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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6350 on: January 06, 2021, 03:23:59 PM »
I expect about the same level of response as was taken in the Seattle CHOP protests.

Are you implying these are comparable situations?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6351 on: January 06, 2021, 03:34:15 PM »
I'm hearing it's the Virginia National Guard being activated...
Also heard soon after that Gov Hogan was activating the Maryland National Guard.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6352 on: January 06, 2021, 03:42:37 PM »
I expect about the same level of response as was taken in the Seattle CHOP protests.

Are you implying these are comparable situations?

There are certain kinds of creatures for who the seat of the nation’s democracy is only as sacred as a couple of crossroads in downtown.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6353 on: January 06, 2021, 03:43:46 PM »
Oh right. Silly me!

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6354 on: January 06, 2021, 04:08:33 PM »
Storming the capital.  Watch our country get destroyed live on tv!

https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/cnn-news-usa.html



During this  heightened  political unrest at the Capitol building and some statehouses, America's governmental arrangement of separation of powers, checks and balances, and dispersion of power, in combination with all   of her  long-standing institutions of ordered liberty, preordain only one outcome: America will not falter.

"This too shall pass."
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6355 on: January 06, 2021, 04:10:22 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/06/politics/donald-trump-capitol-mob/index.html

More of his flippin' lies! Why can't he just be quiet, calm people down and encourage them homeward???

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6356 on: January 06, 2021, 04:12:11 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/06/politics/donald-trump-capitol-mob/index.html

More of his flippin' lies! Why can't he just be quiet, calm people down and encourage them homeward???

He has no idea how to do that.

The ardent Trump supporter that I am finally ready to block rather than just snooze and snooze and snooze is claiming that 1) there is absolutely no reason to blame Trump for this, everybody is responsible for their own actions and 2) the violence is all antifa anyway.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6357 on: January 06, 2021, 04:27:24 PM »
Just heard the woman who had been shot has died. Blood has been spilled over 45's madness.

He riled up his fascist base, then told them to go home in the name of peace once the purpose of disrupting the Congress session had been served. And his base are idiots who followed his orders. Vanilla ISIS. Y'all Qaeda.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6358 on: January 06, 2021, 04:29:43 PM »
Storming the capital.  Watch our country get destroyed live on tv!

https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/cnn-news-usa.html

During this  heightened  political unrest at the Capitol building and some statehouses, America's governmental arrangement of separation of powers, checks and balances, and dispersion of power, in combination with all   of her  long-standing institutions of ordered liberty, preordain only one outcome: America will not falter.

"This too shall pass."

I admire your optimism, but I don't fully share it. We are seeing a large percentage of the population express a desire to simply disregard election results. This sentiment extends all the way up to the president and many members of Congress. The rule of law only works when people agree to abide by it, and a lot of folks don't right now. "John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it!"

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6359 on: January 06, 2021, 04:32:19 PM »
I want more focus on domestic terrorists and reduction/elimination of the TSA airport security theater.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6360 on: January 06, 2021, 04:51:05 PM »
Would have been a scary sight in DC.

Surprised the police didn't shoot all the protestors. For all of the times that police in the states have been trigger happy, they seemed to use admirable restraint today.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6361 on: January 06, 2021, 04:53:02 PM »
Would have been a scary sight in DC.

Surprised the police didn't shoot all the protestors. For all of the times that police in the states have been trigger happy, they seemed to use admirable restraint today.

Why are you surprised? These rioters were white.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6362 on: January 06, 2021, 04:53:38 PM »
Would have been a scary sight in DC.

Surprised the police didn't shoot all the protestors. For all of the times that police in the states have been trigger happy, they seemed to use admirable restraint today.

The ‘protesters’ are largely white.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6363 on: January 06, 2021, 04:53:51 PM »
Would have been a scary sight in DC.

Surprised the police didn't shoot all the protestors. For all of the times that police in the states have been trigger happy, they seemed to use admirable restraint today.

The violent protestors were white. We knew they would be white, so a pre emptive request for the National Guard was turned down.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6364 on: January 06, 2021, 05:01:20 PM »
The electoral certification will resume tonight. I wonder: 1) if there will be many more objections, and 2) if they will just go ahead and impeach while they are at it.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6365 on: January 06, 2021, 05:03:21 PM »
Anyone else follow Heather Cox Richardson?  She doesn't think Trump will be president for even 2 more days, never mind 2 weeks.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6366 on: January 06, 2021, 05:06:46 PM »
Quite the outrageous day...

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6367 on: January 06, 2021, 05:10:58 PM »
The electoral certification will resume tonight. I wonder: 1) if there will be many more objections, and 2) if they will just go ahead and impeach while they are at it.

I mean, a joint session seems like the perfect opportunity to get through the whole impeachment process in one fell swoop...

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6368 on: January 06, 2021, 05:13:29 PM »
Anyone else follow Heather Cox Richardson?  She doesn't think Trump will be president for even 2 more days, never mind 2 weeks.
I do but I haven't seen that yet.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6369 on: January 06, 2021, 05:22:26 PM »
Reports from Kansas say that protesters have also stormed the Kansas statehouse.

What's the reasoning behind that?

Methinks it's much more likely ignorance and  unreason is behind it.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6370 on: January 06, 2021, 05:25:52 PM »
Anyone else follow Heather Cox Richardson?  She doesn't think Trump will be president for even 2 more days, never mind 2 weeks.

I haven't read any of her commentary for at least a year or so.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6371 on: January 06, 2021, 05:46:21 PM »
Would have been a scary sight in DC.

Surprised the police didn't shoot all the protestors. For all of the times that police in the states have been trigger happy, they seemed to use admirable restraint today.

The violent protestors were white. We knew they would be white, so a pre emptive request for the National Guard was turned down.

^^^This. They were ready with tear gas and rubber bullets last summer when BLM protestors were outside the White House, behind the barriers.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6372 on: January 06, 2021, 05:50:20 PM »
Would have been a scary sight in DC.

Surprised the police didn't shoot all the protestors. For all of the times that police in the states have been trigger happy, they seemed to use admirable restraint today.

The violent protestors were white. We knew they would be white, so a pre emptive request for the National Guard was turned down.

^^^This. They were ready with tear gas and rubber bullets last summer when BLM protestors were outside the White House, behind the barriers.

Worse than that. DC police and building security let them in. If you're black or disabled holding a sign in front of the Capitol you get tear gas and a club over the head. If you're an assault rifle-carrying, MAGA hat wearing, All Liberals Must Die t-shirt wearing rioter you get a "here, let me help you with that." 

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6373 on: January 06, 2021, 05:58:23 PM »
It's an interesting day to be a Republican politician. There is so much hand-wringing going on right now. So many of the same people who have been screaming "stop the steal" are now insisting "this isn't us, I didn't know this would happen, we're the party of law and order." Shut the fuck up. This is exactly you. These people have been your base of support for four years. They bully people while waving guns around as a lifestyle choice. They told you they were coming to D.C. to commit violence and insurrection. They spelled out their plans on their websites and have been carrying signs and wearing shirts all week that say "we're here to kill people." Guess what? Someone is now dead. They put the US Congress under siege. One of these assholes ended up sitting in the Vice President's chair.  And the President of the United States egged them on. "Don't be weak." "We'll never surrender." And after the riot was dispersed he said "You're all special." Half the Republicans in Congress committed themselves to disrupting today's count. You fuckers made your bed. Lie in it. That goes double for Pence and McConnell. This is the culmination of four years (eight for McConnell) of tap dancing around their oaths of office. You don't get to make impassioned speeches at the 11th hour and get forgiveness.

edit: considering the people who voted them into office, they could have all doubled-down like Paxton in Texas is doing and said "hell yeah, come back again tomorrow" and they'd be reelected.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6374 on: January 06, 2021, 06:05:34 PM »
The icing on the cake -
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(CNN Business) Twitter said Wednesday it has locked President Donald Trump's account for 12 hours, and warned for the first time that it may suspend him permanently.

The temporary lock reflects Trump's violation of the Twitter rules, the company said.

"We have required the removal of three @realDonaldTrump Tweets that were posted earlier today for repeated and severe violations of our Civic Integrity Policy," Twitter said. "This means that the account of @realDonaldTrump will be locked for 12 hours following the removal of these Tweets. If the Tweets are not removed, the account will remain locked."
Twitter added that "future violations... will result in permanent suspension of the @realDonaldTrump account."
The announcement marks a major escalation by Twitter against Trump's account and responds to calls by civil rights groups for Trump to be banned from the platform.

So ... much ... winning, the GOP must be getting tired of all this winning.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6375 on: January 06, 2021, 06:08:17 PM »
In the last three days, Trump has been recorded advocating for election fraud and active insurrection. Can the Congress role right from electoral vote counting to impeachment to trial and removal?  This needs to be over.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6376 on: January 06, 2021, 06:14:32 PM »
In a couple of weeks this will all be over and any future protest or riot response will be the responsibility of Biden and Co.

Hopefully things will just be kum ba yah


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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6377 on: January 06, 2021, 06:15:56 PM »
Would have been a scary sight in DC.

Surprised the police didn't shoot all the protestors. For all of the times that police in the states have been trigger happy, they seemed to use admirable restraint today.

Karl Racine, AG for the District of Columbia, asked CNN to pull up images of the preparations for BLM in the summer, and contrast them with the lightly-staffed PD on site today, even with "advance intelligence" on the planned escalation and violence.

I hope they do.

The violent protestors were white. We knew they would be white, so a pre emptive request for the National Guard was turned down.

^^^This. They were ready with tear gas and rubber bullets last summer when BLM protestors were outside the White House, behind the barriers.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6378 on: January 06, 2021, 06:16:35 PM »
There are reports that, in securing the Capitol, all the insurrections were escorted out and . . . sent on their way to enjoy the rest of their evening.  WTF?  They don't even get arrested for storming the US Capitol?  That is batshit.

P.S.  Heather Cox Richardson said the thing about Trump not lasting 2 more days on her live feed.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6379 on: January 06, 2021, 06:17:19 PM »
STANDING APPLAUSE.

I salute you, sir!

It's an interesting day to be a Republican politician. There is so much hand-wringing going on right now. So many of the same people who have been screaming "stop the steal" are now insisting "this isn't us, I didn't know this would happen, we're the party of law and order." Shut the fuck up. This is exactly you. These people have been your base of support for four years. They bully people while waving guns around as a lifestyle choice. They told you they were coming to D.C. to commit violence and insurrection. They spelled out their plans on their websites and have been carrying signs and wearing shirts all week that say "we're here to kill people." Guess what? Someone is now dead. They put the US Congress under siege. One of these assholes ended up sitting in the Vice President's chair.  And the President of the United States egged them on. "Don't be weak." "We'll never surrender." And after the riot was dispersed he said "You're all special." Half the Republicans in Congress committed themselves to disrupting today's count. You fuckers made your bed. Lie in it. That goes double for Pence and McConnell. This is the culmination of four years (eight for McConnell) of tap dancing around their oaths of office. You don't get to make impassioned speeches at the 11th hour and get forgiveness.

edit: considering the people who voted them into office, they could have all doubled-down like Paxton in Texas is doing and said "hell yeah, come back again tomorrow" and they'd be reelected.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6380 on: January 06, 2021, 06:18:11 PM »
In a couple of weeks this will all be over and any future protest or riot response will be the responsibility of Biden and Co.

Hopefully things will just be kum ba yah

I'm gonna go out on a limb here but I doubt Biden will actually encourage his followers to go "wild" in the Capital.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6381 on: January 06, 2021, 06:23:30 PM »
Jesus, what a day. Among other things, I had to talk my extremely traditionally conservative, law-and-order type father off a ledge today. He was so angry I thought he might have a stroke or something.  He voted for Trump, but now wants to see Trump hanged and the whole mob who stormed the capital forced to watch the hanging and then shot. I'm glad he wasn't 20 years younger or he might have armed himself and started driving to DC to go hunting some Proud Boys, thus exacerbating the problems.

I mean, this is what's scary...the Trump supporters' behaviors are SO CRAZY that they risk creating incredibly violent backlash emotions, even among some people who formerly supported the GOP and want traditional old-fashioned conservatism, let alone the left.  This kind of insanity has the potential to start a pendulum swing of ever increasing violence on both sides.

I really hope things calm down in the next few days, and esp. once Biden takes office. A close Senate means it's unlikely anything too far left will pass legislatively, which might help lower the temperature. And I'm sure covid vaccine rollout will improve under Biden, too, which might help.  We need everyone to just take a breather for a month before re-engaging with politics...but I fear that's too much to ask and there might be armed and angry people getting in their cars and driving hither and yon to 'do something' even as I type.

I really hope I'm wrong.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6382 on: January 06, 2021, 06:24:52 PM »
The electoral certification will resume tonight. I wonder: 1) if there will be many more objections, and 2) if they will just go ahead and impeach while they are at it.

I just heard that a  member of the House is drafting an article (or articles ?)of impeachment.

Another member said it would take too long to impeach Trump so instead the 25th Amendment should be invoked.

I disagree  that impeachment would take too long.

The House has power to, and could,  impeach Trump within about 2 hours.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6383 on: January 06, 2021, 06:26:43 PM »
The electoral certification will resume tonight. I wonder: 1) if there will be many more objections, and 2) if they will just go ahead and impeach while they are at it.

I just heard that a  member of the House is drafting an article (or articles ?)of impeachment.

Another member said it would take too long to impeach Trump so instead the 25th Amendment should be invoked.

I disagree  that impeachment would take too long.

The House has power to impeach Trump within about 2 hours.

https://www.fox9.com/news/rep-ilhan-omar-drawing-up-articles-of-impeachment-for-trump

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6384 on: January 06, 2021, 06:29:01 PM »
In the last three days, Trump has been recorded advocating for election fraud and active insurrection. Can the Congress role right from electoral vote counting to impeachment to trial and removal?  This needs to be over.

I agree he needs to be impeached. This is f-n ridiculous.

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« Reply #6385 on: January 06, 2021, 06:32:17 PM »
It's an interesting day to be a Republican politician. There is so much hand-wringing going on right now. So many of the same people who have been screaming "stop the steal" are now insisting "this isn't us, I didn't know this would happen, we're the party of law and order." Shut the fuck up. This is exactly you. These people have been your base of support for four years. They bully people while waving guns around as a lifestyle choice. They told you they were coming to D.C. to commit violence and insurrection. They spelled out their plans on their websites and have been carrying signs and wearing shirts all week that say "we're here to kill people." Guess what? Someone is now dead. They put the US Congress under siege. One of these assholes ended up sitting in the Vice President's chair.  And the President of the United States egged them on. "Don't be weak." "We'll never surrender." And after the riot was dispersed he said "You're all special." Half the Republicans in Congress committed themselves to disrupting today's count. You fuckers made your bed. Lie in it. That goes double for Pence and McConnell. This is the culmination of four years (eight for McConnell) of tap dancing around their oaths of office. You don't get to make impassioned speeches at the 11th hour and get forgiveness.

edit: considering the people who voted them into office, they could have all doubled-down like Paxton in Texas is doing and said "hell yeah, come back again tomorrow" and they'd be reelected.

THIS. The seditious travesty that happened today is the culmination of the GOP strategy for the last 40 years. Any GOP leader who claims otherwise is a liar.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6386 on: January 06, 2021, 06:35:22 PM »
I also blame Bush's "We believe there are weapons of mass destruction, even though the international inspectors insist there aren't, so that's good enough for us to go to war" I know he played nice today, but he raised the bar on ignoring evidence while he was in office.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6387 on: January 06, 2021, 06:51:37 PM »

The mob reminded me of Antifa, but not as destructive.  Some crazy shit, none-the-less.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6388 on: January 06, 2021, 07:02:39 PM »

The mob reminded me of Antifa, but not as destructive.  Some crazy shit, none-the-less.

Ah yes, that Antifa mob that happened that one time in that one place. I think they destroyed that one thing.... Anyways yeah that happened at some point. I'm sure of it.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6389 on: January 06, 2021, 07:05:54 PM »

The mob reminded me of Antifa, but not as destructive.  Some crazy shit, none-the-less.

Ah yes, that Antifa mob that happened that one time in that one place. I think they destroyed that one thing.... Anyways yeah that happened at some point. I'm sure of it.

I'm sure they were breaking down the Chamber doors just to speak to Congress in a calm and coherent manner.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6390 on: January 06, 2021, 07:10:43 PM »

The mob reminded me of Antifa, but not as destructive.  Some crazy shit, none-the-less.

Not as destructive, except they broke into the center of power in the United States government and attempted to wrest away power from the duly elected representatives in an attempted national coup.

But you know, not that big a deal.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6391 on: January 06, 2021, 07:26:40 PM »

The mob reminded me of Antifa, but not as destructive.  Some crazy shit, none-the-less.

Yeah - local GOP supporter today arguing with associate of mine that today's shit show were clearly antifa acting like GOP supporters. Keep up those group delusions. It shows high quality creative thinking.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6392 on: January 06, 2021, 07:31:18 PM »
The blue states might genuinely be better off seceding/having a civil war.

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« Reply #6393 on: January 06, 2021, 07:44:28 PM »
The blue states might genuinely be better off seceding/having a civil war.

The Constitution is devoid of any provision that allows for a process whereby a State may secede from the United States of America.

And though federalism treats  each State  as a sovereign entity that has broad latitude to manage its affairs  it does not not include any power to secede for the reason that though  "the preservation of the States, and the maintenance of their governments, are as much within the design and care of the Constitution [so] is  the preservation of the Union and the maintenance of the National government."

Thus, secession is unconstitutional:  "The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible States."



Texas v. White Et Al. (1869)


The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations.


It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form, and character, and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these the Union was solemnly declared to 'be perpetual.'


And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained 'to form a more perfect Union.'


 It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?

But the perpetuity and indissolubility of the Union, by no means implies the loss of distinct and individual existence, or of the right of self-government by the States.

 Under the Articles of Confederation each State retained its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right not expressly delegated to the United States.

Under the Constitution, though the powers of the States were much restricted, still, all powers not delegated to the United States, nor prohibited to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

And we have already had occasion to remark at this term, that the people of each State compose a State, having its own government, and endowed with all the functions essential to separate and independent existence, and that 'without the States in union, there could be no such political body as the United States.'

Not only, therefore, can there be no loss of separate and independent autonomy to the States, through their union under the Constitution, but it may be not unreasonably said that the preservation of the States, and the maintenance of their governments, are as much within the design and care of the Constitution as the preservation of the Union and the maintenance of the National government.

 The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible States.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6394 on: January 06, 2021, 07:53:02 PM »
The blue states might genuinely be better off seceding/having a civil war.

The Constitution is devoid of any provision that allows for a process whereby a State may secede from the United States of America.

There wasn't any proceedure for countries to leave the EU before Brexit.  A piece of paper isn't going to stop a state from leaving the union.

A piece of paper on its own does nothing.  It only means something if people decide to do what it says.  70 million Trump voters and QAnon believers think  that piece of paper is useless, because they have been told lies for the last 5 years and believe those lies so strongly that nothing you can say is going' to change their minds.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6395 on: January 06, 2021, 08:01:14 PM »
The blue states might genuinely be better off seceding/having a civil war.

The Constitution is devoid of any provision that allows for a process whereby a State may secede from the United States of America.

There wasn't any proceedure for countries to leave the EU before Brexit.  A piece of paper isn't going to stop a state from leaving the union.

A piece of paper on its own does nothing.  It only means something if people decide to do what it says.  70 million Trump voters and QAnon believers think  that piece of paper is useless, because they have been told lies for the last 5 years and believe those lies so strongly that nothing you can say is going' to change their minds.

There was actually, in article 50 of the Treaty on European Union. Just no country had used it before the UK.

Which means that despite the criticism from some people and the level of close cooperation between member states (in some cases stronger than in the case of US states) the EU is not and never can be a federation in the classic sense of the word.


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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6396 on: January 06, 2021, 08:14:23 PM »
The blue states might genuinely be better off seceding/having a civil war.

The Constitution is devoid of any provision that allows for a process whereby a State may secede from the United States of America.

There wasn't any proceedure for countries to leave the EU before Brexit.  A piece of paper isn't going to stop a state from leaving the union.

A piece of paper on its own does nothing.
It only means something if people decide to do what it says

Precisely so for  the Constitution, or any other charter of liberty, are only as enduring as the fixity of their guarantees which depends upon  their upholding.

  70 million Trump voters and QAnon believers think  that piece of paper is useless, because they have been told lies for the last 5 years and believe those lies so strongly that nothing you can say is going' to change their minds.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6397 on: January 06, 2021, 08:19:04 PM »
Anyone else follow Heather Cox Richardson?  She doesn't think Trump will be president for even 2 more days, never mind 2 weeks.
I do but I haven't seen that yet.
It was in her video from today

https://www.facebook.com/heathercoxrichardson/videos/2543350895789478/?vh=e&d=n

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6398 on: January 06, 2021, 08:22:10 PM »
The blue states might genuinely be better off seceding/having a civil war.

You might be overestimating the significance of the "red" gang.

In 2016, Counties that voted for Trump represented 36% of US GDP. Clinton - 64%.
In 2020, Counties that voted for Trump represented just 29% of the economy.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2020/11/09/biden-voting-counties-equal-70-of-americas-economy-what-does-this-mean-for-the-nations-political-economic-divide/

It is easy to overestimate just how "significant" the red faction is. They have outsized political power, yes. But they have pretty much lost everything else in the last two decades.

If they had their way, we would all be studying creationism in school and the big government would tell women what they can do with their body or not, and contraceptives would be banned. Thankfully, the federal structure means they can do jacksh*t to affect life of most blue state denizens. And I very much doubt a bunch of welfare loving mooches would suddenly gather enough ability to change the equation.

So no, nothing too radical is required for the Blue gang. Most people are relatively okay, comfortable even, in the communist hellholes - as far as I can tell at least.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6399 on: January 06, 2021, 08:46:52 PM »
You might be overestimating the significance of the "red" gang.

In 2016, Counties that voted for Trump represented 36% of US GDP. Clinton - 64%.
In 2020, Counties that voted for Trump represented just 29% of the economy.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2020/11/09/biden-voting-counties-equal-70-of-americas-economy-what-does-this-mean-for-the-nations-political-economic-divide/

It is easy to overestimate just how "significant" the red faction is. They have outsized political power, yes. But they have pretty much lost everything else in the last two decades.

I do wonder if perhaps this shift in economic power from the republican leaning population to the democrat leaning population might be behind a lot of the anger and ability to get into mob mentality?

It is human nature to band together and look elsewhere for blame (people believing "those damn Jewish bankers and jewlers are behind all of our problems" was one of the key reasons Germany was able to justify treating people lower than animals). 

In the same way, a relatively poor but significant (nearly half the population) of the USA sees their way of life being questioned/changed and their standard of living being lowered.  They don't blame the drinking, or spending $10 a day on smokes but rather those damn democrats and their welfare programs.

The danger will be if we spend so much that conditions actually deteriorate to the point where this thought process gains traction.  I would imagine this rioting would have been much much worse if people in general were actually seriously suffering/starving.