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Re: Which is the most Mustachian pet? (In your opinion)
« Reply #50 on: February 06, 2017, 02:33:59 PM »
Here outdoor cats are called Coyote Cookies. In our city we have volunteers that trap, neuter and release the cats. The HS started this and the hope is to reduce the feral population with no more kittens being born.  As others have mentioned outside cats have short, miserable lives.

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Re: Which is the most Mustachian pet? (In your opinion)
« Reply #51 on: February 06, 2017, 03:12:57 PM »
1 - none
2 - rock
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3 - outside cat. They keep down the rodents & bugs. Dogs are fun but destructive and not worth much except to 'scare the burglars' - which is what the 'Protected by S&W' sign is for ;)

Actually, we have a very Mustachian pet-- the neighbor's cat.  Neighbor feeds the cat, deals with his litter box, and takes him to the vet.  Cat comes to our yard for cuddles and snuggles, and scares away varmints.
That's actually what we have. It's great!

3 - outside cat. They keep down the rodents & bugs.

If you don't want a pet that's fine . . . but cats really don't belong outside of your house.  Please, either get a pet and look after it properly or don't get a pet at all.  Throwing a cat outside and occasionally feeding it is not looking after a pet.

Thanks to people around here who have taken your advice and avoid responsibility for their animals we were fighting a large feral population of cats for about four years in our neighbourhood.  There was a point where I needed to regularly trap and bring feral cats to be euthanized . . . these are animals with missing eyes, ears, tails, large open sores, ticks, etc. who have never been socialized to human contact.  I've had them attack my dog in our yard, and was concerned every time I let my son out back to run around.  These cats do not live happy lives in our environment.  They do tend to live long enough to breed before dying though.  As far as we've been able to tell, a population of coyotes moved in last year and has largely wiped out the feral cat colony . . . but I won't be surprised if it's back in a few years given the social acceptability of acting irresponsibly with cats.

Cats create large colonies pretty quickly if they're intact.  Even if they've been spayed/neutered they have a significant impact on birds and small animals in a neighbourhood.  They also don't tend to have great lives outside . . . they get hit by cars, eaten by other animals, pick up lots of parasites and skin diseases, etc.  They are an invasive species and do far more damage than any mice that they may kill.
Huh.  When I was growing up in rural PA, almost all cats were outdoor cats.  They were spayed/ neutered, fed at home and played, but pretty much had the run of the outdoors.

Yes occasionally they got hit by cars.

My experience has mirrored mm1970 in both rural and suburban settings.

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Re: Which is the most Mustachian pet? (In your opinion)
« Reply #52 on: February 06, 2017, 04:24:06 PM »
From my understanding, the average age of an outdoor cat is something like 4 years, while the average age of an indoor cat is 14.  I may not have the ages exactly right, statistically, and of course, there will be some outdoor cats who live longer than average and some indoor ones who die young, but the spread is enough for me to know that I'll never intentionally let my cats outside.

I recently helped a friend trap a sick outdoor cat in his neighbourhood.  I don't want to say feral, because it was socialized enough to know that it had been an owned cat at some point in its life.  But it had been living on the streets for years.  The poor thing had chronic diarrhea for months before my friend caught it, to the point that the hair on the back of its legs was gone and the skin red and inflamed.  My friend had been feeding it for months, and had gotten quite attached.  He was devastated when the Humane Society called to say that the poor thing had gone downhill rapidly, and had to be euthanized.  We'll never know what was wrong, but that's the life of a street cat.  Accident, injury, illness, predation - there's never a pretty end to life for them.

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Re: Which is the most Mustachian pet? (In your opinion)
« Reply #53 on: February 06, 2017, 05:02:59 PM »
We've had outdoor farm dogs that slept in a doghouse full of straw all winter, never got indoors anyplace but the barn, probably only saw a vet a couple times in their life yet seemed as happy and healthy as any pampered, expensive in door lap dog.   Usually got the dog for free, only expense was keeping a big bag of dry dog food around, an occasional collar, and some worm medicine now and then. 

My daughter put $3500 into her little mutt when it got some kind of stomach problem.  I'd have probably just put it down and got another, there's no shortage of free dogs out there.  My sister works at a fancy per store.  Was in there the other day and saw a 30# bag of dog feed for $160, she said they sell plenty of it, confirming that some pet people are crazy.

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Re: Which is the most Mustachian pet? (In your opinion)
« Reply #54 on: February 06, 2017, 09:10:07 PM »
I saw this photo from Seattle Times and thought that maybe a cockatoo might be a good MMM pet if one was gifted to you since you could bike with it. :D
https://www.instagram.com/p/BKV8iKkD9H1/?taken-by=seattletimes

I've never had a pet bird, but they seem pretty cool and the small ones are low cost.

I don't know if you, specifically, need this warning, but I want it in place if anyone else looks to the forums for advice in choosing a pet and casually things a bird might be nice.

Nope nope nope.  It looks like there is a tether going from the cockatoo to the biker's helmet, but either way this is a bad idea.  Parrots spook easily, so if he tries to fly away (which he will try to do whether or not his wing feathers are clipped) he will hit the end of his tether and be hurt.

Birds are cool, but please do not get one unless you do a LOT of research first.  Birds are easily sickened and killed by drafts, atomized sprays/impure air (think canaries in mine shafts), and smoke (especially smoke from accidentally burnt Teflon pans).  The tiny ones (finches, canaries) should be kept in colonies in large flight cages for companionship.  They probably won't become hand-tame, so you can look but not touch.  The small to large parrots require a lot of attention and a lot of toys to chew to shreds.  Their cages should be much larger than you would expect.  If they don't get adequate companionship or become too bored they will start to exhibit stress behaviors such as pulling out their own feathers.

Birds defecate pretty constantly.  It's usually every 10 to 15 minutes for the medium-size parrots.  I think the smaller parakeets and finches might be even more frequent.  No matter how careful you are, you will end up cleaning poop out of the carpet.

Parrots chew constantly.  Parrots, when out of their cage to hang out with you, will wander everywhere and chew on your woodwork, your sofa, your shirt, your rubberized buttons on remote controls and watches...  If you think "Oh, he can't hurt that," you're probably in for a surprise.

Parrots waste half the food you give them.  Anything crunchy will be chewed in such a way that much of it ends up on the floor in crumbs.  Parrots will root through their food dishes, tossing out two to three pieces of food before finding the piece to eat right then (though some of those pieces may later be retrieved).

Birds chatter a lot.  Budgies, canaries, and finches make constant small sounds; there is no peace and quiet.  And the bigger a bird is, the bigger its voice.  Medium-sized parrots and larger will yell when their favorite person leaves the room, to remind you to come back and make sure you are still okay.  They will yell when you are in the room and they would like attention.  Your ears will hurt.

Healthy birds will live longer than one might expect.  Budgies can live 8 to 12 years.  The largest parrots can live past 50.  Birds as a pet are a much longer time commitment than other animals.  They are not a good pet for someone who will be traveling a lot.

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Re: Which is the most Mustachian pet? (In your opinion)
« Reply #55 on: February 07, 2017, 06:08:41 AM »
GuitarStv, that sounds ghastly!  How do the cats survive the cold, though?

Many of them don't.  Those that do will often show severe injury from frostbite.  I like animals, and it deeply disturbs me when people refuse to take personal responsibility for their pets in this manner.

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Re: Which is the most Mustachian pet? (In your opinion)
« Reply #56 on: February 07, 2017, 10:02:29 AM »
Birds chatter a lot.  Budgies, canaries, and finches make constant small sounds; there is no peace and quiet.  And the bigger a bird is, the bigger its voice.  Medium-sized parrots and larger will yell when their favorite person leaves the room, to remind you to come back and make sure you are still okay.  They will yell when you are in the room and they would like attention.  Your ears will hurt.

In the last place I lived, a semi-detached house, the neighbours on the other side had two teenaged boys, and lovebirds (I think).

We almost never heard mom, dad, or boys, but the birds ... the birds we could hear through the shared wall, constantly!

GuitarStv, that sounds ghastly!  How do the cats survive the cold, though?

Many of them don't.  Those that do will often show severe injury from frostbite.  I like animals, and it deeply disturbs me when people refuse to take personal responsibility for their pets in this manner.

Agreed.

We spent all summer catching rabbits - an original three domestic rabbits that had gradually been left to fend for themselves in an urban location, including over a (Canadian!) winter.  And their offspring.  Multiple litters.  By the time we managed to catch all the babies, some of them had started to hit maturity as well. 

The final two that we caught had serious injuries.  One, quite clearly had been in the grip of a predator - probably the adult coyote we'd seen hanging around in the park behind our street, or maybe its babies learning to hunt.  Francis, as we named him after my nephew (didn't know if it was a boy or girl, so could have been Frances or Francis), had infected puncture wounds on the top and bottom of his head.  The second, Mulberry (because a bunch of the others had been given "berry" names at the Humane Society, and we have a mulberry tree in the backyard) had botfly larvae in her neck, and the site had become badly infected. 

Having got to identify the bunnies by their markings, there were at least 3 others that "disappeared" in their first few months of life, either died of illness or predation, or possibly rescued by someone else, though I didn't see anyone else trying to catch them.  And my strong suspicion is the coyote, who was spotted more and more often the more rabbits were around, and hasn't been seen since, once we got them all caught.

All of the rabbits but one have now been adopted out by the wonderful rescue groups that took them off our hands.  The one that is left is the original mom, who after having at least 4-5 litters back to back, has been left with serious health issues.  She's being well cared for at the Toronto Humane Society, but none of this was fair to her, and she deserves a caring home of her own.

So, a little info about domestic rabbits who are wondering if they might be good mustachian pets - they require specialized vet care, because most regular dog and cat vets won't touch them.  They need much larger cages than most people realize, and outside of cage time every day to run around the house.  They chew, a lot sometimes.  They breed young, and repeatedly, but they also strongly need other rabbit companionship, so they absolutely need to be spayed or neutered.

They are the 3rd most abandoned pets, after dogs and cats.  Which tells you that you shouldn't get one lightly...

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Re: Which is the most Mustachian pet? (In your opinion)
« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2017, 03:24:41 PM »
Good read on feral cats and there impact on native species. 

https://www.outsideonline.com/2127956/hawaiis-crazy-war-over-zombie-cats

Here outdoor cats are called Coyote Cookies. In our city we have volunteers that trap, neuter and release the cats. The HS started this and the hope is to reduce the feral population with no more kittens being born.  As others have mentioned outside cats have short, miserable lives.

Article also talks about this.  Basically there has never been a documented instance of a cat group naturally dying off as result of Trap Neuter Release.  The idea sounds good but it does not work.

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Re: Which is the most Mustachian pet? (In your opinion)
« Reply #58 on: February 07, 2017, 07:02:58 PM »
Wow, what a mess! (described in AlanStache's article)

Why are people so messed up?? Why don't they take care of their animals? Who on earth abandons pets? And why can't some people who do care for animals, deal with reality?

Anyway, I wasn't advocating that people keep outdoor cats.  All I meant was that a cheap way to enjoy a cat is to mooch off somebody else's pet.  :(

[edit] On the brighter side, it looks like we have pretty conclusive proof that supporting a feral cat colony is NOT a Mustachian way to have a pet! (read about the lady feeding mahi-mahi to the wild cats near the end of the article)
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Re: Which is the most Mustachian pet? (In your opinion)
« Reply #59 on: February 11, 2017, 03:30:25 AM »
I had a snake for 7 years.
TCO..

200$ - food
120$ - lighting (damn lights kept breaking)
10$ - housing (yay craigslist
10$ - "stuff" for house (yay craigslist!)

At first it cost a bit more to feed him, but once he got to be huge i only fed him once every 2 or 3 months.
The more you feed a snake the quicker it grows and the sooner it does.

In the end, i got rid of it. It did bring some fun, and was a talking point when taking him out in public, but meh...

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Re: Which is the most Mustachian pet? (In your opinion)
« Reply #60 on: February 23, 2017, 08:26:48 AM »
From my understanding, the average age of an outdoor cat is something like 4 years, while the average age of an indoor cat is 14.  I may not have the ages exactly right, statistically, and of course, there will be some outdoor cats who live longer than average and some indoor ones who die young, but the spread is enough for me to know that I'll never intentionally let my cats outside.

Our cats have the best of both - they have cat flaps and can go outside whenever they feel like it. No litter box.

They are old cats now. They spend a few hours outside lurking around the house each day. They prefer to be inside when we are home.

They don't hunt anymore. Used to bring us "treats". Probably two dozen rodents over the course of their hunting years. Pretty lazy. We lived in a wooded area. Not a typical suburb.

They spend just about all the cold weather and night time inside the house. Occasionally I'll hear them get active right before dawn (hear the cat flap).

We also have a rescued dog. Great companion. Not been expensive. Occasional vet trip but not even annually. Shots come via a once or twice a year event where area vets meet people at crossroads to give cheap shots. Had a similar rescued breed before. She wasn't expensive either. Same routines.

We have neighbors with pet birds. We can hear them five houses away if the owners leave their garage windows open. I think they use the garage as a big bird cage. I can't imagine the mess that might represent.
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Re: Which is the most Mustachian pet? (In your opinion)
« Reply #61 on: February 23, 2017, 02:24:37 PM »
I have a cockatiel. She's super cheap to take care for. I pay ~$60 per year for fancy food. I line the bottom of her cage with newspaper that my in-laws give me for free. Bird poop doesn't really stink until there gets to be a lot of it. So if you change the newspaper liner every few days, there's very little smell. She's super healthy and so no vet costs. She's fairly quiet in general too, so that's not an issue.

The only downside is birds do generate a lot of dander because of their feathers. And it gets even worse during the times they're molting. So you have to be willing to vacuum a lot. But you'd have to vacuum a lot with furry animals too.

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Re: Which is the most Mustachian pet? (In your opinion)
« Reply #62 on: February 24, 2017, 01:14:56 AM »
I have a worm compost. They literally eat garbage, I keep them in the basement, can leave them for weeks alone and I use them for fishing, as well as their shit for potting plant. I'm making money actually by transforming garbage into fish and potting soil.

But the best thing is cuddling them of course. They give so much back.

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« Reply #63 on: February 24, 2017, 06:04:44 AM »
I think with indoor/outdoor cats, it partially depends on where you live.  I would not have one because we live on a double line road, and cars go fast.  Our next door neighbor lost a cat to traffic.  My previous cat was a ragdoll which are unsuited for the outdoors because they are more domesticated and have less hunting/fighting instincts.  I could see having an outdoor cat in a more rural area. 

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« Reply #64 on: February 24, 2017, 07:28:52 AM »
I think with indoor/outdoor cats, it partially depends on where you live.  I would not have one because we live on a double line road, and cars go fast.  Our next door neighbor lost a cat to traffic.  My previous cat was a ragdoll which are unsuited for the outdoors because they are more domesticated and have less hunting/fighting instincts.  I could see having an outdoor cat in a more rural area.

What other invasive species do you support releasing into the wild in rural areas?

 

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