Trump outrage of the day

[Kris]

Meanwhile, Trump admitted to Bob Woodward he lied to the American people about the Coronavirus.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bob-woodward-rage-book-trump/2020/09/09/0368fe3c-efd2-11ea-b4bc-3a2098fc73d4_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-high_woodward-1210p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans&fbclid=IwAR2NFomDlr38HBkfkK3aen_OY0gMC9pTLCHYPNjr4Hubrm96CTuu-6Tev2w

Outrageous, but unsurprising to anyone who's been paying attention.

Admitting that he knew it was a serious situation and still downplayed it will make him lose dozens of supporters.

LOL. Yup. If even that.

First reaction to this I’ve seen from a Trump supporter:

“He was just trying to prevent panic. He did, and is still doing, a great job.”

What was that line about Trump shooting someone on Fifth Avenue?

[ixtap]

His supporters want to know why there isn't more widespread coverage of a controversial right wing politician nominating him for the Nobel Peace Prize. Only, they don't seem to know about the controversial right wing politician part...

[Glenstache]

See also Trump stating that he would consider Tom Cotton and Ted Cruz for SCOTUS. They would never be confirmed ( I would hope) but it does provide a reminded to the conservative base that the next president will likely fill RBG's seat.

[brandon1827]

We know there's no moving members of the cult. That has already been proven and this won't sway them one bit. I think it could prove detrimental to any potential undecided swing voters and most definitely to family and friends of the almost 200,000 dead Americans....but yeah, judges and such. The next President may likely fill two seats as Clarence Thomas has gotta be close to retirement also.

[nereo]

See also Trump stating that he would consider Tom Cotton and Ted Cruz for SCOTUS. They would never be confirmed ( I would hope) but it does provide a reminded to the conservative base that the next president will likely fill RBG's seat.

While both have law degrees (J.D.), Cotton has done precious little in terms of practicing actual law.  Cruz did have a considerable legal career (~20+ years) before winning election to the senate, though he's never served as a judge.  Mind you, there's no constitutional requirement that a member of SCOTUS be a judge, or even have a law degree, though it would break with 70+ years of tradition.

[ysette9]

This is floating around in my newsfeed today and I’m not sure how to take it. Canary in the coal mine? Overly alarmist?


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/09/america-insurgency-chaos-trump-violence.html


“David Kilcullen is one of the world’s leading authorities on insurgencies. For decades he has studied them. As an infantry soldier in the Australian army and an adviser to the U.S. Army, he’s fought against them. His latest scholarly work has focused on their role in urban conflicts.

So when Kilcullen says that America is in a state of “incipient insurgency,” it’s worth sitting up, taking notice, and trembling just a little.”
...

“Kilcullen sees a pattern similar to the patterns that precipitated insurgencies in Colombia, Libya, and Iraq. The key factor is the rise of fear. He cites Stathis Kalyvas’ book The Logic of Violence in Civil War as observing that fear, not hate, drives the worst atrocities. “Every civil war and insurgency of the last 50 years has been driven by fear,” Kilcullen told me. Today’s politics and social tensions are dominated by three fears: fear of other social groups, fear that those other groups are encroaching on one’s territory, and fear that the state no longer has the ability to protect the people.”

And to tie it back to Trump...

“In other words, there is still time for political leaders—locally and nationally—to calm the storm, douse the flames, and stifle the violent provocateurs across the spectrum, while also addressing the underlying social, political, and racial issues that sparked the (legitimate) protests.

Unfortunately, President Donald Trump has no interest in calm. Instead, he is deliberately fanning the flames as part of a cynical election strategy.”

[bacchi]

This is floating around in my newsfeed today and I’m not sure how to take it. Canary in the coal mine? Overly alarmist?


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/09/america-insurgency-chaos-trump-violence.html


“David Kilcullen is one of the world’s leading authorities on insurgencies. For decades he has studied them. As an infantry soldier in the Australian army and an adviser to the U.S. Army, he’s fought against them. His latest scholarly work has focused on their role in urban conflicts.

So when Kilcullen says that America is in a state of “incipient insurgency,” it’s worth sitting up, taking notice, and trembling just a little.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-409236

Among these groups, we assess that white supremacist extremists – who increasingly are networking with likeminded persons abroad – will pose the most persistent and lethal threat.

So, yeah, if Trump loses -- and I expect he will -- there may very will be an insurgency in more rural parts of the country. It may be like the Oregon BLM stand-off or it might be more violent. Either way, there's a lot of anger out there.

[Travis]

See also Trump stating that he would consider Tom Cotton and Ted Cruz for SCOTUS. They would never be confirmed ( I would hope) but it does provide a reminded to the conservative base that the next president will likely fill RBG's seat.

Bush the Younger floated the idea of his personal lawyer as SCOTUS and the Republican Senate leadership laughed him out of the room. It was a different time then, though.

[Travis]

See also Trump stating that he would consider Tom Cotton and Ted Cruz for SCOTUS. They would never be confirmed ( I would hope) but it does provide a reminded to the conservative base that the next president will likely fill RBG's seat.

While both have law degrees (J.D.), Cotton has done precious little in terms of practicing actual law.  Cruz did have a considerable legal career (~20+ years) before winning election to the senate, though he's never served as a judge.  Mind you, there's no constitutional requirement that a member of SCOTUS be a judge, or even have a law degree, though it would break with 70+ years of tradition.

They're his biggest supporters to counter this summer's protests. Cotton's the one who demanded that the 101st go into NYC guns a-blazing.

[ysette9]

This is floating around in my newsfeed today and I’m not sure how to take it. Canary in the coal mine? Overly alarmist?


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/09/america-insurgency-chaos-trump-violence.html


“David Kilcullen is one of the world’s leading authorities on insurgencies. For decades he has studied them. As an infantry soldier in the Australian army and an adviser to the U.S. Army, he’s fought against them. His latest scholarly work has focused on their role in urban conflicts.

So when Kilcullen says that America is in a state of “incipient insurgency,” it’s worth sitting up, taking notice, and trembling just a little.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-409236

Among these groups, we assess that white supremacist extremists – who increasingly are networking with likeminded persons abroad – will pose the most persistent and lethal threat.

So, yeah, if Trump loses -- and I expect he will -- there may very will be an insurgency in more rural parts of the country. It may be like the Oregon BLM stand-off or it might be more violent. Either way, there's a lot of anger out there.

The reason I ask is that my family thinks it is a significant enough of a threat that they are working Plan Bs such as applying for dual citizenship, looking into a spousal extended stay visa for the person married to a dual citizen, one is actively job hunting overseas. I can’t quite tell if they are just more informed than me or scaring themselves unnecessarily.

[MaybeBabyMustache]

This is floating around in my newsfeed today and I’m not sure how to take it. Canary in the coal mine? Overly alarmist?


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/09/america-insurgency-chaos-trump-violence.html


“David Kilcullen is one of the world’s leading authorities on insurgencies. For decades he has studied them. As an infantry soldier in the Australian army and an adviser to the U.S. Army, he’s fought against them. His latest scholarly work has focused on their role in urban conflicts.

So when Kilcullen says that America is in a state of “incipient insurgency,” it’s worth sitting up, taking notice, and trembling just a little.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-409236

Among these groups, we assess that white supremacist extremists – who increasingly are networking with likeminded persons abroad – will pose the most persistent and lethal threat.

So, yeah, if Trump loses -- and I expect he will -- there may very will be an insurgency in more rural parts of the country. It may be like the Oregon BLM stand-off or it might be more violent. Either way, there's a lot of anger out there.

The reason I ask is that my family thinks it is a significant enough of a threat that they are working Plan Bs such as applying for dual citizenship, looking into a spousal extended stay visa for the person married to a dual citizen, one is actively job hunting overseas. I can’t quite tell if they are just more informed than me or scaring themselves unnecessarily.

Regardless of an actual insurgence, this isn't a great time to be a minority in the US. My husband has expressed significant discomfort with the current climate, including things happening in our own neighborhood. We are exploring the possibility of other options. He has Canadian citizenship. If you would have asked me about this four years ago, I would have laughed you out of the room.

[ixtap]

This is floating around in my newsfeed today and I’m not sure how to take it. Canary in the coal mine? Overly alarmist?


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/09/america-insurgency-chaos-trump-violence.html


“David Kilcullen is one of the world’s leading authorities on insurgencies. For decades he has studied them. As an infantry soldier in the Australian army and an adviser to the U.S. Army, he’s fought against them. His latest scholarly work has focused on their role in urban conflicts.

So when Kilcullen says that America is in a state of “incipient insurgency,” it’s worth sitting up, taking notice, and trembling just a little.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-409236

Among these groups, we assess that white supremacist extremists – who increasingly are networking with likeminded persons abroad – will pose the most persistent and lethal threat.

So, yeah, if Trump loses -- and I expect he will -- there may very will be an insurgency in more rural parts of the country. It may be like the Oregon BLM stand-off or it might be more violent. Either way, there's a lot of anger out there.

The reason I ask is that my family thinks it is a significant enough of a threat that they are working Plan Bs such as applying for dual citizenship, looking into a spousal extended stay visa for the person married to a dual citizen, one is actively job hunting overseas. I can’t quite tell if they are just more informed than me or scaring themselves unnecessarily.

Regardless of an actual insurgence, this isn't a great time to be a minority in the US. My husband has expressed significant discomfort with the current climate, including things happening in our own neighborhood. We are exploring the possibility of other options. He has Canadian citizenship. If you would have asked me about this four years ago, I would have laughed you out of the room.

On the other hand, my cousins were arming themselves in 2016 (and there were runs on ammo) because obviously if Obama won, the blacks (sic) were going to start something.

[bacchi]

This is floating around in my newsfeed today and I’m not sure how to take it. Canary in the coal mine? Overly alarmist?


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/09/america-insurgency-chaos-trump-violence.html


“David Kilcullen is one of the world’s leading authorities on insurgencies. For decades he has studied them. As an infantry soldier in the Australian army and an adviser to the U.S. Army, he’s fought against them. His latest scholarly work has focused on their role in urban conflicts.

So when Kilcullen says that America is in a state of “incipient insurgency,” it’s worth sitting up, taking notice, and trembling just a little.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-409236

Among these groups, we assess that white supremacist extremists – who increasingly are networking with likeminded persons abroad – will pose the most persistent and lethal threat.

So, yeah, if Trump loses -- and I expect he will -- there may very will be an insurgency in more rural parts of the country. It may be like the Oregon BLM stand-off or it might be more violent. Either way, there's a lot of anger out there.

The reason I ask is that my family thinks it is a significant enough of a threat that they are working Plan Bs such as applying for dual citizenship, looking into a spousal extended stay visa for the person married to a dual citizen, one is actively job hunting overseas. I can’t quite tell if they are just more informed than me or scaring themselves unnecessarily.

Regardless of an actual insurgence, this isn't a great time to be a minority in the US. My husband has expressed significant discomfort with the current climate, including things happening in our own neighborhood. We are exploring the possibility of other options. He has Canadian citizenship. If you would have asked me about this four years ago, I would have laughed you out of the room.

On the other hand, my cousins were arming themselves in 2016 (and there were runs on ammo) because obviously if Obama won, the blacks (sic) were going to start something.

True but the President is actively encouraging one side this time. He's suggesting that people vote twice and that, if he loses, he wuz robbed. These are people who think that wearing a mask is taking away their fundamental freedoms. QAnon, which advocates for abolishing the Deep State worldwide child-sex ring, has seeped into high levels of the government.

1) Angry and scared people
1a) with guns
2) that are gullible
3) and encouraged by their leader, who happens to be the President

= Danger Will Robinson!

[ysette9]

This is floating around in my newsfeed today and I’m not sure how to take it. Canary in the coal mine? Overly alarmist?


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/09/america-insurgency-chaos-trump-violence.html


“David Kilcullen is one of the world’s leading authorities on insurgencies. For decades he has studied them. As an infantry soldier in the Australian army and an adviser to the U.S. Army, he’s fought against them. His latest scholarly work has focused on their role in urban conflicts.

So when Kilcullen says that America is in a state of “incipient insurgency,” it’s worth sitting up, taking notice, and trembling just a little.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-409236

Among these groups, we assess that white supremacist extremists – who increasingly are networking with likeminded persons abroad – will pose the most persistent and lethal threat.

So, yeah, if Trump loses -- and I expect he will -- there may very will be an insurgency in more rural parts of the country. It may be like the Oregon BLM stand-off or it might be more violent. Either way, there's a lot of anger out there.

The reason I ask is that my family thinks it is a significant enough of a threat that they are working Plan Bs such as applying for dual citizenship, looking into a spousal extended stay visa for the person married to a dual citizen, one is actively job hunting overseas. I can’t quite tell if they are just more informed than me or scaring themselves unnecessarily.

Regardless of an actual insurgence, this isn't a great time to be a minority in the US. My husband has expressed significant discomfort with the current climate, including things happening in our own neighborhood. We are exploring the possibility of other options. He has Canadian citizenship. If you would have asked me about this four years ago, I would have laughed you out of the room.

On the other hand, my cousins were arming themselves in 2016 (and there were runs on ammo) because obviously if Obama won, the blacks (sic) were going to start something.

Right. And then there was the talk of moving to Canada back when W was starting up wars. But nothing came of that.

The difference this time is I see people actually moving overseas, not just talking about it.

@MaybeBabyMustache - I am surprised and disappointed to hear that your husband is seeing things that make him uncomfortable in your own neighborhood. I expected better for where you live.

[Abe]

As a minority person with significant resources and specific skills that are useful everywhere, I have looked into cash for residency arrangements. I expect some governmental agency to deal with the thugs who pull out guns or burn things after the election since then it’s bad for business. For the most part I expect little change to my life if Trump wins, and will just continue to donate to opposition groups. My real trigger to leave is if we show signs of slipping back to an apartheid or letting domestic terrorist organizations roam free. I grew up in an intensely racist town as an immigrant, and am not interested in my children or wife experiencing that. We lived in large cities so are mostly shielded from it, but who knows how state and federal controls on local racism and anti-immigrant bias will hold up as the economic crisis grinds on.
America doesn’t deal well with domestic crises in constructive ways until they’ve tried the chaos approach first. Overall I think our underlying laziness and complacency will lull whatever side loses back to a baseline whining and politics, but who knows how long that’ll take.

[Leisured]

Perhaps we need a poll about interest in getting Canadian citizenship.

[GuitarStv]

You can't come to Canada.  We're building a wall to keep you out . . . and a great source (the best really) has told me that America will pay for it.

[ysette9]

You can't come to Canada.  We're building a wall to keep you out . . . and a great source (the best really) has told me that America will pay for it.

We already did and we are paying for it. I believe the cost has been some 200k lives and counting.

[Travis]

You can't come to Canada.  We're building a wall to keep you out . . . and a great source (the best really) has told me that America will pay for it.

Saw a Tweet last week and immediately thought of you. It was a guy breaking down the spectrum of Far Left, Centrist, Far Right, and levels in between. He pointed out how in the US what the Republicans call politicians that represent "the Radical Left" are people whose chief concerns are that they simply don't want you to die from medical bills and how in any other country they'd be called Centrists.

[MaybeBabyMustache]

@ysette9 - I've lost a lot of faith over the past month.

[ysette9]

@ysette9 - I've lost a lot of faith over the past month.

I’m really sorry. ~hugs~

[partgypsy]

Interesting turn to the conversation. I work with veterans, and speaking to a veteran the other day he brought up his concerns.  That he served abroad in a number of third world countries (listing a whole list of countries) that had authoritarian governments and poor civil rights (soldiers walking in the street with rifles). Each time he served and came back he was thankful to be in the US and back home and safe. He never thought he'd say this, but changes to the US remind him of what he saw in those third world countries...

[LennStar]

Interesting turn to the conversation. I work with veterans, and speaking to a veteran the other day he brought up his concerns.  That he served abroad in a number of third world countries (listing a whole list of countries) that had authoritarian governments and poor civil rights (soldiers walking in the street with rifles). Each time he served and came back he was thankful to be in the US and back home and safe. He never thought he'd say this, but changes to the US remind him of what he saw in those third world countries...

That's no wonder at all. Trump behaves like a dictator, and if he wins again, he may really be one after 4 more years.

Not that nobody warned you about that. I know I did 4 years ago.

[sixwings]

You can't come to Canada.  We're building a wall to keep you out . . . and a great source (the best really) has told me that America will pay for it.

We already did and we are paying for it. I believe the cost has been some 200k lives and counting.

The westcoast and northeast states can split off and join Canada to become the new world superpower.

[partgypsy]

Hey! What about the northern Midwest states like wisconsin and Michigan?

[scottish]

You can't come to Canada.  We're building a wall to keep you out . . . and a great source (the best really) has told me that America will pay for it.

We already did and we are paying for it. I believe the cost has been some 200k lives and counting.

The westcoast and northeast states can split off and join Canada to become the new world superpower.

Then the remaining states can form a new country called Ameristan.    They will receive aid from Russian and China who will encourage them to attack the new player on the world stage.

We should write a thriller!

[RetiredAt63]

You can't come to Canada.  We're building a wall to keep you out . . . and a great source (the best really) has told me that America will pay for it.

We already did and we are paying for it. I believe the cost has been some 200k lives and counting.

The westcoast and northeast states can split off and join Canada to become the new world superpower.

Then the remaining states can form a new country called Ameristan.    They will receive aid from Russian and China who will encourage them to attack the new player on the world stage.

We should write a thriller!

 Then Wilfred Laurier would have been almost right, just the wrong century.   ;-)

[Glenstache]

You can't come to Canada.  We're building a wall to keep you out . . . and a great source (the best really) has told me that America will pay for it.

We already did and we are paying for it. I believe the cost has been some 200k lives and counting.

The westcoast and northeast states can split off and join Canada to become the new world superpower.

I've always liked the idea of Cascadia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_(independence_movement)

[sixwings]

I live in BC and would prefer to remain part of Canada, so Washington, Oregon and California would need to join Canada.

[ysette9]

I live in BC and would prefer to remain part of Canada, so Washington, Oregon and California would need to join Canada.

As a Californian currently living in Washington, I support this plan

[RetiredAt63]

I live in BC and would prefer to remain part of Canada, so Washington, Oregon and California would need to join Canada.

Those of us in the rest of Canada would also like BC to remain part of Canada.

[EscapeVelocity2020]

I live in BC and would prefer to remain part of Canada, so Washington, Oregon and California would need to join Canada.

Those of us in the rest of Canada would also like BC to remain part of Canada.

Can Texas become the 'Alaska' of Canada?

[RetiredAt63]

I live in BC and would prefer to remain part of Canada, so Washington, Oregon and California would need to join Canada.

Those of us in the rest of Canada would also like BC to remain part of Canada.

Can Texas become the 'Alaska' of Canada?

Are you willing to give up a lot of your guns, and have state-run health insurance?  Plus shift to the Parliamentary system?

And can you talk the rest of the country into letting you go?  Canadians don't get into fights until we have talked everything to death.  After all, Pierre Laporte was killed in 1970 and Quebec is still part of Canada.  Complete with a separatist party sitting in the Federal Parliament.  You might find us a bit odd to be part of.   ;-)

[ysette9]

I live in BC and would prefer to remain part of Canada, so Washington, Oregon and California would need to join Canada.

Those of us in the rest of Canada would also like BC to remain part of Canada.

Can Texas become the 'Alaska' of Canada?

Are you willing to give up a lot of your guns, and have state-run health insurance?  Plus shift to the Parliamentary system?

And can you talk the rest of the country into letting you go?  Canadians don't get into fights until we have talked everything to death.  After all, Pierre Laporte was killed in 1970 and Quebec is still part of Canada.  Complete with a separatist party sitting in the Federal Parliament.  You might find us a bit odd to be part of.   ;-)

That sounds so refreshingly..... adult-like.

[EscapeVelocity2020]

I live in BC and would prefer to remain part of Canada, so Washington, Oregon and California would need to join Canada.

Those of us in the rest of Canada would also like BC to remain part of Canada.

Can Texas become the 'Alaska' of Canada?

Are you willing to give up a lot of your guns, and have state-run health insurance?  Plus shift to the Parliamentary system?

And can you talk the rest of the country into letting you go?  Canadians don't get into fights until we have talked everything to death.  After all, Pierre Laporte was killed in 1970 and Quebec is still part of Canada.  Complete with a separatist party sitting in the Federal Parliament.  You might find us a bit odd to be part of.   ;-)

Can't guarantee the rest, but we do have a Democratic contender, MJ Hegar, that wants to do away with 'open carry' (allowing people with long guns to walk around with them, which, surprisingly, leads to escalation and shootings)...  I think I'll take Trump's advice and vote twice for her :)

[lemanfan]

Interesting turn to the conversation. I work with veterans, and speaking to a veteran the other day he brought up his concerns.  That he served abroad in a number of third world countries (listing a whole list of countries) that had authoritarian governments and poor civil rights (soldiers walking in the street with rifles). Each time he served and came back he was thankful to be in the US and back home and safe. He never thought he'd say this, but changes to the US remind him of what he saw in those third world countries...

Did he say anything more specific about which US changes that made him say this?

[Leisured]

The west coast and northeast states can split off and join Canada to become the new world superpower.

Nice idea. The population of the proposed regions in what is now the US is about 60 millions, increasing the population of Canada to about 90 M. Enlarged Canada could send aid to the truncated United States.

This could play well for Trump, because the defection of liberal pointy heads will appeal to his base.

[GuitarStv]

The west coast and northeast states can split off and join Canada to become the new world superpower.

Nice idea. The population of the proposed regions in what is now the US is about 60 millions, increasing the population of Canada to about 90 M. Enlarged Canada could send aid to the truncated United States.

This could play well for Trump, because the defection of liberal pointy heads will appeal to his base.

We could trade Alberta for those areas.  Alberta is pretty much American already.  They like oil, conservatives, guns, and polluting the environment.  :P

[lemanfan]

We could trade Alberta for those areas.  Alberta is pretty much American already.  They like oil, conservatives, guns, and polluting the environment.  :P

I was just about to say that my cousins from rural Alberta wouldn't really appreciate to be in a nation that embraced California, Oregon and Washington.  :)

[RetiredAt63]

The west coast and northeast states can split off and join Canada to become the new world superpower.

Nice idea. The population of the proposed regions in what is now the US is about 60 millions, increasing the population of Canada to about 90 M. Enlarged Canada could send aid to the truncated United States.

This could play well for Trump, because the defection of liberal pointy heads will appeal to his base.

We could trade Alberta for those areas.  Alberta is pretty much American already.  They like oil, conservatives, guns, and polluting the environment.  :P

But we need a land connection to BC. 

[partgypsy]

Interesting turn to the conversation. I work with veterans, and speaking to a veteran the other day he brought up his concerns.  That he served abroad in a number of third world countries (listing a whole list of countries) that had authoritarian governments and poor civil rights (soldiers walking in the street with rifles). Each time he served and came back he was thankful to be in the US and back home and safe. He never thought he'd say this, but changes to the US remind him of what he saw in those third world countries...

Did he say anything more specific about which US changes that made him say this?

He didn't get into details but he did mention military open carrying on the streets. As an employee I'm not actually supposed to talk about politics. I listen but I don't expand on those conversations. I do think it's interesting in that he had more experience than most what it's like to live in those countries, and he feels the US is moving in that direction.

[GuitarStv]

The west coast and northeast states can split off and join Canada to become the new world superpower.

Nice idea. The population of the proposed regions in what is now the US is about 60 millions, increasing the population of Canada to about 90 M. Enlarged Canada could send aid to the truncated United States.

This could play well for Trump, because the defection of liberal pointy heads will appeal to his base.

We could trade Alberta for those areas.  Alberta is pretty much American already.  They like oil, conservatives, guns, and polluting the environment.  :P

But we need a land connection to BC.

NWT -> Yukon -> BC

I mean, I know everyone hates the north but can't we just go around?

[ctuser1]

I know the whole "let's just join Canada is done tongue-in-cheek", but I think you guys really underestimate the "patriotism" in at least the East Coast US (yes, I am fully aware that I used that loaded word).

I can't really speak for California and Oregon and Washington because I have never lived there. But us New-Englanders do consider ourselves to be the "True American's". We are just too snooty to vocalize it in the crude ways that Trumpers do!!

I presume California/Oragon/Washington may be less "patriotic" because they lack the historical background that the East Coast has. But I don't quite see a world where California decides to sail out on it's own without the north-east. It's just too closely wedded to the East Coast economically and ideologically.

[RetiredAt63]

I know the whole "let's just join Canada is done tongue-in-cheek", but I think you guys really underestimate the "patriotism" in at least the East Coast US (yes, I am fully aware that I used that loaded word).

I can't really speak for California and Oregon and Washington because I have never lived there. But us New-Englanders do consider ourselves to be the "True American's". We are just too snooty to vocalize it in the crude ways that Trumpers do!!

I presume California/Oragon/Washington may be less "patriotic" because they lack the historical background that the East Coast has. But I don't quite see a world where California decides to sail out on it's own without the north-east. It's just too closely wedded to the East Coast economically and ideologically.

The North-east was the original 13 colonies.  You have rights to the name.

[RetiredAt63]

The west coast and northeast states can split off and join Canada to become the new world superpower.

Nice idea. The population of the proposed regions in what is now the US is about 60 millions, increasing the population of Canada to about 90 M. Enlarged Canada could send aid to the truncated United States.

This could play well for Trump, because the defection of liberal pointy heads will appeal to his base.

We could trade Alberta for those areas.  Alberta is pretty much American already.  They like oil, conservatives, guns, and polluting the environment.  :P

But we need a land connection to BC.

NWT -> Yukon -> BC

I mean, I know everyone hates the north but can't we just go around?

Northern routes are more difficult.  I'm sure some of the First Nations in Alberta would expect to have a say.  The Cree did with Quebec. 

Oops, we are sounding almost serious.

[sixwings]

The west coast and northeast states can split off and join Canada to become the new world superpower.

Nice idea. The population of the proposed regions in what is now the US is about 60 millions, increasing the population of Canada to about 90 M. Enlarged Canada could send aid to the truncated United States.

This could play well for Trump, because the defection of liberal pointy heads will appeal to his base.

We could trade Alberta for those areas.  Alberta is pretty much American already.  They like oil, conservatives, guns, and polluting the environment.  :P

But we need a land connection to BC.

NWT -> Yukon -> BC

I mean, I know everyone hates the north but can't we just go around?

Northern routes are more difficult.  I'm sure some of the First Nations in Alberta would expect to have a say.  The Cree did with Quebec. 

Oops, we are sounding almost serious.

Everyone hates the north? I love the north. We gotta keep Alberta, they provide good diversity and differences of opinion which is healthy. Plus the whole anti-environmental piece is overplayed, in general I've always found that Albertans are passionate about the environment but they also recognize that their provinces economy relies on oil right now. There's lots of initiatives happening to shift that reliance but they won't do it overnight, nor should they. Let's not get down on our fellow Albertans.

[nereo]

I live in BC and would prefer to remain part of Canada, so Washington, Oregon and California would need to join Canada.

Those of us in the rest of Canada would also like BC to remain part of Canada.

Can Texas become the 'Alaska' of Canada?

No.  Canada already has Quebec (aka the "Texas of Canada").

[RetiredAt63]

I live in BC and would prefer to remain part of Canada, so Washington, Oregon and California would need to join Canada.

Those of us in the rest of Canada would also like BC to remain part of Canada.

Can Texas become the 'Alaska' of Canada?

No.  Canada already has Quebec (aka the "Texas of Canada").

Quebec is the Texas of Canada?  Huh?  It's big and it's different but Texas?  I've heard Alberta called the Texas of Canada, because of the oil.

[nereo]

I live in BC and would prefer to remain part of Canada, so Washington, Oregon and California would need to join Canada.

Those of us in the rest of Canada would also like BC to remain part of Canada.

Can Texas become the 'Alaska' of Canada?

No.  Canada already has Quebec (aka the "Texas of Canada").

Quebec is the Texas of Canada?  Huh?  It's big and it's different but Texas?  I've heard Alberta called the Texas of Canada, because of the oil.

How is Quebec like Texas? (or:  how is Texas like Quebec?)
(This is in jest - though certainly someone will take offense...)

• Very large geographically, large economy with some big cities
• Constantly refers to themselves as their own 'nation'
• Often considered "most annoying State/Provence" by people from the rest of the country
• Residents frequently talk of succession even while taking in a large amount of federal tax monies (Texas was it's own sovereign nation, and succeeded from the US in 1861)
• People from there tend to be very, very proud of where they are from
• They are Texas/Quebeçois first, and Americans/Canadians only when it suits them
• Visitors feel like the locals speak a completely different language
• They're taught a unique view of national history the rest of us don't learn in elementary school

[RetiredAt63]

I live in BC and would prefer to remain part of Canada, so Washington, Oregon and California would need to join Canada.

Those of us in the rest of Canada would also like BC to remain part of Canada.

Can Texas become the 'Alaska' of Canada?

No.  Canada already has Quebec (aka the "Texas of Canada").

Quebec is the Texas of Canada?  Huh?  It's big and it's different but Texas?  I've heard Alberta called the Texas of Canada, because of the oil.

How is Quebec like Texas? (or:  how is Texas like Quebec?)
(This is in jest - though certainly someone will take offense...)

• Very large geographically, large economy with some big cities
• Constantly refers to themselves as their own 'nation'
• Often considered "most annoying State/Provence" by people from the rest of the country
• Residents frequently talk of succession even while taking in a large amount of federal tax monies (Texas was it's own sovereign nation, and succeeded from the US in 1861)
• People from there tend to be very, very proud of where they are from
• They are Texas/Quebeçois first, and Americans/Canadians only when it suits them
• Visitors feel like the locals speak a completely different language
• They're taught a unique view of national history the rest of us don't learn in elementary school

Umm, there are parallels.  ;-)