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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1150 on: February 27, 2020, 01:00:13 PM »
the thing is, I find all of this extremely predictable.
Not COVID-19 per se. But the resulting dysfunction that results from gutting most agencies, and failing or refusing to install permanent directors.

Try to view this in the abstract.  If an executive of a large fortune 500 company started shutting down entire offices, installing "yes-men" in key posts and pushing out huge numbers of life-time employees with decades of experience... you would expect that company to have serious problems in teh short term.

What concerns me is that the bench is so incredibly thin.  We've got Mike Pence leading an epidemic response team?  Really?? 
 Mulvaney is trying to be both Chief of Staff and Director of Office and Management (a department he tried to eliminate)?? Haley left her post at the UN and it took around a year to fill.
Kushner has something like four titles with zero experience across all of them...

bottom line, if you put inexperienced people in positions, you get bad results.  When you don't put anyone at all, the entire department goes adrift.

There are a wealth of conservative-minded and highly experienced people we could have running all of these offices, and that would be preferable to what we've got - a ship without power and not under command.

FWIW now seems like the perfect time for Kim Jung Un or Putin to get away with all sorts of shenanigans.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1151 on: February 27, 2020, 01:09:26 PM »
Kim Jong Un is too close to China, geographically and economically. This must be threatening to N Korea.

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« Reply #1152 on: February 27, 2020, 01:26:45 PM »
Kim Jong Un is too close to China, geographically and economically. This must be threatening to N Korea.

I do wonder what's going on in the "Secret Kingdom".
On one hand, their extreme isolationism and ability to wall themselves off could save them from any infections.  OTOH they could have a full-blown epidemic and we'd learn about it months (or years) later.

On a similar note, saw something on the AP about how several senior-level Iranian officials are coming down with the illness.  So that's.... interesting.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1153 on: February 27, 2020, 03:41:37 PM »
Kim Jong Un is too close to China, geographically and economically. This must be threatening to N Korea.

I do wonder what's going on in the "Secret Kingdom".
On one hand, their extreme isolationism and ability to wall themselves off could save them from any infections.  OTOH they could have a full-blown epidemic and we'd learn about it months (or years) later.

On a similar note, saw something on the AP about how several senior-level Iranian officials are coming down with the illness.  So that's.... interesting.
Reminds me of the chapter on N Korea in World War Z

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1154 on: March 11, 2020, 03:55:18 AM »
Not so much an outrage of the day as something which is daily enraging.

Has anyone else noticed that in the COVID19 press briefings, whether or not Trump is there in person, a large part of what is said is a verbal genuflect to the all-wise and all-knowing Trump?  Not just Pence or even the political appointees, but going down into the experts who are permanent staff?

I'm assuming that their view is that if they don't go through these verbal genuflections then their jobs are at risk.

It's the same thing with the visuals: Trump at the CDC spouting lies about the science and presumably otherwise sensible people are standing behind him and just accepting it all.

No wonder the USA response to the emergency has been so poor: Trump has bullied his way into stopping people from telling the truth and doing the right thing in case they get fired for making him look bad.  Sorry my American friends, you are fucked.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1155 on: March 11, 2020, 06:39:33 AM »
Not so much an outrage of the day as something which is daily enraging.

Has anyone else noticed that in the COVID19 press briefings, whether or not Trump is there in person, a large part of what is said is a verbal genuflect to the all-wise and all-knowing Trump?  Not just Pence or even the political appointees, but going down into the experts who are permanent staff?

I'm assuming that their view is that if they don't go through these verbal genuflections then their jobs are at risk.

It's the same thing with the visuals: Trump at the CDC spouting lies about the science and presumably otherwise sensible people are standing behind him and just accepting it all.

No wonder the USA response to the emergency has been so poor: Trump has bullied his way into stopping people from telling the truth and doing the right thing in case they get fired for making him look bad.  Sorry my American friends, you are fucked.

Yes, we are. Your assessment of the verbal genuflecting and its cause seems to be correct. My only hope is that experts like Fauci are willing to flatter him on camera so that they have more freedom behind the scenes. It’s a very faint hope.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1156 on: March 11, 2020, 07:18:23 AM »
It's classic "How to keep the peace with a malignant narcissist" behavior.

Fortunately more than half of us (including government employees on all levels) see through this. Hopefully the impact of covid-19 (which I suspect will be great here in the U.S. in the next few weeks) will be a wake up call that will eventually help us "right the ship" and start electing good candidates again. Assuming we will still be allowed to vote.

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« Reply #1157 on: March 11, 2020, 07:19:38 AM »
Pence literally began his briefing by praising “our great leader.”

After three years the survivors of his administration have learned that for their own job security they must always publicly praise Trump.  No amount Is excessive.  This fits in nicely with Trump’s lifetime strategy of always promoting whatever he was selling, regardless of the circumstances or the truth.  Trump casino was always “the most glamorous, most successful in the world” even when it was bleeding money and could never hold a candle to the marquee-casinos in Monte Carlo or Vegas.   The phone call with Ukraine was “perfect”, Trump wine was “the best” (ironic coming from  a teetotaler), etc.

Always praise, never back down, hit back at anyone who doesn’t the brand-line.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1158 on: March 11, 2020, 08:36:58 AM »
This necessary verbal praise of Trump is part of what bothers me so much.

I'm a Republican voter in the primaries, and every contest--even if Trump is not around--is a race to prove that you were pro-Trump sooner and stronger than the other guys. Every. Damn. Contest.

And what does Trump give people in exchange for all of this fealty?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjR4ffG0pLoAhWMg-AKHcyUCj0QFjAGegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonexaminer.com%2Fnews%2Ftrump-endorses-jeff-sessions-republican-rival-in-alabama-runoff-election&usg=AOvVaw1gBg5z5hxAXXpJhwMp--wy

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1159 on: March 11, 2020, 08:59:11 AM »
This necessary verbal praise of Trump is part of what bothers me so much.

I'm a Republican voter in the primaries, and every contest--even if Trump is not around--is a race to prove that you were pro-Trump sooner and stronger than the other guys. Every. Damn. Contest.

And what does Trump give people in exchange for all of this fealty?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjR4ffG0pLoAhWMg-AKHcyUCj0QFjAGegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonexaminer.com%2Fnews%2Ftrump-endorses-jeff-sessions-republican-rival-in-alabama-runoff-election&usg=AOvVaw1gBg5z5hxAXXpJhwMp--wy

As far as non-Executive-branch politicians go, I think you're confusing cause and effect. Executive employees are fanning his narcissism to keep from getting fired, sure. But the other politicians are doing it because that's what the Republican voter base demands.

The average Republican voter loves Trump and thinks he's doing a fantastic job. Republicans literally rate him as the best president ever, and even more so that Trump represents their views better than anyone else. And so the Republican politicians fawn over him and refuse to cross him, because otherwise they wouldn't have a hope of winning their next primary.

Will that change if he loses in 2020? I don't know. If it doesn't are you really a "Republican" if you don't agree with the core of "Republicanism" as they themselves define it today?
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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1160 on: March 11, 2020, 09:17:26 AM »
Not so much an outrage of the day as something which is daily enraging.

Has anyone else noticed that in the COVID19 press briefings, whether or not Trump is there in person, a large part of what is said is a verbal genuflect to the all-wise and all-knowing Trump?  Not just Pence or even the political appointees, but going down into the experts who are permanent staff?

I'm assuming that their view is that if they don't go through these verbal genuflections then their jobs are at risk.

It's the same thing with the visuals: Trump at the CDC spouting lies about the science and presumably otherwise sensible people are standing behind him and just accepting it all.

No wonder the USA response to the emergency has been so poor: Trump has bullied his way into stopping people from telling the truth and doing the right thing in case they get fired for making him look bad.  Sorry my American friends, you are fucked.

Probably indicates a sad lack of FU money among government officials.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1161 on: March 11, 2020, 12:04:35 PM »
FU money is often present in cases in which the person doesn't wish to advance within the group. It may be easy to confuse the one with the other.

When Mitt Romney voted for removal in the impeachment trial, a lot of people said he could do that because he's rich. Suppose it was actually because he was already a Senator with no hope of being a viable Presidential candidate again. Wouldn't that look like the same? If only there was a poor Senator at some time who took an equivalent principled stand, we could compare. (Newsflash: it's hard to find a poor Senator)

Indeed opposing Trump seems to be a guarantee that you cannot advance within the conservative political class.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1162 on: March 11, 2020, 12:31:18 PM »
When Mitt Romney voted for removal in the impeachment trial, a lot of people said he could do that because he's rich. Suppose it was actually because he was already a Senator with no hope of being a viable Presidential candidate again. Wouldn't that look like the same? If only there was a poor Senator at some time who took an equivalent principled stand, we could compare. (Newsflash: it's hard to find a poor Senator)

His seat is also safe. Trump called Mormonism an "alien" faith and compared shutting down Muslim mosques to shutting down Mormon temples.

In other words, anyone that Trump endorses in a race against Romney won't go over well among Mormons.

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Indeed opposing Trump seems to be a guarantee that you cannot advance within the conservative political class.

Only those on their way out, like Flake or Hurd, feel free to criticize Trump.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1163 on: March 11, 2020, 01:03:24 PM »
When Mitt Romney voted for removal in the impeachment trial, a lot of people said he could do that because he's rich. Suppose it was actually because he was already a Senator with no hope of being a viable Presidential candidate again. Wouldn't that look like the same? If only there was a poor Senator at some time who took an equivalent principled stand, we could compare. (Newsflash: it's hard to find a poor Senator)

His seat is also safe. Trump called Mormonism an "alien" faith and compared shutting down Muslim mosques to shutting down Mormon temples.

In other words, anyone that Trump endorses in a race against Romney won't go over well among Mormons.

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Indeed opposing Trump seems to be a guarantee that you cannot advance within the conservative political class.

Only those on their way out, like Flake or Hurd, feel free to criticize Trump.
Mormonism has always been the red headed step-child of Christianity here in the US (a bit ironically, given its roots in Pennsylvania and Utah.

The intolerance within the GOP of moderate or dissenting opinions has - in the short term - allowed them to hold on to power despite shifting demographics and a minority of votes in federal elections.  But its likely to hurt them longer term as the party becomes more uniform while the country becomes more diverse.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1164 on: March 12, 2020, 08:38:15 AM »
I did not find the Wednesday night speech reassuring. The policies don't seem like they're the right ones, and there wasn't a sense of calm that I sure hoped for.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1165 on: March 12, 2020, 08:48:14 AM »
I agree. I missed the beginning, but did he mention anything about test kits at all? That seems to be the most immediate issue right now.

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« Reply #1166 on: March 12, 2020, 08:50:47 AM »
I did not find the Wednesday night speech reassuring. The policies don't seem like they're the right ones, and there wasn't a sense of calm that I sure hoped for.

Trump has always been one to fight, never to calm. Every single one of his predecessors have had to address some crisis and instill a sense of calm. This wasn't that.  Of course, his reaction to all the other crises have also gone over like a lead balloon.

Telling everyone that "I took the most unprecedented actions ever" while just last week he was tweeting that this was no big deal, a hoax, much less than the flu doesn't exactly win hearts and minds.

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« Reply #1167 on: March 12, 2020, 09:27:15 AM »
I did not find the Wednesday night speech reassuring. The policies don't seem like they're the right ones, and there wasn't a sense of calm that I sure hoped for.

Trump has always been one to fight, never to calm. Every single one of his predecessors have had to address some crisis and instill a sense of calm. This wasn't that.  Of course, his reaction to all the other crises have also gone over like a lead balloon.

Telling everyone that "I took the most unprecedented actions ever" while just last week he was tweeting that this was no big deal, a hoax, much less than the flu doesn't exactly win hearts and minds.

Also not reassuring: the backpedaling the Trump administration has done since last night's speech. Trump was clearly squinting to read a teleprompter, and he still didn't have the facts straight.

https://www.newsandguts.com/video/the-scramble-to-clarify-donald-trumps-coronavirus-address/?fbclid=IwAR0FnfUW5Uv3YZKGg-IToCr5Lg_Sk44cQnnTRH5-cle1SpMXHQ0DSvQoA4E (Includes interview with Pence from this morning)

In the video, Pence (who also appears to be out of his element and trying to play both sides) repeatedly mentions the names of private testing labs. Is he trying to drive up their stock prices?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1168 on: March 12, 2020, 09:37:04 AM »

Also not reassuring: the backpedaling the Trump administration has done since last night's speech. Trump was clearly squinting to read a teleprompter, and he still didn't have the facts straight.


Meh - I'd squint to read a teleprompter.  Frankly I don't care if our president is bat-blind or a quadriplegic.  I'll judge him/her on policies and actions (both of which I find extremely lacking/objectionable with our current leader).


In the video, Pence (who also appears to be out of his element and trying to play both sides) repeatedly mentions the names of private testing labs. Is he trying to drive up their stock prices?
Man I hope they aren't *that* stupid to try insider trading.  Want a bona-fide way of giving the public a glimpse at your finances?  Violate the SEC laws.  My read is that this is another one of Trump's heavy-handed tactics to get other executives to say nice things about him and his response.  "tell everyone how great the leadership has been and we'll mention your company on air!".  Generate positive buzz. He is forever stuck in "sell" mode.
Of course he loves the converse too - be even remotely critical and he'll use the bully pulpet (and EOs and large contracts) like a cudgel.  See his reason to Amazon (Bezos), or earleir to FB or Apple.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1169 on: March 12, 2020, 10:26:21 AM »
I did not find the Wednesday night speech reassuring. The policies don't seem like they're the right ones, and there wasn't a sense of calm that I sure hoped for.

I’m in London at the moment, and we woke up to this news this morning.

Trump’s speech and his announcement about blocking travel to and from the EU was the first time my husband and I actually had some minutes of irrational panic.

So, yeah. Not exactly the calm, steadying leadership one would hope for from the US president.

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« Reply #1170 on: March 12, 2020, 10:46:36 AM »
I did not find the Wednesday night speech reassuring. The policies don't seem like they're the right ones, and there wasn't a sense of calm that I sure hoped for.

I’m in London at the moment, and we woke up to this news this morning.

Trump’s speech and his announcement about blocking travel to and from the EU was the first time my husband and I actually had some minutes of irrational panic.

So, yeah. Not exactly the calm, steadying leadership one would hope for from the US president.

What get me is that Trump never consulted or even notified the leaders of these European countries.  We're fighting a pandemic, and yet he's leaving the world in the dark.  Instead of some orderly and effective restrictions on travel we get market panic and a crap-ton of uncertainty.  In his speech my jaw just aboiut hit the floor when he said we were going to stop all cargo as well as people.  Turns out even that wasn't correct (cargo will continue to go back and forth - just not people).


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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1171 on: March 12, 2020, 11:05:32 AM »
But, you know, her emails...

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1172 on: March 12, 2020, 11:10:43 AM »
I did not find the Wednesday night speech reassuring. The policies don't seem like they're the right ones, and there wasn't a sense of calm that I sure hoped for.

I’m in London at the moment, and we woke up to this news this morning.

Trump’s speech and his announcement about blocking travel to and from the EU was the first time my husband and I actually had some minutes of irrational panic.

So, yeah. Not exactly the calm, steadying leadership one would hope for from the US president.

What get me is that Trump never consulted or even notified the leaders of these European countries.  We're fighting a pandemic, and yet he's leaving the world in the dark.  Instead of some orderly and effective restrictions on travel we get market panic and a crap-ton of uncertainty.  In his speech my jaw just aboiut hit the floor when he said we were going to stop all cargo as well as people.  Turns out even that wasn't correct (cargo will continue to go back and forth - just not people).

Yes, I remarked that to my husband, too. All of this was stuff that should have been talked through with other world leaders, so as to avoid maximum chaos and disruption.

There is no way at all Trump did that.

What a mess.

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« Reply #1173 on: March 12, 2020, 11:13:12 AM »
But, you know, her emails...
Yeah, speaking of which, I'm shocked (shocked!!) that Trump never issued an apology after "his" State Department concluded that there was no deliberate mishandling of classified information, and while "improper" it did not conclude that any criminal activity had taken place and no further punishment nor inquiry was warranted.

I mean, it was such a big deal at the time... why wasn't Fox all over this??
/sarcasm.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/state-department-probe-of-clinton-emails-finds-no-deliberate-mishandling-of-classified-information/2019/10/18/83339446-f1dc-11e9-8693-f487e46784aa_story.html

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1174 on: March 13, 2020, 04:43:38 AM »
I did not find the Wednesday night speech reassuring. The policies don't seem like they're the right ones, and there wasn't a sense of calm that I sure hoped for.

Trump has always been one to fight, never to calm. Every single one of his predecessors have had to address some crisis and instill a sense of calm. This wasn't that.  Of course, his reaction to all the other crises have also gone over like a lead balloon.

Telling everyone that "I took the most unprecedented actions ever" while just last week he was tweeting that this was no big deal, a hoax, much less than the flu doesn't exactly win hearts and minds.

It appears to be his personality that he can't say anything that doesn't begin or end with "I'm awesome and it's all about me."  It's like those memes that start off with:

Nobody:...

Literally Nobody...

President Trump: I need to take credit for this.

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« Reply #1175 on: March 13, 2020, 05:29:46 AM »
I did not find the Wednesday night speech reassuring. The policies don't seem like they're the right ones, and there wasn't a sense of calm that I sure hoped for.

Trump has always been one to fight, never to calm. Every single one of his predecessors have had to address some crisis and instill a sense of calm. This wasn't that.  Of course, his reaction to all the other crises have also gone over like a lead balloon.

Telling everyone that "I took the most unprecedented actions ever" while just last week he was tweeting that this was no big deal, a hoax, much less than the flu doesn't exactly win hearts and minds.

It appears to be his personality that he can't say anything that doesn't begin or end with "I'm awesome and it's all about me."  It's like those memes that start off with:

Nobody:...

Literally Nobody...

President Trump: I need to take credit for this.

Memes hmm??

Nothing can stop Trump from saying "it was me!", except a Chuck Noris Roundhouse Kick(tm).

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1176 on: March 13, 2020, 06:59:41 AM »
Chuck Norris is the real deal. Wonder why he hasn't stopped this corona virus yet.

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« Reply #1177 on: March 13, 2020, 07:41:16 AM »
Chuck Norris is the real deal. Wonder why he hasn't stopped this corona virus yet.

Google tells me he's 80.  High risk group.  Better to become the master, training the next generation of fighters. 

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« Reply #1178 on: March 13, 2020, 08:12:21 AM »
Chuck Norris is the real deal. Wonder why he hasn't stopped this corona virus yet.

Google tells me he's 80.  High risk group.  Better to become the master, training the next generation of fighters.

That's 80 years of training for this moment. You're right, corona virus would be taking a risk to infect Chuck Norris.

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« Reply #1179 on: March 13, 2020, 11:23:04 AM »
Disturbing statement from POTUS about invoking the Stafford act:

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"We have very strong emergency powers under the Stafford Act," Trump told reporters in the Oval Office on Thursday. "I have it memorized, practically, as to the powers in that act. And if I need to do something, I'll do it. I have the right to do a lot of things that people don't even know about."

Source: Explainer: What Happens if Trump Declares Coronavirus an Emergency? (NY Times)

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1180 on: March 13, 2020, 11:37:26 AM »
Chuck Norris is the real deal. Wonder why he hasn't stopped this corona virus yet.

Google tells me he's 80.  High risk group.  Better to become the master, training the next generation of fighters.

That's 80 years of training for this moment. You're right, corona virus would be taking a risk to infect Chuck Norris.

80.75 years of training.  Chuck was roundhouse kicking for nine months in the womb.

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« Reply #1181 on: March 13, 2020, 05:12:37 PM »
Chuck Norris caught the coronavirus. He let it go.

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« Reply #1182 on: March 13, 2020, 06:44:49 PM »
Chuck Norris caught the coronavirus. He let it go.
Lol!  What an asshole!

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« Reply #1183 on: March 13, 2020, 10:12:43 PM »
the thing is, I find all of this extremely predictable.
Not COVID-19 per se. But the resulting dysfunction that results from gutting most agencies, and failing or refusing to install permanent directors.
What you say makes sense, but consider: Hurricane Katrina. The relief effort was a complete clusterfuck, with refugee Americans treated like enemy civilians of an occupying power. And there were plenty of well-funded agencies with permanent directors.

There is something fundamentally wrong with your systems, not merely the individuals in those systems, or how much money they have to toss around. Having 16,000 separate law enforcement agencies, as one example, perhaps isn't ideal, there's going to be duplication of effort, and criminals will slip into the gaps between those agencies. Now turn from law enforcement to health, and consider how many different states and counties and cities and federal government agencies and private insurance companies and so on and so forth are involved.

Drumpf is no doubt an idiot. But you can't lay this particular clusterfuck on him. It's a fundamental part of being a modern American.

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« Reply #1184 on: March 14, 2020, 07:36:15 AM »
Trump is absolutely responsible for propagating misinformation that affects millions of lives. By choosing not to test for fear of how the numbers would affect his chances at election time, he cost us valuable time. We have no chance of containment since the virus has been spreading unchecked in the US for almost 2 months. By telling people it was no worse than the flu and would be gone by April and was the democrats next hoax, he led people into a false sense of security and they continued their lives as usual allowing the virus to spread.

He is absolutely culpable. Here's a few of his tweets to demonstrate (copied from Jared Levy)

January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”

February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”

February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”

February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”

February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”

February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”

March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”

March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”

March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”

March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”

March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”

March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”

March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”

March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”

March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”

March 9: “This blindsided the world.”

March 11: “We’re having to fix a problem that four weeks ago nobody ever thought would be a problem.”

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1185 on: March 14, 2020, 11:00:24 AM »
Trump is absolutely responsible for propagating misinformation that affects millions of lives. By choosing not to test for fear of how the numbers would affect his chances at election time, he cost us valuable time. We have no chance of containment since the virus has been spreading unchecked in the US for almost 2 months. By telling people it was no worse than the flu and would be gone by April and was the democrats next hoax, he led people into a false sense of security and they continued their lives as usual allowing the virus to spread.

He is absolutely culpable. Here's a few of his tweets to demonstrate (copied from Jared Levy)

January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”

February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”

February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”

February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”

February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”

February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”

March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”

March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”

March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”

March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”

March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”

March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”

March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”

March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”

March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”

March 9: “This blindsided the world.”

March 11: “We’re having to fix a problem that four weeks ago nobody ever thought would be a problem.”

He can’t open his mouth without lying.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1186 on: March 14, 2020, 11:21:30 AM »
Possibly, "I don't take responsibility for anything" is the most honest thing he's said since "grab 'em by the pussy, you can do anything" or "I love the poorly educated."

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1187 on: March 14, 2020, 05:12:44 PM »
In the speech yesterday, where a national emergency was announced, Trump announced a coronavirus website from Google ("over 1700 engineers" working on it!) that would be built faster than other websites were built in the past.

It turns out that the website workflow image is from the State of California, which has been working on the site with Google, as a state resource. In no way is it a White House initiative nor is it a nationwide site.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1188 on: March 14, 2020, 06:29:54 PM »
In the speech yesterday, where a national emergency was announced, Trump announced a coronavirus website from Google ("over 1700 engineers" working on it!) that would be built faster than other websites were built in the past.

It turns out that the website workflow image is from the State of California, which has been working on the site with Google, as a state resource. In no way is it a White House initiative nor is it a nationwide site.

What website needs over a thousand engineers? 

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1189 on: March 14, 2020, 06:50:00 PM »
In the speech yesterday, where a national emergency was announced, Trump announced a coronavirus website from Google ("over 1700 engineers" working on it!) that would be built faster than other websites were built in the past.

It turns out that the website workflow image is from the State of California, which has been working on the site with Google, as a state resource. In no way is it a White House initiative nor is it a nationwide site.

What website needs over a thousand engineers?
Maybe these examples:

"Analysis by the Reuters news agency in mid-October stated that the total contract-based cost of building HealthCare.gov swelled threefold from its initial estimate of $93.7 million to about $292 million.[9] In August 2014, the Office of Inspector General released a report finding that the cost of the HealthCare.gov website had reached $1.7 billion.[14] As pointed out later by commentators such as Mark Steyn, the CGI company has already been embroiled in a mid-2000s controversy before over contract payments. While devising the Canadian Firearms Registry, estimated costs of $2 million ballooned to about $2 billion."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HealthCare.gov

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1190 on: March 15, 2020, 05:25:58 AM »
In the speech yesterday, where a national emergency was announced, Trump announced a coronavirus website from Google ("over 1700 engineers" working on it!) that would be built faster than other websites were built in the past.

It turns out that the website workflow image is from the State of California, which has been working on the site with Google, as a state resource. In no way is it a White House initiative nor is it a nationwide site.

What website needs over a thousand engineers?
Obviously a website that the Greatest and Most Stable President of All Times wants to show off as his work. If it were just a dozen putting together existing APIs with a bit of eye candy, you obviously can't say that you have done all that is possible!!

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1191 on: March 15, 2020, 05:50:54 AM »
btw. According to several German media, Trump is trying to buy up a possible vaccine (still research level) by a company named CureVac (Tübingen) exclusivly for the US.

Or in other words, he wants to shine: See, only here in the US, with me as president, we have a cure!

It is hard to not feel his test should have ended up positive.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1192 on: March 15, 2020, 07:35:01 AM »
In the speech yesterday, where a national emergency was announced, Trump announced a coronavirus website from Google ("over 1700 engineers" working on it!) that would be built faster than other websites were built in the past.

It turns out that the website workflow image is from the State of California, which has been working on the site with Google, as a state resource. In no way is it a White House initiative nor is it a nationwide site.

What website needs over a thousand engineers?
Maybe these examples:

"Analysis by the Reuters news agency in mid-October stated that the total contract-based cost of building HealthCare.gov swelled threefold from its initial estimate of $93.7 million to about $292 million.[9] In August 2014, the Office of Inspector General released a report finding that the cost of the HealthCare.gov website had reached $1.7 billion.[14] As pointed out later by commentators such as Mark Steyn, the CGI company has already been embroiled in a mid-2000s controversy before over contract payments. While devising the Canadian Firearms Registry, estimated costs of $2 million ballooned to about $2 billion."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HealthCare.gov

Yeah those government IT projects are a bad joke.      We had another after the firearms registry.    The feds decided to modernize their payroll system.    Now payroll systems are something every company in the world is able to do successfully.     There are many companies who will outsource your payroll system in a turnkey manner.    Straightforward stuff.

It's been 4 years, and the new payroll system is still fscked.     So far costs are in the $1B range.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1193 on: March 16, 2020, 07:33:07 AM »
A big chunk of the reason we're even here is the failed lunch of healthcare.gov the weekend before the 2014 midterm.

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« Reply #1194 on: March 16, 2020, 07:56:26 AM »
A big chunk of the reason we're even here is the failed lunch of healthcare.gov the weekend before the 2014 midterm.

What do you mean?  Can you elaborate?

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1195 on: March 16, 2020, 10:01:29 AM »
Reviewing recent American History, several two-term Presidents lost congress in the midterm elections before their seventh year in office.

Obama's losing the Senate in 2014 led to the remarkable gambit by Mitch McConnel to refuse a vote on Merrick Garland for a SCOTUS seat, which--I'd argue--was a major ingredient allowing Trump to win the 2016 election.

And what was in the news the weekend before that 2014 election? The botched rollout of Healthcare.gov

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« Reply #1196 on: March 16, 2020, 11:47:10 AM »
Reviewing recent American History, several two-term Presidents lost congress in the midterm elections before their seventh year in office.

Obama's losing the Senate in 2014 led to the remarkable gambit by Mitch McConnel to refuse a vote on Merrick Garland for a SCOTUS seat, which--I'd argue--was a major ingredient allowing Trump to win the 2016 election.

And what was in the news the weekend before that 2014 election? The botched rollout of Healthcare.gov

Gotcha.  Neither agree nor disagree, but interesting premise.  At the time I was living abroad, so most of the news that filtered to us was "how can the Americans possibly not manage government health insurance - all the cool G-20 kids have been doing it for years..."  From a detached perspective the whole thing just seemed surreal.

Mitch is an interesting case.  By going nuclear and refusing to allow Garland up for a vote he ratcheted up partisan politicans beyond what we had seen in  100 years.  I know lots of Republicans that are patting themselves on the back for those manuevers, but I fear it will bite them in the ass in the decades to come if/when they don't hold the Senate majority and the Dems do the same damn thing to them.

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1197 on: March 16, 2020, 03:34:23 PM »

Gotcha.  Neither agree nor disagree, but interesting premise.  At the time I was living abroad, so most of the news that filtered to us was "how can the Americans possibly not manage government health insurance - all the cool G-20 kids have been doing it for years..."  From a detached perspective the whole thing just seemed surreal.
LOL now do that tenfold and you have the average European looking at Trump and everything around him.
I mean: Corrupt? That is part of the job description. Inept? Plenty of them. Shortsighted idiot? Yeah, sometimes those became ministers, because of party politics. Assholes? Sometimes those crop up too, because of voter politics.

But everything in one package and magnified? And half of the people love that guy for whatever unfathomable reason?
Oh come on!

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1198 on: March 16, 2020, 04:30:50 PM »
btw. According to several German media, Trump is trying to buy up a possible vaccine (still research level) by a company named CureVac (Tübingen) exclusivly for the US.

Or in other words, he wants to shine: See, only here in the US, with me as president, we have a cure!

It is hard to not feel his test should have ended up positive.

I find it difficult to express how angry this makes me. The rest of the world are trying to cooperate, China is sending medical equipment to anyone who needs it, and we are all spending large sums of money on vaccine and medicine development to save us all. We are currently starting to spend the Norwegian oil fund, and will probably pay to get more medicine produced locally. But that is to give our inhabitants what they need, not to keep other countries from getting what they need.

If the US leaders success in this, the blame goes to the US as a whole. This is not something a moral human being would accept happening. (And yes; I accept the blame for closing our borders to refugees. It is and will always be a black spot on my conscience, and I will do my best to help change that policy and make up for the suffering it causes).

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Re: Trump outrage of the day
« Reply #1199 on: March 16, 2020, 05:04:12 PM »
btw. According to several German media, Trump is trying to buy up a possible vaccine (still research level) by a company named CureVac (Tübingen) exclusivly for the US.

Or in other words, he wants to shine: See, only here in the US, with me as president, we have a cure!

It is hard to not feel his test should have ended up positive.

Agreed. Of the many, many reprehensible things Trump has done since becoming president, this is one of the worst.