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Re: Trump 2.0
« Reply #1750 on: April 09, 2025, 11:29:39 AM »
ICE Director wants to see immigrants shipped out of the US like it's an Amazon Prime operation.  I'm sure sending them to a "works makes you free camp" will be next.

https://michiganadvance.com/2025/04/09/ice-director-envisions-amazon-like-mass-deportation-system-prime-but-with-human-beings/

Nah.  It'll say 'Work Makes You Great Again' over the gates of the camp.

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« Reply #1751 on: April 09, 2025, 11:38:18 AM »
TLDR - "Thanks Obama."

Indeed. Perfect.

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« Reply #1752 on: April 10, 2025, 10:57:08 AM »
Abbott going to kneecap the Democrats in the House for as long as he can by slow-rolling the special election.

https://www.texastribune.org/2025/04/07/greg-abbott-special-election-sylvester-turner/


Kristi Noem wants to keep the people we sent to the Gulag without so much as a hearing should be there for the rest of their lives.

https://www.axios.com/2025/04/09/kristi-noem-migrants-trump-ice-prison

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« Reply #1753 on: April 10, 2025, 11:06:56 AM »
As Sam Harris has pointed out, Trump's many obvious lies are really just a loyalty test.  Fascism 101. In the past when studying WWII in history class, I wondered if there was something different or special about Germans. They lined up and followed a mad man. Turns out no. Here we are.

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« Reply #1754 on: April 10, 2025, 11:41:44 AM »
Cabinet meeting right now. Everything coming out of their mouths right now is downright frightening. Here's a taste from RFK.

https://fixupx.com/atrupar/status/1910385387614146987

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« Reply #1755 on: April 10, 2025, 11:48:53 AM »
As Sam Harris has pointed out, Trump's many obvious lies are really just a loyalty test.  Fascism 101. In the past when studying WWII in history class, I wondered if there was something different or special about Germans. They lined up and followed a mad man. Turns out no. Here we are.

I wondered the same and it actually makes me sympathetic for those in 1930s Germany who didn't agree with the Nazi Party. The communists were run off or arrested, leaving the Social Democrats as the only major party to vote against him (if they were still free). @LennStar can fill in more details.

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« Reply #1756 on: April 10, 2025, 01:14:25 PM »
Comforting thought of the day... If Trump (intentionally or not) destroys everyone in his orbit (e.g. Musk), perhaps Putin too will be fucked by association. We've always assumed Putin is the untouchable puppeteer. What if Teflon Don proves fatal to his master? Is Trump Rasputin?

I also keep coming back to how fucking stupid the billionaires are being playing their parlor game of Risk. They think they can control Trump and they can't. He's the moron golem they created...

And how does Trump destroy? By example. He becomes the jerk other morons emulate, only to discover that only the jerk gets away with it. Musk's Nazi salute the perfect example... But he's not the only one. Andreessen, Thiel, Palipahitiya ... they are all morons!!! Their manifestos are senseless babbling. MORONS TO THE LAST ONE!

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« Reply #1757 on: April 10, 2025, 01:19:20 PM »
Cabinet meeting right now. Everything coming out of their mouths right now is downright frightening. Here's a taste from RFK.

https://fixupx.com/atrupar/status/1910385387614146987

It's so hard for the worm inside RFK to animate his mottled corpse. It can barely push air through the putrid vocal folds.

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« Reply #1758 on: April 10, 2025, 01:59:11 PM »
Cabinet meeting right now. Everything coming out of their mouths right now is downright frightening. Here's a taste from RFK.

https://fixupx.com/atrupar/status/1910385387614146987

I can't believe I'm saying this, but it isn't outside the realm of possibility that the admin guts food and drug safety inspections (this is being done), guts the CDC and funding for drug research and development (being done), then 'investigates' the link between vaccines and autism and discovers a made-up link (being done), then discourages vaccines (being done) and declares autism 'cured', then sends the justice dept to investigate any doctor or pulls federal funding from any medical institution that continues to investigate and diagnose autism.

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« Reply #1759 on: April 10, 2025, 02:03:40 PM »
Conference call with new chief of US Dept of Interior this week... the agency that oversees and manages about a fifth of the U.S., mostly public land, with a heavy mission in scientific research + responsible use and conservation of natural resources for future generations.

Message summary: Fuck all you scientists, national parks, wildlife refuges, etc.  We expect focus to be on opening all these lands to more oil and mineral drilling and timber extraction; this dept needs to start making us tons of money.

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« Reply #1760 on: April 10, 2025, 02:43:29 PM »

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« Reply #1761 on: April 10, 2025, 03:00:20 PM »
Conference call with new chief of US Dept of Interior this week... the agency that oversees and manages about a fifth of the U.S., mostly public land, with a heavy mission in scientific research + responsible use and conservation of natural resources for future generations.

Message summary: Fuck all you scientists, national parks, wildlife refuges, etc.  We expect focus to be on opening all these lands to more oil and mineral drilling and timber extraction; this dept needs to start making us tons of money.

It'll never cease to amaze me how conservatives don't care at all about conservation of the environment.

At least there wont be any new oil drilling at these prices. If the US enters a recession oil prices will probably stay low and generally US oil drilling will stop.
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« Reply #1762 on: April 10, 2025, 03:06:53 PM »
Under cover of the market mess, the budget and SAVE act moved forward today, in addition to the continuing executive agency self disembowelment and replacement with the whims of one.

Through piece in the Guardian about the prospects for slowing or stopping this.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/10/democrats-change-congress-electoral-maps

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« Reply #1763 on: April 10, 2025, 03:33:00 PM »
Message summary: Fuck all you scientists, national parks, wildlife refuges, etc.  We expect focus to be on opening all these lands to more oil and mineral drilling and timber extraction; this dept needs to start making us tons of money.

This makes me picture national parks being turned into Isengard.

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« Reply #1764 on: April 10, 2025, 04:47:06 PM »
Under cover of the market mess, the budget and SAVE act moved forward today, in addition to the continuing executive agency self disembowelment and replacement with the whims of one.

Through piece in the Guardian about the prospects for slowing or stopping this.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/10/democrats-change-congress-electoral-maps

Ehhhhh 5-10 years ago everyone was talking about how republicans were completely screwed because people were dropping religion and latinos were growing in population, and yet here we are. Electorates change over time, for instance putting more rigorous restrictions on voting may not actually help republicans. Increasingly dems are becoming the party of engaged educated voters and republicans are the party of low propensity and low engagement voters. You can see it in how dems overperform in special elections and mid terms where more engaged voters vote more, but republicans are able to get less engaged voters out for presidential elections. If that trend continues the dems may be more effective at getting everyone organized to vote while republicans struggle with turnout. It's also really hard to know what happens to MAGA and the republican party once Trump dies or officially doesn't run for a 3rd term. A lot of them are about loyalty to Trump, not values, ideals or a movement, they may not find a political home post Trump. Like I dunno if they would be as fervent about someone with the personality of a wet noodle such as Vance, or that Don Jr or Vance have the capability to convince not MAGA voters to support him like Trump is able to. Trump just has this ability to make poor people think he cares about their plight that I think will very very hard to replicate. Republicans need MAGA to win, but also MAGA is not nearly enough to win and somehow Trump is able to convince non-MAGA he's their friend. Like MAGA just hasn't been showing up for special elections or mid terms when Trumps not on the ballot. Which is also why I think there will be a republican effort to get Trump on the ballot a 3rd time, they don't like their odds of these low propsenity voters turning out without him and higher engaged more likely voters are moving away from them quickly.

(Assuming the US doesn't collapse)

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« Reply #1765 on: April 10, 2025, 05:14:17 PM »
That was almost hopeful.

(Until the parentheses)

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« Reply #1766 on: April 10, 2025, 05:20:46 PM »
That was almost hopeful.

(Until the parentheses)

I do think that if the US doesn;t collapse and Trump doesn't become King the republican party are more likely to have significant electoral problems, not Dems. The republican party is about Trump, not a movement cause or ideals, their ideals aren't even coherent anymore, and I think they are far more extreme than most americans are willing to go but get propped up during the presidential election years when Trump is on the ballot due to driving out low propensity voters. Like Republicans won the 2016 election, lost 2018, lost 2020, kind of lost/tied 2022 when they should have annihilated the dems and won 2024 (entirely on the backs of very low propsensity voters). And even with their best presidential win in like 40 years they STILL barely won a house majority. Basically if Trumps not on the ballot, they losin. If I were them I wouldn't be as excited about my odds of winning with more stringent voter ID laws.
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Re: Trump 2.0
« Reply #1767 on: April 11, 2025, 06:14:18 AM »
The Apprentice" gave Trump national exposure and he created this superficial image of himself as a wealthy, smart, and successful businessman. Fooled more than a few. I doubt he would have won any elections without that show.

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« Reply #1768 on: April 11, 2025, 07:56:24 AM »
Here's a good summary of the new European point of view:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_VJmoibRhI

The most interesting part IMO was the 2nd half where the vlogger talks about how American control of IT systems will be unacceptable in a future Europe striving for strategic autonomy. Plans are already being implementing to switch to open source, as China and Russia did long ago. That's very bad for Microsoft and other US big tech companies. Seems like a matter of time before other nations like Japan, SK, Australia, India, etc. follow suit.

So it's not just bad for American defense companies, it's bad for IT too!

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« Reply #1769 on: April 11, 2025, 09:38:57 AM »
With all the awful Trump admin policies, one thing I think I will reiterate here is that the Trump admin could be inadvertently creating the most climate friendly administration in history.

Nothing fuels climate change more than american consumerism and the only way to kill american consumerism is to destroy americans ability to consume. A recession and potential depression will do absolutely that. Like a full trade embargo with China? Think of what that means for the climate, idle factories, idle transports, idle planes, etc. Tariffs on cars and car parts driving up car costs? Let's do it! Make cars so expensive people need to take public transport. I read this morning that american consumer sentiment is worse than the great recession and people aren't looking to buy anything, this is GREAT for the long term climate change.

I know there's lots of worries about the destruction of public lands for oil drilling and extraction. Well currently oil prices are below the break even price for american oil production (which is around $65), however that break even price was BEFORE they add extra costs from steel and aluminum tariffs. I was reading this morning that if this continues the number of rigs in the US could decrease by as much as 50%. While the Trump admin may talk about opening up public lands for resource extraction no one is going to be actually do any extraction when the economy is in a depression and no one is buying anything.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/opec-output-hikes-trade-wars-have-us-oil-producers-wary-drill-baby-drill-2025-04-11/#:~:text=Average%20break%2Devens%2C%20or%20the,and%20other%20costs%20are%20included.

I'm taking this as a win for the long term climate.

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« Reply #1770 on: April 11, 2025, 09:42:13 AM »
I'm taking this as a win for the long term climate.

Maybe factor in the impact of gutting all the environmental regulatory agencies first.  At a time when businesses are under increasing pressure to cut costs to deal with the new expenses of American tariffs, and manufacturing is being brought back to the US I'd expect a very large spike in the amount of pollution from these companies.

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« Reply #1771 on: April 11, 2025, 09:46:12 AM »
HHS fires the entire team that determines the poverty rate. This isn't just a statistic. This is how the government determines who is eligible for various benefits.

https://kffhealthnews.org/news/article/aspe-hhs-federal-poverty-guidelines-level-team-fired-medicaid-snap-wic/

Trump purges the board that oversees immigration status appeals.

https://x.com/reichlinmelnick/status/1910677721501286661?s=46

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« Reply #1772 on: April 11, 2025, 09:56:54 AM »
I'm taking this as a win for the long term climate.

Maybe factor in the impact of gutting all the environmental regulatory agencies first.  At a time when businesses are under increasing pressure to cut costs to deal with the new expenses of American tariffs, and manufacturing is being brought back to the US I'd expect a very large spike in the amount of pollution from these companies.

I strongly, strongly doubt much manufacturing is coming back to the US over some tariffs imposed by EOs that congress doesn't even seem on board with. 

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« Reply #1773 on: April 11, 2025, 10:02:07 AM »
The base commander in Greenland where Vance showed up for a couple hours and made an ass of himself was fired for speaking out about the spectacle.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/creq99l218do

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« Reply #1774 on: April 11, 2025, 10:11:22 AM »
The base commander in Greenland where Vance showed up for a couple hours and made an ass of himself was fired for speaking out about the spectacle.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/creq99l218do

When you are a default authoritarian, anything less than full throated support and subservience is equal to treason and violence.  Making America Third World Again.

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« Reply #1775 on: April 11, 2025, 02:55:52 PM »
Milwaukee school experiencing lead poisoning. HHS says they're on their own due to having fired the entire department that would have assisted.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/milwaukee-schools-lead-poisoning-cdc-denies-help/

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« Reply #1776 on: April 12, 2025, 12:40:37 AM »
I'm taking this as a win for the long term climate.

Maybe factor in the impact of gutting all the environmental regulatory agencies first.  At a time when businesses are under increasing pressure to cut costs to deal with the new expenses of American tariffs, and manufacturing is being brought back to the US I'd expect a very large spike in the amount of pollution from these companies.

I strongly, strongly doubt much manufacturing is coming back to the US over some tariffs imposed by EOs that congress doesn't even seem on board with.

There's a reason why manufacturing is best left to other countries. It's not in first world countries' interests to subsidise their manufacturing sectors behind a few very specific cases to do with national defence.


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« Reply #1777 on: April 12, 2025, 12:46:31 AM »
It appears that having current ‘ or expected’ thoughts are enough to have someone legally resident in the US deported.



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/11/mahmoud-khalil-deportation-ruling-immigration?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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« Reply #1778 on: April 12, 2025, 02:35:25 PM »
Conference call with new chief of US Dept of Interior this week... the agency that oversees and manages about a fifth of the U.S., mostly public land, with a heavy mission in scientific research + responsible use and conservation of natural resources for future generations.

Message summary: Fuck all you scientists, national parks, wildlife refuges, etc.  We expect focus to be on opening all these lands to more oil and mineral drilling and timber extraction; this dept needs to start making us tons of money.

The same message has been sent to NOAA, per the NY Times article.

Just between you and me, my friend; we're fucked.

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« Reply #1779 on: April 12, 2025, 03:22:56 PM »
It appears that having current ‘ or expected’ thoughts are enough to have someone legally resident in the US deported.



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/11/mahmoud-khalil-deportation-ruling-immigration?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other


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« Reply #1780 on: April 12, 2025, 03:48:23 PM »
It appears that having current ‘ or expected’ thoughts are enough to have someone legally resident in the US deported.



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/11/mahmoud-khalil-deportation-ruling-immigration?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other


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« Reply #1781 on: April 13, 2025, 12:10:56 PM »
The reason they hate science and anything fact-based is because it doesn’t allow them to twist the truth enough for their purposes. So they are trying instead to ban the reporting of facts.

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« Reply #1782 on: April 13, 2025, 12:52:53 PM »
The reason they hate science and anything fact-based is because it doesn’t allow them to twist the truth enough for their purposes. So they are trying instead to ban the reporting of facts.

"As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. - Commissioner Pravin Lal, 'U.N. Declaration of Rights' " From the game Sid Meyer's Alpha Centauri (1999)

I love that game, and the quotes are a big part why.

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« Reply #1783 on: April 13, 2025, 09:42:00 PM »
RFK forced out official who wouldn't help him find nonexistent data to satisfy his conspiracy theories.  He's also employing people who have been sanctioned for unethical medical practices.

https://www.rawstory.com/rfk-vaccines/

Some more info about the guy RFK has tapped to manufacture the link between vaccines and autism.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/head-rfk-jr-vaccine-study-201913530.html

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« Reply #1784 on: April 14, 2025, 06:29:33 AM »
The reason they hate science and anything fact-based is because it doesn’t allow them to twist the truth enough for their purposes. So they are trying instead to ban the reporting of facts.

"As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. - Commissioner Pravin Lal, 'U.N. Declaration of Rights' " From the game Sid Meyer's Alpha Centauri (1999)

I love that game, and the quotes are a big part why.
That is a very 1999 quote, before the "free flow" of algorithmically selected "news", concentrated ownership of media in a few billionaires, and addictive phones let to the collapse of democracy and brainpower in the U.S.

Related note: A measles outbreak is now occurring in my town, and our national leaders are responding by considering a ban on vaccines.

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« Reply #1785 on: April 14, 2025, 06:53:54 AM »
The reason they hate science and anything fact-based is because it doesn’t allow them to twist the truth enough for their purposes. So they are trying instead to ban the reporting of facts.

"As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. - Commissioner Pravin Lal, 'U.N. Declaration of Rights' " From the game Sid Meyer's Alpha Centauri (1999)

I love that game, and the quotes are a big part why.
That is a very 1999 quote, before the "free flow" of algorithmically selected "news", concentrated ownership of media in a few billionaires, and addictive phones let to the collapse of democracy and brainpower in the U.S.

Related note: A measles outbreak is now occurring in my town, and our national leaders are responding by considering a ban on vaccines.

Glad people are taking it seriously /s.

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« Reply #1786 on: April 14, 2025, 10:09:37 AM »
Today Trump is hosting the president of El Salvador. He's sitting there telling the guy he can do whatever he wants with our citizens and that he'd like to send home-bore US citizens next.  He also flat-out said Zelensky started the war with Russia.

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1911811448990281773

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1911810667281023133

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1911812847333441877

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1911824313553928513
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« Reply #1787 on: April 14, 2025, 10:19:54 AM »
Today Trump is hosting the president of El Salvador. He's sitting there telling the guy he can do whatever he wants with our citizens.  He also flat-out said Zelensky started the war with Russia.

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1911811448990281773

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1911810667281023133

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1911812847333441877

Well there goes whatever was left of international travel to the US.

Also European support for anything.  If he had any European support left.




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« Reply #1788 on: April 14, 2025, 11:13:19 AM »
Today Trump is hosting the president of El Salvador. He's sitting there telling the guy he can do whatever he wants with our citizens.  He also flat-out said Zelensky started the war with Russia.

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1911811448990281773

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1911810667281023133

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1911812847333441877

Well there goes whatever was left of international travel to the US.

Also European support for anything.  If he had any European support left.
It's sort of funny with the AfD here. They want to be friends with Putin and love Trump for being the right wing asshole he is, but while a large part of their voter are okay with "making peace with Russia", even those are currently not amused by Trump.

If it weren't for the reason it is, my schadenfreude in seeing the AfD squirm around would be enormous.

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Am I correct that there is no way to trigger an early election in the US system? Even if Trump would be impeached it would just be the succession rules?
If not for a military coup we are all stuck with the MAGAs for 4 years?

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« Reply #1789 on: April 14, 2025, 11:16:33 AM »

Am I correct that there is no way to trigger an early election in the US system? Even if Trump would be impeached it would just be the succession rules?
If not for a military coup we are all stuck with the MAGAs for 4 years?

Correct. There is no mechanism for holding early presidential elections. Impeach and convict Trump, you get Vance. Impeach and convict Vance, you get whoever he appoints as the new VP. If you throw out both at the same time, you get Speaker Johnson becoming president. There are no good options.

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« Reply #1790 on: April 14, 2025, 11:33:55 AM »
Today Trump is hosting the president of El Salvador. He's sitting there telling the guy he can do whatever he wants with our citizens.  He also flat-out said Zelensky started the war with Russia.

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1911811448990281773

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1911810667281023133

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1911812847333441877

Well there goes whatever was left of international travel to the US.

Also European support for anything.  If he had any European support left.
It's sort of funny with the AfD here. They want to be friends with Putin and love Trump for being the right wing asshole he is, but while a large part of their voter are okay with "making peace with Russia", even those are currently not amused by Trump.

If it weren't for the reason it is, my schadenfreude in seeing the AfD squirm around would be enormous.

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Am I correct that there is no way to trigger an early election in the US system? Even if Trump would be impeached it would just be the succession rules?
If not for a military coup we are all stuck with the MAGAs for 4 years?

Trump is above the law while he is a sitting president according to the Supreme Court that he elected, so the only legal path of removal is impeachment.

Impeachment requires a majority house vote and then the senate must vote for a conviction, which requires 2/3rds of the senate vote.  Republicans control the senate and house right now, and the senate electoral system heavily favours Republicans (Democrats need to win about 8% more of the popular vote to break even in the senate).  There is no realistic way in which Trump could be impeached that I can see while he retains complete control of the Republican party.

This holds true with history - Trump was impeached twice during his last time as president.  He was impeached after being found guilty of abuse of power and obstruction of Congress for soliciting foreign interference in the 2020 election and then obstructing the congressional investigation of the matter.  Republicans in the senate blocked a conviction.  Then he was impeached again after being found guilty of inciting the Jan 6 insurrection.  Again, Republicans in the senate blocked a conviction.

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« Reply #1791 on: April 14, 2025, 12:03:56 PM »

Am I correct that there is no way to trigger an early election in the US system? Even if Trump would be impeached it would just be the succession rules?
If not for a military coup we are all stuck with the MAGAs for 4 years?

Correct. There is no mechanism for holding early presidential elections. Impeach and convict Trump, you get Vance. Impeach and convict Vance, you get whoever he appoints as the new VP. If you throw out both at the same time, you get Speaker Johnson becoming president. There are no good options.

It’s possible we would have a Democratic speaker of the house after midterms.

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« Reply #1792 on: April 14, 2025, 01:00:46 PM »

Am I correct that there is no way to trigger an early election in the US system? Even if Trump would be impeached it would just be the succession rules?
If not for a military coup we are all stuck with the MAGAs for 4 years?

Correct. There is no mechanism for holding early presidential elections. Impeach and convict Trump, you get Vance. Impeach and convict Vance, you get whoever he appoints as the new VP. If you throw out both at the same time, you get Speaker Johnson becoming president. There are no good options.

It’s possible we would have a Democratic speaker of the house after midterms.

Doesn't matter, senate republicans are not going to do anything. They've rubber stamped the whole thing approving his cabinet. Even in the unlikely scenario that dems win the senate there's no way they're getting 15 republican senators on board with impeachment. Voters refused to take their democracy and rights seriously in 2024 and now they are paying for it.

A dem house helps in that no laws get passed that makes this stuff permanent and that there might be some oversight regarding the administration, but it will be able to functionally do very little. 

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« Reply #1793 on: April 14, 2025, 10:43:41 PM »
So, Trump announces that people he dubs "criminals" should be shipped to El Salvador prisons (aka concentration camps). Pretty ironic considering that he himself is a convicted felon. Unfortunately I suspect that Mr. Garcia, the Maryland Dad ICE shipped off there by accident, a mistake that the administration initially admitted, is probably now dead. After all, for a very long time El Salvador led the world in murder rate, and its prisons are notoriously brutal.

Also in today's news, Trump demanded that Harvard bend the knee (link below). Rather than do that, they told him to get bent. May everyone draw from their courage to stand up to him.
https://www.harvard.edu/research-funding/wp-content/uploads/sites/16/2025/04/Letter-Sent-to-Harvard-2025-04-11.pdf

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« Reply #1794 on: April 14, 2025, 11:09:55 PM »
Anytime anyone complains about "DEI" in the context of migrants or refugees and academics/job hiring, you know the person is a mediocre piece of shit who is insular and insecure.

Seriously, you're worried that someone who had to learn another language or culture is going to get a leg up on you? Fuck you. You deserve to lose your job. Have fun losing it to someone with better smarts or work ethic.

The whole 'migrants are taking our jobs' narrative is a beneficial thing, in my eyes.

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« Reply #1795 on: April 15, 2025, 07:37:00 AM »
So, Trump announces that people he dubs "criminals" should be shipped to El Salvador prisons (aka concentration camps). Pretty ironic considering that he himself is a convicted felon. Unfortunately I suspect that Mr. Garcia, the Maryland Dad ICE shipped off there by accident, a mistake that the administration initially admitted, is probably now dead. After all, for a very long time El Salvador led the world in murder rate, and its prisons are notoriously brutal.

Also in today's news, Trump demanded that Harvard bend the knee (link below). Rather than do that, they told him to get bent. May everyone draw from their courage to stand up to him.
https://www.harvard.edu/research-funding/wp-content/uploads/sites/16/2025/04/Letter-Sent-to-Harvard-2025-04-11.pdf

In stark contrast to Columbia, who buckled at the first sign of trouble.  Good for Harvard.  I hope the other schools follow suit.

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« Reply #1796 on: April 15, 2025, 07:52:39 AM »
I'm wondering if Harvard is demonstrating the power of FU money:  its endowment is supposed to be $50Billion+
(at least before the recent stock market downturn). 

Proud of them for defying him, and also proud of the law firm Perkins Coie for the same.  History will not be kind to the others.

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« Reply #1797 on: April 15, 2025, 07:56:11 AM »
History will not be kind to the others.

History is written by the winners, and so far Trump's team is in the pole position.

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« Reply #1798 on: April 15, 2025, 09:08:53 AM »
I'm wondering if Harvard is demonstrating the power of FU money:  its endowment is supposed to be $50Billion+
(at least before the recent stock market downturn). 

Proud of them for defying him, and also proud of the law firm Perkins Coie for the same.  History will not be kind to the others.

True, but "only" 30% of that $50B is for discretionary purposes. The remaining amount is ear marked by the donor for their specific wishes. Certain departments, libraries, etc. Long term, the endowment is not a savior.

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« Reply #1799 on: April 15, 2025, 10:24:33 AM »
I'm wondering if Harvard is demonstrating the power of FU money:  its endowment is supposed to be $50Billion+
(at least before the recent stock market downturn). 

Proud of them for defying him, and also proud of the law firm Perkins Coie for the same.  History will not be kind to the others.
The other universities don't have the luxury of such huge endowments. Most have become bureaucratically bloated to the point that they are utterly dependent upon federal funding to continue operations and service debts accrued during a multi-decade building spree. I think the odds are near zero that they'll cut executive salaries, end money-losing sports programs, eliminate student services, eliminate money-losing majors and graduate programs, or sell real estate in the hopes of breaking even. Not when they could just acquiesce to the ruling party's wishes and crush dissent.

As with social media, the users of higher education became the product, not the customer.

The dark path becomes even more attractive to university administrators when we realize that the US has overbuilt higher education. It is sustained only by federal funding and international students, both of which are being reduced dramatically. Administrators must realize, while they feast on bloated salaries and tall organizational structures, that an extinction event is occurring, and not all universities will survive. 75 public or nonprofit colleges have closed, merged, or announced closures or mergers since March 2020, and the demographics don't look good for a resurgence. The cultural backlash against taking out student loans to buy "useless degrees" was already building when the political winds turned against education. So it will be hard enough for any university to survive the hard times ahead, much less if they are at odds with the regime.

If that means starting each Sanitized History class with MAGA chants, or keeping lists of suspected disloyal students, then the administrators who will take a six figure salary for implementing such a change will emerge.