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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5250 on: November 04, 2020, 05:48:44 PM »
Wait was Picard on ds9? I remember he was being tortured and with the lights question, maybe by cardassians?

He was in the pilot episode of DS9.

Picard's torture was also a 1984 reference as the Cardassian's plan was to convince him to believe an obvious lie to break him down. The writers also dug through Amnesty International records to reenact actual torture.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5251 on: November 04, 2020, 05:50:35 PM »
gotcha. I think all females remember the Picard torture scene.

Is it weird that I read that in a Ferengi accent because of the word “female”?

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« Reply #5252 on: November 04, 2020, 06:49:42 PM »
This is a great quote about some of the Republican lawsuits so far:

https://www.propublica.org/article/if-trump-tries-to-sue-his-way-to-election-victory-heres-what-happens

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“A lawsuit without provable facts showing a statutory or constitutional violation is just a tweet with a filing fee,” said Justin Levitt, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5253 on: November 04, 2020, 07:03:27 PM »
This is a great quote about some of the Republican lawsuits so far:

https://www.propublica.org/article/if-trump-tries-to-sue-his-way-to-election-victory-heres-what-happens

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“A lawsuit without provable facts showing a statutory or constitutional violation is just a tweet with a filing fee,” said Justin Levitt, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles.

Love it!

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5254 on: November 05, 2020, 03:43:35 AM »
This is a great quote about some of the Republican lawsuits so far:

https://www.propublica.org/article/if-trump-tries-to-sue-his-way-to-election-victory-heres-what-happens

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“A lawsuit without provable facts showing a statutory or constitutional violation is just a tweet with a filing fee,” said Justin Levitt, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles.
Not so cut and dried when you have bought and paid for the judges who will decide.

Will they remain bought and paid for?  Or will they baulk at such a blatantly partisan action as even deciding to hear the case?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5255 on: November 05, 2020, 05:36:06 AM »
This is a great quote about some of the Republican lawsuits so far:

https://www.propublica.org/article/if-trump-tries-to-sue-his-way-to-election-victory-heres-what-happens

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“A lawsuit without provable facts showing a statutory or constitutional violation is just a tweet with a filing fee,” said Justin Levitt, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles.
Not so cut and dried when you have bought and paid for the judges who will decide.

Will they remain bought and paid for?  Or will they baulk at such a blatantly partisan action as even deciding to hear the case?

It will depend on whether the judge simply played along just enough to get the appointment or whether they are a card-carrying Trump cult followers. The former will care too much about their own reputation to waste the court's time on a case without valid evidence.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5256 on: November 05, 2020, 06:11:01 AM »
If Trump wins I'm going to scrub my political facebook posts. I'm a federal employee and who knows how deep the political purge will go. Many talented and dedicated people in government are already gone due to lack of "loyalty" to trump. I think if he wins, people will need to hide their political affiliations to keep their career.

Unfortunately, I suspect that it's already too late.  I'd be very surprised if detailed records of the personal communications of every US government employee are not already kept on file.
And Trump cronies will be in charge of the Attorney General's Office, Homeland Security and the FBI.

But do it anyway. You can always claim that you saw the light.

There . . . are . . . FOUR . . . lights!

Wow, so many layers of meaning on this, thank you!

Seemed apropos when considering what a Republican led 'loyalty/purge' interrogation would be like.


:P

And which answers were true?
Oh, they were all true!
Even the lies?
Especially the lies!

- kudos to Garak, slipperiest tailor of the whole Alpha Quadrant.

Holy cow folks, my google engine is overheating trying to figure out what y'all are talking about

Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. The most consistently good Trek show (fight me!)

Can we turn the temperature down just a little bit by changing the subject away from this and back to *checks notes*

Actually, I'm on board with DS9, that was a great show, and once they brought in Michael Dorn, it was like when the Lakers added Gary Peyton and Karl Malone.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5257 on: November 05, 2020, 06:21:41 AM »
Trump's lawsuits aren't really outrageous. They are more of a feature of how Trump operates rather than a bug. 

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5258 on: November 05, 2020, 06:24:59 AM »
Trump's lawsuits aren't really outrageous. They are more of a feature of how Trump operates rather than a bug.

First place my mind went today: the lawsuits are without a shred of reality and shouldn't last more than a couple days.
Today's opinion pieces: gentle reminder that Bush v Gore lasted two months.

fuuuuuuuck

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5259 on: November 05, 2020, 06:56:26 AM »
The counting is swinging back toward Trump in Arizona. That margin may slip (and several networks were cautious enough to not call it for Biden year. It's unclear what will happen in Georgia and how large the remaining ballot pool is. So we're left with Pennsylvania.

The Trump legal team don't seem like the All-stars who were willing to wade into Florida for the Bush cause. But what do the votes say? Will the votes be so close (reminder: initial 2000 count had Bush up 1,700 in Florida) that it will matter.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5260 on: November 05, 2020, 07:09:00 AM »
The counting is swinging back toward Trump in Arizona. That margin may slip (and several networks were cautious enough to not call it for Biden year. It's unclear what will happen in Georgia and how large the remaining ballot pool is. So we're left with Pennsylvania.

The Trump legal team don't seem like the All-stars who were willing to wade into Florida for the Bush cause. But what do the votes say? Will the votes be so close (reminder: initial 2000 count had Bush up 1,700 in Florida) that it will matter.

Georgia updated form earlier claims of 25K ballots left to count and are saying roughly 50K now. That could work in Biden's favor.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5261 on: November 05, 2020, 07:15:56 AM »
Trump's lawsuits aren't really outrageous. They are more of a feature of how Trump operates rather than a bug.

First place my mind went today: the lawsuits are without a shred of reality and shouldn't last more than a couple days.
Today's opinion pieces: gentle reminder that Bush v Gore lasted two months.


This is just another example of how the GOP has embraced a brash New Yorker who's relied on lawsuits his entire career.  Yet somehow the party claims to be against spurious litigation, and seeks to eliminate legal red tape in everything from health-care to environmental challenges.

It makes my head spin.  "Law suits are bad, liberals try to use the courts to circumvent legislation - oh let's preemptively launch dozens of spurious lawsuits around voting!!"

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5262 on: November 05, 2020, 07:18:48 AM »
Trump's lawsuits aren't really outrageous. They are more of a feature of how Trump operates rather than a bug.

First place my mind went today: the lawsuits are without a shred of reality and shouldn't last more than a couple days.
Today's opinion pieces: gentle reminder that Bush v Gore lasted two months.


This is just another example of how the GOP has embraced a brash New Yorker who's relied on lawsuits his entire career.  Yet somehow the party claims to be against spurious litigation, and seeks to eliminate legal red tape in everything from health-care to environmental challenges.

It makes my head spin.  "Law suits are bad, liberals try to use the courts to circumvent legislation - oh let's preemptively launch dozens of spurious lawsuits around voting!!"

"Lawsuits for me, but not for thee." Or, "Do as I say, not as I do."

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5263 on: November 05, 2020, 07:29:59 AM »
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. The most consistently good Trek show (fight me!)

I'm trying... I'm about three season in. Not warming up to it yet. I'm watching it no matter what. Bit by bit.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5264 on: November 05, 2020, 07:35:56 AM »
Queue my elder and supporting relatives moaning about the media, fake news, conspiracies, etc all designed to hurt Trump.

I keep thinking I should bring up them making fun of sad liberals after Hillary lost but I can't.
Elder mentioned term limits for Pelosi and Schumer. Sure but that applies to both sides of the aisle - right? ;)
It isn't officially over yet. Anyone seen the forecast for Hell?

Maybe this is great year to stay home over the holidays.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5265 on: November 05, 2020, 07:46:30 AM »
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. The most consistently good Trek show (fight me!)

I'm trying... I'm about three season in. Not warming up to it yet. I'm watching it no matter what. Bit by bit.

DS9 wasn't a bad show . . . but it wasn't Star Trek.  It abandoned all of the fundamental concepts and ideas that Roddenberry wanted to do with the series.  It was intended to be grittier and darker, dealing with social conflict, war, scarcity, terrorism (all issues that were largely supposed to have been solved in Roddenberry's universe).  While it seemed pretty good at the time, it seems to have aged worse than TNG or the original series.

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« Reply #5266 on: November 05, 2020, 07:55:52 AM »
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. The most consistently good Trek show (fight me!)

I'm trying... I'm about three season in. Not warming up to it yet. I'm watching it no matter what. Bit by bit.

To appreciate it, you need to remember that it first aired in 1993.  Special effects were still largely done on-set and there was still pretty tight network and FCC control over content (e.g. each episode still needed to be 'self contained').  Still, DS9 was different in having a continuous story, mutli-epsiode arcs and was 'grittier' than the previous ST or TNG while still existing within Roddenberry's world of advanced scientific human Utopia.  It melded a lot more aliens together, with Humans, Ferengi, Klingons, Cardassians and the Dominion all present in almost every episode.

I think DS9 had/has the DNA to be an amazing series on one of the streaming networks (e.g. Netflix) where they don't have to pay much attention to broadcasting guidelines or commericial breaks or self-contained episodes.  Alas, I don't see that happening.  They'll draft up some completely different Star Trek series which will feel more like Abrams or Lin than Avery Brooks (DS9) or Roddenberry.



DS9 wasn't a bad show . . . but it wasn't Star Trek.  It abandoned all of the fundamental concepts and ideas that Roddenberry wanted to do with the series.  It was intended to be grittier and darker, dealing with social conflict, war, scarcity, terrorism (all issues that were largely supposed to have been solved in Roddenberry's universe).  While it seemed pretty good at the time, it seems to have aged worse than TNG or the original series.

I disagree.  I think it fit nicely into the Star Trek cannon  - but showed how the United Federation of Planets merged with the other empires that didn't necessarily fit into their world view of scientific utopia and advancement of knowledge for everyone's benefit.  You had the main character who was in many ways superior but struggled to understand and become more 'human' (Oto), you had the external threat (Dominion), the diversified group cohesively working together under a command structure (all the officers), and then a lot of squabbling between non-members which Sisco tried to mediate while maintaining the Prime Directive.

Oops... have we strayed from Trump now?  Hmm... I don't think Trump would make a very good Star Fleet officer.  For one, his 'bone spurs' would be healed by a tricorder in seconds.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5267 on: November 05, 2020, 07:58:54 AM »
Queue my elder and supporting relatives moaning about the media, fake news, conspiracies, etc all designed to hurt Trump.

I keep thinking I should bring up them making fun of sad liberals after Hillary lost but I can't.
Elder mentioned term limits for Pelosi and Schumer. Sure but that applies to both sides of the aisle - right? ;)
It isn't officially over yet. Anyone seen the forecast for Hell?

Maybe this is great year to stay home over the holidays.

For multiple reasons, as it turns out that COVID-19 didn't magically disappear on Nov. 4, as promised by the current overlords.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5268 on: November 05, 2020, 08:01:00 AM »
Oops... have we strayed from Trump now?  Hmm... I don't think Trump would make a very good Star Fleet officer.  For one, his 'bone spurs' would be healed by a tricorder in seconds.

Trump would do just fine in the Star Trek universe.  Who has the same moral compass, same preoccupation with gold (pressed latinum), same orangey skin tone, same opinion of facts that don't suit them, same baldness, and same views on the treatment of women?

That's right . . . he's Ferengi!

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« Reply #5269 on: November 05, 2020, 08:01:15 AM »
Foot problems healed in seconds? Sign me up. I already did my enlistment in the military.

Had no idea that the FCC required self contained episodes back then. Any idea why?

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« Reply #5270 on: November 05, 2020, 08:06:46 AM »

For multiple reasons, as it turns out that COVID-19 didn't magically disappear on Nov. 4, as promised by the current overlords.

NOOOOOOO!!!
Honestly, I was really hoping that would be true.  I never believed it, but I was willing to be totally wrong in exchange for a return to normal.
Sigh:  107,771 new cases yesterday. A new record.  1,616 deaths reported, back to levels not seen since July. 

The trend is deeply troubling... very possible that we'll average over 1,000 deaths/day for weeks now, possibly 2k.  On our state's CDC briefing yesterday it was mentinoed that we'll probably hit 300k deaths before the end of this year.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5271 on: November 05, 2020, 08:59:38 AM »
IF Trump loses, will he leave the White House without a fuss or will he have to be escorted out by the military?

Will he greet Biden and Biden's wife as the Obama's had done on their last day? Hahaha!

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5272 on: November 05, 2020, 09:13:02 AM »
My former mil told me as she was waiting in line at a store yesterday an elderly man who was not wearing his mask properly kept motioning her to get closer in line while she kept her distance. She finally said " I don't want to get closer because of covid" and he said "don't worry it's all going to go away after the election!". This is in NC.   
This is one of the most dismaying things about the last 4 years, how readily people believe and pass on misinformation, lies and outright conspiracy theories. Unlike closed societies like china, russia, north korea, we have an open society with libraries, free press, etc. Of course it doesn't help that the head of the country himself is spreading misinformation, but that can't be an excuse.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5273 on: November 05, 2020, 09:14:00 AM »
I did some checking, and apparently John Adams--our great and revered founding father--did not attend the inauguration of his rival successor Thomas Jefferson.

Maybe we need to be a little more discerning about our republican values?

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« Reply #5274 on: November 05, 2020, 09:16:42 AM »
I did some checking, and apparently John Adams--our great and revered founding father--did not attend the inauguration of his rival successor Thomas Jefferson.

Maybe we need to be a little more discerning about our republican values?

Will we also get a set of letters that Biden and Trump will write each other on their death beds talking fondly of each other's accomplishments?

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« Reply #5275 on: November 05, 2020, 09:18:42 AM »
Yes don't underestimate the stupidity of Trump voters.  A good portion literally believe the coronavirus is going away after the election despite living in the same reality as the rest of us.

Back to trump outrage: He's having another tantrum on twitter as expected, tweeting "STOP THE COUNT!", "ANY VOTE THAT CAME IN AFTER ELECTION DAY WILL NOT BE COUNTED!", "STOP THE COUNT!" (he's retweeting himself), "Big legal win in Pennsylvania!", and pushing articles from briebart news. 

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5276 on: November 05, 2020, 09:26:24 AM »
I did some checking, and apparently John Adams--our great and revered founding father--did not attend the inauguration of his rival successor Thomas Jefferson.

Maybe we need to be a little more discerning about our republican values?

Will we also get a set of letters that Biden and Trump will write each other on their death beds talking fondly of each other's accomplishments?

Interesting you bring that up, I'm actually working on a letter to my children (Kinder and 3rd grade) explaining my Biden vote because the issues that motivate seem...not age appropriate for them now. Part of what motivates me is the thought that they might study history years from now and wonder why all their family (apart from me it seems) voted for this man, so I want to leave a record behind.

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« Reply #5277 on: November 05, 2020, 09:52:07 AM »
Yes don't underestimate the stupidity of Trump voters.  A good portion literally believe the coronavirus is going away after the election despite living in the same reality as the rest of us.

Back to trump outrage: He's having another tantrum on twitter as expected, tweeting "STOP THE COUNT!", "ANY VOTE THAT CAME IN AFTER ELECTION DAY WILL NOT BE COUNTED!", "STOP THE COUNT!" (he's retweeting himself), "Big legal win in Pennsylvania!", and pushing articles from briebart news. 

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

It is like having a two year old for president. I can see him twisting and turning on the floor of the oval office while shouting to Melanie: STOP THE COUNT!

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« Reply #5278 on: November 05, 2020, 09:55:07 AM »
Yes don't underestimate the stupidity of Trump voters.  A good portion literally believe the coronavirus is going away after the election despite living in the same reality as the rest of us.

Back to trump outrage: He's having another tantrum on twitter as expected, tweeting "STOP THE COUNT!", "ANY VOTE THAT CAME IN AFTER ELECTION DAY WILL NOT BE COUNTED!", "STOP THE COUNT!" (he's retweeting himself), "Big legal win in Pennsylvania!", and pushing articles from briebart news. 

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

It is like having a two year old for president. I can see him twisting and turning on the floor of the oval office while shouting to Melanie: STOP THE COUNT!

Yes, exactly like talking to my 3 year old.  No! You can't have the presidency because you didn't win the votes!  "BUT I WANT IT!!!!!!!"

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5279 on: November 05, 2020, 09:55:44 AM »
Maybe we got it wrong. The virus won't go away when the voting stops, but when the counting is done.

So Trump asking to "stop the counting" is really Trump trying to end the COVID problem.

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« Reply #5280 on: November 05, 2020, 09:58:05 AM »
Just stop testing and you'll have no more (official) cases.

Just stop counting and you'll have no more (official) Biden votes.

If they stop counting now Biden still has 270 votes.  I guess that's easier to resolve through litigation than if you let all the votes be counted though, so I get why he's doing it even though he's no longer in the lead.

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« Reply #5281 on: November 05, 2020, 10:35:59 AM »
Maybe we got it wrong. The virus won't go away when the voting stops, but when the counting is done.

So Trump asking to "stop the counting" is really Trump trying to end the COVID problem.

Um, yeah, that makes sense... the virility of a pathogen will change if we ignore little pieces of paper.

The conspiracy-theorists will tie themselves in knots trying to keep their convictions going.  Remember predictions about the end-of-the-earth?  Turns out each one got the date slightly wrong... but it’s still definitely coming, and soon... and here’s a new date!!

Next up: The virus will go away on Inauguration Day.  Like Magic!  And the 1,600+ people who died yesterday did so because of more testing.  If we hadn’t tested, they’d still be alive.

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« Reply #5282 on: November 05, 2020, 11:19:17 AM »
Queue my elder and supporting relatives moaning about the media, fake news, conspiracies, etc all designed to hurt Trump.

I keep thinking I should bring up them making fun of sad liberals after Hillary lost but I can't.
Elder mentioned term limits for Pelosi and Schumer. Sure but that applies to both sides of the aisle - right? ;)
It isn't officially over yet. Anyone seen the forecast for Hell?

Maybe this is great year to stay home over the holidays.

For multiple reasons, as it turns out that COVID-19 didn't magically disappear on Nov. 4, as promised by the current overlords.

However, my brother shared a meme on facebook yesterday that said "So is covid over now, or do we have to wait for all of the votes to be counted first"

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« Reply #5283 on: November 05, 2020, 01:40:02 PM »
Queue my elder and supporting relatives moaning about the media, fake news, conspiracies, etc all designed to hurt Trump.

I keep thinking I should bring up them making fun of sad liberals after Hillary lost but I can't.
Elder mentioned term limits for Pelosi and Schumer. Sure but that applies to both sides of the aisle - right? ;)
It isn't officially over yet. Anyone seen the forecast for Hell?

Maybe this is great year to stay home over the holidays.

For multiple reasons, as it turns out that COVID-19 didn't magically disappear on Nov. 4, as promised by the current overlords.

However, my brother shared a meme on facebook yesterday that said "So is covid over now, or do we have to wait for all of the votes to be counted first"

Wouldn’t surprise me if Trump and Giuliani file a lawsuit against the virus soon.

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« Reply #5284 on: November 06, 2020, 12:43:18 AM »
Queue my elder and supporting relatives moaning about the media, fake news, conspiracies, etc all designed to hurt Trump.

I keep thinking I should bring up them making fun of sad liberals after Hillary lost but I can't.
Elder mentioned term limits for Pelosi and Schumer. Sure but that applies to both sides of the aisle - right? ;)
It isn't officially over yet. Anyone seen the forecast for Hell?

Maybe this is great year to stay home over the holidays.

For multiple reasons, as it turns out that COVID-19 didn't magically disappear on Nov. 4, as promised by the current overlords.

However, my brother shared a meme on facebook yesterday that said "So is covid over now, or do we have to wait for all of the votes to be counted first"

Wouldn’t surprise me if Trump and Giuliani file a lawsuit against the virus soon.
The fines the Chinese have to pay for the virus will be HUGE!!!

Now that I have written it I feel that this not even a bit of funny. Too realistic. Damn you Trump. Whatver else may have happened, no political joke will ever be able to trump you.

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« Reply #5285 on: November 06, 2020, 01:02:22 AM »
Yes don't underestimate the stupidity of Trump voters.  A good portion literally believe the coronavirus is going away after the election despite living in the same reality as the rest of us.

Back to trump outrage: He's having another tantrum on twitter as expected, tweeting "STOP THE COUNT!", "ANY VOTE THAT CAME IN AFTER ELECTION DAY WILL NOT BE COUNTED!", "STOP THE COUNT!" (he's retweeting himself), "Big legal win in Pennsylvania!", and pushing articles from briebart news. 

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

I saw somewhere: #F***YouKeepCounting

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« Reply #5286 on: November 06, 2020, 01:16:50 AM »
My former mil told me as she was waiting in line at a store yesterday an elderly man who was not wearing his mask properly kept motioning her to get closer in line while she kept her distance. She finally said " I don't want to get closer because of covid" and he said "don't worry it's all going to go away after the election!". This is in NC.   
This is one of the most dismaying things about the last 4 years, how readily people believe and pass on misinformation, lies and outright conspiracy theories. Unlike closed societies like china, russia, north korea, we have an open society with libraries, free press, etc. Of course it doesn't help that the head of the country himself is spreading misinformation, but that can't be an excuse.

Having a certain orange man in charge tweeting to millions and millions of devotees sure helps normalize those sorts of views. Someone standing on a soapbox in a town square shouting the same opinions would probably be ignored and derided as a loony by most people, but if that same person is in a position of power, people will listen.

Here those sorts of views are mostly confined to the fringes (who largely also seem to be devotees of said orange man).

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-06/us-media-cuts-away-from-trumps-speech-citing-false-statements/12858350

It seems that even fellow Republicans are starting to be largely sick of his shit. When even the NY Post is calling him out, then the political tides really are sweeping him out to sea.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5287 on: November 06, 2020, 03:34:48 AM »
I did some checking, and apparently John Adams--our great and revered founding father--did not attend the inauguration of his rival successor Thomas Jefferson.

Maybe we need to be a little more discerning about our republican values?

Will we also get a set of letters that Biden and Trump will write each other on their death beds talking fondly of each other's accomplishments?

Interesting you bring that up, I'm actually working on a letter to my children (Kinder and 3rd grade) explaining my Biden vote because the issues that motivate seem...not age appropriate for them now. Part of what motivates me is the thought that they might study history years from now and wonder why all their family (apart from me it seems) voted for this man, so I want to leave a record behind.

This is one hell of a difficult balance to walk.

I live in a liberal bubble. My DD (12yo) possibly hears many things from school and asks very inquisitive questions that I struggle to find good answers for.

Last week, when pumpkin curving, she quipped - "This is our Trumpkin, orange and round and should be thrown away in November!".

The week before, we went grocery shopping and there were a few trump nuts gathered outside in a public square and making speeches! She asked me very seriously - "Dad, do these people support putting kids in cages"? I mumbled something about "different opinions" and such that sounded half a**ed even to my own ears.

If you are up to it, please share any tips on how you plan to discuss this with the kids. It is bloody difficult to discuss this topic without painting half of the country as evil!

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« Reply #5288 on: November 06, 2020, 03:45:26 AM »
Something something something everyone has different views and priorities.  President Trump took some very harsh measures against migrants to the USA but has many supporters who like other things he did.

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« Reply #5289 on: November 06, 2020, 03:55:26 AM »
It was admittedly used in relation to Brexit but since there may be some similarities in the situations, this phrase from James O'Brien (a radio talkshow presenter in the UK) could be a good one to keep in mind.
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5290 on: November 06, 2020, 05:27:40 AM »
I did some checking, and apparently John Adams--our great and revered founding father--did not attend the inauguration of his rival successor Thomas Jefferson.

Maybe we need to be a little more discerning about our republican values?

Will we also get a set of letters that Biden and Trump will write each other on their death beds talking fondly of each other's accomplishments?

Interesting you bring that up, I'm actually working on a letter to my children (Kinder and 3rd grade) explaining my Biden vote because the issues that motivate seem...not age appropriate for them now. Part of what motivates me is the thought that they might study history years from now and wonder why all their family (apart from me it seems) voted for this man, so I want to leave a record behind.

This is one hell of a difficult balance to walk.

I live in a liberal bubble. My DD (12yo) possibly hears many things from school and asks very inquisitive questions that I struggle to find good answers for.

Last week, when pumpkin curving, she quipped - "This is our Trumpkin, orange and round and should be thrown away in November!".

The week before, we went grocery shopping and there were a few trump nuts gathered outside in a public square and making speeches! She asked me very seriously - "Dad, do these people support putting kids in cages"? I mumbled something about "different opinions" and such that sounded half a**ed even to my own ears.

If you are up to it, please share any tips on how you plan to discuss this with the kids. It is bloody difficult to discuss this topic without painting half of the country as evil!

I've had both my kids (16 and 10) tell me that Biden and Trump are no different. No doubt they talk to other kids. I told them that I respect their opinion and explained that obviously no 2 people are alike. Even twins! Haha. I also asked them a series of questions about each candidate so they could realize for themselves that they are in fact not the same. I think peer pressure certainly spills over into politics. I know my oldest has friends who bash Biden constantly. Since he has ASD it's more difficult for him to distinguish fact from fiction and he wants his friends to like him. He understands where we stand as well and he does ask questions. 

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #5291 on: November 06, 2020, 06:12:00 AM »
Something something something everyone has different views and priorities.  President Trump took some very harsh measures against migrants to the USA but has many supporters who like other things he did.

Many of his supporters were pretty open that Obama built the cages, what was Trump supposed to do? Not use them?

Indeed, in an early draft of my letter, the family separations is one of a few items I list as being unacceptable.

I have never once tried to bait or provoke my Trump-voting in-laws about this policy. I think ignoring it to focus on the balances in their retirement accounts is a moral failure, but I cannot point to a single concrete step I've taken to address family separations, apart from voting for Democrats.

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« Reply #5292 on: November 06, 2020, 06:15:37 AM »
Disappointed that not one of you brought up Trump's "news conference" on Nov. 5. It cannot be forgotten to history.

My (republican) friend's description: "It's...something. Like Baghdad Bob meets Eyore meets a 4th grader sounding out a book in class"

Losing graciously was never a strength of his.

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« Reply #5294 on: November 06, 2020, 06:32:22 AM »
My latest Trump/WH Outrage:

In a day when new Covid cases set an all-time high and deaths exceeded 1,600, Trump's Covid advisor Scott Atlas tweets a couple of truly misleading graphs suggesting that deaths from Covid are in sharp decline (they aren't) and added the hashtag #factsmatter for additional gaslighting.

This administration continues to deny the severity of this pandemic even as it's ramping up to an alarming degree.  Regardless of the ultimate outcome of this election Thanksgiving and the Christmas holdiays will have some truly sobering numbers of Americans who will die.

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« Reply #5295 on: November 06, 2020, 06:40:46 AM »
The protesters are having meltdowns towards Fox News for daring to not be the Republican Party Channel for the last couple weeks. Ironically this won't affect their bottom line that much since Carlson and Hannity are still in their own world and are extremely popular. Today Hannity was with Gingrich discussing storming the polling offices with federal agents.

A lot of Republican officials are speaking out against Trump's latest tantrum and I have a theory why. The count isn't close enough to make the case worth their support in court and with Congress hardly changing, McConnell and other winners are satisfied to move on with their own plans. So far the only big name to support him thus far that I've found is the governor of Texas.

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« Reply #5296 on: November 06, 2020, 06:41:39 AM »

This is one hell of a difficult balance to walk.

I live in a liberal bubble. My DD (12yo) possibly hears many things from school and asks very inquisitive questions that I struggle to find good answers for.

Last week, when pumpkin curving, she quipped - "This is our Trumpkin, orange and round and should be thrown away in November!".

The week before, we went grocery shopping and there were a few trump nuts gathered outside in a public square and making speeches! She asked me very seriously - "Dad, do these people support putting kids in cages"? I mumbled something about "different opinions" and such that sounded half a**ed even to my own ears.

If you are up to it, please share any tips on how you plan to discuss this with the kids. It is bloody difficult to discuss this topic without painting half of the country as evil!

I would start by questioning the premise that Republicans do support putting kids in cages.  I’ve seen polls where 2/3rds support separation, but nothing about cages.  And no, I don’t think that is splitting hairs

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« Reply #5297 on: November 06, 2020, 06:49:13 AM »
I would start by questioning the premise that Republicans do support putting kids in cages.  I’ve seen polls where 2/3rds support separation, but nothing about cages.  And no, I don’t think that is splitting hairs

Agreed, not splitting hairs.

The separation policy is much worse than the cages . . . given that ICE was separating babies and toddlers unable to speak from their parents and then failing to record the names of the parents/children - to ensure that reunification is impossible.  Cages are short term discomfort that look bad in a photo.  Separating an infant from it's mother and not writing down who exactly the mother was is inexcusable.

At least the Nazis were competent enough to keep good records when they were doing evil shit.

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« Reply #5298 on: November 06, 2020, 06:56:07 AM »
Question: does an illegal border crossing constitute a crime, per the us penal code?

Follow up question: what normally happens to children when their parents are jailed and charged with a crime?


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« Reply #5299 on: November 06, 2020, 07:03:55 AM »

This is one hell of a difficult balance to walk.

I live in a liberal bubble. My DD (12yo) possibly hears many things from school and asks very inquisitive questions that I struggle to find good answers for.

Last week, when pumpkin curving, she quipped - "This is our Trumpkin, orange and round and should be thrown away in November!".

The week before, we went grocery shopping and there were a few trump nuts gathered outside in a public square and making speeches! She asked me very seriously - "Dad, do these people support putting kids in cages"? I mumbled something about "different opinions" and such that sounded half a**ed even to my own ears.

If you are up to it, please share any tips on how you plan to discuss this with the kids. It is bloody difficult to discuss this topic without painting half of the country as evil!

I would start by questioning the premise that Republicans do support putting kids in cages.  I’ve seen polls where 2/3rds support separation, but nothing about cages.  And no, I don’t think that is splitting hairs

How is that not splitting hairs? If you intentionally tear the families apart then you have to put the kids somewhere. I guess theoretically Trump could have donated space in one of his resorts to put them up in a little more comfort, but is that really that much different? Ripping weeping children out of the arms of their mothers - never to see them again - is the majority of the cruelty. "Kids in cages" is just shorthand for the whole situation.
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