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What are blogs worth (in light of DM selling out)
« on: September 28, 2015, 09:25:45 AM »
For all you blog owners, readers, and evaluators.... what is a blog worth and how do you determine it?

Is it possible to determine this based on public information?  What are your estimates as to how much DM sold his blog for and why?

MMM's value and why (some have estimated millions)?

I am curious as to how this works and don't have a clue...partly because blogs making money is still an illusive concept to me? Like Root of Good making $3,000 a month....is it really that simple....link to a bunch of sites and all those pennies add up. I know there is work involved not the least of which is writing good and regular content....

Anyway, if you have a thoughts on the value of any particuliar blog please state it in this thread and explain you reasoning.

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Re: What are blogs worth (in light of DM selling out)
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2015, 09:38:51 AM »
I currently value my blog at a negative amount.  If I was doing it solely for money...a McJob would be better.  Jason obviously has a much wider readership thanks to better writing and a more compelling personal story and better revenue to match (I remember one of his posts came out to about 6 bucks per thousand page views, double what I am able to pull down.) 

I think if I was in the business of buying blogs, I'd be looking to pay some multiple of annual revenue.  Quality revenue (higher RPM rate) would fetch a higher multiple.  Jason's most recent 'about the blog income' type post suggests he was pulling down about 3k/month in blog revenue.  I can't imagine I would pay more than a 150k for it as I can buy thousands of other businesses in the market for less than 4x sales every single day. 

Maybe a big blog roll up business can plug into a network effect that improves RPM right out of the gate?  That would allow for a higher multiple to revenue to be paid.

I wouldn't sell my blog for 150k because I enjoy it immensely.  But if some sucker offered 1MM, I wouldn't be able to sign on the dotted line fast enough.

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Re: What are blogs worth (in light of DM selling out)
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2015, 09:57:50 AM »
If you view a blog as a business:

Income - advertising, affiliate links, paid placements, etc.
Expenses - hosting, and dev/design work, and the big one: content.

The income is related to traffic and audience. The more traffic the better, with some audience demographics being more valuable than others.

Expenses are dependent on how big and fancy the site is from an infrastructure standpoint. It can be pretty simple and run very economically. Except for that content part... how much do you pay your writers? Your own personal blog? Salary = $0, so low expenses. Paying for content... not $0.

A blog with lots of traffic has value. But that value will decline if the quantity/quality of content goes down. If I were to buy the MMM blog but couldn't entice MMM to stick around and keep writing, what happens? The traffic (and thus some affiliate/ad income) will be there for a while, but I need to figure out a way to keep the audience around. That might mean paying authors, driving up expenses, but hopefully building traffic and revenue. Or I might spend a little on paid promotion to bump traffic, plaster ads all over the site, and try to squeeze a few bucks out of it before I alienate the entire audience and flame out spectacularly.

To answer your question: Is it possible to determine blog value based on public information? Absolutely. Of course, accuracy depends on the quality of the public information. There are plenty of blogs that have sold where the price has been disclosed. You can use those as a baseline.

At the moment, I don't have the time to go dig into the details for DM or MMM, so won't work up an estimate. I'm sure some others will, so could weigh in once there are some concrete numbers to work with.


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Re: What are blogs worth (in light of DM selling out)
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2015, 11:16:38 AM »
Who is DM?

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Re: What are blogs worth (in light of DM selling out)
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2015, 11:27:30 AM »
Who is DM?

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I have always heard a good starting point is 3 times the annual revenue (assuming expenses arent absurd).  So a blog bringing in 1k/year is worth paying 3k.  If you are buying you should have some plan to increase that revenue quickly.

As a data point I recently tried selling my blog on Flippa.  It gets about 8k uniques/month.  When I was actually reaching out to get advertisers I was making $100/month.  Then I got lazy.  I added adsense to appropriate spots on the site and adsense revenue was about $1 per day with those 8k uniques.

My flippa reserve was 3k (I know it was high but I really had no interest in selling it, more of an experiment).  It got bid up to $940'ish.  So my $352 revenue producing blog was worth about 3x that on the Flippa market. 

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Re: What are blogs worth (in light of DM selling out)
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2015, 11:28:13 AM »

Is it possible to determine this based on public information?  What are your estimates as to how much DM sold his blog for and why?

One of the common rules of thumb is 2 years of income. Up to 3 years for an exceptional site.

Assuming an average earning of 6k (July was 7k, June was 6k), the price should be between $144k - $216k.
(Online earnings are in Monthly Budgets tab)

Since it is so tightly based on a person, I would pay less than 2 years earnings for it.

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« Last Edit: September 28, 2015, 11:29:55 AM by CowboyAndIndian »

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Re: What are blogs worth (in light of DM selling out)
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2015, 01:27:56 PM »
Thanks for the replies so far. Sorry about the DM thing....think subconsciously I was trying not to drive more people to the site.

So 2-3x revenue seems reasonable in the broader context of investing especially for larger proven sites with a diverse audience....but for something so tied to the unique style of the founder I am not sure I get it. As a founder I get selling out, especially if the interest/passion is gone, I mean you are esentially getting three years of pay to walk away (I don't see blogging as passive, clearly more like work IMO).

As indicated in other threads, those sites that have sold out generally suck afterward.  But I guess if all they have to do is generate clicks then who cares.

What is typical revenue per click or unique viewers or whatever measurement makes sense. 

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Re: What are blogs worth (in light of DM selling out)
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2015, 02:22:49 PM »

What is typical revenue per click or unique viewers or whatever measurement makes sense.

Revenue per click is usually based on auctions. So the highest paid clicks are porn with finance a  second.

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Re: What are blogs worth (in light of DM selling out)
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2015, 05:37:00 PM »
If a blogger doesn't disclose all of the various streams of income, it can be very difficult to determine what that specific blogger makes.

However, there are bloggers who do disclose how they make money in detail. Read this article on 23 bloggers who reveal how they make money: http://www.authorityhacker.com/make-money-blogging/

There is also Darren Rowse's chart.

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Re: What are blogs worth (in light of DM selling out)
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2015, 08:39:06 PM »
I paid about 8.9x monthly earnings for mine, though it is a baby compared to DM.  Enough of a page rank to get advertisers, which is all I really care about.  I bought it to add another passive income stream (I outsource all work) but I've only just started so we'll see how it goes.  I just accepted a full-time job on top of the few side hustles I've already got going, so the blog may fall by the wayside unfortunately..

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Re: What are blogs worth (in light of DM selling out)
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2015, 10:24:17 AM »
I'd also heard 2x annual revenue was the benchmark for buying/selling sites or blogs.


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Re: What are blogs worth (in light of DM selling out)
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2015, 11:01:07 AM »
A friend has a "mom blog" that is only about 2 years old that easily clears six-figures a year.
And the more followers she has, the more she can charge for sponsored posts. She gets paid more if she cross promotes the product on instagram. She makes money per click, but she also charges a flat fee for a product to be promoted on her blog, so even if no one clicks, she makes money.  She has a few products she works with continually through the year, and a few that only show up once.  Then of course there is a ton of money to be made through affiliate links.

I have no idea how many followers she has on her blog, but on bloglovin, it's only 325! (She has about 4,000 instagram followers.)

Honestly, sponsored posts have ruined blogs for me.  I don't follow almost any anymore- because every blog has the exact same thing. Nothing is authentic content anymore.