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Who actually buys Antique Roadshow stuff?
« on: February 23, 2017, 02:01:54 PM »
I'm on maternity leave and watching a lot more television than usual. My husband likes American Pickers and I favor Antiques Roadshow. Great shows for nursing a baby; they don't require a lot of concentration and you can just leave them on and go do something else.

Anyway, I watch the valuations and appraisals of the stuff on these shows and keep thinking...who buys this stuff? Especially American Pickers. Old gas station signs for hundreds of dollars? Why? When you watch Antiques Roadshow, most of the things I see people bring in that they paid $10 for at a flea market make me say, yeah, $10 sounds about right.

Are there really people out there who spend thousands of dollars on old stuff? Maybe I'm horribly plebeian. It took me six months to allow myself to buy three matching storage baskets from TJ Maxx for $20 to replace my old, moldy, mismatched ones. Maybe I'm the weirdo and there are plenty of people out there who would pay $200 apiece for some nice Navajo baskets like on Roadshow.

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Re: Who actually buys Antique Roadshow stuff?
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2017, 02:42:24 PM »
I certainly don't buy that stuff....but somebody does.

Use ebay to blow your mind!

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Re: Who actually buys Antique Roadshow stuff?
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2017, 12:48:28 AM »
I'm not astonished that people will pay $$$$ for old crap.

While I sometimes agree with the appraisals, I'm not in the market.   I'd rather get a modern knockoff and not worry about the insurance value.

I am mostly amazed that really old (pre-1700) nice, functional furniture is appraised for ~3x or less of the current equivalent item price, which on an inflation basis makes furniture in general a sub-optimal multigenerational investment.

All that said, my wife and I watch Antique Road show religiously (on Sunday mornings).  It is fun to see the appraisers hyperventilate.

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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2017, 01:30:43 AM »
For antique furniture I can understand some of the value.

To remake some finely crafted pieces would take 500 hours. At today's skilled labour rate.of $60 per hour, that's $30,000.

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Re: Who actually buys Antique Roadshow stuff?
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2017, 08:18:03 AM »
I see stuff at our local action house that is a huge bargain. Solid wood furniture that goes for less than imported plywood crap.  Gorgeous Persian hand woven rugs less than they go new in the middle east. I love it. Idiots sending grandma's quality stuff to auction and not caring. Bring it on.

Honestly.  Find your nearest estate sale and scoop up the bargains.

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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2017, 08:53:01 AM »
I actually know a lot of serious collectors, who spend varying amounts of money.

In general, people don't dive in at the $20,000 level. They start out with much smaller, affordable items and gradually work their way up as they learn more...and sometimes their collections appreciate along with them (I can think of two separate people with extremely valuable collections now who specifically took an interest in that area because it was affordable.) It's also pretty common for collections to self-fund in a way--collectors sell some items to fund others. So the cash outlay going into it may not be as big as it looks.

As to why--a lot of them love history and find the experience of basically curating their own museums and living with historic objects to be really fun. There's also a big social component, as with any community with a very specific interest, and the "joy of the hunt" is a part of the human condition, I think. As has been pointed out, there are also lots of opportunities right now to acquire very high-quality items for (relatively speaking) not a lot of money. As the Baby Boomer generation and their older siblings start to downsize, people are finding that in many cases children and grandchildren don't want the items they have accumulated or received from their parents, and so the market is flooding with nice 19th and 20th century items. (Earlier, not so much, as they are rarer--but even those prices are dropping.)

The other thing to remember is that TV appraisals are often very generous. It's not that the appraiser is lying, but they certainly give the most generous upper estimate they can get away with...and in many cases, that's based on market conditions of a few years back that are not applicable now.


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Re: Who actually buys Antique Roadshow stuff?
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2017, 08:54:26 AM »
If you watch those shows with the sound turned on (most TV makes more sense without sound in my experience) on the Antiques Roadshow you will often hear the appraiser cagily qualify the estimate by saying it is the value they would set for insurance purposes.

That disclaimer implicitly assumes that this family inheritance is not going straight to market and includes ample padding for the notional sentimental value of the item in case it is destroyed in some insured disaster- housefire, earthquake, flood, etc.

Note the insured value is not an agreed value that will be paid in case of a loss, but a written appraisal from an expert may give leverage to set the compensable loss amount at the higher end of the range for a unique item rarely seen on the market.

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Re: Who actually buys Antique Roadshow stuff?
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2017, 12:41:28 PM »
On a side note, anyone who visits Nashville ought to budget 15 minutes to visit the American Pickers store. The antiques there are priced similar to the show - and there aren't many. Mostly a T-shirt shop. My teen was disappointed. Likes the show.

I'm a big fan of the well made antiques.

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Re: Who actually buys Antique Roadshow stuff?
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2017, 12:49:24 PM »
I see stuff at our local action house that is a huge bargain. Solid wood furniture that goes for less than imported plywood crap.  Gorgeous Persian hand woven rugs less than they go new in the middle east. I love it. Idiots sending grandma's quality stuff to auction and not caring. Bring it on.

Honestly.  Find your nearest estate sale and scoop up the bargains.
agreed. The bottom has dropped out of the "old brown furniture" market.

Great! That means just more for me.
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Re: Who actually buys Antique Roadshow stuff?
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2017, 12:55:22 PM »
The other thing to remember is that TV appraisals are often very generous. It's not that the appraiser is lying, but they certainly give the most generous upper estimate they can get away with.

You have to keep in mind the business model of these shows.  They're not trying to be a reference source on the value of antiques, they're trying to hook the public audience into watching more.  Of COURSE they inflate the prices.  Why wouldn't they?

Home shows are the same way.  All those house rehab (or flipper or storage unit or pawn) shows don't really care if the dollar values they report are accurate.  There is no motivation for them to be honest, only motivation to make you the audience salivate.  They're expanding their market of customers, and generating revenue by selling you commercials along the way. 

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Re: Who actually buys Antique Roadshow stuff?
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2017, 03:44:45 PM »
I see stuff at our local action house that is a huge bargain. Solid wood furniture that goes for less than imported plywood crap.  Gorgeous Persian hand woven rugs less than they go new in the middle east. I love it. Idiots sending grandma's quality stuff to auction and not caring. Bring it on.

Honestly.  Find your nearest estate sale and scoop up the bargains.

Hell, you don't even need to buy second hand furniture. A lot of it goes for free. Pick up on a drive around during spring cleaning. Reupholster and have it last for another 100 years.

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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2017, 05:38:34 PM »
I see stuff at our local action house that is a huge bargain. Solid wood furniture that goes for less than imported plywood crap.  Gorgeous Persian hand woven rugs less than they go new in the middle east. I love it. Idiots sending grandma's quality stuff to auction and not caring. Bring it on.

Honestly.  Find your nearest estate sale and scoop up the bargains.

Hell, you don't even need to buy second hand furniture. A lot of it goes for free. Pick up on a drive around during spring cleaning. Reupholster and have it last for another 100 years.

The pickings in our alleys are getting worse. 20years ago, solid wood pieces were the norm a d even if they were not my style, they were real.

More and more I see particle board junk. i weep for future generations of alley pickers.
 And freebie hunters.

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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2017, 06:08:13 PM »
I see stuff at our local action house that is a huge bargain. Solid wood furniture that goes for less than imported plywood crap.  Gorgeous Persian hand woven rugs less than they go new in the middle east. I love it. Idiots sending grandma's quality stuff to auction and not caring. Bring it on.

Honestly.  Find your nearest estate sale and scoop up the bargains.
agreed. The bottom has dropped out of the "old brown furniture" market.

Great! That means just more for me.

You gotta grab it before a lady with gallons of chalk paint snatches it up. ;)

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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2017, 06:32:44 PM »
You gotta grab it before a lady with gallons of chalk paint snatches it up. ;)

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Re: Who actually buys Antique Roadshow stuff?
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2017, 07:34:12 PM »
My grandfather was on antiques roadshow. He was very proud of that.

His hobby was antiques. He would often find stuff for a quarter at a thrift store and refinish it and fix it up.

He had a number of things he did pay "full price" for, but mostly it was thrift store finds that he knew the value of. But over his whole life, he maybe bought 20-30 full price antiques.

And when he died they got randomly divided between his 7 kids, 6 of whom donated most of it to Goodwill.





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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2017, 09:08:22 PM »
It also strikes me what a generally crap investment this stuff is. Even the wow pieces where someone bought a nice thing 30 years ago and it's now worth what seems a lot would have made a lot more on equities. 

I like the show for the vicarious people watching.

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Re: Who actually buys Antique Roadshow stuff?
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2017, 09:04:27 AM »
^ See, that's the thing--they'll appraise some piece of furniture for a couple grand and the owner will be all shocked and thrilled, and I'll think...um, you could buy a new furniture thing for exactly the same amount. That furniture thing hasn't appreciated at all.

This is actually true for tons and tons of the things people bring on the show. I get buying the beautiful Navajo baskets purely as consumer items, but they are still consumer items, not investments. Even after a hundred years.

I guess you could make a case for some of the furniture being a good investment because it was made so well back in the day that it actually lasts for a hundred years, unlike the furniture available for the same price now. The sad thing is that back in the day, most of that furniture was probably way more expensive than the price it appraises for now when you account for inflation.

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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2017, 09:14:59 AM »
^ See, that's the thing--they'll appraise some piece of furniture for a couple grand and the owner will be all shocked and thrilled, and I'll think...um, you could buy a new furniture thing for exactly the same amount. That furniture thing hasn't appreciated at all.

This is actually true for tons and tons of the things people bring on the show. I get buying the beautiful Navajo baskets purely as consumer items, but they are still consumer items, not investments. Even after a hundred years.

I guess you could make a case for some of the furniture being a good investment because it was made so well back in the day that it actually lasts for a hundred years, unlike the furniture available for the same price now. The sad thing is that back in the day, most of that furniture was probably way more expensive than the price it appraises for now when you account for inflation.
Furniture is hardly ever an "investment." Like coins, jewels, etc the average American does not buy investment quality pieces.

I live in a Victorian neghborhood where many of us have large old brown
Victorian pieces. Few of them are investment quality. One of my friends does buy investment quality 150 year old furniture. He was bidding on a piece, didnt get  it, and later was surprised to see it in our city's prominent Art museum.  Now THAT is investment quality.

I am excited to think that I could now afford an 18th century chest of drawers made 100 years before the pieces I now have. Its a combination of my old age (not much time left! Haha) and comfortable net worth and low prices in that collecting area. While I probably wont buy one, it is fun to thnk about.
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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2017, 04:29:14 PM »
Right...it's just that the people always look so shocked and pleased that their old chest of drawers is worth $4000 and I always think...yeah, all that thing did was maintain its value. Which is great, but...all the excitement always seems misplaced to me.

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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2017, 04:38:43 PM »
^ See, that's the thing--they'll appraise some piece of furniture for a couple grand and the owner will be all shocked and thrilled, and I'll think...um, you could buy a new furniture thing for exactly the same amount. That furniture thing hasn't appreciated at all.

I guess you could make a case for some of the furniture being a good investment because it was made so well back in the day that it actually lasts for a hundred years, unlike the furniture available for the same price now. The sad thing is that back in the day, most of that furniture was probably way more expensive than the price it appraises for now when you account for inflation.

I think in a lot of the Antiques Roadshow cases, the item was inherited/gifted/thrifted/found so the owner doesn't have a lot of money personally invested. If I bought something for $25 and found out it was worth $2000 I'd be pretty psyched, even if the original owner had paid the same $2000 for it and the worth hadn't changed.

Iris Lily is right, though, most of what actually does have investment value isn't typical of what most people are (or were) buying. Most of the really valuable antique furniture (with the exception of some folk pieces which are rare or unusual) was originally owned by very wealthy people and represented a major investment even at the time. The beautiful craftsman furniture you find in galleries would be a closer analogue than anything you buy at a furniture store.

 

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