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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2000 on: May 18, 2020, 07:19:07 AM »
When Trump's claiming China created C-19 in a lab I can't help but wonder if that's what he did.  Would it really be much of a stretch of the imagination to think he's capable of such a thing?  Tariffs didn't work & he couldn't go after them with the military.  Everyone in the world already considered him an idiot & the Dems impeached him, so why not?  He's been trying to destroy the US and the planet from day 1.  It worked in one of the movies he watched...




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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2001 on: May 18, 2020, 07:22:28 AM »
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- The Trump administration undid Obama-era rules that regulated how much sleep long-haul truck drivers were required to get. Now you can drive a 20-ton truck across the country with little or no sleep and just some caffeine pills, yay!
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This is not an outrage, the prior rule was ridiculously rigid and out-of-touch with real life.
And your summary is not even in the ballpark of accurate. Which bluntly makes anything else you've posted very questionable.

Everything I wrote is accurate, as reported in mainstream news for the day (in this case, I drew everything from my daily newspaper, The Washington Post). I clearly editorialized in a few instances with obviously facetious statements such as "yay for poison in the water," but it does not make anything I said untrue or questionable. I won't go through a point-by-point defense; rather, I'd invite you or anyone else who doubts the veracity of these atrocities committed by Trump and reported in the news to investigate for themselves. The more people know what's going on (as depressing as it is), and do something or vote to put a stop to it, the better.

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That's why I quoted that one part. It is totally inaccurate and cast major doubts on everything else you post. You doubling down on that particular point doesn't increase your credibility.

@MoseyingAlong , I appreciate that you wish to set the record straight about this business-friendly reform within trucking. Having specialists participate on these helps us all.

But You've really emphasized this argument that getting the commercial trucking regulation wrong casts doubt on the other matters. Do you have any energy to directly address the other outrages that were posted? Are you going to claim that Trump's "Obamagate" rant didn't happen, or that Rick Bright wasn't actually fired?

It is possible to simultaneously have some elements of a list with real salience, and also have a list that was expanded unnecessarily to try to amplify the President's incompetence.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2002 on: May 18, 2020, 08:42:16 AM »
Trump's on the warpath to protect coal, beautiful clean coal.    Good thing the US doesn't have something more important to worry about.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-interior-renewables/trump-admin-slaps-solar-wind-operators-with-retroactive-rent-bills-idUSKBN22U0FW

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2003 on: May 18, 2020, 09:24:13 AM »
Trump's on the warpath to protect coal, beautiful clean coal.    Good thing the US doesn't have something more important to worry about.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-interior-renewables/trump-admin-slaps-solar-wind-operators-with-retroactive-rent-bills-idUSKBN22U0FW

With the latest cratering of crude oil prices, coal has become the most expensive form of fuel for the first time ever on a strictly per-energy basis.  That’s before you factor in the cost of environmental regulation (e.g. scrubbers) environmental cost etc.

“Save Coal” indeed.   Republicans used to talk about ‘market forces’ dictating which sectors succeeded and failed.  Not Trump.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2004 on: May 18, 2020, 09:49:42 AM »
Trump's on the warpath to protect coal, beautiful clean coal.    Good thing the US doesn't have something more important to worry about.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-interior-renewables/trump-admin-slaps-solar-wind-operators-with-retroactive-rent-bills-idUSKBN22U0FW
Reading the article, this quote stands out to me:

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The Interior Department had stopped charging the rents at the end of 2018 to review company complaints that former President Barack Obama’s administration had increased them too much, making them uncompetitive with rents on private property.

Sure the timing looks suspect, but the article doesn't contain the word "coal" once.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2005 on: May 18, 2020, 11:21:46 AM »
Trump's on the warpath to protect coal, beautiful clean coal.    Good thing the US doesn't have something more important to worry about.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-interior-renewables/trump-admin-slaps-solar-wind-operators-with-retroactive-rent-bills-idUSKBN22U0FW
Perhaps he is looking for ways to help pay for the piles of dead birds and all the cancer caused by the wind turbines?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2006 on: May 18, 2020, 11:34:43 AM »
Trump's on the warpath to protect coal, beautiful clean coal.    Good thing the US doesn't have something more important to worry about.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-interior-renewables/trump-admin-slaps-solar-wind-operators-with-retroactive-rent-bills-idUSKBN22U0FW

With the latest cratering of crude oil prices, coal has become the most expensive form of fuel for the first time ever on a strictly per-energy basis.  That’s before you factor in the cost of environmental regulation (e.g. scrubbers) environmental cost etc.

“Save Coal” indeed.   Republicans used to talk about ‘market forces’ dictating which sectors succeeded and failed.  Not Trump.
I think I have never met someone who by "leave it to the market" didn't mean "The circumstances favor me, so don't change them!".

Can you explain that wind thing again? They didn't need to pay because they were probably charged too much. But the the payment was not waived just "at the moment not". Okay.
But there is no word that this question (too much or not) got an answer.
Does that mean that in the center of economic turmoil, when everyone else gets money, the wind industry has to pay a likely wrong rate?
The Trump administration took a wrongness of the Obama Administration and magnified it?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2007 on: May 18, 2020, 11:40:10 AM »
The thinking kind of looks like "OBAMA - we won't collect a penny because these private businesses are saying OBAMA fucked up". Now appears it has shifted to "This is about renewable energy - fuck those guys and make them pay up."

That's what it looks like through blue-tinted glasses - maybe this is essentially an administrative issue that just happened to reach it's resolution at an unfortunate time. Wheels of government may turn slowly, but they almost never completely stop.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2008 on: May 18, 2020, 12:39:22 PM »
Trump's on the warpath to protect coal, beautiful clean coal.    Good thing the US doesn't have something more important to worry about.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-interior-renewables/trump-admin-slaps-solar-wind-operators-with-retroactive-rent-bills-idUSKBN22U0FW
Perhaps he is looking for ways to help pay for the piles of dead birds and all the cancer caused by the wind turbines?

Piles of dead birds?  Like the ones that never get seen because they get scavenged by cats and raccoons and foxes around any high rise that get lots of bird window  strikes?  Nature Canada numbers are that cats are the number cause of human-related bird mortality, all other factors are <10% of cat mortality numbers.  In Canada at least windmills have to be a minimum of 3 km away from raptor nests and not on migratory bird paths.

Cancer caused by wind turbines?  WTF?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2009 on: May 18, 2020, 12:50:42 PM »
Cancer caused by wind turbines?  WTF?

One of Trump's more boneheaded, conspiracy-minded musings
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/apr/08/donald-trump/republicans-dismiss-trumps-windmill-and-cancer-cla/



Piles of dead birds?  Like the ones that never get seen because they get scavenged by cats and raccoons and foxes around any high rise that get lots of bird window  strikes?  Nature Canada numbers are that cats are the number cause of human-related bird mortality, all other factors are <10% of cat mortality numbers.  In Canada at least windmills have to be a minimum of 3 km away from raptor nests and not on migratory bird paths.

Thing is, I've got a colleague working for Natural Resources Canada on a big-data project measuring the effects of turbines on birds (aka "bird strikes").  They're actually measuring not just bird carcasses but also leaving dead birds at varying distances from turbines to measure and adjust for how long a dead bird will remain for detection before it's carried off by scavangers (mark-recapture study, basically)  Short version: The notion that turbines kill scores of birds is largely based on the older, smaller turbines that had scaffolding towers, where birds would nest, hjad faster-spinning but smallerblades which kept operating even in low wind velocities (many turbines now intentinoally shut down at low wind speeds).  Wish some variance most turbines seem to kill between 1-3 birds/year, which is about two orders of magnitude fewer than what many skyscrapers kill, and an order of magnitude less than your typical smokestack from a coal-fired plant.

Per M*Wh generated modern turbines kill very few birds indeed. Cats - as you mentioned - kill billions of mostly small songbirds.  Euthanizing a few feral cats will have a much greater impact on bird mortality than a large field of turbines.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2010 on: May 18, 2020, 12:57:04 PM »
Trump's on the warpath to protect coal, beautiful clean coal.    Good thing the US doesn't have something more important to worry about.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-interior-renewables/trump-admin-slaps-solar-wind-operators-with-retroactive-rent-bills-idUSKBN22U0FW
Perhaps he is looking for ways to help pay for the piles of dead birds and all the cancer caused by the wind turbines?

Piles of dead birds?  Like the ones that never get seen because they get scavenged by cats and raccoons and foxes around any high rise that get lots of bird window  strikes?  Nature Canada numbers are that cats are the number cause of human-related bird mortality, all other factors are <10% of cat mortality numbers.  In Canada at least windmills have to be a minimum of 3 km away from raptor nests and not on migratory bird paths.

Cancer caused by wind turbines?  WTF?


Yes, if this didn't make it on the "Trump Outrage of the day a month or two ago, it deserved to.
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"If you have a windmill anywhere near your house, congratulations, your house just went down 75 percent in value," Trump told his fellow Republicans April 2.  "And they say the noise causes cancer."

-Donald Trump

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« Reply #2011 on: May 18, 2020, 12:59:56 PM »

Yes, if this didn't make it on the "Trump Outrage of the day a month or two ago, it deserved to.
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"If you have a windmill anywhere near your house, congratulations, your house just went down 75 percent in value," Trump told his fellow Republicans April 2.  "And they say the noise causes cancer."

-Donald Trump

Just for clarity - Trump said this on April 2nd, 2019 and the RNC.  So 13+ months ago.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2012 on: May 18, 2020, 01:07:03 PM »
Speaking of Trump using "They say... [insert ridiculous comment here]," yesterday's Doonesbury comic did a great job capturing Trump's speech patterns:



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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2013 on: May 18, 2020, 07:36:53 PM »
Trump fired Linick, the State IG, last week. He was investigating Pompeo's use of a State Department staffer to walk his dogs and do his dishes, among other mundane domestic duties.

That's, apparently, ok (to Pompeo and Trump).

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And now I have you telling me about dog walking, washing dishes and, you know what, I'd rather have him on the phone with some world leader than have him wash dishes because maybe his wife isn't there or his kids aren't there, you know.

Besides the obvious sexism in that statement, why can't Pompeo hire a cleaner like everyone else has done before him? The IG thought it was unusual enough to investigate it.

All of these IG firings really show a loophole in our 3-tiered system of government.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2014 on: May 18, 2020, 10:56:18 PM »
Trump fired Linick, the State IG, last week. He was investigating Pompeo's use of a State Department staffer to walk his dogs and do his dishes, among other mundane domestic duties.

That's, apparently, ok (to Pompeo and Trump).

Quote from: Trump
And now I have you telling me about dog walking, washing dishes and, you know what, I'd rather have him on the phone with some world leader than have him wash dishes because maybe his wife isn't there or his kids aren't there, you know.

Besides the obvious sexism in that statement, why can't Pompeo hire a cleaner like everyone else has done before him? The IG thought it was unusual enough to investigate it.

All of these IG firings really show a loophole in our 3-tiered system of government.

... and also he hopes that the dog walker storyline sticks instead of the one in which Trump falsely declared an emergency to sell arms to the Saudis to drop bombs on Yemen, which congress expressly forbade him to do. The IG was also inspecting this and getting close.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2015 on: May 19, 2020, 04:17:15 AM »
Trump fired Linick, the State IG, last week. He was investigating Pompeo's use of a State Department staffer to walk his dogs and do his dishes, among other mundane domestic duties.

That's, apparently, ok (to Pompeo and Trump).

Quote from: Trump
And now I have you telling me about dog walking, washing dishes and, you know what, I'd rather have him on the phone with some world leader than have him wash dishes because maybe his wife isn't there or his kids aren't there, you know.

Besides the obvious sexism in that statement, why can't Pompeo hire a cleaner like everyone else has done before him? The IG thought it was unusual enough to investigate it.

All of these IG firings really show a loophole in our 3-tiered system of government.

Call this for what it is -  theft. Like other employees in the federal government, aides to the SoS are paid via taxpayer dollars and have duties outlined in their contract.  I can guarantee you these do not involve dog-walking or personal errands.   In fact those things are strictly verboden as a public servant.

If Pompeo wants a personal assistant and/or house-cleaner, he must pay for it out of pocket from his $210,700 salary - not assign other government officials to do those tasks. 

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2016 on: May 19, 2020, 10:16:52 AM »
Per M*Wh generated modern turbines kill very few birds indeed. Cats - as you mentioned - kill billions of mostly small songbirds.  Euthanizing a few feral cats will have a much greater impact on bird mortality than a large field of turbines.

Afaik the only birds that are killed by windmills in any significant number (compared to their population) are some types of predator birds that often circle above the fields the windmills are in in "right" hight. And that is mainly a problem because they are already endangered.

Can you confirm that from your study?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2017 on: May 19, 2020, 10:17:50 AM »
Trump fired Linick, the State IG, last week. He was investigating Pompeo's use of a State Department staffer to walk his dogs and do his dishes, among other mundane domestic duties.

That's, apparently, ok (to Pompeo and Trump).

Quote from: Trump
And now I have you telling me about dog walking, washing dishes and, you know what, I'd rather have him on the phone with some world leader than have him wash dishes because maybe his wife isn't there or his kids aren't there, you know.

Besides the obvious sexism in that statement, why can't Pompeo hire a cleaner like everyone else has done before him? The IG thought it was unusual enough to investigate it.

All of these IG firings really show a loophole in our 3-tiered system of government.

... and also he hopes that the dog walker storyline sticks instead of the one in which Trump falsely declared an emergency to sell arms to the Saudis to drop bombs on Yemen, which congress expressly forbade him to do. The IG was also inspecting this and getting close.

Yes, a little more digging on my part revealed this. (Foxnews ignored the $8B Saudi deal to push the less-serious theft of services narrative.)

As I understand it, Linick was in the phase where the report release is imminent and when he releases a draft to the SoS. This would have spurred the SoS to call Trump to prevent its release.

The Senate has the power to curtail these firings but they're spineless.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2018 on: May 19, 2020, 10:42:35 AM »
Trump fired Linick, the State IG, last week. He was investigating Pompeo's use of a State Department staffer to walk his dogs and do his dishes, among other mundane domestic duties.

That's, apparently, ok (to Pompeo and Trump).

Quote from: Trump
And now I have you telling me about dog walking, washing dishes and, you know what, I'd rather have him on the phone with some world leader than have him wash dishes because maybe his wife isn't there or his kids aren't there, you know.

Besides the obvious sexism in that statement, why can't Pompeo hire a cleaner like everyone else has done before him? The IG thought it was unusual enough to investigate it.

All of these IG firings really show a loophole in our 3-tiered system of government.

... and also he hopes that the dog walker storyline sticks instead of the one in which Trump falsely declared an emergency to sell arms to the Saudis to drop bombs on Yemen, which congress expressly forbade him to do. The IG was also inspecting this and getting close.

Yes, a little more digging on my part revealed this. (Foxnews ignored the $8B Saudi deal to push the less-serious theft of services narrative.)

As I understand it, Linick was in the phase where the report release is imminent and when he releases a draft to the SoS. This would have spurred the SoS to call Trump to prevent its release.

The Senate has the power to curtail these firings but they're Republicanspineless.
FTFY

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2019 on: May 20, 2020, 09:06:50 AM »
U.S. taxpayers get to pay Donald Trump's hand-picked company (and political donor) to build an additional 42 miles of border wall for the low, low price of $1.2 Billion. That's only $30 million per mile of wall! And it will be painted black (at extra cost) per the President's (nonsensical) wishes, so there's that. The company is already under investigation for previous contracts that were awarded, and one of the company's co-owners went to prison for fraud and tax evasion, but no matter, let's award them more billion-dollar contracts.

https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2020/05/19/Fisher-Sand-Gravel-awarded-128B-for-border-wall-construction/5091589933625/

Did I say U.S. taxpayers are paying for the wall? I meant Mexico is paying for it.


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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2021 on: May 20, 2020, 02:53:56 PM »
You can add Nevada to that outrage as well. Interesting that he only seems to be targeting the battleground states.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2022 on: May 20, 2020, 03:03:40 PM »
It seems like a dangerous strategy that could create as much anger at Trump as it does the Democratic Governors.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2023 on: May 20, 2020, 03:17:36 PM »
Trump doesn't care. Anybody who isn't already angry at Trump will never be angry at Trump regardless of what he does.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2024 on: May 20, 2020, 06:25:17 PM »
Trump doesn't care. Anybody who isn't already angry at Trump will never be angry at Trump regardless of what he does.

This.  Exactly.

The converse is why the argument that hatred of Trump will drive his re-election is bullshit.  Anyone who isn't in his camp already isn't going to change their vote.  And the demographics of his base isn't in his favor.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2025 on: May 20, 2020, 08:05:41 PM »
Trump doesn't care. Anybody who isn't already angry at Trump will never be angry at Trump regardless of what he does.

This.  Exactly.

The converse is why the argument that hatred of Trump will drive his re-election is bullshit.  Anyone who isn't in his camp already isn't going to change their vote.  And the demographics of his base isn't in his favor.
Does he need them to switch, or just stay home?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2026 on: May 21, 2020, 06:35:10 AM »
There are plenty of ways to nullify the impact of Biden voters. Convince them to stay home because he's not Sanders. Make it harder for them to vote by closing polling places. Kill them with Corona or even just make them afraid of getting it.

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« Reply #2027 on: May 21, 2020, 06:56:09 AM »
It feels like that's more the strategy that they're going with doesn't it? Try to undermine the legitimacy of mail-in votes and/or kill the US Postal Service to limit voting by mail, suppress the vote in any way possible via scare tactics and forcing more in-person voting for those worried about covid-19, attempt to foster in-fighting between the Dems, hold sham trials against Obama & Biden, etc., etc. He has virtually nothing positive to run on this time, so he seems to be going back to the 2016 playbook and throwing in as much vote suppression as possible. Then if all else fails, he'll say it was rigged and attempt to call into question the results based on the "rampant voter fraud" associated with mail-in votes...which is also complete bullshit.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2028 on: May 21, 2020, 07:25:27 AM »
I've been reviewing the playbook from Florida in 2000. I think we're going to see that in every battleground state that has a Republican governor and Sec'y of state.

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« Reply #2029 on: May 21, 2020, 07:59:16 AM »
I've been reviewing the playbook from Florida in 2000. I think we're going to see that in every battleground state that has a Republican governor and Sec'y of state.
How so?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2030 on: May 21, 2020, 08:52:11 AM »
Who needs treaties with Russian when Putin is your bestie?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/21/us/politics/trump-open-skies-treaty-arms-control.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR1pqhZV217lswIGnr-frr9noDEQpu6LkjcUDFoktUjLcbwplrgAOZ7COCw

Dismantling the infrastructure of nuclear arms control is a bad idea. We should be continuing to work to control and reduce nukes, not reducing oversight.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2031 on: May 21, 2020, 09:43:11 AM »
I've been reviewing the playbook from Florida in 2000. I think we're going to see that in every battleground state that has a Republican governor and Sec'y of state.
How so?

Ambiguity of outcome. Nakedly partisan decisions from the secretary of state. Efforts to use public opinion to shift legal decisions. The Brooks brothers riot.

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« Reply #2032 on: May 21, 2020, 10:33:13 AM »
I've been reviewing the playbook from Florida in 2000. I think we're going to see that in every battleground state that has a Republican governor and Sec'y of state.
How so?

Ambiguity of outcome. Nakedly partisan decisions from the secretary of state. Efforts to use public opinion to shift legal decisions. The Brooks brothers riot.

I was out of the country during the whole 2000 election fiasco, so while I know Florida came down to a SCOTUS decision, I'm a little fuzzy on what 'playbook' the GOP used then, hence the question.  Thanks for the explanation.

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« Reply #2033 on: May 21, 2020, 11:35:19 AM »
I was a clueless college student in Texas while it happened, so I was too much affected by the pro-Bush side to grasp it, then. I simply thought Al Gore was an ungracious candidate who was trying to steal an election. But now, I've been listening to a "Luminary" podcast called "Fiasco" that really summarizes well areas in which the Bush team won important public opinion victories that led to the result, but had little to do with expressing the will of the voters.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2034 on: May 21, 2020, 12:37:20 PM »
Who needs treaties with Russian when Putin is your bestie?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/21/us/politics/trump-open-skies-treaty-arms-control.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR1pqhZV217lswIGnr-frr9noDEQpu6LkjcUDFoktUjLcbwplrgAOZ7COCw

Dismantling the infrastructure of nuclear arms control is a bad idea. We should be continuing to work to control and reduce nukes, not reducing oversight.

From the Reuters article on the Open Skies treaty + this administrations' plan to pull out --

  "The Open Skies treaty, proposed by U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower in 1955, was signed in 1992 and took effect in 2002. The idea is to let member nations make surveillance flights over each other’s countries to build trust.

The officials cited a years-long effort by Russia to violate the terms, such as by restricting U.S. overflights of Russia neighbor Georgia and its military enclave in Kaliningrad.

In addition, they said Russia has been using its own overflights of American and European territory to identify critical U.S. infrastructure for potential attack in a time of war.

Some experts worry that a U.S. exit from the treaty, which will halt Russian overflights of the United States, could prompt Moscow’s withdrawal, which would end overflights of Russia by the remaining members, weakening European security at a time that Russian-backed separatists are holding parts of Ukraine and Georgia.

Trump’s decision to leave the treaty is “premature and irresponsible,” said Daryl Kimball, the head of the Arms Control Association.

The 35 state parties to the Open Skies treaty are: Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Denmark (including Greenland), Estonia, Finland, France, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, the Russian Federation, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, Ukraine, the United Kingdom, and the United States.

Reporting By Steve Holland; additional reporting by Jonathan Landay; editing by David Gregorio"



Russian response about USA removing themselves - also from Reuters -

   "MOSCOW (Reuters) - The U.S. withdrawal from the Open Skies treaty will affect the interests of all of its participants, who are also members of NATO, RIA state news agency quoted Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko as saying on Thursday.

Russia has not violated the treaty and nothing prevents the continuation of talks on technical issues that the U.S. says are the violations by the Russian side, Grushko said.

The United States announced its intention on Thursday to withdraw from the 35-nation Open Skies treaty allowing unarmed surveillance flights over member countries, the Trump administration’s latest move to pull the country from a major global treaty. "


  ** So it took about 35 years for the Treaty to get written, aggreed to, and signed , after Eisenhowers' proposal - then another 10 years for the participants to work out their surveilance + hiding strategies and technologies. - And now 18 years of the treaty possibly working. And then the USA decides it is too limiting on themselves ?   Why else does a country remove themselves from a treaty ?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2035 on: May 21, 2020, 12:59:34 PM »
Trump usually seems to get rid of treaties to create a distraction from something illegal that he's working on.

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« Reply #2036 on: May 25, 2020, 12:21:20 PM »
Not saying I'm a fan of Jeff Sessions (the opposite)  but has Hell frozen over? I actually agree with Ann Coulter? (in response to Trump choosing to endorset R Tuberville over jeff Sessions, because Session recused himself from the Comey investigation)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8354535/Ann-Coulter-lashes-disloyal-actual-retard-Donald-Trump-Twitter-rant.html

Ann Coulter quotes: "I will never apologize for supporting the issues that candidate Trump advocated, but I am deeply sorry for thinking that this shallow and broken man would show even some remote fealty to the promises that got him elected.'"

'Sessions HAD to recuse himself, you complete blithering idiot. 'YOU did not have to go on Lester Holt's show and announce you fired Comey over the Russian investigation. That's what got you a Special Prosecutor.'

Sessions tweeted last week that Trump was 'fortunate' he had recused himself and preserved the rule of law that had eventually exonerated the president in the Russia investigation.
Coulter responded to Sessions' tweet, saying: 'Observe: a gentleman - and a MAN, not a whining, blame-shifting, gigantic fruitcake.'
 also called Trump "the most disloyal actual retard that has ever set foot in the Oval Office.”

I mean when will Trump's followers learn that Trump only cares about himself? Sessions was the ultimate bootlicker but it doesn't matter to Trump because he is too stupid to understand he shouldn't bite the hand that feeds him.
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« Reply #2037 on: May 25, 2020, 06:07:08 PM »
While I enjoy hearing Coulter calling out Trump’s many faults, her word choice is despicable.  She just throws her own schoolyard insults tinged with homophobia and intolerance: he is a ‘fruitcake’ and ‘retard’.  He is not a [real] ‘MAN’.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2038 on: May 25, 2020, 06:39:29 PM »
While I enjoy hearing Coulter calling out Trump’s many faults, her word choice is despicable.  She just throws her own schoolyard insults tinged with homophobia and intolerance: he is a ‘fruitcake’ and ‘retard’.  He is not a [real] ‘MAN’.

Yeah, she is garbage.

Which is sobering, to realize our president is even worse than she is.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2039 on: May 26, 2020, 04:02:11 AM »
While I enjoy hearing Coulter calling out Trump’s many faults, her word choice is despicable.  She just throws her own schoolyard insults tinged with homophobia and intolerance: he is a ‘fruitcake’ and ‘retard’.  He is not a [real] ‘MAN’.

I'm totally down with calling someone a fruitcake. It's been around as a term for a nutter for a hell of lot longer than Rechy and his fruit salad.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2040 on: May 26, 2020, 06:29:26 AM »
When Coulter says something correct (It was reported she spoke to President-elect Trump, telling him that "No one may have told you this, but you can't just be hiring your family members") she should be acknowledged. It'll mean you spend a lot less time discussing her than when you acknowledge the many incorrect things she says.

Pretty busy weekend for the President, though, with eighteen holes of gold and eighteen outrageous twitter statements.

I can say--here in Charlotte--almost everyone I encounter day to day is a Republican. NONE of them wanted the convention to happen here, or to be anywhere near the city when it does.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2041 on: May 26, 2020, 07:52:06 AM »
I think it was actually 36 holes of golf, and almost too many tweets/subtweets/retweets to count.

I was curious how people of North Carolina would react to Trump's threats to pull the convention. For a man who is going to need to scrape together every little vote he can get to even sniff re-election, he sure is pissing on a lot of swing state voters lately

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« Reply #2042 on: May 26, 2020, 08:34:06 AM »
I think the conventional wisdom is that the RNC and DNC select convention sites in battleground states as a way to build energy in that state.

In 2016, the Republicans held their convention in Cleveland, OH, and Trump won the state comfortably. The DNC held their convention in Philadelphia. I wonder how many more Pennsylvania votes Clinton could have found by holding a second convention in the state, perhaps as a way to mitigate the impact of the Wikileaks release that made the Sanders supporters feel so slighted on the eve of that first convention.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2043 on: May 26, 2020, 10:46:39 AM »
I think the conventional wisdom is that the RNC and DNC select convention sites in battleground states as a way to build energy in that state.

In 2016, the Republicans held their convention in Cleveland, OH, and Trump won the state comfortably. The DNC held their convention in Philadelphia. I wonder how many more Pennsylvania votes Clinton could have found by holding a second convention in the state, perhaps as a way to mitigate the impact of the Wikileaks release that made the Sanders supporters feel so slighted on the eve of that first convention.

Numerous statewide Polls are showing over the last two months that Ohio is a statistical dead heat. That means Trump's 8% victory margin has eroded. What stands out more is the number of Ohioans who say they will absolutely vote against Trump (44.7%) verse those who will absolutely vote for him (34.6%). That's a 10% margin. There are still many undecideds of course and anything can happen. But just goes to show you even with the easy win Trump pulled out in Ohio isn't looking so easy this year. The grumblings around the state are that DeWine has done a very good job with the pandemic and Trump has been all over the place and way to partisan and whiny.

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« Reply #2044 on: May 26, 2020, 12:48:22 PM »
Ohio always seems so gettable to Democrats. It disappointed them in 2004, and it was out of reach in 2016.

If Biden wins it, he's probably winning so many places it won't matter.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2045 on: May 26, 2020, 01:08:14 PM »
While I enjoy hearing Coulter calling out Trump’s many faults, her word choice is despicable.  She just throws her own schoolyard insults tinged with homophobia and intolerance: he is a ‘fruitcake’ and ‘retard’.  He is not a [real] ‘MAN’.

I'm totally down with calling someone a fruitcake. It's been around as a term for a nutter for a hell of lot longer than Rechy and his fruit salad.

Perhaps it has a different meaning in New Zealand.  Here it’s often used as a derogatory term for a homosexual, e.g. “he’s a fruitcake, a faggot, a queer’.

I definitely would not allow one of my students to refer to another as a “fruitcake”.

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« Reply #2046 on: May 26, 2020, 01:34:31 PM »
Ohio always seems so gettable to Democrats. It disappointed them in 2004, and it was out of reach in 2016.

If Biden wins it, he's probably winning so many places it won't matter.

The only Dems to win statewide in Ohio since 2008 are Obama and Sherrod Brown.  Until the population losses in the rural areas increase more, it's a very reddish state for now.  Population is increasing a lot in Columbus (heavily Dem area) and Cincinnati (Dem, but only slightly).

On the list of needed & winnable states, it probably goes:
-Pennsylvania
-Michigan
-North Carolina
-Wisconsin, Arizona, Florida
-Georgia
-Texas, Ohio

as my uneducated list, in terms of "gettability."  It may go Dem, but it's far down the list of where the resources are going to go.  PA, MI, NC, AZ are all much more likely to flip and WI and FL are virtual 50/50s.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2047 on: May 26, 2020, 02:14:17 PM »
While I enjoy hearing Coulter calling out Trump’s many faults, her word choice is despicable.  She just throws her own schoolyard insults tinged with homophobia and intolerance: he is a ‘fruitcake’ and ‘retard’.  He is not a [real] ‘MAN’.

I'm totally down with calling someone a fruitcake. It's been around as a term for a nutter for a hell of lot longer than Rechy and his fruit salad.

Perhaps it has a different meaning in New Zealand.  Here it’s often used as a derogatory term for a homosexual, e.g. “he’s a fruitcake, a faggot, a queer’.

I definitely would not allow one of my students to refer to another as a “fruitcake”.

I know we are going OT but to me fruitcake is still a nut case.  Because good fruitcakes have got nuts in them?  I won't miss this subversion as much as I miss gay, because there really is no one word replacement for the 40s/50s meaning of gay.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #2048 on: May 26, 2020, 02:24:08 PM »
Just off track a little more, if you are a Brit of certain years, a faggot was a non derogatory term for a foodstuff once.

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« Reply #2049 on: May 26, 2020, 02:28:07 PM »
Just off track a little more, if you are a Brit of certain years, a faggot was a non derogatory term for a foodstuff once.

Y'all ate cigarettes?!