Author Topic: Hearing more and more about UFOs?  (Read 865 times)

Captain Cactus

  • Bristles
  • ***
  • Posts: 311
Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« on: April 15, 2021, 06:00:06 PM »
Good evening all.  Is it just me, or are we hearing more and more about UFOs in the mainstream media?  Including photos, videos, acknowledgment from the government the videos are authentic, etc...

Doesn’t mean aliens per se.  But definitely some kind of advanced technology is on display.

Anyone have theories?  Anyone else feel a little creeped out by this?

Aegishjalmur

  • Bristles
  • ***
  • Posts: 269
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2021, 06:05:08 PM »
Everyone has a phone with a camera and an internet connection. It's impossible for the government(s) to police everything/stop every leak so they choose to get in front of it as a government approved news report is a lot less exciting that a viral web posting that can spread to multiple sites leading to a game of whack-a-mole.

Sibley

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 4975
  • Location: Northwest Indiana
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2021, 06:40:16 PM »
Everyone has a phone with a camera and there's a LOT of idiots who can't recognize perfectly recognizable things and thus get excited about the UFO... which is really an escaped ballon or whatever.

PDXTabs

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 2516
  • Age: 38
  • Location: Portland, OR, USA
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2021, 06:50:22 PM »

GuitarStv

  • Senior Mustachian
  • ********
  • Posts: 17660
  • Age: 39
  • Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2021, 08:22:15 PM »
I think that it has a lot to do with the data being declassified about them like The CIA released thousands of UFO documents online and Video taken by US Navy pilot appears to show UFO, Pentagon confirms video is real.

The CIA/Pentagon releases are pretty incredible.  We're talking decades of documented experiences and evidence from reliable witnesses.  No idea if it's aliens*, but there's certainly something strange that has been going on up in the skies.





nessness

  • Pencil Stache
  • ****
  • Posts: 654
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2021, 09:00:30 PM »
Everyone has a phone with a camera and there's a LOT of idiots who can't recognize perfectly recognizable things and thus get excited about the UFO... which is really an escaped ballon or whatever.
Every flying object is a UFO if you're bad enough at identifying things!

joe189man

  • Bristles
  • ***
  • Posts: 252
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2021, 10:06:53 PM »
the multiple interviews with David Fravor, a fighter pilot with decades of experience, where he discusses his encounter with the "tic-tac" at length are pretty out there along with the videos from the incident.

Maybe the aliens will saves us from ourselves

jehovasfitness23

  • Stubble
  • **
  • Posts: 238
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2021, 05:43:05 AM »
Everyone has a phone with a camera and an internet connection. It's impossible for the government(s) to police everything/stop every leak so they choose to get in front of it as a government approved news report is a lot less exciting that a viral web posting that can spread to multiple sites leading to a game of whack-a-mole.

and yet, we're still stuck with "evidence" of ufos that looks like a hairy mole from 50 ft away

jehovasfitness23

  • Stubble
  • **
  • Posts: 238
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2021, 05:44:41 AM »
I think that it has a lot to do with the data being declassified about them like The CIA released thousands of UFO documents online and Video taken by US Navy pilot appears to show UFO, Pentagon confirms video is real.

The CIA/Pentagon releases are pretty incredible.  We're talking decades of documented experiences and evidence from reliable witnesses.  No idea if it's aliens*, but there's certainly something strange that has been going on up in the skies.





I expected better from you :p  let's not forget those witnesses are human too and just because they're trained at their job they may not be more reliable than most other eye witness testimony which is terrible.

I will need 4k 60 fps video to shift in believing we've been visited.  or at least visited and spotted given such tech that would allow interstellar travel to be noticed by humans :p

Captain Cactus

  • Bristles
  • ***
  • Posts: 311
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2021, 06:39:02 AM »
Too bad this got moved to "off topic".  Was really hoping to get some perspectives/thoughts on this. 

As an aside, how is this any more "off topic" than Amazon buying up dead malls?  Or my other thread about "earthing/grounding" which remained in the general forum room?  Not trying to "get political" or whatever usually pushes topics into this less-frequently viewed forum room.

UFOs must really be a "trigger" for someone.  Oh well. 

EvenSteven

  • Pencil Stache
  • ****
  • Posts: 516
  • Location: St. Louis
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2021, 08:00:16 AM »
Too bad this got moved to "off topic".  Was really hoping to get some perspectives/thoughts on this. 

As an aside, how is this any more "off topic" than Amazon buying up dead malls?  Or my other thread about "earthing/grounding" which remained in the general forum room?  Not trying to "get political" or whatever usually pushes topics into this less-frequently viewed forum room.

UFOs must really be a "trigger" for someone.  Oh well.

Huh? Off-topic isn't some kind of time-out room. It is one of the more active areas. If moderators wanted to "cancel" you they would have moved it to Taxes.

wenchsenior

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 2861
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2021, 08:34:08 AM »
Too bad this got moved to "off topic".  Was really hoping to get some perspectives/thoughts on this. 

As an aside, how is this any more "off topic" than Amazon buying up dead malls?  Or my other thread about "earthing/grounding" which remained in the general forum room?  Not trying to "get political" or whatever usually pushes topics into this less-frequently viewed forum room.

UFOs must really be a "trigger" for someone.  Oh well.

WTH?  This is definitely one of the most active forum areas.   More likely, most people on the board just don't give two thoughts to UFOs, and that's why you aren't getting replies.  I personally don't remember hearing anything about UFOs in mainstream culture since X Files went off the air.  It's a niche 'hobby' area for some people, and probably most of those people simply don't hang out  on this forum.

Captain Cactus

  • Bristles
  • ***
  • Posts: 311
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2021, 08:39:49 AM »
LOL, ok, I thought it was a less active area and I was getting a time out. 

Look at the news, it has been a topic quite a bit lately.  Some new videos and photos authenticated by the government, senators talking about it, etc...

I'm not really a UFO enthusiast but I find it really interesting that we're hearing more and more about it in the news.  If it's extraterrestrials we're SOL.  If it's foreign technology, that's scary too because they're flying around with impunity.  But I'm thinking it's more likely American technology exposing itself to the public and military personnel to gauge reactions, see if they're visible to traditional military, etc...

Look on the national news networks and you'll likely see something up there on the topic in recent headlines.

Malcat

  • Walrus Stache
  • *******
  • Posts: 5519
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2021, 08:45:15 AM »
Too bad this got moved to "off topic".  Was really hoping to get some perspectives/thoughts on this. 

As an aside, how is this any more "off topic" than Amazon buying up dead malls?  Or my other thread about "earthing/grounding" which remained in the general forum room?  Not trying to "get political" or whatever usually pushes topics into this less-frequently viewed forum room.

UFOs must really be a "trigger" for someone.  Oh well.

Off topic is one of the most active sections.

Your grounding thread was you asking about whether or not it was worth spending on grounding devices, which counts as a financial discussion.

Amazon buying up properties is also a financial discussion.

UFOs is pretty solidly an off topic discussion, and again, being moved to off topic is not a punishment to a thread, it's a very, very active section.

AFM, I have no particular thoughts on UFOs, except that a handful of years ago, I was driving home from a late shift when every radio station reported many independent sightings of bright lights crashing into the river not far from my house.

I didn't think too much of it, the radio stations talked about it again the next day saying it was being investigated. The descriptions sounded kind of intense, everyone thought a plane had crashed into the water. Again, I figured eventually the news would explain it, and then they didn't. It was reported that the police were investigating, and then nothing. The story just disappeared, and I've always wondered what the hell people saw crash into the river.

A plane has crashed into the river since, but it was easily found and identified, and the stories about it are clear. So why nothing about the crash from 3 years ago?
« Last Edit: April 16, 2021, 08:53:33 AM by Malcat »

joe189man

  • Bristles
  • ***
  • Posts: 252
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2021, 08:45:23 AM »
I think that it has a lot to do with the data being declassified about them like The CIA released thousands of UFO documents online and Video taken by US Navy pilot appears to show UFO, Pentagon confirms video is real.

The CIA/Pentagon releases are pretty incredible.  We're talking decades of documented experiences and evidence from reliable witnesses.  No idea if it's aliens*, but there's certainly something strange that has been going on up in the skies.





I expected better from you :p  let's not forget those witnesses are human too and just because they're trained at their job they may not be more reliable than most other eye witness testimony which is terrible.

I will need 4k 60 fps video to shift in believing we've been visited.  or at least visited and spotted given such tech that would allow interstellar travel to be noticed by humans :p

see link below, the Lex Fridman and David Fravor youtube podcast, its a snipet where they talk about his experience, there is military surveillance and radar data,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HInaJxFxWs

bwall

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1011
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2021, 08:52:39 AM »
I find it pretty amazing that UFO's were never reported before 1945. For all of human history, no one had ever reported a UFO sighting. No sooner do humans learn how to fly, then POOF! we start to see UFO's.

EvenSteven

  • Pencil Stache
  • ****
  • Posts: 516
  • Location: St. Louis
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2021, 08:54:17 AM »
Too bad this got moved to "off topic".  Was really hoping to get some perspectives/thoughts on this. 

As an aside, how is this any more "off topic" than Amazon buying up dead malls?  Or my other thread about "earthing/grounding" which remained in the general forum room?  Not trying to "get political" or whatever usually pushes topics into this less-frequently viewed forum room.

UFOs must really be a "trigger" for someone.  Oh well.

Off topic is one of the most active sections.

Your grounding thread was you asking about whether or not it was worth spending on grounding devices, which counts as a financial discussion.

Amazon buying up properties is also a financial discussion.

UFOs is pretty solidly an off topic discussion, and again, being moved to off topic is not a punishment to a thread, it's a very, very active section.

Maybe we can get it moved back. What percentage rate would you pay on a loan to purchase said UFO? Personally, I wouldn't finance. Pay cash for your UFO or wait until you can afford one.

Malcat

  • Walrus Stache
  • *******
  • Posts: 5519
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2021, 08:57:07 AM »
I find it pretty amazing that UFO's were never reported before 1945. For all of human history, no one had ever reported a UFO sighting. No sooner do humans learn how to fly, then POOF! we start to see UFO's.

I just googled this, do you mean official government records or any historical reports of UFO sightings, because according to this wikipedia entry, people have been recording UFO sightings for thousands of years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reported_UFO_sightings

rab-bit

  • Stubble
  • **
  • Posts: 240
  • Location: Western PA
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2021, 09:12:34 AM »
UFO sightings have apparently surged during the pandemic as people have had more time to look skyward:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-aud-nw-nyt-ufo-sightings-20210409-ztqchqcgzrcflbfedk3c7wjkk4-story.html

bwall

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1011
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2021, 09:18:11 AM »
I find it pretty amazing that UFO's were never reported before 1945. For all of human history, no one had ever reported a UFO sighting. No sooner do humans learn how to fly, then POOF! we start to see UFO's.

I just googled this, do you mean official government records or any historical reports of UFO sightings, because according to this wikipedia entry, people have been recording UFO sightings for thousands of years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reported_UFO_sightings

hmmmm..... According to that link, there are a total of 15 listings before 1945, going back about 3400 years. All the rest (over 100) were sighted in the 70 years since world war two.

So this means that before humans learned how to fly, there were UFO's spotted once every 226 years or so. Since then, they were spotted about 1.5 times each year, which is over 300x as often as before.

Captain Cactus

  • Bristles
  • ***
  • Posts: 311
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2021, 09:28:55 AM »
I find it pretty amazing that UFO's were never reported before 1945. For all of human history, no one had ever reported a UFO sighting. No sooner do humans learn how to fly, then POOF! we start to see UFO's.

I just googled this, do you mean official government records or any historical reports of UFO sightings, because according to this wikipedia entry, people have been recording UFO sightings for thousands of years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reported_UFO_sightings

hmmmm..... According to that link, there are a total of 15 listings before 1945, going back about 3400 years. All the rest (over 100) were sighted in the 70 years since world war two.

So this means that before humans learned how to fly, there were UFO's spotted once every 226 years or so. Since then, they were spotted about 1.5 times each year, which is over 300x as often as before.

Again, not saying I believe these sightings are necessarily extraterrestrials, but...

1)  There are a lot more humans today that are around to observe vs world populations 3400 years ago.  More eyes looking could mean more UFO sightings.

2)  Plus, before the normalization of flying machines, technology, etc... maybe flying objects were perceived as signs from God, angels etc...?


Malcat

  • Walrus Stache
  • *******
  • Posts: 5519
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2021, 09:31:35 AM »
I find it pretty amazing that UFO's were never reported before 1945. For all of human history, no one had ever reported a UFO sighting. No sooner do humans learn how to fly, then POOF! we start to see UFO's.

I just googled this, do you mean official government records or any historical reports of UFO sightings, because according to this wikipedia entry, people have been recording UFO sightings for thousands of years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reported_UFO_sightings

hmmmm..... According to that link, there are a total of 15 listings before 1945, going back about 3400 years. All the rest (over 100) were sighted in the 70 years since world war two.

So this means that before humans learned how to fly, there were UFO's spotted once every 226 years or so. Since then, they were spotted about 1.5 times each year, which is over 300x as often as before.

Well yeah, I'm not saying anything other than that reports did exist before 1945. Beyond that, I'm not saying anything. Obviously people reported tons of UFOs once flying became a thing. I have no doubt that the vast majority of sightings are just normal planes and helicopters.

A helicopter flew by my high-rise the other night, and all I could see was the lights and it was definitely freaky looking. I could totally see why someone imaginative might think it was a UFO, the way the lights moved was so strange, which was surprising since I'm so used to seeing them during the day because there's a small airport by my house. But at night they look weird.

Roland of Gilead

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 2258
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2021, 09:38:18 AM »
Any alien civilization that would not appear to us as we appear to a bacteria is going to take 100,000 years to get here.   After all that travel time, they are not going to be all stealthy and only let a few rednecks garner fuzzy out of focus distant shots of them.

Those alien civilizations that are so advanced that they can get here in a timely manner are going to be so stealthy if they choose to be, that no redneck is even going to be able to get even a fuzzy out of focus distant shot of them.

GuitarStv

  • Senior Mustachian
  • ********
  • Posts: 17660
  • Age: 39
  • Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2021, 09:42:53 AM »
I think that it has a lot to do with the data being declassified about them like The CIA released thousands of UFO documents online and Video taken by US Navy pilot appears to show UFO, Pentagon confirms video is real.

The CIA/Pentagon releases are pretty incredible.  We're talking decades of documented experiences and evidence from reliable witnesses.  No idea if it's aliens*, but there's certainly something strange that has been going on up in the skies.





I expected better from you :p  let's not forget those witnesses are human too and just because they're trained at their job they may not be more reliable than most other eye witness testimony which is terrible.

I will need 4k 60 fps video to shift in believing we've been visited.  or at least visited and spotted given such tech that would allow interstellar travel to be noticed by humans :p

I'd encourage you to go through the released data.  There are multiple instances where more than one pilot simultaneously witnessed weird stuff . . . that was caught on full motion video, and/or flir target tracking.  I worked on military FLIR systems, and the tracking abilities they've got are pretty incredible.  To fake this kind of thing you would need:
- ground crew and flight mechanics involved and willing to load special software onto the FLIR at serious risk of their careers for no apparent motivation
- several pilots all either pre-planning or deciding at the same time that they were all going to make stuff up that could potentially jeopardize their careers
- commanding officers willing to jeapordize their careers by filing reports they think are probably false
- this giant conspiracy wouldn't have benefited anyone as all information about it was immediately classified and remained that way for decades

As mentioned, no idea if it's aliens . . . it's entirely possible that there's some unknown natural phenomenon being seen.  Ockham's razor suggests that there's likely something weird going on in the skies rather than a massive conspiracy though.

Captain Cactus

  • Bristles
  • ***
  • Posts: 311
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2021, 10:24:02 AM »
The idea that it's an unknown natural phenomenon seems pretty thin.  That puts what appears to be solid, fast moving objects in the same category as swamp gas and ball lightening.

Something is definitely being observed.

If it's the alien...I hope they bring universal free healthcare. 

PDXTabs

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 2516
  • Age: 38
  • Location: Portland, OR, USA
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2021, 11:21:21 AM »
I think that it has a lot to do with the data being declassified about them like The CIA released thousands of UFO documents online and Video taken by US Navy pilot appears to show UFO, Pentagon confirms video is real.

The CIA/Pentagon releases are pretty incredible.  We're talking decades of documented experiences and evidence from reliable witnesses.  No idea if it's aliens*, but there's certainly something strange that has been going on up in the skies.





I expected better from you :p  let's not forget those witnesses are human too and just because they're trained at their job they may not be more reliable than most other eye witness testimony which is terrible.

I will need 4k 60 fps video to shift in believing we've been visited.  or at least visited and spotted given such tech that would allow interstellar travel to be noticed by humans :p

I'd encourage you to go through the released data.  There are multiple instances where more than one pilot simultaneously witnessed weird stuff . . . that was caught on full motion video, and/or flir target tracking.  I worked on military FLIR systems, and the tracking abilities they've got are pretty incredible.  To fake this kind of thing you would need:
- ground crew and flight mechanics involved and willing to load special software onto the FLIR at serious risk of their careers for no apparent motivation
- several pilots all either pre-planning or deciding at the same time that they were all going to make stuff up that could potentially jeopardize their careers
- commanding officers willing to jeapordize their careers by filing reports they think are probably false
- this giant conspiracy wouldn't have benefited anyone as all information about it was immediately classified and remained that way for decades

As mentioned, no idea if it's aliens . . . it's entirely possible that there's some unknown natural phenomenon being seen.  Ockham's razor suggests that there's likely something weird going on in the skies rather than a massive conspiracy though.

Yea, the first link I posted includes a video taken from a Raytheon ATFLIR pod mounted to an F/A-18 flown by US Navy pilot(s) and has chain of custody documentation. The humans didn't even notice the object, the ATFLIR did, AFAIK.

EDITed to add - and as we get better technology, and more people, you would expect reports to go up for both explainable and unexplainable UFOs. Likewise for COVID folks staring at the sky out of boredom.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2021, 11:31:17 AM by PDXTabs »

PDXTabs

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 2516
  • Age: 38
  • Location: Portland, OR, USA
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2021, 11:34:32 AM »
or at least visited and spotted given such tech that would allow interstellar travel to be noticed by humans :p

If I was going to put my crazy hat on, I'd say that perhaps super advanced humans have mastered time travel and just want to come back and document some shit, like crazy future anthropologists.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2021, 12:27:45 PM by PDXTabs »

GuitarStv

  • Senior Mustachian
  • ********
  • Posts: 17660
  • Age: 39
  • Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2021, 12:18:37 PM »
or at least visited and spotted given such tech that would allow interstellar travel to be noticed by humans :p

If I was going to put my crazy hat on, I'd say that perhaps super advanced humans have masters time travel and just want to come back and document some shit, like crazy future anthropologists.

I love the optimism that humanity has a future.  :P

Roland of Gilead

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 2258
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2021, 01:22:13 PM »
I love the optimism that humanity has a future.  :P

But if he is right, in the future all humanity will really care about is kidnapping country folk and giving them anal probes.  Oh, and flashing lights in the sky.  Some future.

GuitarStv

  • Senior Mustachian
  • ********
  • Posts: 17660
  • Age: 39
  • Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2021, 01:28:20 PM »
I love the optimism that humanity has a future.  :P

But if he is right, in the future all humanity will really care about is kidnapping country folk and giving them anal probes.  Oh, and flashing lights in the sky.  Some future.

Agreed.  It's a comforting thought that future humans haven't really changed from current times.

PDXTabs

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 2516
  • Age: 38
  • Location: Portland, OR, USA
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2021, 02:10:27 PM »
I love the optimism that humanity has a future.  :P

But if he is right, in the future all humanity will really care about is kidnapping country folk and giving them anal probes.  Oh, and flashing lights in the sky.  Some future.

Agreed.  It's a comforting thought that future humans haven't really changed from current times.

Hey, you don't know why they need those anal probes. Perhaps there is some future butt-related disease that they are having trouble curing that we aren't susceptible to.

Also, the flashing lights in the sky could be an unrelated experiment from some poor soul in the psychology department desperately trying to finish their dissertation.

SunnyDays

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1745
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2021, 05:10:06 PM »
I think that it has a lot to do with the data being declassified about them like The CIA released thousands of UFO documents online and Video taken by US Navy pilot appears to show UFO, Pentagon confirms video is real.

The CIA/Pentagon releases are pretty incredible.  We're talking decades of documented experiences and evidence from reliable witnesses.  No idea if it's aliens*, but there's certainly something strange that has been going on up in the skies.





I expected better from you :p  let's not forget those witnesses are human too and just because they're trained at their job they may not be more reliable than most other eye witness testimony which is terrible.

I will need 4k 60 fps video to shift in believing we've been visited.  or at least visited and spotted given such tech that would allow interstellar travel to be noticed by humans :p

I'd encourage you to go through the released data.  There are multiple instances where more than one pilot simultaneously witnessed weird stuff . . . that was caught on full motion video, and/or flir target tracking.  I worked on military FLIR systems, and the tracking abilities they've got are pretty incredible.  To fake this kind of thing you would need:
- ground crew and flight mechanics involved and willing to load special software onto the FLIR at serious risk of their careers for no apparent motivation
- several pilots all either pre-planning or deciding at the same time that they were all going to make stuff up that could potentially jeopardize their careers
- commanding officers willing to jeapordize their careers by filing reports they think are probably false
- this giant conspiracy wouldn't have benefited anyone as all information about it was immediately classified and remained that way for decades

As mentioned, no idea if it's aliens . . . it's entirely possible that there's some unknown natural phenomenon being seen.  Ockham's razor suggests that there's likely something weird going on in the skies rather than a massive conspiracy though.

Yea, the first link I posted includes a video taken from a Raytheon ATFLIR pod mounted to an F/A-18 flown by US Navy pilot(s) and has chain of custody documentation. The humans didn't even notice the object, the ATFLIR did, AFAIK.

EDITed to add - and as we get better technology, and more people, you would expect reports to go up for both explainable and unexplainable UFOs. Likewise for COVID folks staring at the sky out of boredom.

Maybe it’s the same case, but I saw some UFO show where the military (?) recorded some saucer type craft on infrared that was not visible to the naked eye OR on radar.  Makes you wonder what could be going on right under our noses that just isn’t visible.  Humans can’t hear dog whistles; what can’t we see?

lost_in_the_endless_aisle

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1278
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #32 on: April 16, 2021, 06:33:58 PM »
This is a very lengthy article that argues the UFOs are peer-state drones gathering surveillance on US military assets. Some speculation on why the US military would play dumb or try to obfuscate such an interpretation. It's also likely that some of these are US drones and there is a general strategy for all states to avoid recognizing the existence of such extensive military surveillance efforts.

If you think it might be aliens, you also have to explain why we see stars in the sky emitting so much visible & UV light rather than infrared due to ubiquitous Dyson swarms.

GuitarStv

  • Senior Mustachian
  • ********
  • Posts: 17660
  • Age: 39
  • Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #33 on: April 16, 2021, 06:46:18 PM »
If you think it might be aliens, you also have to explain why we see stars in the sky emitting so much visible & UV light rather than infrared due to ubiquitous Dyson swarms.

No you don't.  We don't know shit about life on Earth.  We can't even properly define what it means to be alive (Is fire alive?  An argument can be made that it eats, metabolizes, excretes, breathes, moves, grows/reproduces.  Is a virus alive?  They do all of the same.  Look at how little we know about animals in the deep sea, or how we're discovering new things about small creatures like tardigrades.  The idea that we would be able to understand the thought process of a truly alien life form well enough to understand their problems and approaches to it is pretty ridiculous.  We don't even know if they would be cellular life, carbon based life, or even if they're capable of thought as we understand it.

And again, this is not to say that it's aliens - there are plenty of competing theories.  But there's something weird going on.

lost_in_the_endless_aisle

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1278
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #34 on: April 16, 2021, 06:58:03 PM »
If you think it might be aliens, you also have to explain why we see stars in the sky emitting so much visible & UV light rather than infrared due to ubiquitous Dyson swarms.

No you don't.  We don't know shit about life on Earth.  We can't even properly define what it means to be alive (Is fire alive?  An argument can be made that it eats, metabolizes, excretes, breathes, moves, grows/reproduces.  Is a virus alive?  They do all of the same.  Look at how little we know about animals in the deep sea, or how we're discovering new things about small creatures like tardigrades.  The idea that we would be able to understand the thought process of a truly alien life form well enough to understand their problems and approaches to it is pretty ridiculous.  We don't even know if they would be cellular life, carbon based life, or even if they're capable of thought as we understand it.

And again, this is not to say that it's aliens - there are plenty of competing theories.  But there's something weird going on.
I didn't say that explaining why aliens would not use all energy resources available to them is impossible to explain; i'm saying that given they don't do so requires an explanation. And that explanation would ideally be more than arm-waving.

Abe

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1921
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #35 on: April 16, 2021, 08:49:19 PM »
I read through a smattering of the FOIA dump's files.

Most in the earlier parts were "Corporal Jones, thank you for asking about whether we are looking into UFOs. We are. Nothing to report yet. Here is the org chart if you are really bored and want to read through it. Sincerely, ___"

Most of the latter ones were "Look what goofy shows they have on the line-up for Channel __ out of Estonia! This one is about UFOs!"

There was one from a Soviet general talking about UFOs being some kind of US spy craft, much like the article lost linked to. 

The only one interesting was a report from Lithuania about some army patrol stumbling on a small orb that launched into the air really fast and blew down a bunch of grass.

jehovasfitness23

  • Stubble
  • **
  • Posts: 238
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #36 on: Today at 05:51:07 AM »
I find it pretty amazing that UFO's were never reported before 1945. For all of human history, no one had ever reported a UFO sighting. No sooner do humans learn how to fly, then POOF! we start to see UFO's.

Exactly. Almost like a hollywood creation or at the very least during a time when people had so much free time they started dreaming up things.

WhiteTrashCash

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1804
Re: Hearing more and more about UFOs?
« Reply #37 on: Today at 06:06:40 AM »
We had a lot of UFO sightings on Hillbilly Mountain when “Uncle Elmer” had a few cans of Natty Ice and mistook flybys from the nearby Air Force base for reconnaissance by cattle-probing little grey men. It did lead to some nice tourism bucks, though, when people who watched a few too many episodes of “The X-Files” tromped up the mountain to see if “the truth is out there.” So it turns out that alien craziness is great for everybody from either an entertainment or economic standpoint.