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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5950 on: December 08, 2020, 12:43:39 PM »
Not all, but he's immersed in it all day.  Even my 3 year old is picking up a lot of information from the ambient noise around him.

That's why I I don't like to when people compare Trump to a toddler. Toddlers are learning constantly.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5951 on: December 08, 2020, 01:32:13 PM »
Well, he may have started Space FOrce to prevent illegal alien immigration.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5952 on: December 08, 2020, 03:37:15 PM »
So...   how many more years will this thread continue?

I was hoping Trump would be consumed by his personal and business debt next year, but it seems Muricans have sent him 200M to do with as he wishes.   Maybe the state of New York will have something to say about this.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5953 on: December 08, 2020, 03:57:07 PM »
So...   how many more years will this thread continue?

I was hoping Trump would be consumed by his personal and business debt next year, but it seems Muricans have sent him 200M to do with as he wishes.   Maybe the state of New York will have something to say about this.

Maybe we're seeing light at the end of the tunnel (and hopefully not an oncoming train)?

U.S. Supreme Court rejects Republican challenge to Biden's Pennsylvania win (Reuters)

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) -The U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday handed a defeat to Republicans seeking to throw out up to 2.5 million mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania as they try to undo President Donald Trump’s election loss, with the justices refusing to block the state from formalizing President-elect Joe Biden’s victory there.

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There were no noted dissents from any of the justices on the court, which has a 6-3 conservative majority including three Trump appointees. Trump had urged the Republican-led Senate to confirm his most recent nominee, Justice Amy Coney Barrett, before Election Day so she could participate in any election-related cases.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5954 on: December 08, 2020, 03:57:47 PM »
So...   how many more years will this thread continue?

I was hoping Trump would be consumed by his personal and business debt next year, but it seems Muricans have sent him 200M to do with as he wishes.   Maybe the state of New York will have something to say about this.
Can he really use these donations for his personal gain? Despite all of the flagrant law breaking that would still surprise me.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5955 on: December 08, 2020, 04:08:43 PM »
So...   how many more years will this thread continue?

I was hoping Trump would be consumed by his personal and business debt next year, but it seems Muricans have sent him 200M to do with as he wishes.   Maybe the state of New York will have something to say about this.
Can he really use these donations for his personal gain? Despite all of the flagrant law breaking that would still surprise me.

He never gave much money to his own campaign, he loaned money to his campaign fund. Up until that is paid back, donations have a high potential of ending up back in his pocket.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5956 on: December 08, 2020, 04:18:41 PM »
So...   how many more years will this thread continue?

I was hoping Trump would be consumed by his personal and business debt next year, but it seems Muricans have sent him 200M to do with as he wishes.   Maybe the state of New York will have something to say about this.
Can he really use these donations for his personal gain? Despite all of the flagrant law breaking that would still surprise me.

He never gave much money to his own campaign, he loaned money to his campaign fund. Up until that is paid back, donations have a high potential of ending up back in his pocket.

Hopefully the cities still waiting to be paid for his rallies will start filing suits.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5957 on: December 08, 2020, 04:47:02 PM »
So...   how many more years will this thread continue?

If we limit it to DJT Sr.  I’d say 2024 at the earliest, unless he dies first. If we include his progeny this threat could potentially persist for decades (or whenever online forums go the way of the dinosaur).

Hey @talltexan - you have the potential of being the creator of the all-time longest thread if this keeps up for a few More months. Congratulations... or something.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5958 on: December 08, 2020, 05:49:07 PM »
So...   how many more years will this thread continue?

I was hoping Trump would be consumed by his personal and business debt next year, but it seems Muricans have sent him 200M to do with as he wishes.   Maybe the state of New York will have something to say about this.
Can he really use these donations for his personal gain? Despite all of the flagrant law breaking that would still surprise me.

Yes. The fine print states that the first $7000 or so of each contribution goes to Trump’s newly-created super-PAC. He has unlimited control over how that money is spent.

Sounds corrupt but it’s legal under current law.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5959 on: December 08, 2020, 06:32:44 PM »
So...   how many more years will this thread continue?

I was hoping Trump would be consumed by his personal and business debt next year, but it seems Muricans have sent him 200M to do with as he wishes.   Maybe the state of New York will have something to say about this.
Can he really use these donations for his personal gain? Despite all of the flagrant law breaking that would still surprise me.

Yes. The fine print states that the first $7000 or so of each contribution goes to Trump’s newly-created super-PAC. He has unlimited control over how that money is spent.

Sounds corrupt but it’s legal under current law.

He also used the Secret Service, the RNC, and his campaign to keep his hotel afloat by forcing them to use it.  He billed the campaign to pay a lot of his other bills as well throughout the year, so this is nothing new to him.  He'll just claim expenses and tap the fund for reimbursement.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5960 on: December 08, 2020, 07:47:58 PM »
So...   how many more years will this thread continue?

If we limit it to DJT Sr.  I’d say 2024 at the earliest, unless he dies first. If we include his progeny this threat could potentially persist for decades (or whenever online forums go the way of the dinosaur).

Hey @talltexan - you have the potential of being the creator of the all-time longest thread if this keeps up for a few More months. Congratulations... or something.

His progeny, however, don't have 45 years of experience in the confidence game.    If you read about his scams, it's quite the story.    For example, he talked a bank into a multi-hundred million dollar loan a few years after defaulting on a loan from the same bank.      There's no way the mini-Trumps have that level of expertise.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5961 on: December 09, 2020, 04:43:49 AM »
Alright I guess he does leak classified information, and it just got lost in the mix of the terrible things he's done.  Shame on me for giving him the benefit of the doubt.  You'd think I'd have learned how deplorable he is by now.

I was more worried about your assumption that he reads most of the classified information that crosses his desk.
LOL my thought exactly. It's hard work to get him to read the stuff he has to read. Even more?

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For example, he talked a bank into a multi-hundred million dollar loan a few years after defaulting on a loan from the same bank.
That might actually make sense depending on circumstances.
Imagine Tesla/Musk defaulting 3 years ago and saying he needed just a few millions more? A bit more time to make Tesla profitable?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5962 on: December 09, 2020, 07:00:21 AM »
So...   how many more years will this thread continue?

If we limit it to DJT Sr.  I’d say 2024 at the earliest, unless he dies first. If we include his progeny this threat could potentially persist for decades (or whenever online forums go the way of the dinosaur).

Hey @talltexan - you have the potential of being the creator of the all-time longest thread if this keeps up for a few More months. Congratulations... or something.

If this thread becomes that, then it's all the more a sign of what an indispensable part of history this man is. Which--given his character and abilities--I have trouble finding anything other than disgusting. He deserves to be remembered as one of history's great villains.

It also means I probably could have joined in the grift somehow, probably kickstarter'd a book project in which I would have explained to all my Trump-supporting friends how he would become the Republican FDR, winning term after term while the progressive movement fell into disunity and a political desert. In fact, my co-workers all acknowledge that long ago I was predicting Trump would run and win in 2024.

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« Reply #5963 on: December 09, 2020, 08:14:53 AM »
Does anyone else think it odd how so many trump supporters thought Biden was “too old” to be president in 2020 but seem to have no qualms about trump running in 2024? In 2024 Trump will be almost exactly the same age that Biden is now...

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5964 on: December 09, 2020, 08:18:42 AM »
It's so difficult to compare because usually the loser of the election typically seems to go into hiding for at least 6 months. I remember McCain still made a few headlines even afterwards, but after a few months everyone stops paying attention.

Then again, what other loser is still recognized as the "leader of the party"? Usually losing means you're not good enough to lead the party. I guess after Carter lost, it took a long time for the Dems to find their foothold again. Both Reagan and HW had to deal with a divided government their entire presidencies, perhaps we're looking at a strong possibility of a Dem Presidency and a Dem/R or R/R Legislature for the next decade or more. The only thing that I could see that might change that is if Dems are able to push through a DC statehood with a 50/50 senate, then maybe Biden will be able to hold onto a Dem majority for the first year.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5965 on: December 09, 2020, 08:51:49 AM »
Does anyone else think it odd how so many trump supporters thought Biden was “too old” to be president in 2020 but seem to have no qualms about trump running in 2024? In 2024 Trump will be almost exactly the same age that Biden is now...

Consistency is, shall we say, not their strong point.

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« Reply #5966 on: December 09, 2020, 08:54:23 AM »
It's so difficult to compare because usually the loser of the election typically seems to go into hiding for at least 6 months. I remember McCain still made a few headlines even afterwards, but after a few months everyone stops paying attention.

Then again, what other loser is still recognized as the "leader of the party"? Usually losing means you're not good enough to lead the party. I guess after Carter lost, it took a long time for the Dems to find their foothold again. Both Reagan and HW had to deal with a divided government their entire presidencies, perhaps we're looking at a strong possibility of a Dem Presidency and a Dem/R or R/R Legislature for the next decade or more. The only thing that I could see that might change that is if Dems are able to push through a DC statehood with a 50/50 senate, then maybe Biden will be able to hold onto a Dem majority for the first year.

The GOP will be defending twice as many seats in 2022 senate races. Should make it interesting.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5967 on: December 09, 2020, 11:08:39 AM »
Does anyone else think it odd how so many trump supporters thought Biden was “too old” to be president in 2020 but seem to have no qualms about trump running in 2024? In 2024 Trump will be almost exactly the same age that Biden is now...

And remember Obama was unsuitable as President b/c he did not have enough experience...

Trump did?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5968 on: December 09, 2020, 11:29:36 AM »
Stop applying logic and reasoning to them.  None of those arguments were ever made in good faith, and they didn't arrive at them from sound reasoning.  They didn't reason themselves into those views, so you can't expect to reason them out of them.  The issue isn't that Biden is too old, it's just that they don't like Biden, and no amount of facts or logical inconsistencies is going to change the fact that they don't like Biden.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5969 on: December 09, 2020, 11:37:49 AM »
Stop applying logic and reasoning to them.  None of those arguments were ever made in good faith, and they didn't arrive at them from sound reasoning.  They didn't reason themselves into those views, so you can't expect to reason them out of them.  The issue isn't that Biden is too old, it's just that they don't like Biden, and no amount of facts or logical inconsistencies is going to change the fact that they don't like Biden.
Good point, though I wonder if they ever really disliked Biden, but rather simply don’t like not holding the WH.  Despite four decades in Washington, Biden never seemed to evoke the level of hatred that HRC, Sanders or Warren got.  Their attacks kind of reflected that (the biggest ones being “he’s too old” and “he must be senile - see how he stuttered!?”) - and tellingly they didn’t get much traction beyond their base. Efforts to paint Biden as a liberal failed (because he’s so clearly not) so they tried to make him a “puppet of the left wing” (which has also struggled to take root).

But your broader point that you won’t logic your way towards acceptance is well taken.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5970 on: December 09, 2020, 11:42:02 AM »
I imagine most people who were republicans during the 2016 election cycle would have opted for Biden over Clinton.

But that's never how the choice was presented to them.

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« Reply #5971 on: December 09, 2020, 11:50:02 AM »
I imagine most people who were republicans during the 2016 election cycle would have opted for Biden over Clinton.

But that's never how the choice was presented to them.
Why?  Almost half of all states - including Texas and a bunch of other ‘red’ states - have open presidential primaries.  It’s completely within their power to vote for who they’d rather have even outside their party.

...of course, some like to play the ‘spoiler’ game and nominate a person they feel would be more easily beaten.  But that seems like a poor decision to me.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5972 on: December 09, 2020, 12:21:57 PM »
Stop applying logic and reasoning to them.  None of those arguments were ever made in good faith, and they didn't arrive at them from sound reasoning.  They didn't reason themselves into those views, so you can't expect to reason them out of them.  The issue isn't that Biden is too old, it's just that they don't like Biden, and no amount of facts or logical inconsistencies is going to change the fact that they don't like Biden.
Good point, though I wonder if they ever really disliked Biden, but rather simply don’t like not holding the WH.  Despite four decades in Washington, Biden never seemed to evoke the level of hatred that HRC, Sanders or Warren got.  Their attacks kind of reflected that (the biggest ones being “he’s too old” and “he must be senile - see how he stuttered!?”) - and tellingly they didn’t get much traction beyond their base. Efforts to paint Biden as a liberal failed (because he’s so clearly not) so they tried to make him a “puppet of the left wing” (which has also struggled to take root).

But your broader point that you won’t logic your way towards acceptance is well taken.

Biden has been in government for so long that absolutely everybody knows who he is, so the typical “socialist” and “liberal” labels didn’t work on him. He’s also male, so he doesn’t provoke the kinds of misogynistic attacks that were used against HRC. Biden was the perfect Democratic candidate for this election and he won fairly easily.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5973 on: December 09, 2020, 12:25:39 PM »
New Trump Outrage:

Trump has scheduled a rally in Florida on January 20th - exactly during Biden’s scheduled inauguration.

He’s literally trying to cross-program, and presumably this means he will not attend the inauguration during the ceremonial transfer of power as most (all?) recent Presidents have done.

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« Reply #5974 on: December 09, 2020, 12:31:03 PM »
New Trump Outrage:

Trump has scheduled a rally in Florida on January 20th - exactly during Biden’s scheduled inauguration.

He’s literally trying to cross-program, and presumably this means he will not attend the inauguration during the ceremonial transfer of power as most (all?) recent Presidents have done.

Just be happy he's there and not the white house.

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« Reply #5975 on: December 09, 2020, 12:37:15 PM »
Stop applying logic and reasoning to them.  None of those arguments were ever made in good faith, and they didn't arrive at them from sound reasoning.  They didn't reason themselves into those views, so you can't expect to reason them out of them.  The issue isn't that Biden is too old, it's just that they don't like Biden, and no amount of facts or logical inconsistencies is going to change the fact that they don't like Biden.

I think my favorite is voting for Trump because Biden clearly has dementia...

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5976 on: December 09, 2020, 12:55:16 PM »
New Trump Outrage:

Trump has scheduled a rally in Florida on January 20th - exactly during Biden’s scheduled inauguration.

He’s literally trying to cross-program, and presumably this means he will not attend the inauguration during the ceremonial transfer of power as most (all?) recent Presidents have done.

Just be happy he's there and not the white house.

I dunno . . . it would be quite therapeutic for much of the country to see Trump screaming and crying while secret service throws him out on his ass.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5977 on: December 09, 2020, 01:28:20 PM »
New Trump Outrage:

Trump has scheduled a rally in Florida on January 20th - exactly during Biden’s scheduled inauguration.

He’s literally trying to cross-program, and presumably this means he will not attend the inauguration during the ceremonial transfer of power as most (all?) recent Presidents have done.

    Might be better if trump did not attend the inaguration ? 
  I thought i recall seeing prior outgoing presidents give a short speech at previous inagurations.  There would be indignation among his supporters if he wasn't allowed to make a speech.  Who would get to hold the silence switch on the microphone feed ?   Surely he wouldn't be able to stop himself from venting about the transfer of power and the 'fraud' involved...

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« Reply #5978 on: December 09, 2020, 02:09:30 PM »
There was an article (in the Atlantic?) that proposed this might happen.

Trump might create a "shadow" government down the street from the WH in his hotel. He'd have his own cabinet and meet with the Republicans in office regularly.

$200M in donations goes a long way and he'd be squeezing his supporters for more.


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« Reply #5979 on: December 09, 2020, 02:56:42 PM »
There was an article (in the Atlantic?) that proposed this might happen.

Trump might create a "shadow" government down the street from the WH in his hotel. He'd have his own cabinet and meet with the Republicans in office regularly.

$200M in donations goes a long way and he'd be squeezing his supporters for more.

I think, more likely, he'll just start his 2024 run and raise money that way. By doing that he'll also control republican primaries.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5980 on: December 09, 2020, 03:14:49 PM »
Will they give Rudy the monoclonal therapy (like they did for the President)?

Or will they withhold it from him (like they did for Herman Caine)?
News outlets and Rudy are reporting that he was given the monoclonal therapy as well as other treatments.

According to Rudy being a celebrity has it’s benefits.


—Giuliani added that he wasn't aware of the lack of broad availability of his treatment regimen to the public.

"Sometimes, when you're a celebrity, they're worried if something happens to you," Giuliani added. "They're going to examine it more carefully and do everything right."


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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5981 on: December 09, 2020, 03:16:53 PM »
There was an article (in the Atlantic?) that proposed this might happen.

Trump might create a "shadow" government down the street from the WH in his hotel. He'd have his own cabinet and meet with the Republicans in office regularly.

$200M in donations goes a long way and he'd be squeezing his supporters for more.

I think, more likely, he'll just start his 2024 run and raise money that way. By doing that he'll also control republican primaries.

Good point.

From Satan worshiping cabals to boats of ballots from North Korea, can it get worse? Can Trump pull in more true believers?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5982 on: December 09, 2020, 03:26:23 PM »
Maybe Twitter will cut him off once he leaves office...

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5983 on: December 09, 2020, 04:05:04 PM »
Will they give Rudy the monoclonal therapy (like they did for the President)?

Or will they withhold it from him (like they did for Herman Caine)?
News outlets and Rudy are reporting that he was given the monoclonal therapy as well as other treatments.

According to Rudy being a celebrity has it’s benefits.


—Giuliani added that he wasn't aware of the lack of broad availability of his treatment regimen to the public.

"Sometimes, when you're a celebrity, they're worried if something happens to you," Giuliani added. "They're going to examine it more carefully and do everything right."


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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5984 on: December 09, 2020, 05:47:09 PM »
Stop applying logic and reasoning to them.  None of those arguments were ever made in good faith, and they didn't arrive at them from sound reasoning.  They didn't reason themselves into those views, so you can't expect to reason them out of them.  The issue isn't that Biden is too old, it's just that they don't like Biden, and no amount of facts or logical inconsistencies is going to change the fact that they don't like Biden.
Good point, though I wonder if they ever really disliked Biden, but rather simply don’t like not holding the WH.  Despite four decades in Washington, Biden never seemed to evoke the level of hatred that HRC, Sanders or Warren got.  Their attacks kind of reflected that (the biggest ones being “he’s too old” and “he must be senile - see how he stuttered!?”) - and tellingly they didn’t get much traction beyond their base. Efforts to paint Biden as a liberal failed (because he’s so clearly not) so they tried to make him a “puppet of the left wing” (which has also struggled to take root).

But your broader point that you won’t logic your way towards acceptance is well taken.

Biden has been in government for so long that absolutely everybody knows who he is, so the typical “socialist” and “liberal” labels didn’t work on him. He’s also male, so he doesn’t provoke the kinds of misogynistic attacks that were used against HRC. Biden was the perfect Democratic candidate for this election and he won fairly easily.

It was noticeable how many of the usual scare tactics just didn't apply to Biden this year. Some analysts remarked that Trump's team had prepared for a fight against Sanders, but when that didn't happen they didn't have a strategy tailored for Biden and just used what they had.

A couple weeks ago after it became clear the lawsuits weren't going anywhere and Biden would be it, the coup plotters in Congress started bringing out the usual Democrat tropes saying we're heading to Socialism/Communism/Marxism/TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. After 8 years of Clinton and 8 years of Obama we're not those things and you'd think the threats that the next Democrat will get us there would just ring hollow.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5985 on: December 09, 2020, 06:16:12 PM »
A good thing to remind conservative friends and family when they start to ramble/parrot what they heard from the rumor mill recently.

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« Reply #5986 on: December 09, 2020, 06:37:26 PM »
Stop applying logic and reasoning to them.  None of those arguments were ever made in good faith, and they didn't arrive at them from sound reasoning.  They didn't reason themselves into those views, so you can't expect to reason them out of them.  The issue isn't that Biden is too old, it's just that they don't like Biden, and no amount of facts or logical inconsistencies is going to change the fact that they don't like Biden.
Good point, though I wonder if they ever really disliked Biden, but rather simply don’t like not holding the WH.  Despite four decades in Washington, Biden never seemed to evoke the level of hatred that HRC, Sanders or Warren got.  Their attacks kind of reflected that (the biggest ones being “he’s too old” and “he must be senile - see how he stuttered!?”) - and tellingly they didn’t get much traction beyond their base. Efforts to paint Biden as a liberal failed (because he’s so clearly not) so they tried to make him a “puppet of the left wing” (which has also struggled to take root).

But your broader point that you won’t logic your way towards acceptance is well taken.

Biden has been in government for so long that absolutely everybody knows who he is, so the typical “socialist” and “liberal” labels didn’t work on him. He’s also male, so he doesn’t provoke the kinds of misogynistic attacks that were used against HRC. Biden was the perfect Democratic candidate for this election and he won fairly easily.

It was noticeable how many of the usual scare tactics just didn't apply to Biden this year. Some analysts remarked that Trump's team had prepared for a fight against Sanders, but when that didn't happen they didn't have a strategy tailored for Biden and just used what they had.

A couple weeks ago after it became clear the lawsuits weren't going anywhere and Biden would be it, the coup plotters in Congress started bringing out the usual Democrat tropes saying we're heading to Socialism/Communism/Marxism/TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. After 8 years of Clinton and 8 years of Obama we're not those things and you'd think the threats that the next Democrat will get us there would just ring hollow.

It didn't work, but it is interesting how they tend to pick traits that Trump embodies: Clinton was dishonest and supported sexual predators...Biden blithers...

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5987 on: December 10, 2020, 03:50:43 AM »
There was an article (in the Atlantic?) that proposed this might happen.

Trump might create a "shadow" government down the street from the WH in his hotel. He'd have his own cabinet and meet with the Republicans in office regularly.

$200M in donations goes a long way and he'd be squeezing his supporters for more.
I can actually see that happen for a few month.

Like the pope/anti-pope thing that happened a few times in history.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5988 on: December 10, 2020, 06:48:01 AM »
There was an article (in the Atlantic?) that proposed this might happen.

Trump might create a "shadow" government down the street from the WH in his hotel. He'd have his own cabinet and meet with the Republicans in office regularly.

$200M in donations goes a long way and he'd be squeezing his supporters for more.

The people participating in such a shadow government would be the equivalent of either fund-raisers or lobbyists, and there's certainly plenty of that going on already.

John Adams skipped Thomas Jefferson's inauguration, and it didn't prevent Jefferson's political movement from holding power for the next quarter-century.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5989 on: December 10, 2020, 06:57:54 AM »
There was an article (in the Atlantic?) that proposed this might happen.

Trump might create a "shadow" government down the street from the WH in his hotel. He'd have his own cabinet and meet with the Republicans in office regularly.

$200M in donations goes a long way and he'd be squeezing his supporters for more.

The people participating in such a shadow government would be the equivalent of either fund-raisers or lobbyists, and there's certainly plenty of that going on already.

John Adams skipped Thomas Jefferson's inauguration, and it didn't prevent Jefferson's political movement from holding power for the next quarter-century.

"Shadow Government" sounds scary but is largely meaningless.  For the first year of Trump's presidency conservative media were accusing Obama of leading a 'shadow government' since he had the audacity to remain in Washington DC.

I expect Trump will want to play "kingmaker" regardless of where he lives, and he certainly (IMO) won't stop calling into Fox and others to opine and whine about things he might not not much about.   Nothing illegal about that.  Being in constant conversations with GOP legislators won't make Biden not president, nor will it change SCOTUS or the Dem-led House.  Heck, given Trump's inability to play the long game while in office I'm betting his efforts post-election will confuse and muddle the 'minority government response' to Biden's agenda:  McConnell would probably be more effective if Trump just left the picture all together.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5990 on: December 10, 2020, 07:34:10 AM »
As long as it's not about judges, Trump doesn't give a damn about what makes McConnell's life easier.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5991 on: December 10, 2020, 03:36:04 PM »
McConnell would probably be more effective if Trump just left the picture all together.

McConnell had the same opinion four years ago.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5992 on: December 11, 2020, 09:42:31 AM »
Taken individually and as a whole, the series of lawsuits brought by the Trump campaign and associates attempting to overturn the election, and culminating in the Texas case seem grossly frivolous, if not outright malicious. From a layperson's perspective, it seems the judges have generally been telling them to not let the door hit them on the way out of the courthouse, and at least a number of attorneys have banded together to send letters asking respective bar associations to review the conduct of Giuliani and others due to their participation in, and orchestration of these cases. For the more legally-knowledgeable in the group, who has the ability to claim damages from these frivolous lawsuits and ask for redress? I feel that the voters of the affected states, or the elections boards could have this standing, but honestly don't know. Understanding that a fair judiciary does not want to have a chilling effect on people seeking to use the court system needs to be balanced against protection from abuse through the system, I see the set of lawsuits as fitting the criteria for being both frivolous and even malicious in that they are intended to create an air of illegitimacy for the government of the United States. Can someone with more legal knowledge chime in on this (Trump-outrageous) topic?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5993 on: December 11, 2020, 09:50:48 AM »
Taken individually and as a whole, the series of lawsuits brought by the Trump campaign and associates attempting to overturn the election, and culminating in the Texas case seem grossly frivolous, if not outright malicious. From a layperson's perspective, it seems the judges have generally been telling them to not let the door hit them on the way out of the courthouse, and at least a number of attorneys have banded together to send letters asking respective bar associations to review the conduct of Giuliani and others due to their participation in, and orchestration of these cases. For the more legally-knowledgeable in the group, who has the ability to claim damages from these frivolous lawsuits and ask for redress? I feel that the voters of the affected states, or the elections boards could have this standing, but honestly don't know. Understanding that a fair judiciary does not want to have a chilling effect on people seeking to use the court system needs to be balanced against protection from abuse through the system, I see the set of lawsuits as fitting the criteria for being both frivolous and even malicious in that they are intended to create an air of illegitimacy for the government of the United States. Can someone with more legal knowledge chime in on this (Trump-outrageous) topic?

Not damages, but in their response to the Texas lawsuit, the AGs of Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan and Wisconsin gave a laundry list of reasons why it should be thrown out, among them that Texas lacks any standing whatsoever to challenge the voting procedures of other states.  In his filing, AG of Pennsylvania Shapiro writes: Texas has not suffered harm simply because it dislikes the result of the election, and nothing in the text, history, or structure of the Constitution supports Texas’s view that it can dictate the manner in which four other states run their elections,

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5994 on: December 11, 2020, 10:00:07 AM »
Taken individually and as a whole, the series of lawsuits brought by the Trump campaign and associates attempting to overturn the election, and culminating in the Texas case seem grossly frivolous, if not outright malicious. From a layperson's perspective, it seems the judges have generally been telling them to not let the door hit them on the way out of the courthouse, and at least a number of attorneys have banded together to send letters asking respective bar associations to review the conduct of Giuliani and others due to their participation in, and orchestration of these cases. For the more legally-knowledgeable in the group, who has the ability to claim damages from these frivolous lawsuits and ask for redress? I feel that the voters of the affected states, or the elections boards could have this standing, but honestly don't know. Understanding that a fair judiciary does not want to have a chilling effect on people seeking to use the court system needs to be balanced against protection from abuse through the system, I see the set of lawsuits as fitting the criteria for being both frivolous and even malicious in that they are intended to create an air of illegitimacy for the government of the United States. Can someone with more legal knowledge chime in on this (Trump-outrageous) topic?

Not damages, but in their response to the Texas lawsuit, the AGs of Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan and Wisconsin gave a laundry list of reasons why it should be thrown out, among them that Texas lacks any standing whatsoever to challenge the voting procedures of other states.  In his filing, AG of Pennsylvania Shapiro writes: Texas has not suffered harm simply because it dislikes the result of the election, and nothing in the text, history, or structure of the Constitution supports Texas’s view that it can dictate the manner in which four other states run their elections,

Our AG similarly argued that Texas has not suffered harm from Michigan's election laws.

I assumed the pay-for-pardon scheme explained Giuliani. It also seems to explain the Texas AG's behavior.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5995 on: December 11, 2020, 10:07:56 AM »
Taken individually and as a whole, the series of lawsuits brought by the Trump campaign and associates attempting to overturn the election, and culminating in the Texas case seem grossly frivolous, if not outright malicious. From a layperson's perspective, it seems the judges have generally been telling them to not let the door hit them on the way out of the courthouse, and at least a number of attorneys have banded together to send letters asking respective bar associations to review the conduct of Giuliani and others due to their participation in, and orchestration of these cases. For the more legally-knowledgeable in the group, who has the ability to claim damages from these frivolous lawsuits and ask for redress? I feel that the voters of the affected states, or the elections boards could have this standing, but honestly don't know. Understanding that a fair judiciary does not want to have a chilling effect on people seeking to use the court system needs to be balanced against protection from abuse through the system, I see the set of lawsuits as fitting the criteria for being both frivolous and even malicious in that they are intended to create an air of illegitimacy for the government of the United States. Can someone with more legal knowledge chime in on this (Trump-outrageous) topic?

Not damages, but in their response to the Texas lawsuit, the AGs of Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan and Wisconsin gave a laundry list of reasons why it should be thrown out, among them that Texas lacks any standing whatsoever to challenge the voting procedures of other states.  In his filing, AG of Pennsylvania Shapiro writes: Texas has not suffered harm simply because it dislikes the result of the election, and nothing in the text, history, or structure of the Constitution supports Texas’s view that it can dictate the manner in which four other states run their elections,
The question is not if Texas has standing, or if their case has merit. It seems pretty clear that neither is the case. The question is about these cases being frivolous and malicious and who has standing or a case to made against the plaintiffs in that context. In other words, is there any legal recourse against the GOP for this blatant attempt to overthrow an election, or at a minimum attempt to delegitimize the Biden administration and US government, with frivolous/malicious lawsuits?
Edited to fix quotes....
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5996 on: December 11, 2020, 10:29:50 AM »
Taken individually and as a whole, the series of lawsuits brought by the Trump campaign and associates attempting to overturn the election, and culminating in the Texas case seem grossly frivolous, if not outright malicious. From a layperson's perspective, it seems the judges have generally been telling them to not let the door hit them on the way out of the courthouse, and at least a number of attorneys have banded together to send letters asking respective bar associations to review the conduct of Giuliani and others due to their participation in, and orchestration of these cases. For the more legally-knowledgeable in the group, who has the ability to claim damages from these frivolous lawsuits and ask for redress? I feel that the voters of the affected states, or the elections boards could have this standing, but honestly don't know. Understanding that a fair judiciary does not want to have a chilling effect on people seeking to use the court system needs to be balanced against protection from abuse through the system, I see the set of lawsuits as fitting the criteria for being both frivolous and even malicious in that they are intended to create an air of illegitimacy for the government of the United States. Can someone with more legal knowledge chime in on this (Trump-outrageous) topic?

Not damages, but in their response to the Texas lawsuit, the AGs of Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan and Wisconsin gave a laundry list of reasons why it should be thrown out, among them that Texas lacks any standing whatsoever to challenge the voting procedures of other states.  In his filing, AG of Pennsylvania Shapiro writes: Texas has not suffered harm simply because it dislikes the result of the election, and nothing in the text, history, or structure of the Constitution supports Texas’s view that it can dictate the manner in which four other states run their elections,
The question is not if Texas has standing, or if their case has merit. It seems pretty clear that neither is the case. The question is about these cases being frivolous and malicious and who has standing or a case to made against the plaintiffs in that context. In other words, is there any legal recourse against the GOP for this blatant attempt to overthrow an election, or at a minimum attempt to delegitimize the Biden administration and US government, with frivolous/malicious lawsuits?

Ah, sorry - I understand your question now. 
It will be interesting to see if there's any legal fallout from these spurious legal actions.
Also, fixed your quotes :-P

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5997 on: December 11, 2020, 04:51:32 PM »
OMG! This is beautiful!

Supreme Court rejects lawsuit from Texas and Trump to overturn the election
From CNN's Ariane de Vogue

The Supreme Court acted with unusual speed to reject a bid from Texas’ attorney general— supported by President Trump — to block the ballots of millions of voters in battleground states that went in favor of President-elect Joe Biden.

The court’s move to dismiss the challenge is the strongest indication yet, that Trump has no chance of overturning election results in court that even the justices who he placed on the Supreme Court have no interest in allowing his desperate legal bids to continue.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-us-election-news-12-11-20/h_0f5210649341a9c63a3fac9a6f1abdae

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5998 on: December 11, 2020, 05:25:44 PM »
OMG! This is beautiful!

Supreme Court rejects lawsuit from Texas and Trump to overturn the election
From CNN's Ariane de Vogue

The Supreme Court acted with unusual speed to reject a bid from Texas’ attorney general— supported by President Trump — to block the ballots of millions of voters in battleground states that went in favor of President-elect Joe Biden.

The court’s move to dismiss the challenge is the strongest indication yet, that Trump has no chance of overturning election results in court that even the justices who he placed on the Supreme Court have no interest in allowing his desperate legal bids to continue.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-us-election-news-12-11-20/h_0f5210649341a9c63a3fac9a6f1abdae

Can you imagine the temper tantrum he’s throwing right now?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5999 on: December 11, 2020, 05:30:40 PM »
Hah-hah, you just made my day.   Thank you for that.