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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6750 on: January 08, 2021, 05:27:32 PM »
Besides all the other answers for impeachment at this point I'd add:



He has none.

Since he was elected I've thought about Trump's subnormal  character when he behaved badly.

In the last month or so I've come to the conclusion it is  so defective that he is incapable of shame.

Trump  called  Rosie O'Donnell "a dog." 

I'll always remember this odious instance of his defectiveness.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6751 on: January 08, 2021, 05:28:26 PM »
Permanently banned on Twitter.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-permanently-bans-president-donald-trump-n1253588

Hrm, if they did that a couple of years ago he might have won the election.

If he hadn’t totally effed the pandemic response, he probably would have.

I don't think people realize how close this election actually was. Trump, the least disliked president ever, was still a few percentage points away from a steamroll EC win.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6752 on: January 08, 2021, 05:29:55 PM »
Permanently banned on Twitter.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-permanently-bans-president-donald-trump-n1253588


I don't like Trump and agree that he's a danger . . . but am wondering if the precedent of tech companies (now both twitter and facebook) acting to muzzle the President of the United States is a potential problem for the future.

Twitter is under no obligation to provide natural justice or defend the free speech rights of anyone. You wanna tweet, you agree to the terms of use. Simple. Don't like it? Go start your own Twitter.

Remember the old trope about if the platform is free it means you are the product? Twitter has simply judged it's product is toxic and wants no association with it.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6753 on: January 08, 2021, 05:30:50 PM »
Permanently banned on Twitter.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-permanently-bans-president-donald-trump-n1253588

Hrm, if they did that a couple of years ago he might have won the election.

If he hadn’t totally effed the pandemic response, he probably would have.

I don't think people realize how close this election actually was. Trump, the least disliked president ever, was still a few percentage points away from a steamroll EC win.

Normally, I would agree with you, but I hope that people remember it was so close that it took days to be sure. It was only two months ago...

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6754 on: January 08, 2021, 05:40:19 PM »

Since he was elected I've thought about Trump's subnormal  character when he behaved badly.

In the last month or so I've come to the conclusion it is  so defective that he is incapable of shame.

Trump  called  Rosie O'Donnell "a dog." 

I'll always remember this instance of his defectiveness.

Yes he has none, but his name needs to be stained for all of history.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6755 on: January 08, 2021, 05:43:58 PM »


Trump  called  Rosie O'Donnell "a dog." 

I'll always remember this odious instance of his defectiveness.

Of all the things he has done, there is something so sweet about bringing this one up :)

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6756 on: January 08, 2021, 05:44:28 PM »

Since he was elected I've thought about Trump's subnormal  character when he behaved badly.

In the last month or so I've come to the conclusion it is  so defective that he is incapable of shame.

Trump  called  Rosie O'Donnell "a dog." 

I'll always remember this instance of his defectiveness.

Yes he has none, but his name needs to be stained for all of history.
May the stain be so indelible that his progeny change their names to no longer be associated with him.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6757 on: January 08, 2021, 05:48:02 PM »
Looks like there is still a fair amount of far right anger looking for an outlet:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/graham-mobbed-maga-fans-not-stealing-election-for-trump

I don't like Lindsey Graham at all, but I feel bad for any politician who has to deal with this sort of bullshit for (eventually) admitting that reality is a thing.

...yeah, I can't muster up sympathy for him. You reap what you sow. He's sown a lot of bullshit in support of Trump's delusions.

 I hope the MAGA nutjobs are correct and this IS the rest of Graham's life. He has coddled Trump and coddled his supporters from the get-go.  He knows better, but he did it anyway.   Graham is a gutless, snivelling POS and deserves every bit of misery he has coming to him.

He is a gutless sniveling piece of shit . . . but he's not going anywhere politically.  Treating him like crap for (finally) doing the right thing is more likely to prevent him from admitting reality in the future than it is to prevent him from denying it in the first place.

He's another one who can stew in his own hypocrisy for a while. I watched him in an interview with Sean Hannity the day after the election declaring "everything should be on the table" including Congress simply throwing out the election and making the decision themselves. He was one of the first to promote these batshit ideas. He helped start this.

https://www.axios.com/ted-cruz-lindsey-graham-trump-election-1ff23822-6878-4d5c-98ef-aa07d7d492ad.html

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6758 on: January 08, 2021, 06:00:03 PM »
If the worst thing that happens to people like Hawley, Graham and Cruz is that people come up to them and yell that they still believe the lies that they told them, I'd say they got off pretty lucky.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6759 on: January 08, 2021, 06:38:06 PM »
Let's barricade Tucker in a room with a crowd screaming for his head outside the room and see how radical he thinks they might look...that women was very radical by all accounts. Even most of her family says she was a patriot, buy she was bizarrely obsessed with Trump and Qanon.

I'm so fucking tired of this word. A patriot loves their country and defends it. These days it's just code for "Republican nationalist." It's the new "tough on communism." I'm a patriot for waving a flag, regardless of whatever else I happen to be doing at the time.  You don't support the DoD having an unlimited budget? You're not a patriot. Those same "patriots" then chafe at the prospect of paying more taxes to fund it. That's just socialism. I'm sure everybody who smashed their way into the Congress this week and beat a cop to death thought they were patriots. A not insignificant number of them were in the streets last summer demanding the right to gun down anybody who protested police violence or attacked the police or vandalized America. Now they've caused the very violence they purported to be defending against and we're supposed to sympathize with them and their alleged patriotism.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6760 on: January 08, 2021, 06:41:56 PM »
Besides all the other answers for impeachment at this point I'd add:



He has none.

Since he was elected I've thought about Trump's subnormal  character when he behaved badly.

In the last month or so I've come to the conclusion it is  so defective that he is incapable of shame.

Trump  called  Rosie O'Donnell "a dog." 

I'll always remember this odious instance of his defectiveness.

Sociopaths do not feel shame.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6761 on: January 08, 2021, 06:49:23 PM »

Since he was elected I've thought about Trump's subnormal  character when he behaved badly.

In the last month or so I've come to the conclusion it is  so defective that he is incapable of shame.

Trump  called  Rosie O'Donnell "a dog." 

I'll always remember this instance of his defectiveness.

Yes he has none, but his name needs to be stained for all of history.
May the stain be so indelible that his progeny change their names to no longer be associated with him.

Most of his immediate progeny will be indicted as co-conspirators if any of this makes it to the courts.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6762 on: January 08, 2021, 06:55:24 PM »

Since he was elected I've thought about Trump's subnormal  character when he behaved badly.

In the last month or so I've come to the conclusion it is  so defective that he is incapable of shame.

Trump  called  Rosie O'Donnell "a dog." 

I'll always remember this instance of his defectiveness.

Yes he has none, but his name needs to be stained for all of history.
May the stain be so indelible that his progeny change their names to no longer be associated with him.

Most of his immediate progeny will be indicted as co-conspirators if any of this makes it to the courts.

While I guess 3 out of 5 is indeed "most" let's leave the quiet minor out...I was going to leave Tiffany out, too, but I see she has been posting on her father's behalf while he is banned.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6763 on: January 08, 2021, 07:11:11 PM »
Since the recent terrorist attack, I've been wondering what is the capacity of Gitmo?   

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6764 on: January 08, 2021, 07:13:29 PM »

Since he was elected I've thought about Trump's subnormal  character when he behaved badly.

In the last month or so I've come to the conclusion it is  so defective that he is incapable of shame.

Trump  called  Rosie O'Donnell "a dog." 

I'll always remember this instance of his defectiveness.

Yes he has none, but his name needs to be stained for all of history.
May the stain be so indelible that his progeny change their names to no longer be associated with him.

Most of his immediate progeny will be indicted as co-conspirators if any of this makes it to the courts.

While I guess 3 out of 5 is indeed "most" let's leave the quiet minor out...I was going to leave Tiffany out, too, but I see she has been posting on her father's behalf while he is banned.

I have nothing against Barron.  Growing up in the White House has never been a picnic for any First Kid.  Growing up the son of a sociopath isn't either. I can't imagine having to do both.  My uneducated belief is that Melania is counting the days till she can run away with him.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6765 on: January 08, 2021, 07:17:04 PM »

Since he was elected I've thought about Trump's subnormal  character when he behaved badly.

In the last month or so I've come to the conclusion it is  so defective that he is incapable of shame.

Trump  called  Rosie O'Donnell "a dog." 

I'll always remember this instance of his defectiveness.

Yes he has none, but his name needs to be stained for all of history.
May the stain be so indelible that his progeny change their names to no longer be associated with him.

Most of his immediate progeny will be indicted as co-conspirators if any of this makes it to the courts.

While I guess 3 out of 5 is indeed "most" let's leave the quiet minor out...I was going to leave Tiffany out, too, but I see she has been posting on her father's behalf while he is banned.

I have nothing against Barron.  Growing up in the White House has never been a picnic for any First Kid.  Growing up the son of a sociopath isn't either. I can't imagine having to do both.  My uneducated belief is that Melania is counting the days till she can run away with him.

I mean, surely with her anti bullying campaign?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6766 on: January 08, 2021, 07:52:12 PM »
Impeachment proceedings have begun!

What's the point of impeaching Trump again?  If it passes the house, McConnell's just going to ignore the whole thing until Trump's out of office and it no longer matters.  If democrats impeach Trump after he has left office they're entering completely unknown territory . . . and really, for what?  They will be accused of wasting time rather than handling real issues.

Being impeached twice makes it that much harder for him to retain any credibility or chance at another run.
and if impeached in the Senate will actually be prohibited from holding any other public office. He would not be able to be voted in as a dog catcher. It is a powerful antidote to 2024. It is also the right thing to do in the face of a president actually participating in sedition.

Trump really gets me fired up in a bad way. I'd love to see this happen and we never have to hear from this moron again. I'd love to see him bankrupt and living in the gutter.

I can't stand the guy.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6767 on: January 08, 2021, 07:55:46 PM »
Despite nearly the entirety of Trump's social media presence being banned, he had this to say on the @POTUS Twitter account while complaining about the ban: "... They are about promoting a Radical Left platform where some of the most vicious people in the world are allowed to speak freely..."

If you needed any evidence that he has no regrets about the attack and is back in true form.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6768 on: January 08, 2021, 07:59:13 PM »
Despite nearly the entirety of Trump's social media presence being banned, he had this to say on the @POTUS Twitter account while complaining about the ban: "... They are about promoting a Radical Left platform where some of the most vicious people in the world are allowed to speak freely..."

If you needed any evidence that he has no regrets about the attack and is back in true form.

They locked the POTUS account because his use of it violated their rules about evading bans...

I really wish the handful of Republicans with balls would start clamoring for impeachment proceedings to start NOW.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6769 on: January 08, 2021, 08:33:32 PM »
Trump really gets me fired up in a bad way. I'd love to see this happen and we never have to hear from this moron again. I'd love to see him bankrupt and living in the gutter.

I can't stand the guy.

Yeah, I'm stick of hearing from him and also "about" him.  I rarely have checked this thread because I need to limit my intake about anything Trump related.  So many people are obsessed with talking about him - I hope they can let it go eventually and let the country move on.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6770 on: January 08, 2021, 09:26:48 PM »
I can't wait for a very public criminal proceedings against Traitor-in-Chief Trump to start. Democrats certainly have a interest in keeping the spotlight on this, as a sledgehammer against the Republicans, for future elections.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6771 on: January 08, 2021, 09:39:55 PM »
Yeah, I'm stick of hearing from him and also "about" him.  I rarely have checked this thread because I need to limit my intake about anything Trump related.  So many people are obsessed with talking about him - I hope they can let it go eventually and let the country move on.

The Democrats would like to but Trump and allies keep filing frivolous lawsuits and spewing absurd conspiracy theories about Italy and Pakistan and North Korea. Oh yeah, they also stormed the Capitol and killed a cop.

They're still planning. The next event for the cultists is the 19th.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6772 on: January 08, 2021, 09:44:01 PM »
Yeah, I'm stick of hearing from him and also "about" him.  I rarely have checked this thread because I need to limit my intake about anything Trump related.  So many people are obsessed with talking about him - I hope they can let it go eventually and let the country move on.

The Democrats would like to but Trump and allies keep filing frivolous lawsuits and spewing absurd conspiracy theories about Italy and Pakistan and North Korea. Oh yeah, they also stormed the Capitol and killed a cop.

They're still planning. The next event for the cultists is the 19th.

Well, I'm actually meaning after the new president is sworn in.  I just hope I don't have to keep hearing about Trump all the time all year.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6773 on: January 08, 2021, 09:49:39 PM »
Yeah, I'm stick of hearing from him and also "about" him.  I rarely have checked this thread because I need to limit my intake about anything Trump related.  So many people are obsessed with talking about him - I hope they can let it go eventually and let the country move on.

The Democrats would like to but Trump and allies keep filing frivolous lawsuits and spewing absurd conspiracy theories about Italy and Pakistan and North Korea. Oh yeah, they also stormed the Capitol and killed a cop.

They're still planning. The next event for the cultists is the 19th.

Well, I'm actually meaning after the new president is sworn in.  I just hope I don't have to keep hearing about Trump all the time all year.

Agreed.

Given his past, his upcoming social media platform will go bankrupt fairly quickly and he'll become a has-been like...Newt or Rove.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6774 on: January 08, 2021, 10:27:24 PM »
What movie is the meme above from?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6775 on: January 08, 2021, 10:41:24 PM »
What movie is the meme above from?

The "shame" meme? Game of Thrones.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6776 on: January 09, 2021, 06:13:18 AM »
Permanently banned on Twitter.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-permanently-bans-president-donald-trump-n1253588

I don't like Trump and agree that he's a danger . . . but am wondering if the precedent of tech companies (now both twitter and facebook) acting to muzzle the President of the United States is a potential problem for the future.

Now wait a damn minute here.  Trump is not being “muzzled” by big tech. He’s being kicked off for flagrant and constant disregard for TOS and general decorum.  He’s had a record number of his tweets and re-tweets flagged and pulled down for a variety of valid reasons (inciting hate, being demonstrably untrue, for bullying, etc).
I think it’s safe to say that NO OTHER PERSON would have kept their twitter account for as long as he did had they acted in a similar manner.  Twitter and other social-media companies have been tying themselves in knots about how to enforce their policies with DJT without envoking his wrath and those of his followers.  Twitter also has zero obligation to permit everyone onto their platform Regardless of their actions (“right to refuse service...” and all that).

I find the opposite to be true - it would be unjust to allow him his twitter account after so many violations and warnings.  The message until now has been “POTUS will be judged far more leniently than celebrities, other politicians or you common folk”.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6777 on: January 09, 2021, 06:26:00 AM »
Permanently banned on Twitter.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-permanently-bans-president-donald-trump-n1253588

I don't like Trump and agree that he's a danger . . . but am wondering if the precedent of tech companies (now both twitter and facebook) acting to muzzle the President of the United States is a potential problem for the future.

Now wait a damn minute here.  Trump is not being “muzzled” by big tech. He’s being kicked off for flagrant and constant disregard for TOS and general decorum.  He’s had a record number of his tweets and re-tweets flagged and pulled down for a variety of valid reasons (inciting hate, being demonstrably untrue, for bullying, etc).
I think it’s safe to say that NO OTHER PERSON would have kept their twitter account for as long as he did had they acted in a similar manner.  Twitter and other social-media companies have been tying themselves in knots about how to enforce their policies with DJT without envoking his wrath and those of his followers.  Twitter also has zero obligation to permit everyone onto their platform Regardless of their actions (“right to refuse service...” and all that).

I find the opposite to be true - it would be unjust to allow him his twitter account after so many violations and warnings.  The message until now has been “POTUS will be judged far more leniently than celebrities, other politicians or you common folk”.

A lot of folks tend to forget that Twitter, Youtube, and Facebook are corporations that can do whatever the hell they want with their property. They are under no obligations to provide a forum for anyone to use their services - especially considering they're all provided at no cost to the user.  You can no more call for a riot on Twitter than you can standing on their front lawn with a bullhorn.
 Either one gets you rightly escorted off the premises.  The First Amendment does not apply here.  Also, all of these companies are doing precisely what a bipartisan Congress ordered them to do just a couple years ago. "Big Tech" has been accused of providing a voice to bullies, terrorists, traffickers, and whatever nefarious activities bug you. These Terms of Service were mandated by the government and we're seeing them put to use.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6778 on: January 09, 2021, 06:41:47 AM »
Trump still has the White House at his disposal.  He can hold press conferences, he can issue press statements, he can hold Cabinet meetings and meet and greets, he can issue Executive Orders.

In other words he can use all the available official methods for conducting official business as President.

What he can't do is use his position as President to issue implausibly deniable insurrectionist messages on private media. Colour me not sorry.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6779 on: January 09, 2021, 07:06:41 AM »
Let's barricade Tucker in a room with a crowd screaming for his head outside the room and see how radical he thinks they might look...that women was very radical by all accounts. Even most of her family says she was a patriot, buy she was bizarrely obsessed with Trump and Qanon.

I'm so fucking tired of this word. A patriot loves their country and defends it. These days it's just code for "Republican nationalist." It's the new "tough on communism." I'm a patriot for waving a flag, regardless of whatever else I happen to be doing at the time.  You don't support the DoD having an unlimited budget? You're not a patriot. Those same "patriots" then chafe at the prospect of paying more taxes to fund it. That's just socialism. I'm sure everybody who smashed their way into the Congress this week and beat a cop to death thought they were patriots. A not insignificant number of them were in the streets last summer demanding the right to gun down anybody who protested police violence or attacked the police or vandalized America. Now they've caused the very violence they purported to be defending against and we're supposed to sympathize with them and their alleged patriotism.

I would argue that even 'pure' patriotism, i.e. non-corrupted patriotism, is still not much of a virtue. At best it's benign and at worst it sows seeds of something quite malignant.

We are all citizens of the world, and though we might owe our individual countries a civic duty (e.g. to vote, to pay taxes), the notion of being proud of, and identifying strongly with, a geo-political entity simply because you were born there strikes me as a bit arbitrary and irrational. Particularly in this cosmopolitan day and age where your neighbours might have been born somewhere else, and speak a different language, and practise a different religion (or no religion). Perhaps it's because I grew up in three continents and therefore have no sense of patriotism to any given place, but I think the world would be better off without patriotism.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6780 on: January 09, 2021, 07:21:20 AM »
Let's barricade Tucker in a room with a crowd screaming for his head outside the room and see how radical he thinks they might look...that women was very radical by all accounts. Even most of her family says she was a patriot, buy she was bizarrely obsessed with Trump and Qanon.

I'm so fucking tired of this word. A patriot loves their country and defends it. These days it's just code for "Republican nationalist." It's the new "tough on communism." I'm a patriot for waving a flag, regardless of whatever else I happen to be doing at the time.  You don't support the DoD having an unlimited budget? You're not a patriot. Those same "patriots" then chafe at the prospect of paying more taxes to fund it. That's just socialism. I'm sure everybody who smashed their way into the Congress this week and beat a cop to death thought they were patriots. A not insignificant number of them were in the streets last summer demanding the right to gun down anybody who protested police violence or attacked the police or vandalized America. Now they've caused the very violence they purported to be defending against and we're supposed to sympathize with them and their alleged patriotism.

I would argue that even 'pure' patriotism, i.e. non-corrupted patriotism, is still not much of a virtue. At best it's benign and at worst it sows seeds of something quite malignant.

We are all citizens of the world, and though we might owe our individual countries a civic duty (e.g. to vote, to pay taxes), the notion of being proud of, and identifying strongly with, a geo-political entity simply because you were born there strikes me as a bit arbitrary and irrational. Particularly in this cosmopolitan day and age where your neighbours might have been born somewhere else, and speak a different language, and practise a different religion (or no religion). Perhaps it's because I grew up in three continents and therefore have no sense of patriotism to any given place, but I think the world would be better off without patriotism.

I understand what you are saying, but patriotisim isn't limited to one's nationality, no?  One can be a patriot for a particular cause (e.g. the homeless) or another affiliation (e.g. "the church" or "BLM").  On its face I see being a patriot as putting a cause/institution/country above ones personal interests.  That can be good, or detrimental.  As with any form of 'extremism', there's the tendency for bad, despite intentions.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6781 on: January 09, 2021, 07:33:20 AM »
What movie is the meme above from?

The "shame" meme? Game of Thrones.

Cool. I've only watched one episode so far. Eventually.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6782 on: January 09, 2021, 07:57:23 AM »
Let's barricade Tucker in a room with a crowd screaming for his head outside the room and see how radical he thinks they might look...that women was very radical by all accounts. Even most of her family says she was a patriot, buy she was bizarrely obsessed with Trump and Qanon.

I'm so fucking tired of this word. A patriot loves their country and defends it. These days it's just code for "Republican nationalist." It's the new "tough on communism." I'm a patriot for waving a flag, regardless of whatever else I happen to be doing at the time.  You don't support the DoD having an unlimited budget? You're not a patriot. Those same "patriots" then chafe at the prospect of paying more taxes to fund it. That's just socialism. I'm sure everybody who smashed their way into the Congress this week and beat a cop to death thought they were patriots. A not insignificant number of them were in the streets last summer demanding the right to gun down anybody who protested police violence or attacked the police or vandalized America. Now they've caused the very violence they purported to be defending against and we're supposed to sympathize with them and their alleged patriotism.

I would argue that even 'pure' patriotism, i.e. non-corrupted patriotism, is still not much of a virtue. At best it's benign and at worst it sows seeds of something quite malignant.

We are all citizens of the world, and though we might owe our individual countries a civic duty (e.g. to vote, to pay taxes), the notion of being proud of, and identifying strongly with, a geo-political entity simply because you were born there strikes me as a bit arbitrary and irrational. Particularly in this cosmopolitan day and age where your neighbours might have been born somewhere else, and speak a different language, and practise a different religion (or no religion). Perhaps it's because I grew up in three continents and therefore have no sense of patriotism to any given place, but I think the world would be better off without patriotism.

I understand what you are saying, but patriotisim isn't limited to one's nationality, no?  One can be a patriot for a particular cause (e.g. the homeless) or another affiliation (e.g. "the church" or "BLM").  On its face I see being a patriot as putting a cause/institution/country above ones personal interests.  That can be good, or detrimental.  As with any form of 'extremism', there's the tendency for bad, despite intentions.

I've only ever understood patriot to mean in reference to nationality. There's definitely nothing wrong with being a fervent supporter of a church, charity or a cause but I've never heard 'patriot' used in that context.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6783 on: January 09, 2021, 08:31:14 AM »



I've only ever understood patriot to mean in reference to nationality.

That is my understanding as well.

There's definitely nothing wrong with being a fervent supporter of a church, charity or a cause but I've never heard 'patriot' used in that context.

Neither have I.

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« Reply #6784 on: January 09, 2021, 08:36:44 AM »
Patriot comes from the root of patria, generally understood to be the fatherland. That is why it is only used in referring to nationality.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6785 on: January 09, 2021, 08:38:03 AM »
Right. You can be a patron of the arts or a cause, but not a patriot of the arts.

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« Reply #6786 on: January 09, 2021, 10:30:46 AM »
I always smile a little bit when Americans on the far right describe themselves as patriots. In my country patriots were a left-wing liberal movement in the late 18th century and for the past 200 years we've looked upon that period as a very bad time in history (which I personally don't agree with)

Wikipedia's description of this period sounds surprisingly familiar though: "The concentration of power in a more and more closed oligarchy frustrated the middle class, that saw its opportunity for political and social advancement blocked, also because the political patronage in regard to all kind of petty offices was concentrated in the hands of the oligarchs, who favored their own allies." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriottentijd.   It's sad we still struggle with the same things more than 2 centuries later.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6787 on: January 09, 2021, 10:33:06 AM »
I always smile a little bit when Americans on the far right describe themselves as patriots. In my country patriots were a left-wing liberal movement in the late 18th century and for the past 200 years we've looked upon that period as a very bad time in history (which I personally don't agree with)

Wikipedia's description of this period sounds surprisingly familiar though: "The concentration of power in a more and more closed oligarchy frustrated the middle class, that saw its opportunity for political and social advancement blocked, also because the political patronage in regard to all kind of petty offices was concentrated in the hands of the oligarchs, who favored their own alles." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriottentijd.   It's sad we still struggle with the same things more than 2 centuries later.

In the context of this thread, it is kind of funny that they were opposing the Orangists (yes, I realize that Orange had a specific meeting and no, I do not condone picking on even a bully for their poor make up choices, but even I fall short of my own ideals sometimes...)

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6788 on: January 09, 2021, 10:40:38 AM »
Patriot comes from the root of patria, generally understood to be the fatherland. That is why it is only used in referring to nationality.

Noted.

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« Reply #6789 on: January 09, 2021, 10:41:43 AM »
So any bets on how fast the interest in Trump will die off after Jan 20?

I am thinking by March we don't even have a post a week on him.

Happy days ahead!

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« Reply #6790 on: January 09, 2021, 11:18:30 AM »
I always smile a little bit when Americans on the far right describe themselves as patriots. In my country patriots were a left-wing liberal movement in the late 18th century and for the past 200 years we've looked upon that period as a very bad time in history (which I personally don't agree with)

Wikipedia's description of this period sounds surprisingly familiar though: "The concentration of power in a more and more closed oligarchy frustrated the middle class, that saw its opportunity for political and social advancement blocked, also because the political patronage in regard to all kind of petty offices was concentrated in the hands of the oligarchs, who favored their own alles." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriottentijd.   It's sad we still struggle with the same things more than 2 centuries later.

In the context of this thread, it is kind of funny that they were opposing the Orangists (yes, I realize that Orange had a specific meeting and no, I do not condone picking on even a bully for their poor make up choices, but even I fall short of my own ideals sometimes...)

It seems odd looks are a thing on that side of the political spectrum, not sure why. Not just Trump, also Boris Johnson, Dutch MP Geert Wilders, I could name a few more from my country. Maybe it gets them more media attention or they look more like political outsiders that way?

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« Reply #6791 on: January 09, 2021, 11:40:59 AM »
So any bets on how fast the interest in Trump will die off after Jan 20?

I am thinking by March we don't even have a post a week on him.

Happy days ahead!

I  want Trump  to go away after 12 noon on Inauguration Day.

Happily, he will not attend the inauguration ceremony so we won't see him as part of it on January 20.

Ideally, he'd retire to one of his estates and live as a recluse never to be seen or heard from again.

 President Trump  incited a seditious  mob to attack the Capitol building at the very time Congress was inside it  fulfilling its constitutional duty to ensure  that President-elect Biden's victory satisfied all constitutional requisites which are at the heart  of free and fair elections, the bedrock principle that registers the "consent of the governed."


President Trump's  incitement of the attack on the Capitol building is an egregious, unforgivable  violation of his oath of office to  "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

 Donald J. Trump, the 45th president of the United States of America, is a malignant perversion of the presidency. He is an evil  degenerate and an execrable  menace to America's constitutional scheme and her polity.

The House of Representatives must impeach him forthwith.

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« Reply #6792 on: January 09, 2021, 11:57:27 AM »
I'd also like to never hear from or about Trump again *except* that he's been held accountable for one or more of the (probable) crimes he has committed - at any time in his life, but ideally as president.  There has to be accountability for people to have any trust in government again.  Even with that accountability, people don't trust government and many of our other societal institutions, so we've already got an uphill battle ahead of us.  But this is an important element of rebuilding some sort of society.

Many dem/left groups are super excited, hypothesizing (or outright asserting) that the Manhattan DA has indictments ready to go for January 20 after noon.  I'm not so sure it will go down like that, but from all accounts, there are investigations in the works, so I look forward to hearing more about them....even if I really don't want to hear about Trump.  But if there are any prosecutions, you better bet he'll still be in the news.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6793 on: January 09, 2021, 12:21:10 PM »
So any bets on how fast the interest in Trump will die off after Jan 20?

I am thinking by March we don't even have a post a week on him.

Happy days ahead!

I  want Trump  to go away after 12 noon on Inauguration Day.

Happily, he will not attend the inauguration ceremony so we won't see him as part of it on January 20.

Ideally, he'd retire to one of his estates and live as a recluse never to be seen or heard from again.


I think one of his aims in escalating the wild post-election rhetoric has been to inflame his troops into opening their wallets, and donating to his vast war-chest for future campaigns and political activities (not to mention personal enrichment). Unfortunately the tactic proved wildly successful, to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. I don't think he will fade away quietly.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #6794 on: January 09, 2021, 12:56:15 PM »
trump and supporters are fascists

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« Reply #6795 on: January 09, 2021, 01:01:44 PM »
Trump ain't going anywhere!

Even if he wanted to fade away, the lawsuits coming his way will keep him in the news.

Plus, I don't think the Democrat party machine wants him to fade away either. He is the best recruitment tool for the Dems.

I so wish that Trump and Trumpism just fades away so that there is a sane center-left and sane center-right coalition that bargains and compromises with each other. But I know that is not going to happen for at least the next couple of decades!

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« Reply #6796 on: January 09, 2021, 01:18:29 PM »
how can you hope for center-left and center-right in the near term when our two major parties are actually center-right and lunatic-fringe-right by any measure other than the view from the lunatic-fringe-right?

Heck republicans today are calling some policies 'radical-left' today that Richard Nixon supported not so long ago.

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« Reply #6797 on: January 09, 2021, 02:29:16 PM »
how can you hope for center-left and center-right in the near term when our two major parties are actually center-right and lunatic-fringe-right by any measure other than the view from the lunatic-fringe-right?

It's pretty bad right. I don't want anything like a socialist government but education and health care require some massive changes. I believe in the free market and small government but there are certain issues where the free market doesn't provide the best outcome to society. There needs to be two parties that are much more to the center but the reality is that there are too many loonies out there so that is hard. I mean fixing access to health care and education would be considered left wing which is crazy.

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« Reply #6798 on: January 09, 2021, 04:35:18 PM »
So any bets on how fast the interest in Trump will die off after Jan 20?

I am thinking by March we don't even have a post a week on him.

Happy days ahead!
Trump was devoted to dominating the media-cycle long before he was POTUS.  Those of us from NYC remember how he was a *constant* focus for most of the 80s and 90s.  Then he ‘went national’.

I’d love to never hear from him starting in Feb.  But I’m certain he’ll manage to be the focus until he’s dead, and then for a while after. 

...not to mention, multiple law-suits, his noisy children (a Senate run by Don Jr?!) and the fact that he has millions of followers who will do insane crap based on half-baked conspiracy theories.

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