did hear a lot of good things about the Mandalorian. If it ever appears on TV I will give it a chance.

...
Example where it didn't work was in the Star Wars movie where the girl (I am really bad with names, sorry) is the lead. She was just bad (especially at fighting), in a badly written role. She wasn't a "strong female lead" (which I guess was the goal), she just came over as a bit dense and without emotions.
Compare that to e.g. Xena. That was a real trash series, and certainly used "sex sells" and you can critize that. But Xena (once the series found it's way) was a real character with a really good actor. Who also happened to be a strong female lead. And remember, originally she was Hercules side kick. Can't see anyone wanting the Star Treck girl getting a series for her if she would be a sidekick.

.   This is what I was referring to when I said I disagree, original star trek is not trash

[Just Joe]

Perhaps Barbie is woke to the conservatives???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zz8CiMyttU

The outspoken conservatives are a sensitive bunch. Few issues don't lead to stress. 

[Metalcat]

Perhaps Barbie is woke to the conservatives???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zz8CiMyttU

The outspoken conservatives are a sensitive bunch. Few issues don't lead to stress.

It's woke to a lot of progressives too who don't use the term woke as an insult.

[Just Joe]

Yeah, I don't like the term. Eager for this one to fade into history. The non-issue of the moment... Edit: and by that I mean the talking heads attaching the term "woke" to everything that bothers them which seems to be everything lately...

If only they'd find a real task that benefited everyone such as plastic pollution.

[RetiredAt63]

Just saw this and gather this is why some people are so upset about the Barbie movie?

[jinga nation]

Just saw this and gather this is why some people are so upset about the Barbie movie?

Here's why they're upset. Character in pink is making them melt.... oh my!

[Chris Pascale]

Go back and watch our beloved 80's movies like 16 Candles, note the abject racism, and then tell me about new "woke" movies, whatever that means.

Did a Lethal Weapon marathon recently. In the 1st one Mel Gibson says that lesbianism is gross, and in the 4th he gives a guy a hard time for saying people should come into the US via the immigration process.

ETA: It was Danny Glover who gave the guy a hard time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26SremGjT48    I stand corrected.

ETA 2: Idiot that I am, I keep saying Gibson and Glover instead of their characters, Riggs and Murtaugh. Funny enough, as we watched the movies, the kids initially saw Murtaugh (who can't take a bath without being interrupted) and are like, "that's dad," but then they saw Riggs and how "he's just ain't right," and are like, "no, that might be dad." By the time they were at the shooting range, my oldest says, "If these two had a love-child, it would be dad."

When they catch Gary Busey. My oldest says, 'Just shoot him.' Then I, knowing how it ends, said, "no, they should karate fight." The kids laughed, and when Riggs offers him "a shot at the title" it was extra hilarious.

[FLBiker]

But take a movie like "Nope." Is it woke? Fuck yeah, it's woke as hell. It's also probably going to be kicking around lists of the best 100 movies of all time for the next 100 years because it's excellent in every respect.

Thanks for this!  I wanted to see Get Out but I suspect it's too scary for me.  I can't do horror movies at all.  Sounds like Nope might be more my speed. :)

[Chris Pascale]

But take a movie like "Nope." Is it woke? Fuck yeah, it's woke as hell. It's also probably going to be kicking around lists of the best 100 movies of all time for the next 100 years because it's excellent in every respect.

Thanks for this!  I wanted to see Get Out but I suspect it's too scary for me.  I can't do horror movies at all.  Sounds like Nope might be more my speed. :)

Watched Nope and Get Out with my oldest. Enjoyed them both. "Us" looks a little too scary, but I'll probably watch it eventually.

[iris lily]

But take a movie like "Nope." Is it woke? Fuck yeah, it's woke as hell. It's also probably going to be kicking around lists of the best 100 movies of all time for the next 100 years because it's excellent in every respect.

Thanks for this!  I wanted to see Get Out but I suspect it's too scary for me.  I can't do horror movies at all.  Sounds like Nope might be more my speed. :)

I’ll take your word that you can’t do horror, but honestly, Get Out was rather a comedy, a social commentary.

[Chris Pascale]

But take a movie like "Nope." Is it woke? Fuck yeah, it's woke as hell. It's also probably going to be kicking around lists of the best 100 movies of all time for the next 100 years because it's excellent in every respect.

Thanks for this!  I wanted to see Get Out but I suspect it's too scary for me.  I can't do horror movies at all.  Sounds like Nope might be more my speed. :)

I’ll take your word that you can’t do horror, but honestly, Get Out was rather a comedy, a social commentary.

Nope was more like a drama with some action and a couple of laughs. Like, when he punches that child in the head; that was hilarious.

[Cassie]

I didn’t want to see Barbie until a friend described the movie and I changed my mind. It’s funny, silly and definitely makes a point about how women are treated in society. There’s a great musical number towards the end. I was surprised at how much I enjoyed it.

[Just Joe]

Looking forward to streaming Barbie when it becomes available perhaps this winter.

[simonsez]

Add me to the list of "thankful for modern movies".

I enjoy a gold old fashioned cheesy Western every now and then and watched El Dorado for the first time a couple weeks ago.  OMG - the scene where James Caan imitates a Chinese person - WTF!!!???

If woke means a scene like that would never be portrayed on screen again, I'm for it!

[getsorted]

But take a movie like "Nope." Is it woke? Fuck yeah, it's woke as hell. It's also probably going to be kicking around lists of the best 100 movies of all time for the next 100 years because it's excellent in every respect.

Thanks for this!  I wanted to see Get Out but I suspect it's too scary for me.  I can't do horror movies at all.  Sounds like Nope might be more my speed. :)

I’ll take your word that you can’t do horror, but honestly, Get Out was rather a comedy, a social commentary.

Nope was more like a drama with some action and a couple of laughs. Like, when he punches that child in the head; that was hilarious.

I would put "Nope" on a level with "Vertigo" in terms of scariness. More suspense than horror, but a few moments of horror.

[wenchsenior]

Add me to the list of "thankful for modern movies".

I enjoy a gold old fashioned cheesy Western every now and then and watched El Dorado for the first time a couple weeks ago.  OMG - the scene where James Caan imitates a Chinese person - WTF!!!???

If woke means a scene like that would never be portrayed on screen again, I'm for it!

I was listening to a podcast recently where one of the side threads was noting how many Asian women of a certain age have been repeatedly 'jokingly' subjected to the line "Me so horny!" , which became so 'memeified' (days before memes) that I didn't realize it was from a film (Full Metal Jacket, maybe?). Glad most film-makers are more thoughtful now, for sure.

[sonofsven]

Add me to the list of "thankful for modern movies".

I enjoy a gold old fashioned cheesy Western every now and then and watched El Dorado for the first time a couple weeks ago.  OMG - the scene where James Caan imitates a Chinese person - WTF!!!???

If woke means a scene like that would never be portrayed on screen again, I'm for it!

I was listening to a podcast recently where one of the side threads was noting how many Asian women of a certain age have been repeatedly 'jokingly' subjected to the line "Me so horny!" , which became so 'memeified' (days before memes) that I didn't realize it was from a film (Full Metal Jacket, maybe?). Glad most film-makers are more thoughtful now, for sure.

Yes, it was from Full Metal Jacket, which was otherwise an excellent film.
Anti Asian racism was the norm for most of my up bringing, not from my parents but from the overall culture.
Three wars fought against Asian nations by Americans was a big part of it.