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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7550 on: February 23, 2021, 09:03:51 AM »
Apparently the turbines, along with most of the infrastructure at other power plants, simply weren't winterized because it was cheaper to not pay for that.
Free Market working.

It's just too expensive to prepare for those fringe cases. It's cheaper for the company to not have income from selling energy for 2 weeks every decade than to have to pay for all that.

Having a yearly outage of under 1 hour is something for socialist states.

Winterizing does not create outages, even for 1 hour, and this cannot be blamed on free market economics, as utilities in Texas are anything but. 
The failures certainly do seem to be related to profit and cost concerns, but that isn’t the same thing as the free market.

I think the implication was that striving for annual outages of <1 hr is for socialist states, and you should maximize profit by not winterizing and just suffering through 2 weeks of outages every decade.  Not that winterizing causes any outages; It's just socialist to not maximize profits, and you ain't no god damn socialist, are you?

I completely agree that it was a failure driven by maximizing profits.  But it's false to assume that it is the fault of "free markets" - utilities are the antithesis of a free market system in the US (and/or Texas).
in other words, LennStar got the motivation right (maximizing profit) but the mechanism wrong (free market).
Yes, anything with a captive market, such as electricity supplied through a single grid by big suppliers to individual people, is not "free market", it's an unregulated monopoly with some internal competition between the parties that make up the monopoly.

Electrical distribution is impossible to have a free market then.  So why are Republicans so keen to push an unregulated monopoly with some internal competition?
1.  They don't care about "good government", partly because "all government is bad" and partly because they got into politics for reasons other than being concerned about good government.

2.  Politics is their career and being a Republican politician means relying on contributions from big corporations that benefit financially from skewed market regulation.

3.  They believe Reagan's lies about "the market", despite evidence to the contrary.

4.  They are stupid, venal and selfish.

5.  All of the above.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7551 on: February 23, 2021, 09:27:48 AM »
Apparently the turbines, along with most of the infrastructure at other power plants, simply weren't winterized because it was cheaper to not pay for that.
Free Market working.

It's just too expensive to prepare for those fringe cases. It's cheaper for the company to not have income from selling energy for 2 weeks every decade than to have to pay for all that.

Having a yearly outage of under 1 hour is something for socialist states.

Winterizing does not create outages, even for 1 hour, and this cannot be blamed on free market economics, as utilities in Texas are anything but. 
The failures certainly do seem to be related to profit and cost concerns, but that isn’t the same thing as the free market.

I think the implication was that striving for annual outages of <1 hr is for socialist states, and you should maximize profit by not winterizing and just suffering through 2 weeks of outages every decade.  Not that winterizing causes any outages; It's just socialist to not maximize profits, and you ain't no god damn socialist, are you?

I completely agree that it was a failure driven by maximizing profits.  But it's false to assume that it is the fault of "free markets" - utilities are the antithesis of a free market system in the US (and/or Texas).
in other words, LennStar got the motivation right (maximizing profit) but the mechanism wrong (free market).
Yes, anything with a captive market, such as electricity supplied through a single grid by big suppliers to individual people, is not "free market", it's an unregulated monopoly with some internal competition between the parties that make up the monopoly.

Electrical distribution is impossible to have a free market then.  So why are Republicans so keen to push an unregulated monopoly with some internal competition?

Deregulation and eliminating government involvement in business is an end unto itself regardless of the circumstances or consequences for the GOP.  In most states there are just one or two utility providers. There's no such thing as "shopping around for the best deal." What little regulation that exists is all that keeps them from holding people and even state governments hostage.  There was a hurricane that hit the New England area a couple years ago. The utility for that area sent people electricity bills based on what they would have used had their town not been wiped off the map.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7552 on: February 23, 2021, 10:37:13 AM »
Apparently the turbines, along with most of the infrastructure at other power plants, simply weren't winterized because it was cheaper to not pay for that.
Free Market working.

It's just too expensive to prepare for those fringe cases. It's cheaper for the company to not have income from selling energy for 2 weeks every decade than to have to pay for all that.

Having a yearly outage of under 1 hour is something for socialist states.

Winterizing does not create outages, even for 1 hour, and this cannot be blamed on free market economics, as utilities in Texas are anything but. 
The failures certainly do seem to be related to profit and cost concerns, but that isn’t the same thing as the free market.

I think the implication was that striving for annual outages of <1 hr is for socialist states, and you should maximize profit by not winterizing and just suffering through 2 weeks of outages every decade.  Not that winterizing causes any outages; It's just socialist to not maximize profits, and you ain't no god damn socialist, are you?

I completely agree that it was a failure driven by maximizing profits.  But it's false to assume that it is the fault of "free markets" - utilities are the antithesis of a free market system in the US (and/or Texas).
in other words, LennStar got the motivation right (maximizing profit) but the mechanism wrong (free market).
Yes, anything with a captive market, such as electricity supplied through a single grid by big suppliers to individual people, is not "free market", it's an unregulated monopoly with some internal competition between the parties that make up the monopoly.

Electrical distribution is impossible to have a free market then.  So why are Republicans so keen to push an unregulated monopoly with some internal competition?

Deregulation and eliminating government involvement in business is an end unto itself regardless of the circumstances or consequences for the GOP.  In most states there are just one or two utility providers. There's no such thing as "shopping around for the best deal." What little regulation that exists is all that keeps them from holding people and even state governments hostage.  There was a hurricane that hit the New England area a couple years ago. The utility for that area sent people electricity bills based on what they would have used had their town not been wiped off the map.


This is a good point.  I live in a state where there is a $5/month/kW fee for solar power.  We don't get quite enough sun for a completely off-grid system to be feasible so the power company charges a fee to offset the amount that you wouldn't be paying them for.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7553 on: February 23, 2021, 10:50:43 AM »
You are all making me really appreciate Hydro-Quebec and Hydro One (Ontario's main provider) plus my own provider, Hydro Ottawa.

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« Reply #7554 on: February 23, 2021, 11:12:26 AM »
You are all making me really appreciate Hydro-Quebec and Hydro One (Ontario's main provider) plus my own provider, Hydro Ottawa.

Made me think of this:


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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7555 on: February 23, 2021, 11:48:06 AM »
This is a good point.  I live in a state where there is a $5/month/kW fee for solar power.  We don't get quite enough sun for a completely off-grid system to be feasible so the power company charges a fee to offset the amount that you wouldn't be paying them for.

That seems punitive.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7556 on: February 23, 2021, 12:05:18 PM »
Apparently the turbines, along with most of the infrastructure at other power plants, simply weren't winterized because it was cheaper to not pay for that.
Free Market working.

It's just too expensive to prepare for those fringe cases. It's cheaper for the company to not have income from selling energy for 2 weeks every decade than to have to pay for all that.

Having a yearly outage of under 1 hour is something for socialist states.

Winterizing does not create outages, even for 1 hour, and this cannot be blamed on free market economics, as utilities in Texas are anything but. 
The failures certainly do seem to be related to profit and cost concerns, but that isn’t the same thing as the free market.

I think the implication was that striving for annual outages of <1 hr is for socialist states, and you should maximize profit by not winterizing and just suffering through 2 weeks of outages every decade.  Not that winterizing causes any outages; It's just socialist to not maximize profits, and you ain't no god damn socialist, are you?

I think Gov. Abbott will face a primary challenger who basically says this next year.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7557 on: February 23, 2021, 12:10:16 PM »
You are all making me really appreciate Hydro-Quebec and Hydro One (Ontario's main provider) plus my own provider, Hydro Ottawa.

Made me think of this:


Me too.  The difference was, we had never had and never expected 3 ice storms in 5 days.  An ice storm, sure, every so often.  That one took out a lot of Quebec, south-eastern Ontario, upper New York and part of New Hampshire.  We were out of power for 3 weeks, but then being able to live without power for a day or so is part of winter.  3 weeks was a bit much.  It gave new meaning to "keeping the home fires burning".  Especially when a house near us burned to the ground. 

I was impressed with Ottawa Hydro when a tornado* took out a substation a few summers ago.  That took out power to half the city.  They had everything rerouted fairly quickly.

*Yes we get tornadoes, and micro-burst heavy winds, and earthquakes.  About all we don't get is hurricanes, and given that Toronto has had them, and the climate is more unstable now, it is just a matter of time.  South-eastern Ontario, where the weather and climate are always interesting.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7558 on: February 24, 2021, 11:16:27 AM »
It'll be interesting to see how Texan Republicans explain the total failure of the profit driven electrical grid . . . and fix it without any of that pesky government overreach.

It's all AOC's fault according to them. They're cherry-picking data to claim it's all because the wind farms stopped working. It's bullshit because a) a snowstorm shouldn't shut down wind turbines unless they were built by morons, b) other power generation assets stopped working, and c) Texas deliberately isn't a part of the national grid so they're on their own. But it's all definitely the Democrats and green-energy's fault.

And about that profit-driven grid: the state is having to bail out some customers because the metering plan they were on shot up their bills by a thousand percent. This is what "deregulation" of the power grid looks like. In 2000 it allowed Enron to strangle California for an entire summer.  It's the same story whether it's health insurance or internet service providers. Deregulation when there's only one or two options is a bad idea.

I’m flabbergasted anytime I hear someone suggest Texas’s problems stemmed from it being “too cold” for wind turbines.  I lived in Québec for a decade - it’s chock full of turbines along its coast and they work just fine at much colder temperatures.  One of the global leaders in wind energy is Norway. Go figure.

Also frustrating is hearing about how “Texas never gets cold like that”.  In the last 50 years there have been at least five cold-snaps as cold (and two even colder) than what just happened.  Certainly not frequent but also not unprecedented. If you’re building a system like the electrical grid one should certainly prepare for events which occur every decade or so.  This isn’t even “100-year” territory.
I don't know how cold it was in Texas, but we here in central Germany had -20°C and huge amount of snow 2 weeks ago and +19C yesterday - warmest February day ever I think. Talk about temperature extremes.

We also produce (flat, relativly sparse populated) more wind energy in our state than we use a lot of the time.
I didn't hear about our wind turbines having any problem with those -20C and 40cm of snow.

If it isn't just the usual Republican lying, I think what happened is that the wind turbines got shut down after the grid collapsed, because, you know, producing MWs of electricity that has nowhere to go is extremely unhealthy to the turbines.

In Sweden the large parks with windturbines are built in the northern parts were -40 C in winter is not uncommon. The biggest with app 1100 turbines is built in north. The turbines produce most during the autumn and winter months so this seems more like a problem with the operator then the turbines per see.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7559 on: February 24, 2021, 04:11:59 PM »
We have wind turbines here in Michigan. If they froze every time it snowed, they'd be useless 6 months of the year.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7560 on: February 25, 2021, 08:06:23 AM »
Makes me genuinely appreciate TVA.

So what would the USA look like if the Republicans were given free reign to pass whatever legislation they wanted?

Social, business, taxes, and politics.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7561 on: February 25, 2021, 08:08:09 AM »
Makes me genuinely appreciate TVA.

So what would the USA look like if the Republicans were given free reign to pass whatever legislation they wanted?

Social, business, taxes, and politics.
The wild west.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7562 on: February 25, 2021, 08:17:08 AM »
Makes me genuinely appreciate TVA.

So what would the USA look like if the Republicans were given free reign to pass whatever legislation they wanted?

Social, business, taxes, and politics.
The wild west.

Could be worse . . . the closest country to a Libertarian paradise on Earth right now is Somalia.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7563 on: February 25, 2021, 08:19:02 AM »
Makes me genuinely appreciate TVA.

So what would the USA look like if the Republicans were given free reign to pass whatever legislation they wanted?

Social, business, taxes, and politics.

It would look like the Gilded Age.  Which despite its name, was not good for anyone who wasn't a Rockefeller, Carnegie and the like.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7564 on: February 25, 2021, 08:58:43 AM »
Makes me genuinely appreciate TVA.

So what would the USA look like if the Republicans were given free reign to pass whatever legislation they wanted?

Social, business, taxes, and politics.

Well we have several decades of Republican-wish list policies to draw from
The social safety net would be smaller, and unavailable to the chronically poor
Taxes - and in particular capitol gains and real estate - would be lower
The 'floor' for taxes would be raised (i.e. far fewer would pay "no taxes at all!")
There would likely be no estate tax
Religious exemptions would proliferate (school choice, health care, etc)
Social Security would become privatized, and essentially become another IRA 'bucket'
Mass-transit projects would be cut
More self-regulation of businesses (less oversight from the EPA, OSHA, DOL)
Medicare and Medicaid would be disbursed through block-grants
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7565 on: February 25, 2021, 09:57:58 AM »
Back on topic: Things that outrage Trump

Prosecutors from NY obtained financial records for Donald Trump on Monday,  just hours after the US Supreme Court denied Trump’s last-ditch effort to keep the records private.

The 'millions' of pages of documents, sources say, contain Trump’s tax returns spanning from January 2011 to August 2019, as well as financial statements, engagement agreements, documents relating to the preparation and review of tax returns, and work papers and communications related to the tax returns.

This is going to be one hell of a forensic accounting project.  I'm guessing it'll keep the SDNY office busy for a few years at least.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7566 on: February 25, 2021, 11:25:07 AM »
Makes me genuinely appreciate TVA.

So what would the USA look like if the Republicans were given free reign to pass whatever legislation they wanted?

Social, business, taxes, and politics.

They had that in 2017-2018.

The problem wasn't what they passed. It was that they approach governing as performative/expressive rather than from a skills/problem-solving perspective. Republicans take a light touch to regulation and appoint Constitutionalist judges and take the W, while people like Dan Crenshaw and Ted Cruz make headlines for what they say.

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« Reply #7567 on: February 25, 2021, 11:44:47 AM »
Makes me genuinely appreciate TVA.

So what would the USA look like if the Republicans were given free reign to pass whatever legislation they wanted?

Social, business, taxes, and politics.

They had that in 2017-2018.

They did, but even most Rs would say they squandered that opportunity on the tax overhaul and a whole bunch of noisy distractions (e.g. the 'muslim ban that's not a ban', firing Flynn and Comey, 'The Russia Thing', petty and unproductive EO fights with everyone from gold-star parents to NFL players) rather than more substantive legislation (e.g. complete failure to repeal or replace the ACA, no infrastruture bill, no immigration reform).

That time period was remarkable mostrly because so little got done despite the Rs controlling all leavers of the federal government and a conservative-leaning court.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7568 on: February 25, 2021, 04:48:48 PM »
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I was talking to my spouse and ILs about this over the weekend. They come from an area west of the Mississippi without an electric cooperative and thought I was kidding about how the electricity is here.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7569 on: February 26, 2021, 09:02:47 AM »

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7570 on: February 26, 2021, 09:11:48 AM »
Seriously, is there a special FLIP FLOP school these people go to?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mitch-mcconnell-now-says-hed-absolutely-support-trump-in-2024-after-savaging-him-for-capitol-attack/ar-BB1e3gIY

They're just doing what the people who vote for them demand.  The people who vote Republican were very vocal about their disappointment that the US government was not recently overthrown by their coup.

Why stand in the way of what your base wants?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7571 on: February 26, 2021, 09:14:12 AM »
I know the GOP is a bunch of self serving liars with absolutely no morals, but I don't even understand backing Trump still.  He fucking lost, he's a loser.  He lost the house, senate, and the presidency, and is possibly in legal trouble.  Why are they still aligning with him?  I know he still has his base, but we've just shown that's not enough to retain power.  I hope the entire party implodes under its own stupidity. 

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7572 on: February 26, 2021, 09:38:06 AM »
I know the GOP is a bunch of self serving liars with absolutely no morals, but I don't even understand backing Trump still.  He fucking lost, he's a loser.  He lost the house, senate, and the presidency, and is possibly in legal trouble.  Why are they still aligning with him? 

One word: Money. They wrote out $300m+ in donations to the T "legal fund" in December 2020.

The base isn't big enough to win the presidency, but it did a remarkable job in the Senate, and they've sewn up SCOTUS. If they can continue to disenfranchise voters in places like Michigan. Georgia and TX, it's good enough to stay in power in the Senate and House - and rake in the bucks until the person in question "retires" to become a lobbyist.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7573 on: February 26, 2021, 12:28:32 PM »
You really cannot make up this shit: This golden statue of Trump at CPAC is a perfect metaphor for the state of the GOP

I know I've been an out and proud atheist for nearly a decade, but I did spend most of my life as an active participant in Catholic worship and education. I definitely remember something about golden idols being a bad idea...

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7574 on: February 26, 2021, 05:56:02 PM »
I hope the entire party implodes under its own stupidity.

They have a lock on too many states for that to happen.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7575 on: February 27, 2021, 09:10:30 AM »
You really cannot make up this shit: This golden statue of Trump at CPAC is a perfect metaphor for the state of the GOP

I know I've been an out and proud atheist for nearly a decade, but I did spend most of my life as an active participant in Catholic worship and education. I definitely remember something about golden idols being a bad idea...

it's not a cult. /sarcasm

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7576 on: February 27, 2021, 01:35:03 PM »
You really cannot make up this shit: This golden statue of Trump at CPAC is a perfect metaphor for the state of the GOP

I know I've been an out and proud atheist for nearly a decade, but I did spend most of my life as an active participant in Catholic worship and education. I definitely remember something about golden idols being a bad idea...

it's not a cult. /sarcasm
Wouldn't a sect designation be more appropriate by now?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7577 on: March 01, 2021, 06:47:02 AM »
I thought for sure someone would have mentioned this: the stage of cpac in the shape of a hate symbol/icon used by nazis and white supremacists? https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN2AS0R2
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7578 on: March 01, 2021, 06:48:04 AM »
Just coincidental.

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« Reply #7579 on: March 01, 2021, 06:57:12 AM »
I believe Trump is only influential if the media give him coverage, so I've very intentionally not clicked on any link with the name "Trump" in the headline. I didn't watch the speech yesterday, but I saw the headline about him listing the names of members of Congress who voted to impeach/remove him, and I must admit, wow!

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/28/us/politics/trump-cpac-republicans.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

I'm trying to understand why someone would do this. I'm trying to understand how we got to the point where so many people think this is normal and desirable in a country with anything approaching democratic values. It seems positively authoritarian.

I've been ignoring him, but I'm starting to worry whether it's truly safe to do so.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7580 on: March 01, 2021, 07:17:27 AM »
Just coincidental.

Maybe.

Republicans have been very openly embracing white supremacy for some time now . . . so I could see it being a conscious choice that someone made and thought there was plausible deniability for.  That seems at least as likely as an accident at this point.  Can't say definitively one way or another though.


I believe Trump is only influential if the media give him coverage, so I've very intentionally not clicked on any link with the name "Trump" in the headline. I didn't watch the speech yesterday, but I saw the headline about him listing the names of members of Congress who voted to impeach/remove him, and I must admit, wow!

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/28/us/politics/trump-cpac-republicans.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

I'm trying to understand why someone would do this. I'm trying to understand how we got to the point where so many people think this is normal and desirable in a country with anything approaching democratic values. It seems positively authoritarian.

I've been ignoring him, but I'm starting to worry whether it's truly safe to do so.

According to every poll and survey, Trump is pretty much the heart and soul of the Republican Party.  His every action is MASSIVELY popular among Republican voters.  I'm not sure that simply ignoring what just under half the country believes in is a safe decision to make.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7581 on: March 01, 2021, 08:01:35 AM »
Two very important signals for the paleo-conservative Trump movement have been removed, however: Trump's twitter presence, and the Rush Limbaugh radio voice. Sure other things exist, but it's a lot harder for this movement to coordinate now than it was on Jan. 5, 2021. I suppose we'll learn whether this is true on March 4.

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« Reply #7582 on: March 01, 2021, 09:41:06 AM »
This is a good point.  I live in a state where there is a $5/month/kW fee for solar power.  We don't get quite enough sun for a completely off-grid system to be feasible so the power company charges a fee to offset the amount that you wouldn't be paying them for.
To be fair, power you are generating but not using goes back into the grid which the grid companies need to balance their output to.

In my country (the Netherlands) you get to correct your usage with your over production at 0 extra cost. However, if you produce more than you're actually using you can get 7 to 8 eurocents per kWh rather than the tariff you're paying (around 20-22). Reason being that the difference is taxes and costs to keep the network running and balanced.
This tax-free correction is going to be replaced with a more similar system you are describing though. If on a summer day I produce more than I use, I get a few cents per kWh and pay full price when I use more (like in the evening). But, my system is way to small to make a Powerwall or some such viable :(

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« Reply #7583 on: March 02, 2021, 05:22:29 AM »
Just coincidental.

Maybe.

Republicans have been very openly embracing white supremacy for some time now . . . so I could see it being a conscious choice that someone made and thought there was plausible deniability for.  That seems at least as likely as an accident at this point.  Can't say definitively one way or another though.


I believe Trump is only influential if the media give him coverage, so I've very intentionally not clicked on any link with the name "Trump" in the headline. I didn't watch the speech yesterday, but I saw the headline about him listing the names of members of Congress who voted to impeach/remove him, and I must admit, wow!

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/28/us/politics/trump-cpac-republicans.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

I'm trying to understand why someone would do this. I'm trying to understand how we got to the point where so many people think this is normal and desirable in a country with anything approaching democratic values. It seems positively authoritarian.

I've been ignoring him, but I'm starting to worry whether it's truly safe to do so.

According to every poll and survey, Trump is pretty much the heart and soul of the Republican Party.  His every action is MASSIVELY popular among Republican voters.  I'm not sure that simply ignoring what just under half the country believes in is a safe decision to make.

There is a lot of "hidden" signaling, but this one is rediculous. You must be fairly deep into it to even know that sign. Then it is upside down and you need fantasy to see it out of the structure.
Way too much brain for the right wing nuts ;)

Such a thing happened before, even several times. I think even Obama once had an arrangement in the background with something from the gas champer unit?
It is simply impossible to completely avoid a multitude of quite simple structures even if you tried to. Not to mention people who don't knwo the difference between a Hitler Swastika and the map symbol for a temple on Japanese maps (they wanted to change it for the Olympics, don't know if that happened).

That Trump is a total authoritarian and his fans love him for exactly that - I am surprised anybody can be surprised about that though. Ever heard of Victor Orban for example? Same stuff. Everywhere in the world. A certain, big part of the people just loves a "strong man" that goes against "the others". And they only care about democracy if they are the ones that have the vote. Demoracy is not a value in itself, it is only one of several to serve their needs. If a different method looks better...

It's strange that people can clearly see it when it happens in China, but not when it happens in their own country.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7584 on: March 02, 2021, 06:05:41 AM »
I understood not wanting to spread COVID across the globe via an Olympic games, but I'm tired of waiting for Simone Biles to take her rightful place at the top of the medal podium in gymnastics. Maybe we could just have the gymnists compete?

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« Reply #7585 on: March 02, 2021, 06:52:17 AM »
I understood not wanting to spread COVID across the globe via an Olympic games, but I'm tired of waiting for Simone Biles to take her rightful place at the top of the medal podium in gymnastics. Maybe we could just have the gymnists compete?

At the risk of veering wildly off-topic, this is yet another example of why the Olympics needs to abandon the "single-city, rotational" approach to the games.

The games are now way too big, way too costly, and the events too varied to be successfully carried out by a single host-city (or even nation) even during non-pandemic times.


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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7586 on: March 02, 2021, 06:59:58 AM »
I think Donald Trump is the first American President since Jimmy Carter to not have the US compete in a summer Olympic games during his time in the White House. So this is completely in line with the topic. Trump failed us in yet another area.

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« Reply #7587 on: March 02, 2021, 07:09:25 AM »
I think Donald Trump is the first American President since Jimmy Carter to not have the US compete in a summer Olympic games during his time in the White House. So this is completely in line with the topic. Trump failed us in yet another area.

I'm all for blaming Trump for stuff... but hard to see how any US President could have saved this Olympic games (hosted overseas).
;-P

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7588 on: March 02, 2021, 07:11:18 AM »
I think Donald Trump is the first American President since Jimmy Carter to not have the US compete in a summer Olympic games during his time in the White House. So this is completely in line with the topic. Trump failed us in yet another area.

While I'm not a fan of Trump, seems a bit of a stretch to place the blame for this squarely at his feet.  :P

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7589 on: March 02, 2021, 08:15:31 AM »
I think Donald Trump is the first American President since Jimmy Carter to not have the US compete in a summer Olympic games during his time in the White House. So this is completely in line with the topic. Trump failed us in yet another area.

I'm all for blaming Trump for stuff... but hard to see how any US President could have saved this Olympic games (hosted overseas).
;-P

Yeah...hard to send a team if the event itself has been postponed.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7590 on: March 02, 2021, 08:17:53 AM »
In Texas vernacular, y'all are missing the sarcasm.

Edit: Or humor. Y'all are missing the humor. Either way, I suspect that what talltexan wrote is not literal.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2021, 08:22:27 AM by bacchi »

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7591 on: March 02, 2021, 08:26:38 AM »
In Texas vernacular, y'all are missing the sarcasm.

Edit: Or humor. Y'all are missing the humor. Either way, I suspect that what talltexan wrote is not literal.

Thanks, Obama.

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« Reply #7592 on: March 02, 2021, 08:29:35 AM »

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7593 on: March 02, 2021, 11:02:20 AM »
In Texas vernacular, y'all are missing the sarcasm.

Edit: Or humor. Y'all are missing the humor. Either way, I suspect that what talltexan wrote is not literal.

Jimmy Carter: made the decision to boycott 1980 Olympics in Moscow. It was done in protest of Soviets' invasion of Afghanistan. Whose fault was it? Carter or USSRs?

Donald Trump: During his time as President, the US failed to contain a SARS-based covorona virus despite years of policy and vaccine infrastructure build out by the two preceding Presidents. The US pulled out of the WHO at a moment when WHO coordination could have lessened the impact of the virus globally. That virus impact proved so substantial that host-Japan asked to postpone the games. 

Look, I know this thread is devoted to hating on Trump, so don't we owe it to ourselves to examine the blame he might deserve for the games' postponement?
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7594 on: March 02, 2021, 11:59:18 AM »
In Texas vernacular, y'all are missing the sarcasm.

Edit: Or humor. Y'all are missing the humor. Either way, I suspect that what talltexan wrote is not literal.

Thanks, Obama.

Obama?  What?  No. Blame Canada!

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« Reply #7595 on: March 02, 2021, 12:14:40 PM »
In Texas vernacular, y'all are missing the sarcasm.

Edit: Or humor. Y'all are missing the humor. Either way, I suspect that what talltexan wrote is not literal.

Thanks, Obama.

Obama?  What?  No. Blame Canada!

Leave America's hat out of this!

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7596 on: March 02, 2021, 12:20:28 PM »
In Texas vernacular, y'all are missing the sarcasm.

Edit: Or humor. Y'all are missing the humor. Either way, I suspect that what talltexan wrote is not literal.

Thanks, Obama.

Obama?  What?  No. Blame Canada!

Leave America's hat out of this!

Unless Canada becomes a cowboy 10 gallon hat, screw em :)

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« Reply #7597 on: March 02, 2021, 03:50:17 PM »
I think Donald Trump is the first American President since Jimmy Carter to not have the US compete in a summer Olympic games during his time in the White House. So this is completely in line with the topic. Trump failed us in yet another area.

While I'm not a fan of Trump, seems a bit of a stretch to place the blame for this squarely at his feet.  :P




But, if enough of us repeat it on the internet it becomes true.  Just ask Qanon & the other Trump fan clubs.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7598 on: March 02, 2021, 04:09:52 PM »
I think Donald Trump is the first American President since Jimmy Carter to not have the US compete in a summer Olympic games during his time in the White House. So this is completely in line with the topic. Trump failed us in yet another area.

While I'm not a fan of Trump, seems a bit of a stretch to place the blame for this squarely at his feet.  :P




But, if enough of us repeat it on the internet it becomes true.  Just ask Qanon & the other Trump fan clubs.


The election was stolen. Didn't you get the memo? If not, Trump and Cruz made sure to remind everyone this week.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #7599 on: March 02, 2021, 05:25:19 PM »
Cruz had to swing through mexico to check out a ballot-harvesting operation where the Spanish affiliate of Dominion owned a warehouse.