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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8450 on: July 18, 2021, 08:26:16 AM »
the capitalization is not even in the top ten of outrageous things about that statement coming from a Former President.

"GEN Milley's only purpose there was to kiss my ass and I'm pissed he chose to do literally anything else."

I'm curious if any of those you know in the military have turned away from Trumpism due to this and his other military disrespecting statements? 
I know the military members traditionally vote Republican, but isn't there a limit where you say, Maybe this is too much and I ought to look at the other party? 
Or is okay for them to watch their leaders get their asses kicked metaphorically speaking by someone they voted for?

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« Reply #8451 on: July 18, 2021, 08:49:45 AM »
the capitalization is not even in the top ten of outrageous things about that statement coming from a Former President.

"GEN Milley's only purpose there was to kiss my ass and I'm pissed he chose to do literally anything else."

I'm curious if any of those you know in the military have turned away from Trumpism due to this and his other military disrespecting statements? 
I know the military members traditionally vote Republican, but isn't there a limit where you say, Maybe this is too much and I ought to look at the other party? 
Or is okay for them to watch their leaders get their asses kicked metaphorically speaking by someone they voted for?

Thereís always been a dichotomy between the brass and the grunts, the enlisted and the officers. Trump lost the respect of the commanding core early on, but thatís only solidified his hold on the rank and files.

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« Reply #8452 on: July 18, 2021, 09:04:52 AM »
You might try keeping an eye out for an (uncontroversial?) news clip they might be interested in from an news site that is outside their usual knowledge - Canadian, maybe?  Australian?  BBC?

Good advice, but they're so close-minded that I think it's completely out of the question! (Not going to repeat the nasty hateful things they've said about Canada -- probably also influenced by Fox News)

I believe the term in right-wing circles is ďSoviet Canuckistan.Ē

T***p did label us a security risk, remember?  We are therefore much more dangerous than Russia, since he was best buds with Putin.

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« Reply #8453 on: July 18, 2021, 11:18:52 AM »
If he does run again, and somehow manages to get elected... who the hell would be willing to jump aboard for the cabinet and other high level positions?  I mean seriously -- anyone who would be willing to participate in the potential upcoming shit-show would be people that you would really not being in any position of power, ever.

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« Reply #8454 on: July 18, 2021, 11:39:49 AM »
If he does run again, and somehow manages to get elected... who the hell would be willing to jump aboard for the cabinet and other high level positions?  I mean seriously -- anyone who would be willing to participate in the potential upcoming shit-show would be people that you would really not being in any position of power, ever.

I donít see a lot of highly-skilled professionals willing to sign on - in fact the last few years of his Presidency was marred by an inability to fill positions with top-tier candidates.

Thatís very different from saying no one will jump into that inferno.  Thereís no shortage of highly-ambitious politicians with flexible morals who will see Trumpís coattails as a magical ride from obscurity to fame (or infamy?). Matt Gaetz and Margarie Taylor-Greene are just two of the latest.  Remember Graham publicly said a choice between Ted Cruz and Trump was ďlike choosing whether you want to be poisoned or shotĒ before deciding being Trumpís most enthusiastic cheerleader was in his best interest.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8455 on: July 18, 2021, 11:44:19 AM »
Hopefully some would be actual dedicated public servants who are there to moderate Trumpís impulses even though they know theyíre going to be sacrificed.

I donít understand why the moderate elements of the Republican Party canít unite behind a Romney or Kasich or Liz Cheney. Those three are pretty firm conservatives, definitely conservative in the economic realm. Instead, people are getting dragged into a fabricated culture war. 

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« Reply #8456 on: July 18, 2021, 12:46:44 PM »
Hopefully some would be actual dedicated public servants who are there to moderate Trumpís impulses even though they know theyíre going to be sacrificed.

I donít understand why the moderate elements of the Republican Party canít unite behind a Romney or Kasich or Liz Cheney. Those three are pretty firm conservatives, definitely conservative in the economic realm. Instead, people are getting dragged into a fabricated culture war.

Because there's no point in uniting behind a moderate member. They have what? 10 votes in the house and 5 votes in the Senate at best? The moderate GOP caucus is about as significant as the "Justice Dems". They both say a bunch of stuff, but more or less fall in line when needed.

The political dichotomy right now is Neoliberalism (ie conservative Democrats) vs Fascism (GOP). The democrats of today basically vote like the GOP from the Nixon era, but most people don't have the patience to learn that sort of history.

Truly moderate GOP voters will either sit out of politics or start splitting there ticket and voting for more dems depending on their location. But most voters are blind followers, so they don't pay too close of attention to what is actually happening in politics.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8457 on: July 18, 2021, 03:15:47 PM »
I donít disagree with you, but it leaves a lot of people trapped in the middle. Canít vote for the GOP fascists, but hoping that the democrats donít ever too far left. A multi-party system would let the fringes form their own parties and then perhaps we could get a center coalition that could find its way down the middle. With all the name calling and tribalism, itís really hard for people to switch. And yes, there are a lot of unaffiliated voters, but the candidates donít come from the middle, they come from the edges where the advocates are.

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« Reply #8458 on: July 18, 2021, 03:59:11 PM »
I donít disagree with you, but it leaves a lot of people trapped in the middle. Canít vote for the GOP fascists, but hoping that the democrats donít ever too far left. A multi-party system would let the fringes form their own parties and then perhaps we could get a center coalition that could find its way down the middle. With all the name calling and tribalism, itís really hard for people to switch. And yes, there are a lot of unaffiliated voters, but the candidates donít come from the middle, they come from the edges where the advocates are.

You all do know that your left party is central to moderately right by most countries' standards?  It is truly surreal reading American political discussions. 

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8459 on: July 18, 2021, 04:03:07 PM »
I donít disagree with you, but it leaves a lot of people trapped in the middle. Canít vote for the GOP fascists, but hoping that the democrats donít ever too far left. A multi-party system would let the fringes form their own parties and then perhaps we could get a center coalition that could find its way down the middle. With all the name calling and tribalism, itís really hard for people to switch. And yes, there are a lot of unaffiliated voters, but the candidates donít come from the middle, they come from the edges where the advocates are.

You all do know that your left party is central to moderately right by most countries' standards?  It is truly surreal reading American political discussions. 

Canadian tourist rules in the US:  do not discuss politics/religion/guns/health care.  Nice weather, eh?

Yeah.  There aren't any parties close to left wing in US politics.  It's just right of middle and extreme right.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8460 on: July 18, 2021, 04:37:49 PM »
I donít disagree with you, but it leaves a lot of people trapped in the middle. Canít vote for the GOP fascists, but hoping that the democrats donít ever too far left. A multi-party system would let the fringes form their own parties and then perhaps we could get a center coalition that could find its way down the middle. With all the name calling and tribalism, itís really hard for people to switch. And yes, there are a lot of unaffiliated voters, but the candidates donít come from the middle, they come from the edges where the advocates are.

You all do know that your left party is central to moderately right by most countries' standards?  It is truly surreal reading American political discussions. 

Canadian tourist rules in the US:  do not discuss politics/religion/guns/health care.  Nice weather, eh?

Yeah.  There aren't any parties close to left wing in US politics.  It's just right of middle and extreme right.

Yep. Actual liberals are derided as "commies." It's frustrating as hell for those of us not enthralled with religion, firearms, and libertarianism.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8461 on: July 18, 2021, 04:56:16 PM »
I donít disagree with you, but it leaves a lot of people trapped in the middle. Canít vote for the GOP fascists, but hoping that the democrats donít ever too far left. A multi-party system would let the fringes form their own parties and then perhaps we could get a center coalition that could find its way down the middle. With all the name calling and tribalism, itís really hard for people to switch. And yes, there are a lot of unaffiliated voters, but the candidates donít come from the middle, they come from the edges where the advocates are.

As a few other have said, it's really difficult to see "moderate GOP" voters scared to vote for a conservative democrat as anything other than completely bamboozled by GOP propaganda.

I mean, even Nancy Pelosi, the one claimed to be the super ultra liberal that will bring in the new dawn of Socialism is against lowering the Medicare age by 5 years. There's hardly anything "lefty" about the Democratic party and it seems that no matter how many times they try to prove it, voters don't believe them. And "moderate GOP" voters keep voting in hardline Senators and then ask "Why can't congress get anything done?" I don't know, maybe stop voting in GOP Senators and living in the fantasy land where both parties are acting in good faith.

The absolute best thing that could happen for American politics would be where enough Democrats would completely outnumber GOP members 70 to 30 so that the politicians that are actually interested in governing can have a real conservative vs liberal debate and compromise. Because what we have now is completely messed up and is almost all completely the fault of Mitch McConnel, Newt Gingrich, and to a lesser extent Harry Reid imo.

I really don't know what candidate you're talking about "coming from the edges" and no moderate existing in politics. Moderation and Compromise was basically the only thing Biden ever mentioned. And basically every Dem in a swing state all ran on moderately conservative politics. (Can anyone say with a straight face that Kelly, Sinema, Warnock, Ossoff, and Hickenlooper are super lefties?) Compare that to a place like Alabama who traded away the moderate Doug Jones for a complete boob Tuberville.

Dems are really just bad at messaging and loudly announcing what they've accomplished. And of course the GOP have way more money behind them too.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8462 on: July 18, 2021, 06:14:11 PM »
And of course the GOP have way more money behind them too.

I suspect this is why they do so well, they just drown out the opposition.  And of course deep pockets means they can hire advertising firms and PR firms and think tanks to figure out what messages will work best for them.  Spin, spin spin, they should be tops.

Election financing is a valid topic for discussion in any democracy.  It comes up every so often here.  It probably should more often.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8463 on: July 18, 2021, 07:54:10 PM »
the capitalization is not even in the top ten of outrageous things about that statement coming from a Former President.

"GEN Milley's only purpose there was to kiss my ass and I'm pissed he chose to do literally anything else."

I'm curious if any of those you know in the military have turned away from Trumpism due to this and his other military disrespecting statements? 
I know the military members traditionally vote Republican, but isn't there a limit where you say, Maybe this is too much and I ought to look at the other party? 
Or is okay for them to watch their leaders get their asses kicked metaphorically speaking by someone they voted for?

Trump did more to push the military to the left than the Democrat Party could ever hope to achieve.  Having said that, there are plenty of true-believers in the rank and file who hang on his every word.  It's difficult as a military leader to do silly things like follow and enforce EEO, protect the force from a pandemic, and defend our strategic interests when the boss flaunts all of it from his pulpit.  June 2020 he and his supporters were screaming "why isn't the Army crushing these protests?!"  We had to hold meetings with our troops and remind them that the US Army doesn't exist to shoot unarmed US citizens in the streets.  Senior officers felt like rebels for following their oaths and doing one thing while Trump was demanding on television that they do the opposite.  We were limiting training, requiring masks, and keeping an eye on everyone's travels so the entire Army didn't catch COVID and Trump was practically daring the entire country to get sick.  We had to punish soldiers for following his lead.  How fucked up is that?  Trump wanted credit for developing vaccines while at the same time poisoning everyone's faith in the medical system that created them so that large numbers of troops still don't want to get them.  Then with days left in his administration he wanted to pull us out of Germany, Afghanistan, and South Korea just to troll our allies because they pushed back against him on some subjects.  Trump attacking Milley hasn't changed any minds that weren't already changed 6-12 months ago. We were already there.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8464 on: July 19, 2021, 06:21:42 AM »
@Travis , thank you for this information.

Two years ago, I really thought the whole national anthem thing would be an effective wedge issue for Trump to keep support from a lot of military families. What you're describing sounds so outrageous in comparison because it involves mismanaging an actual threat to health and life.

I think a lot of people fail to appreciate the extent to which Trump and the inner circle around him (Ben Carson, for example) were given access to a higher level of health care than is available to most of us in order to ride out their own COVID cases.


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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8465 on: July 19, 2021, 07:26:11 AM »
@Travis , thank you for this information.

Two years ago, I really thought the whole national anthem thing would be an effective wedge issue for Trump to keep support from a lot of military families. What you're describing sounds so outrageous in comparison because it involves mismanaging an actual threat to health and life.

I think a lot of people fail to appreciate the extent to which Trump and the inner circle around him (Ben Carson, for example) were given access to a higher level of health care than is available to most of us in order to ride out their own COVID cases.

A lot of swing voters swung hard against him this time. I'm curious what the final analysis will say about why or when they made that decision.  For many of my right-leaning coworkers, the June riots did it for them. At the same time he was chomping at the bit to turn us into his brute squad he was also doubling down on his racism and sexism. Some of his active duty supporters were shaken from the tree and having been playing the victim card for getting noticed ever since.  The flag-kneeling thing became impossible to defend after the Capitol attack. "How dare you kneel during the national anthem while we use that same flag to beat cops to death" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

I've never taken the time to do it, but often I imagine what a side by side comparison would look like of his COVID statements next to US COVID casualties starting with "It's just one guy" and culminating in his "I must be immune" after 3 days of getting every possible drug combo shoved down his throat and still being on the verge of needing the ICU. Right about the time we surpassed WW2 deaths.  If I had a COVID victim in my family that would probably be the "nothing will shame or humble this guy" moment for me.  Assuming you hadn't already figured that out.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8466 on: July 19, 2021, 09:28:37 AM »
Quote from: Trump, while still actively sick with covid
Now I'm better and maybe I'm immune.

I'd link the tweet but it's been forever banned and deleted.  *sad trombone*

It's surreal to go back through all the batshit crazy stuff that guy has said.  It was surreal living through it in real time, but it's also still surreal to relive it. 

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8467 on: July 19, 2021, 09:29:53 AM »
Travis, thanks for your comments. This isn't exactly what you were asking for, but it is pretty close on the comparison of deaths to Trump quotes:
https://doggett.house.gov/media-center/blog-posts/timeline-trump-s-coronavirus-responses

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8468 on: July 19, 2021, 05:14:33 PM »
Travis, thanks for your comments. This isn't exactly what you were asking for, but it is pretty close on the comparison of deaths to Trump quotes:
https://doggett.house.gov/media-center/blog-posts/timeline-trump-s-coronavirus-responses

Bookmarked for posterity. It was even worse than I remember.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8469 on: July 20, 2021, 10:44:34 AM »
If you were to create a national crisis in a lab, and design every dimension of it such that Trump's weaknesses would be exposed, it would pretty much be this COVID thing.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8470 on: July 20, 2021, 11:13:28 AM »
If you were to create a national crisis in a lab, and design every dimension of it such that Trump's weaknesses would be exposed, it would pretty much be this COVID thing.

His flaws are a failure of basic leadership, failure to understand of his own weaknesses, valuing loyalty over capability in those around him, hubris, inability to work with others, inability to tell the truth, and a goal of personal enrichment at all costs.  I don't believe he would have ended up looking any better with any other major crisis.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8471 on: July 21, 2021, 09:59:41 AM »
I don't believe your list is complete:

add Management toward measures that don't matter (stock prices), lack of attention toward long-term planning.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8472 on: July 21, 2021, 10:19:21 AM »
I know it's not a good measure of a President, but I would quit a company if I had Trump as my CEO.  And if I had to directly report to Trump, I would run screaming from that position!  I don't care how powerful my boss is, I'm going to call him or her out on BS and it sounds like Trump would then take pleasure in publicly humiliating me, only then afterwards to make a grand gesture of firing me like I was the problem...   I honestly felt sorry for folks in Trump's orbit that tried to do the right thing for the country by throwing themselves under his sizable bus.  So many amazing American patriots were painted by Trump as cowards and liars - it turns my stomach to even think about it.  Senator John McCain, Army Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman, Marie Yovanovitch... not to mention all of the gold star families.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8474 on: July 21, 2021, 12:19:12 PM »
I think it's common knowledge that he very clearly lives in a specifically crafted alternate version of reality...but it's still no less jarring to read him spilling out falsehood after falsehood after falsehood with a completely straight face and despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Just a stunning level of disregard for the truth

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8475 on: July 21, 2021, 12:39:19 PM »
If you were to create a national crisis in a lab, and design every dimension of it such that Trump's weaknesses would be exposed, it would pretty much be this COVID thing.

I always think of the drowning man "epistle" when I read things like this.  And God said:  I sent you <insert any number of things - the video, firing anyone competent,  Putin, hurricane Maria, etc.>  I sent you a pandemic.  And still you believed him.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8476 on: July 27, 2021, 12:27:47 PM »
I'm sure we'll have plenty of serious Trump outrages per day as the Jan 6th investigation picks up momentum, but I found this little sidebar of Texas politics revolving around Trump to be a welcome diversion - https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/27/politics/george-p-bush-donald-trump-ken-paxton/index.html

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George P. Bush wanted Donald Trump's endorsement badly. Or, at a minimum, he wanted the former president to stay out of his primary challenge to Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton.
To make that happen, George P. Bush kissed up to Trump in the most obsequious -- and embarrassing -- ways possible.
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George P. playing the sycophant was particularly galling given that Trump had savaged his father, Jeb Bush, repeatedly during the 2016 campaign. And had attacked his uncle, former President George W. Bush, for the war in Iraq -- among other things. And retweeted a Twitter user who claimed that Jeb Bush "has to like the Mexican Illegals because of his wife." (Jeb's wife and George P.'s mother, Columba, came to the United States legally.)
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Which brings me to Monday night -- and this statement from Trump:
"Attorney General Ken Paxton has been bravely on the front line in the fight for Texas, and America, against the vicious and very dangerous Radical Left Democrats, and the foolish and unsuspecting RINOs that are destroying our Country. ... It is going to take a PATRIOT like Ken Paxton to advance America First policies in order to Make America Great Again. Ken has my Complete and Total Endorsement for another term as Attorney General of Texas. He is a true Texan who will keep Texas safeóand will never let you down!"
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The lesson here for Bush -- and any other Republican trying to curry favor with the former president -- is simple: Trump only cares about Trump, and what he perceives to be good for Trump.

Paxton brought (edited for context) a lawsuit to try to overturn the election results. That is the most important thing for Trump -- at least right now. And so, all of Bush's playing nice with Trump -- at the expense of, well, his entire extended family -- doesn't matter a bit.

Trump demands total loyalty from everyone. But he promises none in return. His loyalty is entirely transactional. Do something good for him, he will say something nice about you. But if someone does something even nicer -- by his assessment -- for him, then he will throw you over in a second for them.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8477 on: July 27, 2021, 12:30:49 PM »
It was going to be a difficult challenge for P. no matter what. He probably has no chance of unseating Paxton now.

Trump's transactionality is so blatant, but it doesn't seem as though there's any other path to advance within modern Republican politics.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8478 on: July 27, 2021, 01:40:54 PM »
6 days between posts on this thread...a record??

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8479 on: July 27, 2021, 01:46:11 PM »
I feel such joy when I see that this thread has not updated, but lately I think we have been ignoring some particularly eggregious assaults on the idea of representative government.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8480 on: July 27, 2021, 08:59:16 PM »
I feel such joy when I see that this thread has not updated, but lately I think we have been ignoring some particularly eggregious assaults on the idea of representative government.

If we want to open the playing field beyond Trump, there's plenty to talk about this week.

Regarding the Paxton race - the majority of Texans absolutely love their governor and attorney general who have been riding high on anti-immigration, anti-voting, and anti-anything Democrat for the last couple years. The lt. governor was ready to pin a medal on the people who drove the Biden caravan off the highway during the election season. Bush clearly doesn't understand the race he's in.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8481 on: July 28, 2021, 06:09:26 AM »
George P. Bush capitulating to Trump in the disgusting, obsequious way that he has--when Trump has been so brazenly mean to his own father--shows he does understand the race that he is in.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8482 on: July 28, 2021, 06:19:07 AM »
George P. Bush capitulating to Trump in the disgusting, obsequious way that he has--when Trump has been so brazenly mean to his own father--shows he does understand the race that he is in.

And his mother.

I don't think he understands what race he's in. His father and uncle (and late grandfather) very publicly have no love for Trump, and George P. himself is up against an extremely loyal Trump toadie with no Mexican heritage.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8483 on: July 28, 2021, 06:57:52 AM »
I can't help but wonder at this point "who" would investigate a Trump assassination? What purpose does he serve for the GOP now?  It seems that the majority would be happy if he was gone.

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« Reply #8484 on: July 28, 2021, 07:03:32 AM »
I can't help but wonder at this point "who" would investigate a Trump assassination? What purpose does he serve for the GOP now?  It seems that the majority would be happy if he was gone.
They'd be happy if he were gone but only so they can occupy his space - the Trump populism and corruption/lies have taken complete hold of the GOP.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8485 on: July 28, 2021, 07:39:13 AM »
I disagree that an assassination would help anyone. (not that I would ever encourage or support violence)

Being able to venerate a sainted Trump--who wasn't continuing to create drama and filth every day--would only further embolden the wrong people.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8486 on: July 28, 2021, 08:42:03 AM »
I disagree that an assassination would help anyone. (not that I would ever encourage or support violence)

Being able to venerate a sainted Trump--who wasn't continuing to create drama and filth every day--would only further embolden the wrong people.

Even if he died of natural causes (heart attack, stroke) or accident (plane crash, fall) can you imagine the crazy conspiracy theories? Heíd still be a martyr.

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« Reply #8487 on: July 28, 2021, 09:03:58 AM »
I disagree that an assassination would help anyone. (not that I would ever encourage or support violence)

Being able to venerate a sainted Trump--who wasn't continuing to create drama and filth every day--would only further embolden the wrong people.

Even if he died of natural causes (heart attack, stroke) or accident (plane crash, fall) can you imagine the crazy conspiracy theories? Heíd still be a martyr.




What if died of AIDS from Rudy or maybe from Putin?  Wonder how the Trumpjobs would twist that?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8488 on: July 28, 2021, 09:17:14 AM »
GreenEggs, have you considered going for a walk outside or lifting weights or something? This really is not healthy.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8489 on: July 28, 2021, 10:35:12 AM »
I donít disagree with you, but it leaves a lot of people trapped in the middle. Canít vote for the GOP fascists, but hoping that the democrats donít ever too far left. A multi-party system would let the fringes form their own parties and then perhaps we could get a center coalition that could find its way down the middle. With all the name calling and tribalism, itís really hard for people to switch. And yes, there are a lot of unaffiliated voters, but the candidates donít come from the middle, they come from the edges where the advocates are.

You all do know that your left party is central to moderately right by most countries' standards?  It is truly surreal reading American political discussions. 

Canadian tourist rules in the US:  do not discuss politics/religion/guns/health care.  Nice weather, eh?

Yeah.  There aren't any parties close to left wing in US politics.  It's just right of middle and extreme right.

The dem party might be even more right of our conservative party on a lot of issues. It's crazy how far right the U.S.A has become. Like Bernie Sanders would barely be a NDP candidate.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8490 on: July 28, 2021, 10:53:57 AM »
I disagree that an assassination would help anyone. (not that I would ever encourage or support violence)

Being able to venerate a sainted Trump--who wasn't continuing to create drama and filth every day--would only further embolden the wrong people.

Even if he died of natural causes (heart attack, stroke) or accident (plane crash, fall) can you imagine the crazy conspiracy theories? Heíd still be a martyr.




What if died of AIDS from Rudy or maybe from Putin?  Wonder how the Trumpjobs would twist that?

They would call it fake news. Pretty simple.

You have a history on the forum of contemplating Trump's death. I think we'd all be better off if you could just let it rest.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8491 on: July 28, 2021, 11:04:40 AM »
David French--a reliable conservative critic of Trump--addresses the macro version of this question: both liberals and conservatives (the militant ones) think we'd have a better country if we could just remove the other side somehow. But that's obviously not something that can happen while we maintain other values; it could in some sort of Civil Disobedience or fracturing of the country, but we seek to avoid that.

So instead, we're left with the problem of how to build a country that accommodates the other side. And, yes, that includes a country in which we have clowns like Trump continuing to be active.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8492 on: July 28, 2021, 04:42:13 PM »
I disagree that an assassination would help anyone. (not that I would ever encourage or support violence)

Being able to venerate a sainted Trump--who wasn't continuing to create drama and filth every day--would only further embolden the wrong people.

Even if he died of natural causes (heart attack, stroke) or accident (plane crash, fall) can you imagine the crazy conspiracy theories? Heíd still be a martyr.




What if died of AIDS from Rudy or maybe from Putin?  Wonder how the Trumpjobs would twist that?

They would call it fake news. Pretty simple.

You have a history on the forum of contemplating Trump's death. I think we'd all be better off if you could just let it rest.




Whatever.  I just hate what he's done to our country. 

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8493 on: July 29, 2021, 05:27:33 AM »
OP here. I also am appalled by the ways the country has changed because of Donald Trump.

I am also appalled by some things that Donald Trump has not changed, but merely revealed in my fellow citizens.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8494 on: July 29, 2021, 06:43:24 AM »

I am also appalled by some things that Donald Trump has not changed, but merely revealed in my fellow citizens.

This...a million times. My wife and I have had numerous conversations over the years about people who we always considered good friends who have expressed full throated support for Trump. We find ourselves wondering if they were always terrible people and just hid it well, and now that Trump made it "okay" to be openly racist, corrupt, immoral, etc. they feel more secure waving those flags since there are obviously millions more people like them...or if they were just turned to the dark side by q-anon, fox news, oann, etc.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8495 on: July 29, 2021, 08:28:15 AM »

I am also appalled by some things that Donald Trump has not changed, but merely revealed in my fellow citizens.

This...a million times. My wife and I have had numerous conversations over the years about people who we always considered good friends who have expressed full throated support for Trump. We find ourselves wondering if they were always terrible people and just hid it well, and now that Trump made it "okay" to be openly racist, corrupt, immoral, etc. they feel more secure waving those flags since there are obviously millions more people like them...or if they were just turned to the dark side by q-anon, fox news, oann, etc.

Sadly, several respectable small business owners couldn't resist bankers offering to help them defraud the PPP...  hard to resist when their cohorts are bragging about how easy it was to get free money.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8496 on: July 29, 2021, 04:31:17 PM »

I am also appalled by some things that Donald Trump has not changed, but merely revealed in my fellow citizens.

This...a million times. My wife and I have had numerous conversations over the years about people who we always considered good friends who have expressed full throated support for Trump. We find ourselves wondering if they were always terrible people and just hid it well, and now that Trump made it "okay" to be openly racist, corrupt, immoral, etc. they feel more secure waving those flags since there are obviously millions more people like them...or if they were just turned to the dark side by q-anon, fox news, oann, etc.

This.
My family members went from discussing racist views through post-family dinner talks, framed as philosophical ponderings, to loudly proclaiming "Fucking Raghead" as a Muslim woman walked up the airplane aisle.
They have also flown a Trump (not republican) flag in their front yard since 2015.
I don't know how anyone can pretend that he hasn't emboldened people to escalate their bigoted behavior.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8497 on: July 29, 2021, 06:02:35 PM »
Yeah lot of people were just hiding behind polite smiles in front of other whites, but bare their teeth once the 'polite company' leaves. Now they can let their junk hang out, so to speak. Compared to when I was a kid, the racists are saying the same old stuff to us non-whites, but somehow suddenly remembered their friends are racists too, so they don't need to bury their true feelings anymore! As long as it doesn't get on social media because then you'll lose your job (which is a new, harsher punishment than before). All those years of pent-up racism finally free to be fully expressed. If it wasn't, you know, racism, it would be beautiful how free people feel to express their opinions now. The open bigotry has helped in some way because now friends believe me (went from "huh, silly rural southerners!" to "oh s--- this is a big problem").
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8498 on: July 30, 2021, 11:25:04 AM »
This.
My family members went from discussing racist views through post-family dinner talks, framed as philosophical ponderings, to loudly proclaiming "Fucking Raghead" as a Muslim woman walked up the airplane aisle.
They have also flown a Trump (not republican) flag in their front yard since 2015.
I don't know how anyone can pretend that he hasn't emboldened people to escalate their bigoted behavior.
I always thought "raghead" mens those people who still carry that old rag named Confederate Flag, because they have nothing else in their head.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #8499 on: July 30, 2021, 11:34:50 AM »
This.
My family members went from discussing racist views through post-family dinner talks, framed as philosophical ponderings, to loudly proclaiming "Fucking Raghead" as a Muslim woman walked up the airplane aisle.
They have also flown a Trump (not republican) flag in their front yard since 2015.
I don't know how anyone can pretend that he hasn't emboldened people to escalate their bigoted behavior.
I always thought "raghead" mens those people who still carry that old rag named Confederate Flag, because they have nothing else in their head.

It's definitely a disparaging term for middle eastern/asian people, possibly including the Sikhs. Violent bigots aren't known for an overabundance of education and I'm not sure that most of them know that Sikhs aren't Muslim.