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State Of The Union rebuttal
« on: March 09, 2024, 08:53:36 AM »
I tried to listen to Senator Katie Britt of Alabama who did the rebuttal but I had a really strong negative reaction and had to stop. It was a physical revulsion, I started laughing, guffawing, and I was shocked by it.

This morning I read Heather Cox Richardson who had this link concerning it:
https://jesspiper.substack.com/p/the-fundie-baby-voice

I don't have much experience in fundamentalism and so I'm curious what others think about it.
When I hear Trump, or Marjorie Taylor Green, and now Katie Britt I feel sick and immediately turn them off. It's not just the constant lies and gaslighting, it's the sound and timbre of their voices. It seems unreal
Psychologically, what are they trying to accomplish? Who are they speaking to?

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Re: State Of The Union rebuttal
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2024, 09:16:42 AM »
You're not alone. The rebuttal was panned, even by other Republicans.

It was oddly breathy and very dramatic. It's the video equivalent of nextdoor complainers who think ding-dong-ditch kids are part of a home invasion gang.

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Re: State Of The Union rebuttal
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2024, 11:22:56 AM »
I've seen three kinds of Republican responses to her video.

1. This was a really bad idea that nobody should have approved of.
2. This was intentional to target the diminutive housewife demographic and it worked great.
3. We (GOP in Congress) told her to do it because she's a housewife, but don't hold her performance against her for being inexperienced.


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Re: State Of The Union rebuttal
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2024, 06:56:53 AM »
It's not rocket science to conjure up a cartoon character, meme-based opposition party after a global pandemic, inflationary economy and great wealth divide that has being 'middle-class' a downgrade within a generation. Carry the flag and cross, have some enemies to rally against (elites, Jews, immigrants and China) and it's the 1930s all over again.
Now throw in the latest far-left ideologies that will cause an instinctive repulsion to conservatives who want to burn it all down and start over (and they have just the guy to do it.)

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Re: State Of The Union rebuttal
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2024, 07:30:35 AM »
Now throw in the latest far-left ideologies that will cause an instinctive repulsion to conservatives who want to burn it all down and start over (and they have just the guy to do it.)

Can you be more specific on what “far-left ideologies” you are talking about here?

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Re: State Of The Union rebuttal
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2024, 10:06:44 AM »
Now throw in the latest far-left ideologies that will cause an instinctive repulsion to conservatives who want to burn it all down and start over (and they have just the guy to do it.)

Can you be more specific on what “far-left ideologies” you are talking about here?
Am about to get schooled, LOL? OK. Everything perceived to be left or more liberal than typical Sunday morning Southern church rhetoric. I have my ideas where it all comes from, being a non-believer in "The South" myself.

This is what I have heard locals say in everyday conversations about what is repulsive to them: mandatory vaccinations, pandemic lockdowns and business closures, gender identity activism and trans females' participation in sports, reparations for African American decedents of slaves, how we are a 'rape culture', basic universal income, new gun laws, lack of border enforcement and social programs for illegal immigrants. They see the urban homeless camps and drugged-up zombies and wonder why people don't take care of their own. There have mixed feelings about Putin and Ukraine. Still, most of my 60-plus year-old acquaintances are in debt and will have to work till death.

I do like to chat politics and meet a lot of people when playing gigs at events but often abstain from my strong opinions or offer only mild objection. I have heard people say they hate Trump; but will still vote for him. I think, why alienate and argue at this point? Nobody is listening; minds are made up. I may tell them that they are voting against themselves and guess what? They know that and don't care.

The thing that bothers me most are the parallels to the rise of fascism. There is racism involved for sure. However, I have hope that we are still all Americans and will manage to peacefully work through this massive divide.  And if Trump wins, we shall survive.

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Re: State Of The Union rebuttal
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2024, 11:53:51 AM »
Now throw in the latest far-left ideologies that will cause an instinctive repulsion to conservatives who want to burn it all down and start over (and they have just the guy to do it.)

Can you be more specific on what “far-left ideologies” you are talking about here?
Am about to get schooled, LOL? OK. Everything perceived to be left or more liberal than typical Sunday morning Southern church rhetoric. I have my ideas where it all comes from, being a non-believer in "The South" myself.

This is what I have heard locals say in everyday conversations about what is repulsive to them: mandatory vaccinations, pandemic lockdowns and business closures, gender identity activism and trans females' participation in sports, reparations for African American decedents of slaves, how we are a 'rape culture', basic universal income, new gun laws, lack of border enforcement and social programs for illegal immigrants. They see the urban homeless camps and drugged-up zombies and wonder why people don't take care of their own. There have mixed feelings about Putin and Ukraine. Still, most of my 60-plus year-old acquaintances are in debt and will have to work till death.

I do like to chat politics and meet a lot of people when playing gigs at events but often abstain from my strong opinions or offer only mild objection. I have heard people say they hate Trump; but will still vote for him. I think, why alienate and argue at this point? Nobody is listening; minds are made up. I may tell them that they are voting against themselves and guess what? They know that and don't care.

The thing that bothers me most are the parallels to the rise of fascism. There is racism involved for sure. However, I have hope that we are still all Americans and will manage to peacefully work through this massive divide.  And if Trump wins, we shall survive.

Also in the South, can confirm most of what was written here. Don't forget the role of religion in this. There are those people who think the end of the world is coming soon and anyone with the wrong belief system is doomed. In the more extreme versions of these beliefs (apparently) - those who are doomed are not worth the time and energy to care for. Its been implied to me that the doomed people can be used and ignored b/c nothing is lost.

I know someone with a strong belief in the "end times are near". Always awkward when the next prediction is shared and friend must silently acknowledge that the last one didn't happen and this one might not either. Friend seems to have a short memory for things that are certain to happen soon but doesn't. Political and religious predictions. The liberals are gonna do this to all of us or the world is ending soon. Must be a burden to live with. Otherwise good person to know. If they were able - they could change a few things about themselves and be much happier for it. Money, politics, religion, diet, etc.

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Re: State Of The Union rebuttal
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2024, 01:50:24 PM »
Obama is going to take away our guns any minute now.


As predicted, SNL did a spoof of the rebuttal.

https://youtu.be/cCfLpuLdF8Q?si=jRtKHMHAkcKTmA-M&t=140

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Re: State Of The Union rebuttal
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2024, 09:31:56 PM »
Obama is going to take away our guns any minute now.


As predicted, SNL did a spoof of the rebuttal.

https://youtu.be/cCfLpuLdF8Q?si=jRtKHMHAkcKTmA-M&t=140

Why do they have these "rebuttals" that are clearly written beforehand? I tried listening to the one from Stacey Abrams a few years ago, and the bullshit is too thick.

I mean, are there really people listening to them?

With regard to Senator Britt, I guess she just has a permanent smile, like how Matt Gaetz's smile is deeply upside down. Looking at photos of him now (not recommended!) this might have been exacerbated by plastic surgery. He looks like he's had some work done on his face, and it added to his sinister-ness.

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Re: State Of The Union rebuttal
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2024, 08:21:54 AM »
I've concluded there are simply some people who need to feel or enjoy feeling anxiety. Why else would anyone consume Fox News or talk radio, and all this sky-is-falling apocalyptic conspiratorial noise? It's like trying to bring the suspense and emotion of a horror movie into the otherwise boring and procedural realm of politics, and one's own life.

Perhaps it is better to feel anxious and fearful than it is to be depressed? Or perhaps it is a relief to redirect one's fear of death toward the equivalent of campfire monster stories, where the villains are Democrats and people who are different?

The fear of death ties in with religiosity - which is itself a bargaining device to avoid death and earn "eternal life". But deep down even the most "saved" among us know what's coming, and it's a choice to either live with that painful dissonance or to join the leagues of the anxious in opposition to change and diversity.

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Re: State Of The Union rebuttal
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2024, 09:00:22 AM »
I am someone who is prone to anxiety. And it can be reinforcing, bc it makes you activated, and feel like you are "doing something", when, all you are doing is expending your energy "worrying", when that time and energy can be spent doing something productively. I'm not saying it is a waste of time to be thoughtful. But there needs to be a next step. Upset about the Gaza war? Write a letter or editorial. Donate. I am not always successful, but I'm trying to retrain my brain. There is a lot to feel uneasy about. The easy exit to those feelings is to simultaneously wrap oneself in reflexive knee jerk thoughts that are thought-terminating. Both thoughts that make one feel good (my group is righteous) and anger (anything bad is (this other group's) fault.
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