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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5750 on: November 24, 2020, 11:23:50 AM »
I think January 21st 2020 is much too soon. My prediction is that it will be a gradual distancing from Trump over the next year or so, followed by a lot more internal criticism. Every time the Dems pass a new policy there will be grumbling of “well this wouldn’t have happened of only Trump could have held onto the WH...”

Ambitious politicians from all parties and countries are skilled at undermining their own for personal gain. Cruz, Graham, Pompeo and Lee are all very ambitious (and politically skilled). Look at how quickly the flipped from being Trump critics to being his sycophants for obvious personal gain. Now Trump stands in the way of their ambitions.

Edit; add C Christie to that list ( among others). He recently called Trump’s post election conduct “a national embarrassment”. Gee, he was a presidential contender too. And was railroaded by Trump before becoming his advisor (and then railroaded again).

There was an army of skilled and motivated politicians that came after him in 2016 including the aformentioned Cruz and Graham, plus Jeb Bush, who seemingly had every advantage to breezing through to be the nominee. None of that matters in the face of Cult of Personality. Trump consistently had 90%+ support of Republican voters despite everything that happened from The escalator/Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers through today. If he wants the nomination in 2024, it is his.

I'm not convinced.
Most politicians didn't take Trump very seriously in 2016 until it was too late.  Now he's the front-runner in the GOP - very different circumstances.  Also, he was able to sell himself as the political outsider and successful businessman who "didn't need to do this".  He's no longer some party outsider, and his image as a successful businessman is looking less and less sound each month.

Then there's the passage of time.  I agree that if the GOP were to chose their candidate for 2024 now, Trump could take it in a cake walk.  But it won't be decided for over three years.  That's 3 years in which he'll have a target on his back from all sides.  Three years of (IMO) unfavorable review of his presidency. His 90% approval within the party today means little.  Most presidents experience a large drift in their popularity once they leave office.  WJ Clinton is less popular now than he was during his final months.  Carter and Bush Sr are viewed far more favorably.   Trump's party approval has practically no-where to go but down.  It's my suspicion that it will fall, and significantly so

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5751 on: November 24, 2020, 12:01:32 PM »
You are laying out a lot of logical conclusions, but I'm not convinced these voters will follow your logic and reach the same conclusions.  All of these nice, sound, rational reasons you are laying out are not very convincing considering the 4 year heinous shit show I just watched, and he literally had 72M people for him 3 weeks ago.  You experienced the same reality I did, which includes him getting the second most votes for president, ever (second only to Biden, this election).  As embarrassing as he is, he commands a large following somehow. 

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5752 on: November 24, 2020, 12:06:27 PM »
Trump’s 2021 will involve some, or perhaps all, of the following:

2. Divorce

That doesn’t even count the various tell-all books. It will be fascinating to watch.

Why would this happen?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5753 on: November 24, 2020, 12:06:46 PM »
I’d be curious to know how many of those 72 million voted for Trump, and how many voted against Biden. I’m guessing there’s a solid 25 to 35 million misguided souls who voted for Trump.  Are there 37 to 47 million who helped their noses while voting for him but would prefer a better standard bearer for their policy preferences? How far does the cult of personality go?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5754 on: November 24, 2020, 12:08:29 PM »
I think January 21st 2020 is much too soon. My prediction is that it will be a gradual distancing from Trump over the next year or so, followed by a lot more internal criticism. Every time the Dems pass a new policy there will be grumbling of “well this wouldn’t have happened of only Trump could have held onto the WH...”

Ambitious politicians from all parties and countries are skilled at undermining their own for personal gain. Cruz, Graham, Pompeo and Lee are all very ambitious (and politically skilled). Look at how quickly the flipped from being Trump critics to being his sycophants for obvious personal gain. Now Trump stands in the way of their ambitions.

Edit; add C Christie to that list ( among others). He recently called Trump’s post election conduct “a national embarrassment”. Gee, he was a presidential contender too. And was railroaded by Trump before becoming his advisor (and then railroaded again).

There was an army of skilled and motivated politicians that came after him in 2016 including the aformentioned Cruz and Graham, plus Jeb Bush, who seemingly had every advantage to breezing through to be the nominee. None of that matters in the face of Cult of Personality. Trump consistently had 90%+ support of Republican voters despite everything that happened from The escalator/Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers through today. If he wants the nomination in 2024, it is his.

I'm not convinced.
Most politicians didn't take Trump very seriously in 2016 until it was too late.  Now he's the front-runner in the GOP - very different circumstances.  Also, he was able to sell himself as the political outsider and successful businessman who "didn't need to do this".  He's no longer some party outsider, and his image as a successful businessman is looking less and less sound each month.

Then there's the passage of time.  I agree that if the GOP were to chose their candidate for 2024 now, Trump could take it in a cake walk.  But it won't be decided for over three years.  That's 3 years in which he'll have a target on his back from all sides.  Three years of (IMO) unfavorable review of his presidency. His 90% approval within the party today means little.  Most presidents experience a large drift in their popularity once they leave office.  WJ Clinton is less popular now than he was during his final months.  Carter and Bush Sr are viewed far more favorably.   Trump's party approval has practically no-where to go but down.  It's my suspicion that it will fall, and significantly so

I think the challenge you are having is because you are thinking of Trump like a traditional politician. The schema you need is one of a cult leader. He's got three years to continue rambling his nonsense on Twitter. 3 years to hold rallies. 3 years to get the Trump Media network/website/entity up a running.

Don't compare him to Clinton and Bush. Compare him to Manson, Jones, Hubbard, and Karesch.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5755 on: November 24, 2020, 12:08:48 PM »
You are laying out a lot of logical conclusions, but I'm not convinced these voters will follow your logic and reach the same conclusions.  All of these nice, sound, rational reasons you are laying out are not very convincing considering the 4 year heinous shit show I just watched, and he literally had 72M people for him 3 weeks ago.  You experienced the same reality I did, which includes him getting the second most votes for president, ever (second only to Biden, this election).  As embarrassing as he is, he commands a large following somehow.

Yep. Trump can convince his followers that a court loss is really a win. His followers believe that the Four Seasons fuckup was on purpose and that the election fraud evidence is coming any day now (two more weeks!)

The true believers are suckers. If he tells them that shit is gold, they'd hoard it.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5756 on: November 24, 2020, 12:10:47 PM »
Trump’s 2021 will involve some, or perhaps all, of the following:

2. Divorce

That doesn’t even count the various tell-all books. It will be fascinating to watch.

Why would this happen?

According to something I read (that may be wishful thinking), Melanie renegotiated her pre-nup at the beginning of Trump’s presidency.  The gist of it was, if she stays with him through his time in the White House, she gets a bigger number if they divorce.  In other words, the golden handcuffs may be looser after January 20th.

That answers why she could divorce him. Why would she?  I don’t think I really need to list the reasons...

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5757 on: November 24, 2020, 12:17:04 PM »
You are laying out a lot of logical conclusions, but I'm not convinced these voters will follow your logic and reach the same conclusions.  All of these nice, sound, rational reasons you are laying out are not very convincing considering the 4 year heinous shit show I just watched, and he literally had 72M people for him 3 weeks ago.  You experienced the same reality I did, which includes him getting the second most votes for president, ever (second only to Biden, this election).  As embarrassing as he is, he commands a large following somehow.

That's a good a counter-argument as any.
Time will tell, i guess.  If I had to summarize my thinking here it would be "don't underestimate the force of ambition".  Regardless of the outcome I think the next few years will be ones which poli-sci majors will study for decades.

Don't compare him to Clinton and Bush. Compare him to Manson, Jones, Hubbard, and Karesch.

Fair enough - were Manson, Jones, Hubbard and Karesch more or less popular after they had been knocked from their leadership role?  I know the most about Manson, and his followers largely recanted and claimed brainwashing.

Yep. Trump can convince his followers that a court loss is really a win. His followers believe that the Four Seasons fuckup was on purpose and that the election fraud evidence is coming any day now (two more weeks!)

The true believers are suckers. If he tells them that shit is gold, they'd hoard it.

As we've seen, his 'true believers' were woefully insufficient to push him into a second term, even with (likely) tens-of-millions of others who held their nose and voted for him (because they love conservative judges or fear a Dem's "socialism!!" or...whatever).  So.... in politics what matters most is who can WIN, and who is perceived as most likely to win.  Trump's challenge will be to convince MORE people he can win after her just lost.  I'll admit, he's got a special talent and history of doing just that. 
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5758 on: November 24, 2020, 12:18:11 PM »
I’d be curious to know how many of those 72 million voted for Trump, and how many voted against Biden. I’m guessing there’s a solid 25 to 35 million misguided souls who voted for Trump.  Are there 37 to 47 million who helped their noses while voting for him but would prefer a better standard bearer for their policy preferences? How far does the cult of personality go?

Given the number of Republicans who claimed they would vote for Biden in order to preserve the rule of law, I think the vast majority of Trump voters are voting for Trump. Well, and against Biden in so far as he is clearly a corrupt pedo commie, but if you are voting based on such conspiracy theories, that is a vote for Trump disguised with lies as to why you could not possibly vote against him. Just like all my relatives who voted for Trump because Clinton is a liar who didn't dump her husband over his sexual improprieties.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5759 on: November 24, 2020, 12:33:37 PM »
2. Divorce

Why would this happen?

Do a quick google for "Melania rejects Donald's hand". Even before Trump took office there was long-running speculation that she hates Trump because she seems to recoil every time he touches her. And that trend has only continued in the last four years. It would be funny if it weren't such a sad situation.

Have you ever seen them being affectionate with each other? You know, like the spouse of literally every other politician regularly does? I would not be at all surprised if she divorces him next year.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5760 on: November 24, 2020, 01:02:06 PM »
Plenty of people stay in marriages in which they are not obviously affectionate. Melania's celebrity was amplified by the marriage, and further amplified by the Trump Presidency. I don't believe she's interested in throwing that away.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5761 on: November 24, 2020, 01:13:53 PM »
2. Divorce

Why would this happen?

Do a quick google for "Melania rejects Donald's hand". Even before Trump took office there was long-running speculation that she hates Trump because she seems to recoil every time he touches her. And that trend has only continued in the last four years. It would be funny if it weren't such a sad situation.

Have you ever seen them being affectionate with each other? You know, like the spouse of literally every other politician regularly does? I would not be at all surprised if she divorces him next year.

She has seemed to be a bit fed up with her husband lately. I think it is different to be a trophy wife to a somewhat famous guy and to be the trophy wife to a man with  a somewhat erratic behavior that is seen by the "whole" world. In the first position you could be somewhat anonymous, while now everything she does is judged. I would also have renegotiated "the deal" in her case.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5762 on: November 24, 2020, 01:24:00 PM »
Most women would be at least somewhat unhappy to find out that their husband was paying tens of thousands of dollars to fuck porn stars.  Cheating on wives is a deeply ingrained pattern of Trump's though - he started dating Melania while still married after all - so I'm not sure if it would be surprising or cause for concern to her.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5763 on: November 24, 2020, 01:43:24 PM »
Most women would be at least somewhat unhappy to find out that their husband was paying tens of thousands of dollars to fuck porn stars.  Cheating on wives is a deeply ingrained pattern of Trump's though - he started dating Melania while still married after all - so I'm not sure if it would be surprising or cause for concern to her.

Makes me wonder if there is a cheating clause in her post-nup.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5764 on: November 24, 2020, 01:58:43 PM »
Most women would be at least somewhat unhappy to find out that their husband was paying tens of thousands of dollars to fuck porn stars.  Cheating on wives is a deeply ingrained pattern of Trump's though - he started dating Melania while still married after all - so I'm not sure if it would be surprising or cause for concern to her.

Makes me wonder if there is a cheating clause in her post-nup.

In Jan/Feb of 2017 Melania stayed behind in NYC instead of moving into the WH with Donald.  Reports later surfaced that she used the optics of the situation as well as the revelations from Stormy Daniels to re-negotiate her post-nup very strongly in her favor.

What I wonder is what kind of a family feud will occur after DJT”s passing when all five of his children + Melania get various stakes in whatever is left of his assets.  Nancy Trump tells an epic story of how Donald basically cheated the other family members out of their share of Fred Trump’s estate.  Wouldn’t be surprised if that occurs again - though who will benefit the most (my money is on Melania - though Jr is certainly devilish enough).

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5765 on: November 24, 2020, 02:06:31 PM »
Most women would be at least somewhat unhappy to find out that their husband was paying tens of thousands of dollars to fuck porn stars.  Cheating on wives is a deeply ingrained pattern of Trump's though - he started dating Melania while still married after all - so I'm not sure if it would be surprising or cause for concern to her.

Makes me wonder if there is a cheating clause in her post-nup.

In Jan/Feb of 2017 Melania stayed behind in NYC instead of moving into the WH with Donald.  Reports later surfaced that she used the optics of the situation as well as the revelations from Stormy Daniels to re-negotiate her post-nup very strongly in her favor.

What I wonder is what kind of a family feud will occur after DJT”s passing when all five of his children + Melania get various stakes in whatever is left of his assets.  Nancy Trump tells an epic story of how Donald basically cheated the other family members out of their share of Fred Trump’s estate.  Wouldn’t be surprised if that occurs again - though who will benefit the most (my money is on Melania - though Jr is certainly devilish enough).
Or perhaps years of fraud will catch up and there will be nothing to split and argue over but blame.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5766 on: November 24, 2020, 02:08:35 PM »
Most women would be at least somewhat unhappy to find out that their husband was paying tens of thousands of dollars to fuck porn stars.  Cheating on wives is a deeply ingrained pattern of Trump's though - he started dating Melania while still married after all - so I'm not sure if it would be surprising or cause for concern to her.

Makes me wonder if there is a cheating clause in her post-nup.

In Jan/Feb of 2017 Melania stayed behind in NYC instead of moving into the WH with Donald.  Reports later surfaced that she used the optics of the situation as well as the revelations from Stormy Daniels to re-negotiate her post-nup very strongly in her favor.

What I wonder is what kind of a family feud will occur after DJT”s passing when all five of his children + Melania get various stakes in whatever is left of his assets.  Nancy Trump tells an epic story of how Donald basically cheated the other family members out of their share of Fred Trump’s estate.  Wouldn’t be surprised if that occurs again - though who will benefit the most (my money is on Melania - though Jr is certainly devilish enough).

I'm thinking Ivanka is going to be the most favorably off. She always seemed to be the favorite, her husband got a plum job (plus both grown brothers excuse me seem thick as posts), Melania seems to dislike her (possibly vice versa?) I don't really care about hearing about Trump after he is no longer the president. I do believe the infighting amongst wife + youngest child and all the other children for inheritances may be EPIC, especially if they find there is significantly less to fight over than they thought. They all hitched their stars to him. Bad judgement.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5767 on: November 24, 2020, 03:10:37 PM »

In Jan/Feb of 2017 Melania stayed behind in NYC instead of moving into the WH with Donald.  Reports later surfaced that she used the optics of the situation as well as the revelations from Stormy Daniels to re-negotiate her post-nup very strongly in her favor.

What I wonder is what kind of a family feud will occur after DJT”s passing when all five of his children + Melania get various stakes in whatever is left of his assets.  Nancy Trump tells an epic story of how Donald basically cheated the other family members out of their share of Fred Trump’s estate.  Wouldn’t be surprised if that occurs again - though who will benefit the most (my money is on Melania - though Jr is certainly devilish enough).

I'm thinking Ivanka is going to be the most favorably off. She always seemed to be the favorite, her husband got a plum job (plus both grown brothers excuse me seem thick as posts), Melania seems to dislike her (possibly vice versa?) I don't really care about hearing about Trump after he is no longer the president. I do believe the infighting amongst wife + youngest child and all the other children for inheritances may be EPIC, especially if they find there is significantly less to fight over than they thought. They all tied hitched their stars to him. Bad judgement.

Well, they may all end up being the examples of why not to have your children have economic outpatient status.  And why not to hire family.  And why not to marry for money.  Or at least, if you do marry for money, get the money transferred to your name early.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5768 on: November 24, 2020, 08:09:52 PM »
Trump was just retweeting Randy Quaid....

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5769 on: November 25, 2020, 02:46:29 AM »
Plenty of people stay in marriages in which they are not obviously affectionate. Melania's celebrity was amplified by the marriage, and further amplified by the Trump Presidency. I don't believe she's interested in throwing that away.
But from now on, whatever she wanted from, can only go downward.
I would guess a grace period of half a year.

And yes, I guess the infighting will be horrible. Maybe Melanie is a secret Sadist and wants to watch it? :D

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5770 on: November 25, 2020, 08:49:36 AM »
Ivanka married the wealthiest partner of the five children.

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« Reply #5771 on: November 25, 2020, 11:32:24 AM »
Ivanka married the wealthiest partner of the five children.
!?.... maybe...?
...but perhaps (also) the one most deeply in debt, and legal jeopardy.
Two years before they married, Kushner overpaid for the 666 building on 5th avenue, taking out a $1.2BB loan with a fairly high interest rate.  Then the market went into the toilet and he's been in debt to the Saudis since they helped bail him out.

https://www.justsecurity.org/69094/timeline-on-jared-kushner-qatar-666-fifth-avenue-and-white-house-policy/

So perhaps Ivanka is the child who most married someone like her father... in debt, leveraged up to his eyeballs and in-bed with some unscrupulous people.

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« Reply #5774 on: November 25, 2020, 04:52:29 PM »
Huh.  Have we become so desensitized by Trump’s antics that no one has mentioned he pardoned Michael Flynn today?  His first National Security Advisor, who lied to the FBI and obstructed justice in an investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election...


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« Reply #5775 on: November 25, 2020, 05:32:07 PM »
Huh.  Have we become so desensitized by Trump’s antics that no one has mentioned he pardoned Michael Flynn today?  His first National Security Advisor, who lied to the FBI and obstructed justice in an investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election...

This will be the first of several to many of such bullshit pardons and clemency. The full list of such granted by Trump to date is a laundry list of political connection, donations to the Trump campaign, and political red meat. The commutations for deserving persons such as Jack Johnson are far and away the outliers. Of course, Matt Gaetz has gone on record as saying Trump should basically just go hog wild with pardons explicitly to own the 'libs. I suspect a lot of these will happen on Fridays and just before holidays such that people are distracted and it is "old news" by the time Monday rolls around. Should we get a pool going on a bid for a blanket clemency/pardon for anyone named Trump on December 24?

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« Reply #5776 on: November 25, 2020, 05:43:24 PM »

So perhaps Ivanka is the child who most married someone like her father... in debt, leveraged up to his eyeballs and in-bed with some unscrupulous people.

And it's all involving real estate.

Huh.  Have we become so desensitized by Trump’s antics that no one has mentioned he pardoned Michael Flynn today?  His first National Security Advisor, who lied to the FBI and obstructed justice in an investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election...


When I went to bed the headline was "he's thinking about it." I'm not desensitized, but rather my only thought was "took him long enough." People have been predicting a Flynn pardon for a couple years.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5777 on: November 25, 2020, 05:49:51 PM »
Huh.  Have we become so desensitized by Trump’s antics that no one has mentioned he pardoned Michael Flynn today?  His first National Security Advisor, who lied to the FBI and obstructed justice in an investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election...

I only just saw the headline. It's not surprising in the slightest. He's going to do as much damage as possible in the next 8 weeks. It's the federal equivalent of trashing your rental before you get evicted, although he might also literally do that.

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« Reply #5778 on: November 25, 2020, 06:09:28 PM »
Huh.  Have we become so desensitized by Trump’s antics that no one has mentioned he pardoned Michael Flynn today?  His first National Security Advisor, who lied to the FBI and obstructed justice in an investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election...

I only just saw the headline. It's not surprising in the slightest. He's going to do as much damage as possible in the next 8 weeks. It's the federal equivalent of trashing your rental before you get evicted, although he might also literally do that.

What, like he’ll smash a few windows in the WH? 

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5779 on: November 25, 2020, 06:15:15 PM »
What, like he’ll smash a few windows in the WH?
... or get piss on a few of the beds, whatever.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5780 on: November 25, 2020, 06:46:24 PM »
Would anyone here really be surprised if he burnt the White House to the ground?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5781 on: November 25, 2020, 06:49:22 PM »
Would anyone here really be surprised if he burnt the White House to the ground?

If the WH did burn to the ground, I would be surprised if it wasn't blamed on Obama.

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« Reply #5782 on: November 25, 2020, 07:16:41 PM »
Would anyone here really be surprised if he burnt the White House to the ground?

Didn't they already rip out large sections of the Rose Garden?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5783 on: November 25, 2020, 07:23:48 PM »
Huh.  Have we become so desensitized by Trump’s antics that no one has mentioned he pardoned Michael Flynn today?  His first National Security Advisor, who lied to the FBI and obstructed justice in an investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election...


When I went to bed the headline was "he's thinking about it." I'm not desensitized, but rather my only thought was "took him long enough." People have been predicting a Flynn pardon for a couple years.

Flynn will be in trouble again in a few years. He's a piece of work.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5784 on: November 25, 2020, 07:48:37 PM »
What, like he’ll smash a few windows in the WH?
... or get piss on a few of the beds, whatever.

. . . or pay prostitutes to pee on the beds while he watches.  Allegedly.

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« Reply #5785 on: November 25, 2020, 08:20:14 PM »
Huh.  Have we become so desensitized by Trump’s antics that no one has mentioned he pardoned Michael Flynn today?  His first National Security Advisor, who lied to the FBI and obstructed justice in an investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election...
Actually it signaled to me that he has accepted that he is on the way out and is starting the exit process.


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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5786 on: November 25, 2020, 08:28:05 PM »
Huh.  Have we become so desensitized by Trump’s antics that no one has mentioned he pardoned Michael Flynn today?  His first National Security Advisor, who lied to the FBI and obstructed justice in an investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election...


When I went to bed the headline was "he's thinking about it." I'm not desensitized, but rather my only thought was "took him long enough." People have been predicting a Flynn pardon for a couple years.

Flynn will be in trouble again in a few years. He's a piece of work.

Back when this first started with Flynn, someone commented on Twitter how much he was a brave and selfless and heroic American. GEN Hertling replied "not to anybody who knew him."

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5787 on: November 25, 2020, 11:39:01 PM »
Just what we need as Covid cases spike going in to the fall - https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/26/politics/supreme-court-religious-restrictions-ruling-covid/index.html

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In a 5-4 ruling, the Supreme Court sided with religious organizations in a dispute over Covid-19 restrictions put in place by New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo that limited attendance at religious services.
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In the late-night ruling, Barrett sided with the conservatives in the dispute, while Chief Justice John Roberts joined the three liberal justices in dissent. The ruling underscores Barrett's impact on the bench, reflecting the Court's rightward shift.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5788 on: November 26, 2020, 12:21:43 AM »
Just what we need as Covid cases spike going in to the fall - https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/26/politics/supreme-court-religious-restrictions-ruling-covid/index.html

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In a 5-4 ruling, the Supreme Court sided with religious organizations in a dispute over Covid-19 restrictions put in place by New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo that limited attendance at religious services.
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In the late-night ruling, Barrett sided with the conservatives in the dispute, while Chief Justice John Roberts joined the three liberal justices in dissent. The ruling underscores Barrett's impact on the bench, reflecting the Court's rightward shift.
No problem.  Scrap that law and allow mass religious gatherings.  Just write a new law requiring anyone who has attended any event for any reason that is in excess of X number of people must isolate for a minimum 14 days after each attendance and provide a negative Covid test taken after the 14 days before they are allowed to leave their house.  If caught violating the law it results in being held in jail on remand without bail until trial.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5789 on: November 26, 2020, 02:33:30 AM »
Just what we need as Covid cases spike going in to the fall - https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/26/politics/supreme-court-religious-restrictions-ruling-covid/index.html

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In a 5-4 ruling, the Supreme Court sided with religious organizations in a dispute over Covid-19 restrictions put in place by New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo that limited attendance at religious services.
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In the late-night ruling, Barrett sided with the conservatives in the dispute, while Chief Justice John Roberts joined the three liberal justices in dissent. The ruling underscores Barrett's impact on the bench, reflecting the Court's rightward shift.
Those taking advantage of this ruling might at least get a lesson in natural selection.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5790 on: November 26, 2020, 03:46:35 AM »
Huh.  Have we become so desensitized by Trump’s antics that no one has mentioned he pardoned Michael Flynn today?  His first National Security Advisor, who lied to the FBI and obstructed justice in an investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election...
I actually thought he already had. Like a year ago.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5791 on: November 26, 2020, 06:05:02 AM »
Would anyone here really be surprised if he burnt the White House to the ground?

Didn't they already rip out large sections of the Rose Garden?
. To defend Melania the garden was kind of dated.  And she did get guidance from a garden designer. The one disagreement was the timing; it was not ideal time to dig up and replant mature trees so they should have waited when they were dormant.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5792 on: November 26, 2020, 06:09:53 AM »
Those taking advantage of this ruling might at least get a lesson in natural selection.

I'm okay with that part. It's the rest of us (and their healthcare workers) who will get taken down with them.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5793 on: November 26, 2020, 07:01:34 AM »
I think it is all about the churches wanting the donations they are not getting without packed pews.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5794 on: November 26, 2020, 08:48:13 AM »
Would anyone here really be surprised if he burnt the White House to the ground?

Didn't they already rip out large sections of the Rose Garden?
. To defend Melania the garden was kind of dated.  And she did get guidance from a garden designer. The one disagreement was the timing; it was not ideal time to dig up and replant mature trees so they should have waited when they were dormant.
Meh. I’m indifferent about the rose garden renovation. It isn’t my style, but every “first family” puts their stamp on the 230+ year old executive mansion, and every one runs into detractors that don’t like the outcome. It has also often been the “project” of the First Lady more than the president.

Far as I am concerned Melanias revamp is one of the few times the Trumps were following a long tradition.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5795 on: November 26, 2020, 08:51:20 AM »
Would anyone here really be surprised if he burnt the White House to the ground?

Didn't they already rip out large sections of the Rose Garden?
. To defend Melania the garden was kind of dated.  And she did get guidance from a garden designer. The one disagreement was the timing; it was not ideal time to dig up and replant mature trees so they should have waited when they were dormant.
Meh. I’m indifferent about the rose garden renovation. It isn’t my style, but every “first family” puts their stamp on the 230+ year old executive mansion, and every one runs into detractors that don’t like the outcome. It has also often been the “project” of the First Lady more than the president.

Far as I am concerned Melanias revamp is one of the few times the Trumps were following a long tradition.
So does anyone have any guesses on the style of the Trumps' interior redecoration of the private parts of the White House?  Or didn't they care enough to bother if no-one could see it?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5796 on: November 26, 2020, 09:55:22 AM »
At least the Trump lawyers are on the ball, eh?

https://lawandcrime.com/awkward/jenna-ellis-shared-a-fake-teddy-roosevelt-quote-then-defended-herself-by-saying-the-ifea-is-true/ and https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/jenna-ellis-teddy-roosevelt-quote_n_5fbf035fc5b61d04bfa6d81e?ri18n=true for more beauts.

Add this one to the Four Seasons gig, Oozy Giuliani's hair dye meltdown and Borat cameo, as well as Sidney Powell's "bombshells" (oops sorry, she's now on her own crusade).

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5797 on: November 26, 2020, 09:57:59 AM »
I just saw a headline about Trump's inner circle saying his lawyers are making him look incompetent. I mean, he did that on his own, the lawyers are just giving is good fodder...

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5798 on: November 26, 2020, 12:32:36 PM »
Huh.  Have we become so desensitized by Trump’s antics that no one has mentioned he pardoned Michael Flynn today?  His first National Security Advisor, who lied to the FBI and obstructed justice in an investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election...

It's tradition for the president to pardon a turkey for Thanksgiving. 


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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5799 on: November 26, 2020, 08:14:55 PM »
At press conference he admitted he's going to have to leave in January, but he'll never concede the election. After all, he won. He won by millions of votes. All the votes. And there was so much fraud. And we're a third world country without him.