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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5450 on: November 09, 2020, 01:16:08 PM »
Gee, who could have seen this coming? I thought COVID was supposed to disappear on Nov. 4. I mean, if they don't test, no one gets sick, right? That's totally how it works.

PBS News Hour: Ben Carson tests positive for COVID-19

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WASHINGTON (AP) — It was supposed to be a scene of celebration.

Instead, the Trump campaign’s election night watch party in the White House East Room — with few masks and no social distancing — is being eyed as a potential coronavirus super-spreading event and yet another symbol of President Donald Trump’s cavalier attitude toward a virus that is ripping across the nation and infecting more than 100,000 people a day.

Ben Carson, the secretary for Housing and Urban Development, is the latest attendee to test positive, a department spokesman confirmed. The event has been under scrutiny since another attendee, the president’s chief of staff, Mark Meadows, contracted the virus, which has now killed more than 237,000 people in the U.S. alone.

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The White House has repeatedly refused to say who else has tested positive, even as the virus continues to spread. The latest White House cluster, coming just a month after Trump’s own diagnosis and hospitalization, includes a top Trump campaign official as well as a handful of undisclosed White House staff, officials said.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5451 on: November 09, 2020, 01:18:20 PM »
So his lawyers are about as competent as expected.

I’m disappointed the judge “regrets” to inform Trump his case is being thrown out.

Why should she feel obligated to express any regret at all? Politeness? Legal niceties?

Business language.

Seen enough of those in my life. We regret to inform you your [job] application has been unsuccessful...


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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5453 on: November 09, 2020, 02:01:19 PM »
New Outrage:

Sec. of Defense Mark Esper was just fired, via tweet (Trump's favorite medium).

In what world is it acceptable to be fired via public tweet?  Only Trump-world.

Jesus. Whoever he appoints will be completely loyal. He might be starting the scorched earth.

Esper was acting (non confirmed).  He replaced Shanahan, who was also acting.  Before him, he had Mattis (whom he also fired), and he inherited Carter, whom he replaced (fired... though that's hardly unusual with a new administration).

Four Sec of Defense in four years - soon to be five.

I'm guessing Gina Haspel will get the ax this week today.  Maybe Deborah Birx as well.  He'd like to fire Fauci, biut as I understand it he can't (at least not directly).

Might fire the bald eagle and Uncle Sam while he's at it.

I cannot blame you for forgetting this happened, but Esper was Senate confirmed:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/senate-votes-to-confirm-mark-esper-as-defense-secretary/2019/07/23/694b18a0-acb4-11e9-a0c9-6d2d7818f3da_story.html

So he was.  Hard to keep track with all the 'acting' heads under Trump.

Regardless, no one deserves to be fired publicly via tweet.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5454 on: November 09, 2020, 02:09:27 PM »
The Trump Campaign set up a "Donald Trump War Room Election Fraud Hotline" for people to report voter fraud.

...it's been overrun by prank callers and TikTok influencers.  Reminds me of when Trump's rally "sold over a hundred-thousand tickets" yet only 6k showed up... all driven by a TikTok campaign.

In case anyone wants to know, here's the number:
(800) 895-4152

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5455 on: November 09, 2020, 02:10:59 PM »
The Trump Campaign set up a "Donald Trump War Room Election Fraud Hotline" for people to report voter fraud.

...it's been overrun by prank callers and TikTok influencers.  Reminds me of when Trump's rally "sold over a hundred-thousand tickets" yet only 6k showed up... all driven by a TikTok campaign.

In case anyone wants to know, here's the number:
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5456 on: November 09, 2020, 02:11:21 PM »
How long before there are active-duty troops in Portland and Philly? Posse Comitatus still applies but will it matter?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5457 on: November 09, 2020, 02:18:47 PM »
The Trump Campaign set up a "Donald Trump War Room Election Fraud Hotline" for people to report voter fraud.

...it's been overrun by prank callers and TikTok influencers.  Reminds me of when Trump's rally "sold over a hundred-thousand tickets" yet only 6k showed up... all driven by a TikTok campaign.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5458 on: November 09, 2020, 02:35:54 PM »
The Trump Campaign set up a "Donald Trump War Room Election Fraud Hotline" for people to report voter fraud.

...it's been overrun by prank callers and TikTok influencers.  Reminds me of when Trump's rally "sold over a hundred-thousand tickets" yet only 6k showed up... all driven by a TikTok campaign.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5459 on: November 09, 2020, 02:44:38 PM »
How long before there are active-duty troops in Portland and Philly? Posse Comitatus still applies but will it matter?

I doubt it. I think he knows he's got nothing to lose and is keeping up the ruse long enough to fleece his supporters to pay his own debts. He's angry, embarrassed, and unhinged, and now surrounded by Yes men, including the sitting Senate. Things could get very ugly for a while.

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« Reply #5460 on: November 09, 2020, 02:45:47 PM »
I've been cautiously pleased at the lack of violence related to the election SO FAR, but I think if Trump starts holding rallies again, things could potentially go south in a big hurry. 

Here are some examples of the type of comment sprouting up among his base supporters (in this case, from RedState.com) in the past couple of days, as Trump's attempts to bring lawsuits start to be dismissed:

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oldairman2000 • 3 hours ago

I think you hit the nail on the head. For months the opposition has telegraphed their intent. And it was in your face all the way. This election was the line in sand. And if we don't nip this in the bud now, we become the derided 'banana republic' of the many political cartoons l have read in my lifetime. The shear dangerousness of letting this stand by the institutions of our state, which the Founders designed to check usurpation of power, portends a bleak future for our republic. However, I am sad to say; I don't think the people in the Supreme Court, or the Republican dominated legislatures across the country have the strength of character to do the job that is necessary to nip this usurpation in the bud. It will probably take the spilling of blood some day to right course this republic is taking. And it will be ugly.


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Chuck M Lowe • 3 hours ago

Excelent article.

let me just say, out loud, what many here are saying, without actually coming out and saying it.

I WANT TO KILL THESE PEOPLE AND I WILL HAVE NO TROUBLE PULLING THE TRIGGER AND RISKING MY LIFE TO DO IT. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.


    zman37 Chuck M Lowe • 13 minutes ago • edited

    Dude... you need to exercise a wee bit more discreetness and savvy.

    littlehouse18 Chuck M Lowe • 21 minutes ago

    Chuck, respectfully, please re-examine what you are saying publicly. You might want modify it.

csg40 Chuck M Lowe • 3 hours ago

I believe they want you to respond with violence and then Joe will send out the national guard and declare Marshall Law because he doesn't have any compunction about NOT following the law. If they let looting, murder, and destruction go on without stopping it, they have a plan for all out revolution. This is right out of the Marxist playbook.

    CurtTX53 csg40 • 2 hours ago

    But, will that help to wake the rest, our bodies laid out on the mall, the water red with our blood, will that do IT ? Or, will they just choose to not cover it. Whatever it is, it needs to be akin to the “shot heard around the world” ! Our call to action needs to be heard everywhere, world wide, not just heard while wandering here in RS, or in the wilderness.

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Garciaszoo • 12 hours ago

Many many Patriots are ready but how to communicate, coordinate? I feel we should give the president into this coming week. I definitely see that Trump has the desire and ability to rain down enough legal hell to at least make sure the legal votes are counted. Past this timeframe, without some kind of definite positive communication from the president I'm not sure America can wait much longer before giving up/being absorbed into the evil. Many of us would rather die than cave but maybe many more will just give up. We don't have the luxury of time.

colonelflagg • 13 hours ago

Starting to run out of available boxes. If "ballot" is gone we only have the hard choice left.

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   riderdan • 13 hours ago

This article is spot on.

The question I keep repeatedly asking though is: what are we going to do about it? Are we going to trade two years of peace in our time for the death of the republic, or are we going to actually do something. And what might that something be?

One problem is that the citizenry is (possibly) willing to stand up against this blatant theft, but they need a rallying point. I'd be happy to drive to DC (or one of the places where this theft occurred) and stand in solidarity with Trump and Trump supporters. I'd (likely) be willing to show up with the appropriate implements to make our point as sharply as necessary. Indeed, I think it's likely that I'd be illing to put my body between my beloved home and the left's desolation. After all, I'm one of those who wrote a blank check to Uncle Sam for any amount, up to and including my life... though I was younger and more foolish then.

But one guy on the National Mall (or in Pennsylvania or wherever) isn't going to make any difference at all.

My hope is that President Trump is allowing the legal options to play out before calling for the armed citizenry to stand up against tyranny. Because he seems to be the only one with the stature to rally actual Americans to the cause of freedom.


    EARNIT riderdan • 12 hours ago

    enjoyed your post riderdan and my sentiments exactly...what are we going to do about it? Let’s hope the legal options expose to the nation the insurrection taking place before our very eyes. Otherwise...things will get ugly.

    CurtTX53 EARNIT • 3 hours ago

    “Otherwise...things will get ugly”

    To all things there is a season, it is the ugly season, no doubt. Before the Dark Winter sets in, after all Joe, told us a Dark Winter is coming. But before we do the count and finish it, then expose the frauds, get the attorneys to do there jobs and then, if need be...

    We go to those like riverdan and you, and on to the rally point, to be determined and to be announced. By the way, my vehicle is old and won’t make it, but I’m a good navigator and I can still shoot, but I cannot run, duck and roll, I do a pretty good, brief run, duck, drop and splat, as long as nothing breaks still good to go. So please count me in, do not leave me hanging on.
   

joeyf55 riderdan • 13 hours ago

I'm in. My health ain't great but I'm locked and loaded. Tell me where and when.



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Last night there was also a comment (which must have been prudently removed since) listing several kinds of ammo, and noting how pretty the lamp-posts, bridges, and overpasses would look with 'new decorations' hanging from them.

I'm a little concerned, depending on what Trump does in the next month.

I think it is funny that one of the guys are worried that US will become the derided banans republic. I would say many outside of US think you have lived the last 4 years in a banana republic.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5461 on: November 09, 2020, 03:07:53 PM »
So his lawyers are about as competent as expected.

I’m disappointed the judge “regrets” to inform Trump his case is being thrown out.

Why should she feel obligated to express any regret at all? Politeness? Legal niceties?

Business language.

Seen enough of those in my life. We regret to inform you your [job] application has been unsuccessful...

It's marginally nicer than the old "We are thrilled to inform you that your job application has been unsuccessful!"


I seem to recall getting some of those in my past.  Probably after having walked uphill (both ways) to get the interview.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5462 on: November 09, 2020, 03:20:06 PM »
What is even worse is going to a job interview twice and not ever hearing from them again. What a slap in the face. Not even a one liner saying thanks for your time, but we have hired another person. Best wishes for your future. Is that so hard?

The Hub went for a second interview and when he got there, was told the guy who was to interview him, (owner of the company), was out on his boat!  Needless to say the Hub's head exploded! He took time off from work for the interview! People suck!

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5463 on: November 09, 2020, 03:50:46 PM »
As part of a hiring process recently, my hubs disclosed his medical marijuana use. He was told repeatedly, during multiple interviews, that his it would not be problematic at all. They gave him a job offer, had him come in and fill out all the new-hire paperwork, and take a drug test ("Oh, it's just a formality, it doesn't mean anything."). Then they rescinded the offer because he tested positive for marijuana use. I was livid, but he was just, "Eh, they wasted their own money."


Back on the topic-ish: I'm not sure if I'd trust a COVID vaccine that has been fast tracked with less rigorous testing and trials than vaccines usually get. Especially knowing that even doctors seem less-than-confident in its efficacy and/or safety. I would be surprised if a large chunk of the population didn't have a similar stance. And imagine what would happen if it is less effective than advertised or have to recall it--anti-vaxxers would have a field day.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5464 on: November 09, 2020, 03:56:08 PM »
What is even worse is going to a job interview twice and not ever hearing from them again. What a slap in the face. Not even a one liner saying thanks for your time, but we have hired another person. Best wishes for your future. Is that so hard?

The Hub went for a second interview and when he got there, was told the guy who was to interview him, (owner of the company), was out on his boat!  Needless to say the Hub's head exploded! He took time off from work for the interview! People suck!

Yeah, I have gone through  that.
Two rounds of interviews and a full presentation, followed by a “we will let you know”. Months later the system still says “application open” but I know they are training their new hire.

Half the jobs I applied for never bothered to even me I had not been selected. About a quarter never even acknowledged I had applied.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5465 on: November 09, 2020, 05:11:00 PM »
What is even worse is going to a job interview twice and not ever hearing from them again. What a slap in the face. Not even a one liner saying thanks for your time, but we have hired another person. Best wishes for your future. Is that so hard?

The Hub went for a second interview and when he got there, was told the guy who was to interview him, (owner of the company), was out on his boat!  Needless to say the Hub's head exploded! He took time off from work for the interview! People suck!

Yep. A few years ago, I flew out to San Diego at 5:30 am Detroit time for a second job interview (first one was by phone). Fortunately the flight was on their dime because there were no visible clocks in the building, they kept me waiting so long that I missed my shuttle back to the airport, and I had to track down and pay for a cab out of my own pocket. I only made my flight back because of an airport delay. And of course, they never called me or responded to my inquiry whether the position had been filled. Fuck 'em.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5466 on: November 09, 2020, 06:06:05 PM »
How do you all think this transition is going to pan out. Trump seems to be unhinged, more than normal. Will he have any success fighting this election in the courts. It seems like a witch hunt and there is nothing to find. I wish Biden could kick Trump to the curb and start working. I am thrilled with how he is already putting together a team to battle the Corona Virus! This is what should have been done way back in the beginning of the year!
I think his Republican allies are all going to abandon him. Even a partisan Supreme Court isn't going to overturn the results of a democratic election without a valid reason, which there doesn't seem to be.

After that...I'm not sure. The best case scenario is that he just spends all his time golfing, and does the bare minimum of Presidential business (including signing a new CR to fund the government - the current one expires in December).
At this point, while I do worry about what Trump will try to do in the next two months, I am more worried about what other nations will try and squeeze through. Those who were into election interference will continue to benefit from *anything* that casts doubt on the credibility of the 2020 election. Internal disunity is their goal. Also, this is a narrow window of opportunity for China to exert more overt control in the South China Sea and Hong Kong while Trump will be "low energy" and Americans are distracted. Same goes for the Taliban (whom apparently we are now allies with against ISIS), Russia in Ukraine, etc, etc. The list is long and we will likely have more of a leadership vacuum than normal. Mike Pompeo doesn't really feel like he's going to be a check on those things in any meaningful way unless it impacts economic concerns (as he has pretty much explicitly stated in the past).

My biggest worry for the next 10 weeks?  The virus.

We're in an exponential growth phase in at least 19 different states. Trump has shown no signs that he's taking it seriously - and his flurry of rallies may well be super-spreader events. It seems likely we'll hit 200k cases/day by the end of this week and 2k deaths/day.  With his defiant supporters (91% of those polled who said the virus was "completely" or "mostly" under control voted for him), no coordinated federal response and quarantine fatigue, December could be the worst month of this pandemic by far.

Nero played his fiddle as Rome burned - Trump seems resigned to let this virus rage while he plays golf.

In the counties where Trump had his highest voting success they also have the highest COVID infection rates. Those locales seem to be enthusiastic about both.

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« Reply #5467 on: November 10, 2020, 04:10:20 AM »
So his lawyers are about as competent as expected.

I’m disappointed the judge “regrets” to inform Trump his case is being thrown out.

Why should she feel obligated to express any regret at all? Politeness? Legal niceties?

Business language.
The judge regrets the time wasted.

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I'm not sure if I'd trust a COVID vaccine that has been fast tracked with less rigorous testing and trials than vaccines usually get. Especially knowing that even doctors seem less-than-confident in its efficacy and/or safety.

Of course it's a bit riskier than normal procedure, but we don't habe 5 year's time.
An dif you talk about that only 60% of doctors and 40% of nurses would want to get it - I would wager this number is because the rest already have gotten the real thing and don't need the vaccine.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5468 on: November 10, 2020, 12:00:02 PM »
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, when asked if the state department is preparing to coordinate with the Biden transition team, responded: “There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration”.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/11/10/biden-trump-in-transition-standoff-live-news

https://twitter.com/andrewrsorkin/status/1326231714994278400?fbclid=IwAR3VQ34oesx2jGX4MzJuB1qfnfkph061eElGzmLCvE644q3w82bPVFxLWug

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« Reply #5469 on: November 10, 2020, 12:00:56 PM »
Things like this scare me. The GOP seems to have largely drunk the kool aid and ready to approve a second Trump term regardless of the votes cast. The quote from below is from this afternoon. Barr is also setting the stage for pre-certification investigations of Trump's fraud claims... which has resulted in the resignation of the head of the election crimes unit.

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WASHINGTON — Secretary of State Mike Pompeo just became the latest high-ranking Republican official to insist, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, that President Trump didn’t actually lose the 2020 election.

“There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration,” Pompeo said in  a briefing on Tuesday.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgq8nd/mike-pompeo-american-secretary-of-state-said-there-will-be-a-smooth-transition-to-a-trump-second-term

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« Reply #5470 on: November 10, 2020, 12:16:34 PM »
Call it what it is - they are attempting a coup. Unsurprising given they've been saying this for months and months.

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« Reply #5471 on: November 10, 2020, 12:17:48 PM »
So this may qualify as the Trump outrage of the last four years.  How many families are similar.  I know ours has been impacted as I argue with my brother and my parents.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/opinions/trump-tore-my-family-apart-eldredge/index.html

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« Reply #5472 on: November 10, 2020, 12:28:00 PM »
My mother who is 77, is happy with the election results, but also remarked that Trump's words and actions (not conceding, not congratulating the winner) is unheard of in recent times. But she said, you know what he doesn't have to concede, it's a nicety and regardless, he will still need to leave come January. Again anything other than trump departing and Biden being inaugurated (barring some incredible new information) is let's just say highly abnormal. I  find the statements that Barr is making, dangerous and harmful to our election process, that Trump and his team will only accept the results of election if they are in his favor. That's not democracy.  That's a coup.
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« Reply #5473 on: November 10, 2020, 12:31:11 PM »
The Trump administration isn't trying to do anything legal really. They are attempting to stage a coup, and all these frivolous lawsuits are just a side show. I think it will fail (call me an optimist), but that's what they are doing.

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« Reply #5474 on: November 10, 2020, 12:45:21 PM »
The Trump administration isn't trying to do anything legal really. They are attempting to stage a coup, and all these frivolous lawsuits are just a side show. I think it will fail (call me an optimist), but that's what they are doing.

It's like the worst whack-a-mole game ever.

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« Reply #5475 on: November 10, 2020, 01:13:37 PM »
Mike Pence going on vacation.

I cannot blame him for wanting to be...not around...but it's not like there isn't work for the Senate or for his Coronavirus task force.

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« Reply #5476 on: November 10, 2020, 01:19:20 PM »
Mike Pence going on vacation.

I cannot blame him for wanting to be...not around...but it's not like there isn't work for the Senate or for his Coronavirus task force.

Why start working on it now, after he has lost the job?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5477 on: November 10, 2020, 01:35:04 PM »
The Trump administration isn't trying to do anything legal really. They are attempting to stage a coup, and all these frivolous lawsuits are just a side show. I think it will fail (call me an optimist), but that's what they are doing.

I am also trying to figure out how concerned I should be about Trump somehow staying in office after January 20th (10-20% chance?  I mean, we're a democracy, he LOST the election, and it should be 0%.).  I'm not thrilled about what Barr, Pompeo, Lindsey Graham and assorted other congressional Republicans are doing and saying right now.  Plus other attempts to block the transition from happening.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5478 on: November 10, 2020, 01:41:55 PM »
The Trump administration isn't trying to do anything legal really. They are attempting to stage a coup, and all these frivolous lawsuits are just a side show. I think it will fail (call me an optimist), but that's what they are doing.

I am also trying to figure out how concerned I should be about Trump somehow staying in office after January 20th (10-20% chance?  I mean, we're a democracy, he LOST the election, and it should be 0%.).  I'm not thrilled about what Barr, Pompeo, Lindsey Graham and assorted other congressional Republicans are doing and saying right now.  Plus other attempts to block the transition from happening.

0%, your concern should be 0%. Ignore the loudmouth traitorous liars and conspiracy theorists. There is nothing they can do to say in power after having lost the election. They are simply trying to whip their base into a froth so that they'll continue to listen to them after Biden becomes president. I have no doubt that that will work, but Biden will still become president.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5479 on: November 10, 2020, 01:58:18 PM »
Things like this scare me. The GOP seems to have largely drunk the kool aid and ready to approve a second Trump term regardless of the votes cast. The quote from below is from this afternoon. Barr is also setting the stage for pre-certification investigations of Trump's fraud claims... which has resulted in the resignation of the head of the election crimes unit.

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WASHINGTON — Secretary of State Mike Pompeo just became the latest high-ranking Republican official to insist, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, that President Trump didn’t actually lose the 2020 election.

“There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration,” Pompeo said in  a briefing on Tuesday.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgq8nd/mike-pompeo-american-secretary-of-state-said-there-will-be-a-smooth-transition-to-a-trump-second-term

It's not as bad if you listen to Barr's full answer. Given the context it's a poor joke but he does go on answer the question in an expected, non-coup-like, manner.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5480 on: November 10, 2020, 02:02:34 PM »



I am also trying to figure out how concerned I should be about Trump somehow staying in office after January 20th (10-20% chance?  I mean, we're a democracy, he LOST the election, and it should be 0%.). 


You shouldn't  be concerned at all:  Trump has no legal, presidential,  or constitutional power to stay in office after 12 noon on Inauguration Day 2021.

Many have  worried out loud that Trump won't accept his defeat and will obstruct a peaceful transition of power.

 I assure all the worriers that  no phalanx of factotums from the USSS, FBI, or DOJ will be standing by  to abet Trump should he refuse to vacate the White House on Inauguration Day 2021.

« Last Edit: November 10, 2020, 02:06:35 PM by John Galt incarnate! »

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5481 on: November 10, 2020, 02:17:37 PM »
Things like this scare me. The GOP seems to have largely drunk the kool aid and ready to approve a second Trump term regardless of the votes cast. The quote from below is from this afternoon. Barr is also setting the stage for pre-certification investigations of Trump's fraud claims... which has resulted in the resignation of the head of the election crimes unit.

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WASHINGTON — Secretary of State Mike Pompeo just became the latest high-ranking Republican official to insist, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, that President Trump didn’t actually lose the 2020 election.

“There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration,” Pompeo said in  a briefing on Tuesday.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgq8nd/mike-pompeo-american-secretary-of-state-said-there-will-be-a-smooth-transition-to-a-trump-second-term

It's not as bad if you listen to Barr's full answer. Given the context it's a poor joke but he does go on answer the question in an expected, non-coup-like, manner.

Do you have a link? I’d like to listen to the full clip

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5482 on: November 10, 2020, 02:21:48 PM »



I am also trying to figure out how concerned I should be about Trump somehow staying in office after January 20th (10-20% chance?  I mean, we're a democracy, he LOST the election, and it should be 0%.). 


You shouldn't  be concerned at all:  Trump has no legal, presidential,  or constitutional power to stay in office after 12 noon on Inauguration Day 2021.

Many have  worried out loud that Trump won't accept his defeat and will obstruct a peaceful transition of power.

 I assure all the worriers that  no phalanx of factotums from the USSS, FBI, or DOJ will be standing by  to abet Trump should he refuse to vacate the White House on Inauguration Day 2021.

The constant barrage of GOP politicians not shutting this shit down legitimizes the concept of fraud it in the eyes of Trump supporters.  That is a problem.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5483 on: November 10, 2020, 02:23:33 PM »
Things like this scare me. The GOP seems to have largely drunk the kool aid and ready to approve a second Trump term regardless of the votes cast. The quote from below is from this afternoon. Barr is also setting the stage for pre-certification investigations of Trump's fraud claims... which has resulted in the resignation of the head of the election crimes unit.

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WASHINGTON — Secretary of State Mike Pompeo just became the latest high-ranking Republican official to insist, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, that President Trump didn’t actually lose the 2020 election.

“There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration,” Pompeo said in  a briefing on Tuesday.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgq8nd/mike-pompeo-american-secretary-of-state-said-there-will-be-a-smooth-transition-to-a-trump-second-term

It's not as bad if you listen to Barr's full answer. Given the context it's a poor joke but he does go on answer the question in an expected, non-coup-like, manner.

We were talking about Pompeo, not Barr, and when asked about how this affects his job (presenting democracy to the rest of the world) he said the very question was ridiculous.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5484 on: November 10, 2020, 02:24:56 PM »
Do you have a link? I’d like to listen to the full clip

Here's the article from The Hill which includes a video:

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"There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration," Pompeo replied.

“We're ready,” Pompeo continued. “The world is watching what's taking place. We're gonna count all the votes. When the process is complete, there'll be electors selected. There's a process. The Constitution lays it out pretty clearly. The world should have every confidence that the transition necessary to make sure that the State Department is functional today ... and successful with a president who's in office on Jan. 20, a minute after noon, will also be successful.”

Pompeo appeared to smirk after delivering the line about a "second Trump administration," though it was unclear from his remarks themselves whether he was joking. The State Department did not immediately respond to an inquiry about his comments.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5485 on: November 10, 2020, 02:42:04 PM »
Thank you!

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5486 on: November 10, 2020, 02:42:49 PM »
Things like this scare me. The GOP seems to have largely drunk the kool aid and ready to approve a second Trump term regardless of the votes cast. The quote from below is from this afternoon. Barr is also setting the stage for pre-certification investigations of Trump's fraud claims... which has resulted in the resignation of the head of the election crimes unit.

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WASHINGTON — Secretary of State Mike Pompeo just became the latest high-ranking Republican official to insist, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, that President Trump didn’t actually lose the 2020 election.

“There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration,” Pompeo said in  a briefing on Tuesday.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgq8nd/mike-pompeo-american-secretary-of-state-said-there-will-be-a-smooth-transition-to-a-trump-second-term

It's not as bad if you listen to Barr's full answer. Given the context it's a poor joke but he does go on answer the question in an expected, non-coup-like, manner.

We were talking about Pompeo, not Barr, and when asked about how this affects his job (presenting democracy to the rest of the world) he said the very question was ridiculous.

Pompeo, sorry.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5487 on: November 10, 2020, 02:54:57 PM »



I am also trying to figure out how concerned I should be about Trump somehow staying in office after January 20th (10-20% chance?  I mean, we're a democracy, he LOST the election, and it should be 0%.). 


You shouldn't  be concerned at all:  Trump has no legal, presidential,  or constitutional power to stay in office after 12 noon on Inauguration Day 2021.

Many have  worried out loud that Trump won't accept his defeat and will obstruct a peaceful transition of power.

 I assure all the worriers that  no phalanx of factotums from the USSS, FBI, or DOJ will be standing by  to abet Trump should he refuse to vacate the White House on Inauguration Day 2021.

I hear you, and I think we all understand that he has no legal right to stay, but it's been 4 years of him constantly breaking the law with no repercussions.  We are on page 110 of a thread titled "Trump outrage of the day".  Many of those outrages were him flagrantly breaking the law. 

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5488 on: November 10, 2020, 03:17:05 PM »
This is on the Washington Post:

White House tells federal agencies to proceed with plans for Trump’s February budget in latest sign of election defiance
The new directive for agencies to prepare their budget plans is the latest sign that aides are acting as if President Trump plans to try to remain in office even after his term expires.
By Jeff Stein, Erica Werner and Josh Dawsey1 hour ago


I can't read the article because I don't have a subscription but OMG, Trump is just going to be a squatter in the WH? What on earth is going to happen to get rid of this guy?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5489 on: November 10, 2020, 03:21:59 PM »



I am also trying to figure out how concerned I should be about Trump somehow staying in office after January 20th (10-20% chance?  I mean, we're a democracy, he LOST the election, and it should be 0%.). 


You shouldn't  be concerned at all:  Trump has no legal, presidential,  or constitutional power to stay in office after 12 noon on Inauguration Day 2021.

Many have  worried out loud that Trump won't accept his defeat and will obstruct a peaceful transition of power.

 I assure all the worriers that  no phalanx of factotums from the USSS, FBI, or DOJ will be standing by  to abet Trump should he refuse to vacate the White House on Inauguration Day 2021.

I hope that you are right. However:

1. Thus far he has not accepted defeat and is actively working to change the outcome through what appear to be frivolous lawsuits. Some have hypothesized that the purpose of these lawsuits is not to win them, but to tie up the results until the electoral college meets and  a window for legislatures to make decisions opens (or the specter of faithless electors). TBD.
2. In conjunction with the above, the GSA has prevented Biden from beginning the transition process.
3. Barr, aka the head of the DOJ, has fallen in line with supporting Trump's conspiracy theories. Again, a diligent investigation is unlikely to change the outcome of the voting, but the (likely quite public and heavily tweeted) investigations would create enough smoke for the base to believe there is fire (not to be confused with FIRE).

Nothing about Trump has indicated that his baseline is respect for law. I hope that what we are seeing amounts to a really ugly temper tantrum that will fade out without consequence. However, it is worth watching this carefully and not relying on Trump's good will and respect for the law to prevail.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5490 on: November 10, 2020, 03:32:29 PM »



I am also trying to figure out how concerned I should be about Trump somehow staying in office after January 20th (10-20% chance?  I mean, we're a democracy, he LOST the election, and it should be 0%.). 


You shouldn't  be concerned at all:  Trump has no legal, presidential,  or constitutional power to stay in office after 12 noon on Inauguration Day 2021.

Many have  worried out loud that Trump won't accept his defeat and will obstruct a peaceful transition of power.

 I assure all the worriers that  no phalanx of factotums from the USSS, FBI, or DOJ will be standing by  to abet Trump should he refuse to vacate the White House on Inauguration Day 2021.

I hope that you are right. However:

1. Thus far he has not accepted defeat and is actively working to change the outcome through what appear to be frivolous lawsuits. Some have hypothesized that the purpose of these lawsuits is not to win them, but to tie up the results until the electoral college meets and  a window for legislatures to make decisions opens (or the specter of faithless electors). TBD.
2. In conjunction with the above, the GSA has prevented Biden from beginning the transition process.
3. Barr, aka the head of the DOJ, has fallen in line with supporting Trump's conspiracy theories. Again, a diligent investigation is unlikely to change the outcome of the voting, but the (likely quite public and heavily tweeted) investigations would create enough smoke for the base to believe there is fire (not to be confused with FIRE).

Nothing about Trump has indicated that his baseline is respect for law. I hope that what we are seeing amounts to a really ugly temper tantrum that will fade out without consequence. However, it is worth watching this carefully and not relying on Trump's good will and respect for the law to prevail.

Don't forget that Biden is not receiving the president's daily national security briefings, as he should be.

Trump is having a temper tantrum. The people who are enabling him and refusing to aid in the transition process are putting our nation in an unstable position, and even in existential danger.

This is nothing to take lightly, or pretend it isn't serious.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5491 on: November 10, 2020, 03:55:30 PM »
Don't forget that Biden is not receiving the president's daily national security briefings, as he should be.

What is the risk here?  Since Biden isn't taking off for a few weeks, does this create more of a learning curve on new/emerging issues, or something more serious?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5492 on: November 10, 2020, 04:05:12 PM »
Don't forget that Biden is not receiving the president's daily national security briefings, as he should be.

What is the risk here?  Since Biden isn't taking off for a few weeks, does this create more of a learning curve on new/emerging issues, or something more serious?

Yes, basically. For example see the Raid on Yakla eight days after Trump took office. That wasn't planned and executed solely in his presidency, the military would have been weighing its options and doing reconnaissance and whatnot for a while, so I'm sure these discussions were part of Trump's transitional national security briefings.

If he hadn't known about it beforehand then there's no way with all the chaos of assuming office that he'd have been informed enough to make a decision, and opportunities may be lost. Which may have actually been a good thing in this particular case given that the raid didn't go well, but the point still stands regardless.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5493 on: November 10, 2020, 04:27:02 PM »
Don't forget that Biden is not receiving the president's daily national security briefings, as he should be.

What is the risk here?  Since Biden isn't taking off for a few weeks, does this create more of a learning curve on new/emerging issues, or something more serious?

Obama and Bush are getting the briefings (as do all former Presidents), and Biden seems to have a pretty good relationship with both.  I'm not going to stay up at night worrying too much about this one, although it is incredibly petty and childish.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5494 on: November 10, 2020, 04:31:30 PM »
Don't forget that Biden is not receiving the president's daily national security briefings, as he should be.

What is the risk here?  Since Biden isn't taking off for a few weeks, does this create more of a learning curve on new/emerging issues, or something more serious?

Obama and Bush are getting the briefings (as do all former Presidents), and Biden seems to have a pretty good relationship with both.  I'm not going to stay up at night worrying too much about this one, although it is incredibly petty and childish.

Past Presidents get briefings?  Huh?  Why?


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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5495 on: November 10, 2020, 04:51:44 PM »
Don't forget that Biden is not receiving the president's daily national security briefings, as he should be.

What is the risk here?  Since Biden isn't taking off for a few weeks, does this create more of a learning curve on new/emerging issues, or something more serious?

Obama and Bush are getting the briefings (as do all former Presidents), and Biden seems to have a pretty good relationship with both.  I'm not going to stay up at night worrying too much about this one, although it is incredibly petty and childish.

Past Presidents get briefings?  Huh?  Why?

They've been privy to all our government's secrets (and created some of their own) and remain important political targets.

It makes sense to keep them briefed - otherwise they could be exploited with severe consequences.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5496 on: November 10, 2020, 05:16:50 PM »
Don't forget that Biden is not receiving the president's daily national security briefings, as he should be.

What is the risk here?  Since Biden isn't taking off for a few weeks, does this create more of a learning curve on new/emerging issues, or something more serious?

Obama and Bush are getting the briefings (as do all former Presidents), and Biden seems to have a pretty good relationship with both.  I'm not going to stay up at night worrying too much about this one, although it is incredibly petty and childish.

Past Presidents get briefings?  Huh?  Why?

Because they all have experience being president and can potentially offer invaluable wisdom and insight. 

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5497 on: November 10, 2020, 05:27:50 PM »



I am also trying to figure out how concerned I should be about Trump somehow staying in office after January 20th (10-20% chance?  I mean, we're a democracy, he LOST the election, and it should be 0%.). 


You shouldn't  be concerned at all:  Trump has no legal, presidential,  or constitutional power to stay in office after 12 noon on Inauguration Day 2021.

Many have  worried out loud that Trump won't accept his defeat and will obstruct a peaceful transition of power.

 I assure all the worriers that  no phalanx of factotums from the USSS, FBI, or DOJ will be standing by  to abet Trump should he refuse to vacate the White House on Inauguration Day 2021.

I hope that you are right. However:

1. Thus far he has not accepted defeat and is actively working to change the outcome through what appear to be frivolous lawsuits. Some have hypothesized that the purpose of these lawsuits is not to win them, but to tie up the results until the electoral college meets and  a window for legislatures to make decisions opens (or the specter of faithless electors). TBD.
2. In conjunction with the above, the GSA has prevented Biden from beginning the transition process.
3. Barr, aka the head of the DOJ, has fallen in line with supporting Trump's conspiracy theories. Again, a diligent investigation is unlikely to change the outcome of the voting, but the (likely quite public and heavily tweeted) investigations would create enough smoke for the base to believe there is fire (not to be confused with FIRE).

Nothing about Trump has indicated that his baseline is respect for law. I hope that what we are seeing amounts to a really ugly temper tantrum that will fade out without consequence. However, it is worth watching this carefully and not relying on Trump's good will and respect for the law to prevail.

I think this is a good take. If he thinks he can remain in office despite losing the election, he will act on that conclusion. This strikes me as one of the most perilous times in U.S. history since Watergate, or perhaps the Cuban Missile Crisis. We have an Executive that is determined to undermine respect for the rule of law and the Constitutional order.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5498 on: November 10, 2020, 05:49:16 PM »
Former presidents only get occasional briefings, like before they go on foreign travel. And it's a courtesy, not a requirement (which probably means Obama isn't getting them, unless someone has seen otherwise).

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/10/933374321/biden-should-be-getting-top-level-intelligence-briefings-but-he-isnt

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5499 on: November 10, 2020, 06:01:44 PM »
Former presidents only get occasional briefings, like before they go on foreign travel. And it's a courtesy, not a requirement (which probably means Obama isn't getting them, unless someone has seen otherwise).

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/10/933374321/biden-should-be-getting-top-level-intelligence-briefings-but-he-isnt

I wondered because former Canadian Prime Ministers tend to go off and do other things.  I suppose they might get a briefing if necessary, but it isn't common practice.