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Re: Trump 2.0
« Reply #1300 on: March 12, 2025, 03:56:54 PM »
Coal dust and mercury in your food back on the menu

https://apnews.com/article/trump-epa-climate-zeldin-power-plants-feb184286a7a9419aefddce293362e6b

Wonder what if our friendly neighborhood Kennedy cares about us eating mercury, or is it just mercury in vaccines that's a problem?

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Re: Trump 2.0
« Reply #1301 on: March 12, 2025, 04:28:00 PM »
Coal dust and mercury in your food back on the menu

https://apnews.com/article/trump-epa-climate-zeldin-power-plants-feb184286a7a9419aefddce293362e6b

Wonder what if our friendly neighborhood Kennedy cares about us eating mercury, or is it just mercury in vaccines that's a problem?

Figuring out my 2025 giving priorities has been on my to-do list for too long.  It's time to discuss it with my wife, and the NRDC is moving up to the top of my list.

Some of these rule changes will stand, but some will be shot down in court.  NRDC has a good track record of fighting these things in court.

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« Reply #1302 on: March 13, 2025, 08:58:22 AM »
Out of all the controversial things Trump has done since getting into office this is a not so controversial in my view. Non-citizens simply do not have the rights of citizens. It is quite explicit when you are going though visa and green card processing in the US. You can be deported for not having "good moral character" if I recall correctly. I remember reading that and wondering what good moral character meant.

Not true. You have to be convicted of a crime. They can't just say you're "immoral", or whatever then come ship you off.

Are you thinking of this one;
"Have been convicted of two or more crimes involving moral turpitude at any time after U.S. admission, where the two crimes did not arise out of a single scheme of misconduct."
Again, convicted. Not just accused. And in any case this guys wasn't even accused of a crime, that we know of.

And also:
"generally requires an immigration judge to determine whether they can be deported"
There is still a due process (at least in theory)

He's not been accused of criminal behavior or moral turpitude, he's accused of being active in (or at least very closely associated with) groups that endorse or espouse terrorist activities. When talking about Gaza the distinction between advocating for the people of Gaza and endorsing terrorist actions can be a pretty fine line since the group governing Gaza has been a designated terrorist organization for more than 25 years. I can see it being easy to unintentionally find yourself on the wrong side of that line when a new administration chooses to vigorously enforce laws that previous administrations were fairly lax about.

Due process is the real test here. The details of what he said and did matter and we don't know all that yet.

If due process is the real test, I think the Trump administration is failing. 


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"It's a very dark day in the history of the Republic, when someone can be imprisoned just for exercising their constitutional rights," the Columbia math professor told As It Happens host Nil Koksal.

"And it seems to be a nakedly clear case of that."

Thaddeus is one of several faculty members at the New York school speaking out on behalf of Mahmoud Khalil, who was arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents for his role in campus protests against Israel's military campaign in Gaza.

Khalil, a U.S. permanent resident, was arrested without charge at his university-owned apartment on Saturday in front of his pregnant wife, and sent to a detention centre in Louisiana.


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Trump alleged on social media, without evidence, that Khalil supported the Palestinian militant group Hamas, something the activist's lawyers vehemently denied.

When Khalil was first arrested, the officers threatened to revoke his student visa and deport him, his lawyers said. When he corrected them that he, in fact, had a green card, they said they would revoke that instead. 

A federal judge on Monday temporarily blocked Khalil's deportation while his lawyers challenge the constitutionality of his arrest.


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During Khalil's first court hearing in New York City on Wednesday, U.S. District Judge Jesse Furman ruled the activist must be permitted private phone calls with his lawyers.

One of Khalil's lawyers, Ramzi Kassem, said his client had been allowed just one call with his legal team from immigration detention in Louisiana, that it was on a line recorded and monitored by the government, and was cut off prematurely.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/mahmoud-khalil-columbia-chill-1.7481915


I dunno, this sounds pretty controversial.  Detention without charge, the president of the US making unfounded accusations, threatening deportation for exercising the constitutionally protected right to free speech, denying access to a lawyer . . .

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« Reply #1303 on: March 13, 2025, 12:50:08 PM »
Trump sitting with the head of NATO, having another banger day with the rambling.

We should own and station troops in Greenland (and I think this guys sitting next to me can help)
Canada can only function if its a US state.
I only riled up the Republicans on trans stuff for the votes.
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« Reply #1304 on: March 13, 2025, 12:53:34 PM »
Trump sitting with the head of NATO, having another banger day with the rambling.

We should own and station troops in Greenland (and I think this guys sitting next to me can help)
Canada can only function if its a US state.
I only riled up the Republicans on trans stuff for the votes.
I tried to drown SoCal farmers and I'm damn stupid and proud of it.

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What a time to be alive. The president of the great country of the United States of America, ladies & gentleman.

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« Reply #1305 on: March 13, 2025, 12:57:45 PM »
Pentagon drawing up plans for Panama ranging from imperialism to armed invasion.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-white-house-asked-us-military-develop-options-panama-canal-offic-rcna195994?



New Hampshire election requiring your birth name to match your voting record predictably screws married women. GOP wants this nationally.

https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2025-03-11/nhs-new-id-requirements-send-some-would-be-voters-home-to-grab-passports-birth-certificates

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« Reply #1306 on: March 13, 2025, 01:04:11 PM »
Pentagon drawing up plans for Panama ranging from imperialism to armed invasion.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-white-house-asked-us-military-develop-options-panama-canal-offic-rcna195994?



New Hampshire election requiring your birth name to match your voting record predictably screws married women. GOP wants this nationally.

https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2025-03-11/nhs-new-id-requirements-send-some-would-be-voters-home-to-grab-passports-birth-certificates

Sigh.

Time for women to stop talking their husband's last name.  They keep doing these things and then wonder why women are into the 4B movement (or is it 5, 6, 7, 8 by now?).

And New Hampshire.  What happened with the State license plate?   Live Free or Die

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« Reply #1307 on: March 13, 2025, 01:29:18 PM »
Pentagon drawing up plans for Panama ranging from imperialism to armed invasion.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-white-house-asked-us-military-develop-options-panama-canal-offic-rcna195994?



New Hampshire election requiring your birth name to match your voting record predictably screws married women. GOP wants this nationally.

https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2025-03-11/nhs-new-id-requirements-send-some-would-be-voters-home-to-grab-passports-birth-certificates

Sigh.

Time for women to stop talking their husband's last name.  They keep doing these things and then wonder why women are into the 4B movement (or is it 5, 6, 7, 8 by now?).

And New Hampshire.  What happened with the State license plate?   Live Free or Die

Honestly, I'm surprised women are still allowed to vote.  The 19th amendment:

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The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation

I expect that the current Supreme Court will find that the 'sex' mentioned in is a reference to the act of having sex (ie how much sex you're having), not to gender.  This is less convoluted than the way the conservative SC explained away the whole militia part in the 2nd Amendment. 

Also, Trump has shown that congress has no congressional power at all, so it's an unenforceable clause anyway.

Hopefully Republicans fix this oversight posthaste.

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« Reply #1308 on: March 13, 2025, 01:30:36 PM »
Trump sitting with the head of NATO, having another banger day with the rambling.

We should own and station troops in Greenland (and I think this guys sitting next to me can help)
Canada can only function if its a US state.
I only riled up the Republicans on trans stuff for the votes.
I tried to drown SoCal farmers and I'm damn stupid and proud of it.

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https://x.com/Acyn/status/1900250318857998564

What a time to be alive. The president of the great country of the United States of America, ladies & gentleman.
I guess he is so angry on Zelensky, he tries to out-comedian him in this president role.

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« Reply #1309 on: March 13, 2025, 01:55:55 PM »
Why am I not surprised?  We are known by the company we keep.  DJT has always kept bad company.

"A Dallas-area pastor known for his involvement in GOP politics and his close relationship with President Donald Trump has been indicted in Oklahoma on child sex charges which stretch back four decades.

Robert Morris was the lead pastor of the Gateway megachurch until last year when he resigned due to sexual abuse allegations."


Will RFK jr.  be on the Epstein list?
From the daily beast about his wife":

    The Curb Your Enthusiasm star has given her 71-year-old husband a “strict ultimatum” to relocate her to Washington D.C. with him, just months after a cheating scandal rocked their marriage, sources told the Daily Mail.

    Hines, 59, fears that her notoriously flirty husband might be tempted by other women if she continues to stay put in Hollywood away from him, the insiders claimed.

    “Cheryl doesn’t feel Bobby can be trusted one iota living on his own, in D.C., even part-time, with so many attractive women and Kennedy groupies around, as he gets settled in his powerful new position,” one insider told the Daily Mail. “So she’s given him a strict ultimatum – move me or else.”


Like can't she move herself?  Or does he not want her there?  She should know, she had an affair with him before his wife Mary Richardson committed suicide.  As the old saying goes, when a man marries his mistress a new position opens up.

Back in the day the press covered this stuff up (like JFK, let's not think of party here) because they thought the voting public would not like it.  Now the politicians don't care.  Why would any of us in any country elect someone who has poor moral character?  Poor moral character permeates everything.

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« Reply #1310 on: March 13, 2025, 02:16:21 PM »
If due process is the real test, I think the Trump administration is failing. 

Yeah, not great. I honestly wonder if they didn't realize he had (semi-recently?) his status changed from student visa to green card holder and are now pushing a much more marginal case to try and save face. The threshold for cancelling a student visa is a lot lower, and the chain of logic for cancelling a visa is a lot more clear (if you are doing things here that had you had declared your intent to do those things beforehand would have resulted in your visa being denied why should you keep that visa?). But knowing Trump he may have just said f*#$ it lets go big.

I would really like to see the specific allegations detailed out too, although it appears in a deportation process vs. a criminal process that is less certain to happen. There was some pretty atrociously pro-terror language used by people in and by accounts associated with the CUAD group Mr. Khalil was a spokesperson for but how official that stuff was and how much effort they took to prevent that would be interesting to know.

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« Reply #1311 on: March 13, 2025, 02:21:55 PM »
I might have missed this, but this one stick in my craw: The FBI is forcing Habit for Humanity (!) to defend itself in court, under criminal (!) charges, for receiving grants from the EPA.

https://newrepublic.com/post/192660/trump-fbi-charge-climate-organizations

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« Reply #1312 on: March 13, 2025, 06:32:09 PM »
Why am I not surprised?  We are known by the company we keep.  DJT has always kept bad company.

"A Dallas-area pastor known for his involvement in GOP politics and his close relationship with President Donald Trump has been indicted in Oklahoma on child sex charges which stretch back four decades.

Robert Morris was the lead pastor of the Gateway megachurch until last year when he resigned due to sexual abuse allegations."


Will RFK jr.  be on the Epstein list?
From the daily beast about his wife":

    The Curb Your Enthusiasm star has given her 71-year-old husband a “strict ultimatum” to relocate her to Washington D.C. with him, just months after a cheating scandal rocked their marriage, sources told the Daily Mail.

    Hines, 59, fears that her notoriously flirty husband might be tempted by other women if she continues to stay put in Hollywood away from him, the insiders claimed.

    “Cheryl doesn’t feel Bobby can be trusted one iota living on his own, in D.C., even part-time, with so many attractive women and Kennedy groupies around, as he gets settled in his powerful new position,” one insider told the Daily Mail. “So she’s given him a strict ultimatum – move me or else.”


Like can't she move herself?  Or does he not want her there?  She should know, she had an affair with him before his wife Mary Richardson committed suicide.  As the old saying goes, when a man marries his mistress a new position opens up.

Back in the day the press covered this stuff up (like JFK, let's not think of party here) because they thought the voting public would not like it.  Now the politicians don't care.  Why would any of us in any country elect someone who has poor moral character?  Poor moral character permeates everything.

RFK, Jr. - who knew a 71 year old could be such a horndog that his younger wife doesn't trust him out of her sight? 

I'm really wondering what kind of world it would be if men's testosterone levels could be cut in half, even for just a year?  What an experiment that would be. 

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Re: Trump 2.0
« Reply #1313 on: March 13, 2025, 06:46:22 PM »
Why am I not surprised?  We are known by the company we keep.  DJT has always kept bad company.

"A Dallas-area pastor known for his involvement in GOP politics and his close relationship with President Donald Trump has been indicted in Oklahoma on child sex charges which stretch back four decades.

Robert Morris was the lead pastor of the Gateway megachurch until last year when he resigned due to sexual abuse allegations."


Will RFK jr.  be on the Epstein list?
From the daily beast about his wife":

    The Curb Your Enthusiasm star has given her 71-year-old husband a “strict ultimatum” to relocate her to Washington D.C. with him, just months after a cheating scandal rocked their marriage, sources told the Daily Mail.

    Hines, 59, fears that her notoriously flirty husband might be tempted by other women if she continues to stay put in Hollywood away from him, the insiders claimed.

    “Cheryl doesn’t feel Bobby can be trusted one iota living on his own, in D.C., even part-time, with so many attractive women and Kennedy groupies around, as he gets settled in his powerful new position,” one insider told the Daily Mail. “So she’s given him a strict ultimatum – move me or else.”


Like can't she move herself?  Or does he not want her there?  She should know, she had an affair with him before his wife Mary Richardson committed suicide.  As the old saying goes, when a man marries his mistress a new position opens up.

Back in the day the press covered this stuff up (like JFK, let's not think of party here) because they thought the voting public would not like it.  Now the politicians don't care.  Why would any of us in any country elect someone who has poor moral character?  Poor moral character permeates everything.

RFK, Jr. - who knew a 71 year old could be such a horndog that his younger wife doesn't trust him out of her sight? 

I'm really wondering what kind of world it would be if men's testosterone levels could be cut in half, even for just a year?  What an experiment that would be.

Well, I read somewhere that he was having affairs like mad while he was married to Mary Richardson.  No wonder she had serious depression and committed suicide.  And the new wife was one of the affairs, so she knows he is capable of cheating.  But at 71? Yuck.

I like your experiment.   ;-)

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« Reply #1314 on: March 13, 2025, 07:06:13 PM »
We have to remove Trump from office. Apparently I’m not the only one with this thought. There are tons of threads on this topic, with some very complete plans.

https://www.reddit.com/r/50501/comments/1j0o5pl/we_cannot_accept_anything_less_than_the_removal/

Off the top of my head I think the options are:

25th amendment
14th amendment
Treason
Election irregularity investigation
Impeachment

Note that even if these “don’t work”, they occupy his time & waning life energy.

Let’s not forget how effective the Tesla boycott has been. Musk to the point of tears, Trump shilling Teslas in front of the White House just like he shilled cans of Goya Black Beans. We have the power.

Very good detail in the piece below.

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https://theradicalfederalist.substack.com/p/the-protest-playbook-how-to-win-real


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VI. No More Symbolic Protest: The Time to Act is Now

No more marches that lead nowhere. No more symbolic demonstrations that politicians ignore.

History shows that only strategic, escalating movements succeed:

Hong Kong (2019)—Mass strikes, encrypted coordination, citywide flash mobs.
Chile (2019)—General strikes, occupations, a new constitution forced.
India (2021)—Highway blockades, year-long protests, laws repealed.

Now, it’s our turn.

Seize local power—demand radical federalist policies at the state level.
Escalate strategically—rallies, sit-ins, blockades, strikes.
Stay organized—encrypted communication, decentralized actions, and persistence.
No more waiting. No more excuses. The system will not fix itself.

Organize your city. Seize your state. Build real power.

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Re: Trump 2.0
« Reply #1315 on: March 13, 2025, 08:43:04 PM »
Why am I not surprised?  We are known by the company we keep.  DJT has always kept bad company.

"A Dallas-area pastor known for his involvement in GOP politics and his close relationship with President Donald Trump has been indicted in Oklahoma on child sex charges which stretch back four decades.

Robert Morris was the lead pastor of the Gateway megachurch until last year when he resigned due to sexual abuse allegations."


Will RFK jr.  be on the Epstein list?
From the daily beast about his wife":

    The Curb Your Enthusiasm star has given her 71-year-old husband a “strict ultimatum” to relocate her to Washington D.C. with him, just months after a cheating scandal rocked their marriage, sources told the Daily Mail.

    Hines, 59, fears that her notoriously flirty husband might be tempted by other women if she continues to stay put in Hollywood away from him, the insiders claimed.

    “Cheryl doesn’t feel Bobby can be trusted one iota living on his own, in D.C., even part-time, with so many attractive women and Kennedy groupies around, as he gets settled in his powerful new position,” one insider told the Daily Mail. “So she’s given him a strict ultimatum – move me or else.”


Like can't she move herself?  Or does he not want her there?  She should know, she had an affair with him before his wife Mary Richardson committed suicide.  As the old saying goes, when a man marries his mistress a new position opens up.

Back in the day the press covered this stuff up (like JFK, let's not think of party here) because they thought the voting public would not like it.  Now the politicians don't care.  Why would any of us in any country elect someone who has poor moral character?  Poor moral character permeates everything.

RFK, Jr. - who knew a 71 year old could be such a horndog that his younger wife doesn't trust him out of her sight? 

I'm really wondering what kind of world it would be if men's testosterone levels could be cut in half, even for just a year?  What an experiment that would be.

Well, I read somewhere that he was having affairs like mad while he was married to Mary Richardson.  No wonder she had serious depression and committed suicide.  And the new wife was one of the affairs, so she knows he is capable of cheating.  But at 71? Yuck.

I like your experiment.   ;-)

RFK is on testosterone.  Lack of testosterone is typically why men become less interested in sex as they age.

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« Reply #1316 on: March 13, 2025, 09:10:32 PM »
Why am I not surprised?  We are known by the company we keep.  DJT has always kept bad company.

"A Dallas-area pastor known for his involvement in GOP politics and his close relationship with President Donald Trump has been indicted in Oklahoma on child sex charges which stretch back four decades.

Robert Morris was the lead pastor of the Gateway megachurch until last year when he resigned due to sexual abuse allegations."


Will RFK jr.  be on the Epstein list?
From the daily beast about his wife":

    The Curb Your Enthusiasm star has given her 71-year-old husband a “strict ultimatum” to relocate her to Washington D.C. with him, just months after a cheating scandal rocked their marriage, sources told the Daily Mail.

    Hines, 59, fears that her notoriously flirty husband might be tempted by other women if she continues to stay put in Hollywood away from him, the insiders claimed.

    “Cheryl doesn’t feel Bobby can be trusted one iota living on his own, in D.C., even part-time, with so many attractive women and Kennedy groupies around, as he gets settled in his powerful new position,” one insider told the Daily Mail. “So she’s given him a strict ultimatum – move me or else.”


Like can't she move herself?  Or does he not want her there?  She should know, she had an affair with him before his wife Mary Richardson committed suicide.  As the old saying goes, when a man marries his mistress a new position opens up.

Back in the day the press covered this stuff up (like JFK, let's not think of party here) because they thought the voting public would not like it.  Now the politicians don't care.  Why would any of us in any country elect someone who has poor moral character?  Poor moral character permeates everything.

RFK, Jr. - who knew a 71 year old could be such a horndog that his younger wife doesn't trust him out of her sight? 

I'm really wondering what kind of world it would be if men's testosterone levels could be cut in half, even for just a year?  What an experiment that would be.

Well, I read somewhere that he was having affairs like mad while he was married to Mary Richardson.  No wonder she had serious depression and committed suicide.  And the new wife was one of the affairs, so she knows he is capable of cheating.  But at 71? Yuck.

I like your experiment.   ;-)

RFK is on testosterone.  Lack of testosterone is typically why men become less interested in sex as they age.

No wonder he gets along with Trump.  Shall we lay bets that trump is also on testosterone?  He's aggressive enough.

And that is so unfair!  He gets testosterone to keep his libido up, and my endocrinologist said I should not go on HRT at my age to help my osteoporosis.

I no longer feel so sorry for Mary Richardson.  She was the affair partner when he divorced his first wife, she was pregnant when they got married.  Wow, this guy has a track record. 

I also saw a video put out by someone from NIH commenting on a video of him mangling some food additive names, like carageenan and monosodium glutamate.  The man is incompetent.  But we knew that. 

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« Reply #1317 on: March 14, 2025, 08:34:56 AM »
We have to remove Trump from office. Apparently I’m not the only one with this thought. There are tons of threads on this topic, with some very complete plans.

https://www.reddit.com/r/50501/comments/1j0o5pl/we_cannot_accept_anything_less_than_the_removal/

Off the top of my head I think the options are:

25th amendment
14th amendment
Treason
Election irregularity investigation
Impeachment

Note that even if these “don’t work”, they occupy his time & waning life energy.

Let’s not forget how effective the Tesla boycott has been. Musk to the point of tears, Trump shilling Teslas in front of the White House just like he shilled cans of Goya Black Beans. We have the power.

Very good detail in the piece below.

From
https://theradicalfederalist.substack.com/p/the-protest-playbook-how-to-win-real


Quote
VI. No More Symbolic Protest: The Time to Act is Now

No more marches that lead nowhere. No more symbolic demonstrations that politicians ignore.

History shows that only strategic, escalating movements succeed:

Hong Kong (2019)—Mass strikes, encrypted coordination, citywide flash mobs.
Chile (2019)—General strikes, occupations, a new constitution forced.
India (2021)—Highway blockades, year-long protests, laws repealed.

Now, it’s our turn.

Seize local power—demand radical federalist policies at the state level.
Escalate strategically—rallies, sit-ins, blockades, strikes.
Stay organized—encrypted communication, decentralized actions, and persistence.
No more waiting. No more excuses. The system will not fix itself.

Organize your city. Seize your state. Build real power.


I'm wondering in the example countries given above, what percentage of the population wanted their leader out? It seems to me that some rich Republicans will stand to get richer with less business regulations and EPA controls, and some Republicans will still worship him and believe everything he says.  It's not like 90% of the country want him out (unfortunately).

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« Reply #1318 on: March 14, 2025, 09:09:11 AM »
Sadly going to remind people that the Umbrella Revolution in Hong Kong in 2019 did NOT succeed.  It was dramatic for a few weeks, but eventually China rolled right in with its new "patriotic" laws and policies (tanks were already there, at least symbolically), and almost all of the organizers were jailed or threatened with arrest (which caused many of them to flee).


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« Reply #1319 on: March 14, 2025, 09:47:23 AM »
    “Cheryl doesn’t feel Bobby can be trusted one iota living on his own, in D.C.,

I never understand if this is your marriage dynamic, why do you even stay married to this guy? Clearly no trust or respect, so what's the point?
As far as I'm concerned; if a spouse ever has to say "don't do this because it might make you cheat" the marriage is over.
(and if it's just for the money; why would she care what he does? See: Melania Trump)
« Last Edit: March 14, 2025, 09:54:23 AM by Scandium »

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Re: Trump 2.0
« Reply #1320 on: March 14, 2025, 09:50:14 AM »
Vandalizing a specific model of car will now catch you a terrorism charge.

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lkdrpwmbko2r

Trump waives David Sacks' ethics requirements. So one of the biggest owners of crypto can now manage the government's crypto without anyone questioning his motives.

https://www.levernews.com/trump-issues-ethics-waiver-for-his-ai-crypto-czar/

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Re: Trump 2.0
« Reply #1321 on: March 14, 2025, 10:05:27 AM »
We have to remove Trump from office. Apparently I’m not the only one with this thought. There are tons of threads on this topic, with some very complete plans.

https://www.reddit.com/r/50501/comments/1j0o5pl/we_cannot_accept_anything_less_than_the_removal/

Off the top of my head I think the options are:

25th amendment
14th amendment
Treason
Election irregularity investigation
Impeachment

Note that even if these “don’t work”, they occupy his time & waning life energy.

Let’s not forget how effective the Tesla boycott has been. Musk to the point of tears, Trump shilling Teslas in front of the White House just like he shilled cans of Goya Black Beans. We have the power.

Very good detail in the piece below.

From
https://theradicalfederalist.substack.com/p/the-protest-playbook-how-to-win-real
Quote
VI. No More Symbolic Protest: The Time to Act is Now

No more marches that lead nowhere. No more symbolic demonstrations that politicians ignore.

History shows that only strategic, escalating movements succeed:

Hong Kong (2019)—Mass strikes, encrypted coordination, citywide flash mobs.
Chile (2019)—General strikes, occupations, a new constitution forced.
India (2021)—Highway blockades, year-long protests, laws repealed.

Now, it’s our turn.

Seize local power—demand radical federalist policies at the state level.
Escalate strategically—rallies, sit-ins, blockades, strikes.
Stay organized—encrypted communication, decentralized actions, and persistence.
No more waiting. No more excuses. The system will not fix itself.

Organize your city. Seize your state. Build real power.
As I've noted before, the political winners throughout history - regardless of political ideology - have been organized down to the level of potluck dinners, weekly house meetings, and book clubs. For such individuals (revolutionaries, abolitionists, suffragists, labor organizers, anti-abortion religious activists, 2nd amendment activists, etc.) the advocacy of a political position is merged into a lifestyle that involves sincere friendships, meaningful projects, and the provision of economically valuable support to one's fellow activists. A clique is formed that has its own appeal, that attracts move people to join, that gives people a vehicle and clear first step to join the movement, that establishes a working subculture, and that forms a visible opposition that strikes fear into the cold, calculating hearts of politicians.

The modern left has largely abandoned these principles for at least the past 50 years. Instead, they've focused on fundraising to buy ads, courtroom strategies, games with demographic labels, and noisy demonstrations that go nowhere. New ideals of hyper-individualism have replaced the solidarity and collective action of the past, and as a result we have lots of "we ought to" comments on the internet and nobody showing up to meetings.

The far right has gone the other direction, toward collectivism in the physical world. Thus we see activist churches, militias and gun clubs, think tanks, business groups, social media companies forming an alt-right pipeline, and international coordination with allies like Russia. Their reality-based organizing and subculture development has yielded the results seen today.

So I suppose what the world needs to return to balance is not a louder demonstration. It is a shift toward collective action and real-life community by the left, which has become absent from the real world of politcs and absorbed into consumerism, fiction, and social media centric lifestyles. A whole new ideological direction might be needed, and so far I see nothing sprouting on this front.

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« Reply #1322 on: March 14, 2025, 10:24:58 AM »
    “Cheryl doesn’t feel Bobby can be trusted one iota living on his own, in D.C.,

I never understand if this is your marriage dynamic, why do you even stay married to this guy? Clearly no trust or respect, so what's the point?
As far as I'm concerned; if a spouse ever has to say "don't do this because it might make you cheat" the marriage is over.
(and if it's just for the money; why would she care what he does? See: Melania Trump)

Beats me.

I don't really care about her, she was the affair partner before she married, so she knows what he is capable of.

It's the fact that a man who divorced his first wife, married the pregnant affair partner who later committed suicide, and married another affair partner, is health person for a party that says it promotes "family values".

The hypocrisy is strong.

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« Reply #1323 on: March 14, 2025, 10:39:36 AM »
We have to remove Trump from office. Apparently I’m not the only one with this thought. There are tons of threads on this topic, with some very complete plans.

https://www.reddit.com/r/50501/comments/1j0o5pl/we_cannot_accept_anything_less_than_the_removal/

Off the top of my head I think the options are:

25th amendment
14th amendment
Treason
Election irregularity investigation
Impeachment

Note that even if these “don’t work”, they occupy his time & waning life energy.

Let’s not forget how effective the Tesla boycott has been. Musk to the point of tears, Trump shilling Teslas in front of the White House just like he shilled cans of Goya Black Beans. We have the power.

Very good detail in the piece below.

From
https://theradicalfederalist.substack.com/p/the-protest-playbook-how-to-win-real
Quote
VI. No More Symbolic Protest: The Time to Act is Now

No more marches that lead nowhere. No more symbolic demonstrations that politicians ignore.

History shows that only strategic, escalating movements succeed:

Hong Kong (2019)—Mass strikes, encrypted coordination, citywide flash mobs.
Chile (2019)—General strikes, occupations, a new constitution forced.
India (2021)—Highway blockades, year-long protests, laws repealed.

Now, it’s our turn.

Seize local power—demand radical federalist policies at the state level.
Escalate strategically—rallies, sit-ins, blockades, strikes.
Stay organized—encrypted communication, decentralized actions, and persistence.
No more waiting. No more excuses. The system will not fix itself.

Organize your city. Seize your state. Build real power.
As I've noted before, the political winners throughout history - regardless of political ideology - have been organized down to the level of potluck dinners, weekly house meetings, and book clubs. For such individuals (revolutionaries, abolitionists, suffragists, labor organizers, anti-abortion religious activists, 2nd amendment activists, etc.) the advocacy of a political position is merged into a lifestyle that involves sincere friendships, meaningful projects, and the provision of economically valuable support to one's fellow activists. A clique is formed that has its own appeal, that attracts move people to join, that gives people a vehicle and clear first step to join the movement, that establishes a working subculture, and that forms a visible opposition that strikes fear into the cold, calculating hearts of politicians.

The modern left has largely abandoned these principles for at least the past 50 years. Instead, they've focused on fundraising to buy ads, courtroom strategies, games with demographic labels, and noisy demonstrations that go nowhere. New ideals of hyper-individualism have replaced the solidarity and collective action of the past, and as a result we have lots of "we ought to" comments on the internet and nobody showing up to meetings.

The far right has gone the other direction, toward collectivism in the physical world. Thus we see activist churches, militias and gun clubs, think tanks, business groups, social media companies forming an alt-right pipeline, and international coordination with allies like Russia. Their reality-based organizing and subculture development has yielded the results seen today.

So I suppose what the world needs to return to balance is not a louder demonstration. It is a shift toward collective action and real-life community by the left, which has become absent from the real world of politcs and absorbed into consumerism, fiction, and social media centric lifestyles. A whole new ideological direction might be needed, and so far I see nothing sprouting on this front.

This is one of your perennial arguments that I profoundly disagree with. We constantly see protests being effective in the US. Further, the mere presence of protests without results is characteristic of many countries.

To use Mexico as an example. Mexicans frequently protest in very dramatic ways — for example, I was stuck on the highway out of Mexico City in a bus for 8 hours because of a protest at the toll booth that I believe was about logging rights. Despite very vigorous protests, Mexico has still had a lot of difficulty fixing corruption and graft. (Not saying of course that protests never work there. But you will see a level of entrenched protesting, such as extended sit ins or hunger strikes, treated as normal background noise—for example a sit-in/camp-in at Mexico City airport that went on for weeks/months while travel continued.)

In the US, by contrast, boycotts and protests have frequently had massive effect. Look at how effective the action against Tesla has been. These guys are absolutely squirming and feeling the pain. We should take this as a sign that it protest works. Even if the books are cooked and Tesla stock stays elevated for reasons (?). It works, and keeping that stock inflated costs them money.

Learned helplessness will help no one.

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« Reply #1324 on: March 14, 2025, 10:42:15 AM »
    “Cheryl doesn’t feel Bobby can be trusted one iota living on his own, in D.C.,
I never understand if this is your marriage dynamic, why do you even stay married to this guy? Clearly no trust or respect, so what's the point?
As far as I'm concerned; if a spouse ever has to say "don't do this because it might make you cheat" the marriage is over.
(and if it's just for the money; why would she care what he does? See: Melania Trump)
Beats me.

I don't really care about her, she was the affair partner before she married, so she knows what he is capable of.

It's the fact that a man who divorced his first wife, married the pregnant affair partner who later committed suicide, and married another affair partner, is health person for a party that says it promotes "family values".

The hypocrisy is strong.
For a certain kind of person, money and social status is everything.

Let the proles stay faithful to one another, eating porridge in their little cottages between commutes and paying their taxes. That's not for us; we are the ambitious ones. Can an ambitious person with an ambitious spouse expect monogamy? That's too much to ask from our type, and we understand that of each other. Our marriages are about money, a backup source for sex, and getting ahead. Restricting an ambitious person with traditional monogamy is just a recipe for disappointment. That's not even what you married them for.

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« Reply #1325 on: March 14, 2025, 10:43:14 AM »
We have to remove Trump from office. Apparently I’m not the only one with this thought. There are tons of threads on this topic, with some very complete plans.

https://www.reddit.com/r/50501/comments/1j0o5pl/we_cannot_accept_anything_less_than_the_removal/

Off the top of my head I think the options are:

25th amendment
14th amendment
Treason
Election irregularity investigation
Impeachment

Note that even if these “don’t work”, they occupy his time & waning life energy.

Let’s not forget how effective the Tesla boycott has been. Musk to the point of tears, Trump shilling Teslas in front of the White House just like he shilled cans of Goya Black Beans. We have the power.

Very good detail in the piece below.

From
https://theradicalfederalist.substack.com/p/the-protest-playbook-how-to-win-real
Quote
VI. No More Symbolic Protest: The Time to Act is Now

No more marches that lead nowhere. No more symbolic demonstrations that politicians ignore.

History shows that only strategic, escalating movements succeed:

Hong Kong (2019)—Mass strikes, encrypted coordination, citywide flash mobs.
Chile (2019)—General strikes, occupations, a new constitution forced.
India (2021)—Highway blockades, year-long protests, laws repealed.

Now, it’s our turn.

Seize local power—demand radical federalist policies at the state level.
Escalate strategically—rallies, sit-ins, blockades, strikes.
Stay organized—encrypted communication, decentralized actions, and persistence.
No more waiting. No more excuses. The system will not fix itself.

Organize your city. Seize your state. Build real power.
As I've noted before, the political winners throughout history - regardless of political ideology - have been organized down to the level of potluck dinners, weekly house meetings, and book clubs. For such individuals (revolutionaries, abolitionists, suffragists, labor organizers, anti-abortion religious activists, 2nd amendment activists, etc.) the advocacy of a political position is merged into a lifestyle that involves sincere friendships, meaningful projects, and the provision of economically valuable support to one's fellow activists. A clique is formed that has its own appeal, that attracts move people to join, that gives people a vehicle and clear first step to join the movement, that establishes a working subculture, and that forms a visible opposition that strikes fear into the cold, calculating hearts of politicians.

The modern left has largely abandoned these principles for at least the past 50 years. Instead, they've focused on fundraising to buy ads, courtroom strategies, games with demographic labels, and noisy demonstrations that go nowhere. New ideals of hyper-individualism have replaced the solidarity and collective action of the past, and as a result we have lots of "we ought to" comments on the internet and nobody showing up to meetings.

The far right has gone the other direction, toward collectivism in the physical world. Thus we see activist churches, militias and gun clubs, think tanks, business groups, social media companies forming an alt-right pipeline, and international coordination with allies like Russia. Their reality-based organizing and subculture development has yielded the results seen today.

So I suppose what the world needs to return to balance is not a louder demonstration. It is a shift toward collective action and real-life community by the left, which has become absent from the real world of politcs and absorbed into consumerism, fiction, and social media centric lifestyles. A whole new ideological direction might be needed, and so far I see nothing sprouting on this front.

Yes I agree with this pretty much 100%, especially about "the lefts" ability to organize and create communities based on shared values. Democrats have nothing like the organizing power of churches which IMO is what enabled the creation of militias, gun clubs, think tanks, business groups, etc. They all were born from churches, particularly the wealth and organizational capability of the evangelical church community.

The problem is that these kinds of communities don't spring up overnight and are very hard to sustain.
« Last Edit: March 14, 2025, 10:45:03 AM by sixwings »

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Re: Trump 2.0
« Reply #1326 on: March 14, 2025, 11:26:49 AM »
We have to remove Trump from office. Apparently I’m not the only one with this thought. There are tons of threads on this topic, with some very complete plans.

https://www.reddit.com/r/50501/comments/1j0o5pl/we_cannot_accept_anything_less_than_the_removal/

Off the top of my head I think the options are:

25th amendment
14th amendment
Treason
Election irregularity investigation
Impeachment

Note that even if these “don’t work”, they occupy his time & waning life energy.

Let’s not forget how effective the Tesla boycott has been. Musk to the point of tears, Trump shilling Teslas in front of the White House just like he shilled cans of Goya Black Beans. We have the power.

Very good detail in the piece below.

From
https://theradicalfederalist.substack.com/p/the-protest-playbook-how-to-win-real
Quote
VI. No More Symbolic Protest: The Time to Act is Now

No more marches that lead nowhere. No more symbolic demonstrations that politicians ignore.

History shows that only strategic, escalating movements succeed:

Hong Kong (2019)—Mass strikes, encrypted coordination, citywide flash mobs.
Chile (2019)—General strikes, occupations, a new constitution forced.
India (2021)—Highway blockades, year-long protests, laws repealed.

Now, it’s our turn.

Seize local power—demand radical federalist policies at the state level.
Escalate strategically—rallies, sit-ins, blockades, strikes.
Stay organized—encrypted communication, decentralized actions, and persistence.
No more waiting. No more excuses. The system will not fix itself.

Organize your city. Seize your state. Build real power.
As I've noted before, the political winners throughout history - regardless of political ideology - have been organized down to the level of potluck dinners, weekly house meetings, and book clubs. For such individuals (revolutionaries, abolitionists, suffragists, labor organizers, anti-abortion religious activists, 2nd amendment activists, etc.) the advocacy of a political position is merged into a lifestyle that involves sincere friendships, meaningful projects, and the provision of economically valuable support to one's fellow activists. A clique is formed that has its own appeal, that attracts move people to join, that gives people a vehicle and clear first step to join the movement, that establishes a working subculture, and that forms a visible opposition that strikes fear into the cold, calculating hearts of politicians.

The modern left has largely abandoned these principles for at least the past 50 years. Instead, they've focused on fundraising to buy ads, courtroom strategies, games with demographic labels, and noisy demonstrations that go nowhere. New ideals of hyper-individualism have replaced the solidarity and collective action of the past, and as a result we have lots of "we ought to" comments on the internet and nobody showing up to meetings.

The far right has gone the other direction, toward collectivism in the physical world. Thus we see activist churches, militias and gun clubs, think tanks, business groups, social media companies forming an alt-right pipeline, and international coordination with allies like Russia. Their reality-based organizing and subculture development has yielded the results seen today.

So I suppose what the world needs to return to balance is not a louder demonstration. It is a shift toward collective action and real-life community by the left, which has become absent from the real world of politcs and absorbed into consumerism, fiction, and social media centric lifestyles. A whole new ideological direction might be needed, and so far I see nothing sprouting on this front.

Yes I agree with this pretty much 100%, especially about "the lefts" ability to organize and create communities based on shared values. Democrats have nothing like the organizing power of churches which IMO is what enabled the creation of militias, gun clubs, think tanks, business groups, etc. They all were born from churches, particularly the wealth and organizational capability of the evangelical church community.

The problem is that these kinds of communities don't spring up overnight and are very hard to sustain.

Ah, so the Black church is nothing?

Ah, so Democratic and liberal gun owners don’t exist?

Ah, so “liberal think tanks” don’t exist?

If all of this is true, why are people like Fauci, the Clintons, the Obamas, Soros and Gates villified by the right?

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« Reply #1327 on: March 14, 2025, 11:28:59 AM »
    “Cheryl doesn’t feel Bobby can be trusted one iota living on his own, in D.C.,

I never understand if this is your marriage dynamic, why do you even stay married to this guy? Clearly no trust or respect, so what's the point?
As far as I'm concerned; if a spouse ever has to say "don't do this because it might make you cheat" the marriage is over.
(and if it's just for the money; why would she care what he does? See: Melania Trump)
There are simply different types of personalities, and some have more allure or seductiveness than others, to different types of receivers.
One of the best lines imho in Star Wars was when the smuggler told the princess: "You like villains."
Because that is true. The electrifying knowlegde of being close to one so dangerous, to be of interest to him, maybe to be the one that puts him on the right track again...
If you take rakes like Casanova, everyone knew who he was. And the ladies still wanted to meet him, even though his looks really weren't that good. And if he ignored them, it would make the ladies angry. Weren't they good enough for him?
But maybe he would go after them once he had time to really look at them, mounting roofs, decieving guvernantes and tricking husbands...

I am pretty sure for those who have an affair and then marry the man after his divorce, it's part of that "it's forbidden, which makes it exiting" dynamic. They might even (unconsciously) expect him to have an affair. That's ok. As long as he always comes back to her, proving that she is the only one he really loves...


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« Reply #1328 on: March 14, 2025, 12:08:08 PM »
We have to remove Trump from office. Apparently I’m not the only one with this thought. There are tons of threads on this topic, with some very complete plans.

https://www.reddit.com/r/50501/comments/1j0o5pl/we_cannot_accept_anything_less_than_the_removal/

Off the top of my head I think the options are:

25th amendment
14th amendment
Treason
Election irregularity investigation
Impeachment

Note that even if these “don’t work”, they occupy his time & waning life energy.

Let’s not forget how effective the Tesla boycott has been. Musk to the point of tears, Trump shilling Teslas in front of the White House just like he shilled cans of Goya Black Beans. We have the power.

Very good detail in the piece below.

From
https://theradicalfederalist.substack.com/p/the-protest-playbook-how-to-win-real
Quote
VI. No More Symbolic Protest: The Time to Act is Now

No more marches that lead nowhere. No more symbolic demonstrations that politicians ignore.

History shows that only strategic, escalating movements succeed:

Hong Kong (2019)—Mass strikes, encrypted coordination, citywide flash mobs.
Chile (2019)—General strikes, occupations, a new constitution forced.
India (2021)—Highway blockades, year-long protests, laws repealed.

Now, it’s our turn.

Seize local power—demand radical federalist policies at the state level.
Escalate strategically—rallies, sit-ins, blockades, strikes.
Stay organized—encrypted communication, decentralized actions, and persistence.
No more waiting. No more excuses. The system will not fix itself.

Organize your city. Seize your state. Build real power.
As I've noted before, the political winners throughout history - regardless of political ideology - have been organized down to the level of potluck dinners, weekly house meetings, and book clubs. For such individuals (revolutionaries, abolitionists, suffragists, labor organizers, anti-abortion religious activists, 2nd amendment activists, etc.) the advocacy of a political position is merged into a lifestyle that involves sincere friendships, meaningful projects, and the provision of economically valuable support to one's fellow activists. A clique is formed that has its own appeal, that attracts move people to join, that gives people a vehicle and clear first step to join the movement, that establishes a working subculture, and that forms a visible opposition that strikes fear into the cold, calculating hearts of politicians.

The modern left has largely abandoned these principles for at least the past 50 years. Instead, they've focused on fundraising to buy ads, courtroom strategies, games with demographic labels, and noisy demonstrations that go nowhere. New ideals of hyper-individualism have replaced the solidarity and collective action of the past, and as a result we have lots of "we ought to" comments on the internet and nobody showing up to meetings.

The far right has gone the other direction, toward collectivism in the physical world. Thus we see activist churches, militias and gun clubs, think tanks, business groups, social media companies forming an alt-right pipeline, and international coordination with allies like Russia. Their reality-based organizing and subculture development has yielded the results seen today.

So I suppose what the world needs to return to balance is not a louder demonstration. It is a shift toward collective action and real-life community by the left, which has become absent from the real world of politcs and absorbed into consumerism, fiction, and social media centric lifestyles. A whole new ideological direction might be needed, and so far I see nothing sprouting on this front.

Yes I agree with this pretty much 100%, especially about "the lefts" ability to organize and create communities based on shared values. Democrats have nothing like the organizing power of churches which IMO is what enabled the creation of militias, gun clubs, think tanks, business groups, etc. They all were born from churches, particularly the wealth and organizational capability of the evangelical church community.

The problem is that these kinds of communities don't spring up overnight and are very hard to sustain.
Ah, so the Black church is nothing?

Ah, so Democratic and liberal gun owners don’t exist?

Ah, so “liberal think tanks” don’t exist?

If all of this is true, why are people like Fauci, the Clintons, the Obamas, Soros and Gates villified by the right?
Not sure you read what I wrote. Also... The Black Church is not liberal (see anti-LGBT, anti-choice, traditionalist stance). Liberal gun owners don't organize and enjoy the hobby together like NRA affiliated gun and hunting clubs. There is no liberal answer to the scale and influence of the Federalist Society. And the individuals mentioned are not grassroots organizations.

As @sixwings noted, real-world communities take time to establish.... well, unless you are founding a right-wing evangelical church. The left has overseen the steady attrition of their grass roots for several decades now. There has been plenty of time. That's why I suspect there is an ideological barrier.

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« Reply #1329 on: March 14, 2025, 12:38:31 PM »
We have to remove Trump from office. Apparently I’m not the only one with this thought. There are tons of threads on this topic, with some very complete plans.

https://www.reddit.com/r/50501/comments/1j0o5pl/we_cannot_accept_anything_less_than_the_removal/

Off the top of my head I think the options are:

25th amendment
14th amendment
Treason
Election irregularity investigation
Impeachment

Note that even if these “don’t work”, they occupy his time & waning life energy.

Let’s not forget how effective the Tesla boycott has been. Musk to the point of tears, Trump shilling Teslas in front of the White House just like he shilled cans of Goya Black Beans. We have the power.

Very good detail in the piece below.

From
https://theradicalfederalist.substack.com/p/the-protest-playbook-how-to-win-real
Quote
VI. No More Symbolic Protest: The Time to Act is Now

No more marches that lead nowhere. No more symbolic demonstrations that politicians ignore.

History shows that only strategic, escalating movements succeed:

Hong Kong (2019)—Mass strikes, encrypted coordination, citywide flash mobs.
Chile (2019)—General strikes, occupations, a new constitution forced.
India (2021)—Highway blockades, year-long protests, laws repealed.

Now, it’s our turn.

Seize local power—demand radical federalist policies at the state level.
Escalate strategically—rallies, sit-ins, blockades, strikes.
Stay organized—encrypted communication, decentralized actions, and persistence.
No more waiting. No more excuses. The system will not fix itself.

Organize your city. Seize your state. Build real power.
As I've noted before, the political winners throughout history - regardless of political ideology - have been organized down to the level of potluck dinners, weekly house meetings, and book clubs. For such individuals (revolutionaries, abolitionists, suffragists, labor organizers, anti-abortion religious activists, 2nd amendment activists, etc.) the advocacy of a political position is merged into a lifestyle that involves sincere friendships, meaningful projects, and the provision of economically valuable support to one's fellow activists. A clique is formed that has its own appeal, that attracts move people to join, that gives people a vehicle and clear first step to join the movement, that establishes a working subculture, and that forms a visible opposition that strikes fear into the cold, calculating hearts of politicians.

The modern left has largely abandoned these principles for at least the past 50 years. Instead, they've focused on fundraising to buy ads, courtroom strategies, games with demographic labels, and noisy demonstrations that go nowhere. New ideals of hyper-individualism have replaced the solidarity and collective action of the past, and as a result we have lots of "we ought to" comments on the internet and nobody showing up to meetings.

The far right has gone the other direction, toward collectivism in the physical world. Thus we see activist churches, militias and gun clubs, think tanks, business groups, social media companies forming an alt-right pipeline, and international coordination with allies like Russia. Their reality-based organizing and subculture development has yielded the results seen today.

So I suppose what the world needs to return to balance is not a louder demonstration. It is a shift toward collective action and real-life community by the left, which has become absent from the real world of politcs and absorbed into consumerism, fiction, and social media centric lifestyles. A whole new ideological direction might be needed, and so far I see nothing sprouting on this front.

Yes I agree with this pretty much 100%, especially about "the lefts" ability to organize and create communities based on shared values. Democrats have nothing like the organizing power of churches which IMO is what enabled the creation of militias, gun clubs, think tanks, business groups, etc. They all were born from churches, particularly the wealth and organizational capability of the evangelical church community.

The problem is that these kinds of communities don't spring up overnight and are very hard to sustain.
Ah, so the Black church is nothing?

Ah, so Democratic and liberal gun owners don’t exist?

Ah, so “liberal think tanks” don’t exist?

If all of this is true, why are people like Fauci, the Clintons, the Obamas, Soros and Gates villified by the right?
Not sure you read what I wrote. Also... The Black Church is not liberal (see anti-LGBT, anti-choice, traditionalist stance). Liberal gun owners don't organize and enjoy the hobby together like NRA affiliated gun and hunting clubs. There is no liberal answer to the scale and influence of the Federalist Society. And the individuals mentioned are not grassroots organizations.

As @sixwings noted, real-world communities take time to establish.... well, unless you are founding a right-wing evangelical church. The left has overseen the steady attrition of their grass roots for several decades now. There has been plenty of time. That's why I suspect there is an ideological barrier.


Yep, there have been democrats aligned successes, but America has been moving right pretty solidly since at least 2008. Dem positions are what moderate conservatives were 15 years ago. Democrats and “the left” (which is a term I reallly hate but don’t have better options) having absolutely nothing like the power and organization of the heritage foundation, the federalist society, or the evangelical church all of which also work closely together to ensure alignment. I believe these organizations were even set up by the evangelical churches to drive their priorities but I could be wrong about that. The wealth and organizational capability of these institutions keep republicans in line and drive the narratives with them. Like Bill Gates, if he’s even considered a liberal, is not setting up a liberal version of the heritage foundation and federalist society with the government control that those organizations possess.

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« Reply #1330 on: March 14, 2025, 12:54:17 PM »
The simpler reasons as to why Democrats are political losers are these:

1) When Democrats have power they do nothing to consolidate power.
Obama had a super-majority in the Senate. Why aren't Puerto Rico and DC states? More Democratic states have non-partisan district lines than Republican states, etc.

2) Not focusing on bread and butter issues and then getting wedged on any social issue.
Republicans don't talk about all the crap they're going to do. They just talk about "people should enter the country legally, drugs bad, less taxes, no males in female sports", sounds good to most people. Then when they get elected they fire everyone and do all the project 2025 crazy shit. Democrats can help trans or other issues by not talking about it, winning, then protecting them.

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« Reply #1331 on: March 14, 2025, 01:48:31 PM »
I expect that the current Supreme Court will find that the 'sex' mentioned in is a reference to the act of having sex (ie how much sex you're having), not to gender.  This is less convoluted than the way the conservative SC explained away the whole militia part in the 2nd Amendment. 

Some GOP person will declare women's right to vote to be too "woke" or the consequence of DEI initiatives and rule it illegal for women or minorities to vote. We will truly return to 1905 or similar.

No it won’t be that blatant. It will be laws that make it very hard/impossible for them to vote, like your ID must match your name at birth, which is gaining traction, stuff like that.

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« Reply #1332 on: March 14, 2025, 02:31:43 PM »
Trump on the mic praising the judge that bent over backwards to drag out his stolen files case, still shit-talking Ukraine as if they started the war, and declaring that MSNBC and other networks that don't like him should be outlawed.

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1900640888067440812

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« Reply #1333 on: March 14, 2025, 04:12:39 PM »
Trump ought to be outlawed. The big bully... :(

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« Reply #1334 on: March 14, 2025, 05:02:20 PM »
Pentagon drawing up plans for Panama ranging from imperialism to armed invasion.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-white-house-asked-us-military-develop-options-panama-canal-offic-rcna195994?



New Hampshire election requiring your birth name to match your voting record predictably screws married women. GOP wants this nationally.

https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2025-03-11/nhs-new-id-requirements-send-some-would-be-voters-home-to-grab-passports-birth-certificates

Sigh.

Time for women to stop talking their husband's last name.  They keep doing these things and then wonder why women are into the 4B movement (or is it 5, 6, 7, 8 by now?).

And New Hampshire.  What happened with the State license plate?   Live Free or Die


What kind of bullshit is this?

I mean, yeah, idk why so many women keep changing their names either, but wtf.

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« Reply #1335 on: March 15, 2025, 06:37:51 AM »
I think the three pillars that made America into the greatest democratic powerhouse ever: (a) strong, dominating military and alliances that promote (b) global trade and (c) the encouragement of trustworthy democratic elections throughout the world.

This established the US dollar as the world's standard currency and all the advantages that entails (hint: it's a big deal). This is the post war America of the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s. It was also the Republican party platform. "Globalism" is suddenly bad.

If anyone thinks turning on your democratic allies and threatening them with takeovers (plus sucking up to invading dictators) while shrinking back to an economy of isolationism and trade wars is going to make your life better, you are in for a hard lesson. The US is fast becoming viewed as a traitor nation by the free world. The dollar will become internationally worth less and less.

And wrapped up in all this for some reason, vaccines are suddenly bad, right? Yeah. the Kremlin wants you to believe Polio, smallpox, measles are great right? People lived about 30 or 40 years on average before science. You had to have 6 kids so 2 would make it to adulthood.

This is how an empire dies. Put the nail in the coffin by breaking Social Security and Medicare so bad that people get so frustrated with it and they end it. Let the elderly just fend for themselves so the wealthiest 5% can get the last bit of it. End all the federal checks and balances. Look how efficient we are. With Mussolini in charge, the trains ran on time. The world will not be better when China takes the helm. They already have a hand on the wheel. Good job America, we showed those Mexican farm workers and trans athletes who is boss.
 


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« Reply #1336 on: March 15, 2025, 07:28:51 AM »
Wow, well said and succinct.
How do we get this into the ears of those that need to hear it, and to those have the power to do what needs to be done?

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« Reply #1337 on: March 15, 2025, 07:32:26 AM »
The simpler reasons as to why Democrats are political losers are these:

1) When Democrats have power they do nothing to consolidate power.
Obama had a super-majority in the Senate. Why aren't Puerto Rico and DC states? More Democratic states have non-partisan district lines than Republican states, etc.

2) Not focusing on bread and butter issues and then getting wedged on any social issue.
Republicans don't talk about all the crap they're going to do. They just talk about "people should enter the country legally, drugs bad, less taxes, no males in female sports", sounds good to most people. Then when they get elected they fire everyone and do all the project 2025 crazy shit. Democrats can help trans or other issues by not talking about it, winning, then protecting them.

Nope, had a bare minimum majority for 4 months during which the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) was passed. 
https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2012/09/09/when-obama-had-total-control/985146007/

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« Reply #1338 on: March 15, 2025, 10:37:26 AM »
The simpler reasons as to why Democrats are political losers are these:

1) When Democrats have power they do nothing to consolidate power.
Obama had a super-majority in the Senate. Why aren't Puerto Rico and DC states? More Democratic states have non-partisan district lines than Republican states, etc.

2) Not focusing on bread and butter issues and then getting wedged on any social issue.
Republicans don't talk about all the crap they're going to do. They just talk about "people should enter the country legally, drugs bad, less taxes, no males in female sports", sounds good to most people. Then when they get elected they fire everyone and do all the project 2025 crazy shit. Democrats can help trans or other issues by not talking about it, winning, then protecting them.

Nope, had a bare minimum majority for 4 months during which the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) was passed. 
https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2012/09/09/when-obama-had-total-control/985146007/

I was saying super-majority as in 60 democratic caucusing senators. He did have 60 for a couple of months. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress But even if he didn't, easy peasy, toss the filibuster and make two new states. Pack the supreme court, do things! But no... the affordable care act which was a compromise health legislation that republicans then didn't vote for was all they could do. Democrats are weak, so they lose.

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« Reply #1339 on: March 15, 2025, 10:40:49 AM »
Consolidating power, better propaganda, some kind of charismatic anti-Trump figurehead, some people are even fantasizing about a Dem-friendly military coup… Turning the Dems into the GOP is a terrible idea.

None of these are solutions to a wannabe fascist. The solution that has consistently worked around the world is focused protest and boycott.

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« Reply #1340 on: March 15, 2025, 10:41:51 AM »
I do agree that both sides deploy wedge issues that they never fix intentionally, and I hate that. For example women’s rights.

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« Reply #1341 on: March 15, 2025, 10:48:22 AM »
The simpler reasons as to why Democrats are political losers are these:

1) When Democrats have power they do nothing to consolidate power.
Obama had a super-majority in the Senate. Why aren't Puerto Rico and DC states? More Democratic states have non-partisan district lines than Republican states, etc.

2) Not focusing on bread and butter issues and then getting wedged on any social issue.
Republicans don't talk about all the crap they're going to do. They just talk about "people should enter the country legally, drugs bad, less taxes, no males in female sports", sounds good to most people. Then when they get elected they fire everyone and do all the project 2025 crazy shit. Democrats can help trans or other issues by not talking about it, winning, then protecting them.

Nope, had a bare minimum majority for 4 months during which the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) was passed. 
https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2012/09/09/when-obama-had-total-control/985146007/

I was saying super-majority as in 60 democratic caucusing senators. He did have 60 for a couple of months. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress But even if he didn't, easy peasy, toss the filibuster and make two new states. Pack the supreme court, do things! But no... the affordable care act which was a compromise health legislation that republicans then didn't vote for was all they could do. Democrats are weak, so they lose.

It's not quite that simple.

Democrats have been trying to include concessions to Republicans as the Republican party has drifted further and further towards extremism.  In a functioning democracy, that's a sensible way to govern.  Even if you don't agree with the other side they're still citizens and their representative are voicing their concerns.  Republicans have taken a winner take all, one side of the country vs the other approach that focuses on bending, breaking, and subverting the will of the people.  It has recently been shown very effective . . . but would you really feel comfortable supporting the Democrats if they tried the same?  I wouldn't.  It's not going to be easier with both parties refusing to act like adults.

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« Reply #1342 on: March 15, 2025, 11:03:26 AM »
The simpler reasons as to why Democrats are political losers are these:

1) When Democrats have power they do nothing to consolidate power.
Obama had a super-majority in the Senate. Why aren't Puerto Rico and DC states? More Democratic states have non-partisan district lines than Republican states, etc.

2) Not focusing on bread and butter issues and then getting wedged on any social issue.
Republicans don't talk about all the crap they're going to do. They just talk about "people should enter the country legally, drugs bad, less taxes, no males in female sports", sounds good to most people. Then when they get elected they fire everyone and do all the project 2025 crazy shit. Democrats can help trans or other issues by not talking about it, winning, then protecting them.

Nope, had a bare minimum majority for 4 months during which the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) was passed. 
https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2012/09/09/when-obama-had-total-control/985146007/

I was saying super-majority as in 60 democratic caucusing senators. He did have 60 for a couple of months. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress But even if he didn't, easy peasy, toss the filibuster and make two new states. Pack the supreme court, do things! But no... the affordable care act which was a compromise health legislation that republicans then didn't vote for was all they could do. Democrats are weak, so they lose.

It's not quite that simple.

Democrats have been trying to include concessions to Republicans as the Republican party has drifted further and further towards extremism.  In a functioning democracy, that's a sensible way to govern.  Even if you don't agree with the other side they're still citizens and their representative are voicing their concerns.  Republicans have taken a winner take all, one side of the country vs the other approach that focuses on bending, breaking, and subverting the will of the people.  It has recently been shown very effective . . . but would you really feel comfortable supporting the Democrats if they tried the same?  I wouldn't.  It's not going to be easier with both parties refusing to act like adults.

Concessions are OK on some things, not on others. Giving the people of DC and Puerto Rico a vote in their own government them seems like a good hill to die on. Now DC may have their entire budget ripped away by the feds for the lolz. The Democrats could have prevented this. I'm not suggesting campaigning on this issue, because it's a loser, I'm suggesting when you win making it the #1 priority.

If Republican tactics are good at getting their policies enacted and winnings elections, the proper response is not to take the high road, but to learn from those tactics and find ways to use them (or other tactics) to win.

I would have no problems with voting for Democratic gerrymanders and creating new states.

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« Reply #1343 on: March 15, 2025, 03:57:23 PM »
Trump just shut down Voice of America. A directive straight from the Kremlin.

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« Reply #1344 on: March 15, 2025, 04:15:09 PM »
Trump just shut down Voice of America. A directive straight from the Kremlin.

China will be very pleased, as well.  Radio Free Asia was broadcasting in Tibetan, Uyghur, etc.  Until now.

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« Reply #1345 on: March 15, 2025, 04:22:12 PM »
Trump just shut down Voice of America. A directive straight from the Kremlin.

China will be very pleased, as well.  Radio Free Asia was broadcasting in Tibetan, Uyghur, etc.  Until now.

The irony of Trump giving the job of director of VofA to Kari Lake, his diehard supporter, and then defunding it 2 months later.

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« Reply #1346 on: March 15, 2025, 04:45:13 PM »
He just invoked the Enemy Aliens act (not sure I got the name correct).  Only for times of war, only used in the War of 1812-1814, WWI and WWII. 

Did I miss a country declaring war on the US? /s

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« Reply #1347 on: March 15, 2025, 06:08:27 PM »
Trump just shut down Voice of America. A directive straight from the Kremlin.

And reassigned General Kellogg to be envoy to just Ukraine because Putin didn't like talking to him.

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« Reply #1348 on: March 15, 2025, 06:14:23 PM »
He just invoked the Enemy Aliens act (not sure I got the name correct).  Only for times of war, only used in the War of 1812-1814, WWI and WWII. 

Did I miss a country declaring war on the US? /s

To go after a terrorist group from Venezuela, he's targeting basically any Venezuelan non-citizen (includes visa holders) over the age of 14. DoJ lawyers are in court at this moment arguing that Trump should be able to throw anybody suspected of fitting this description onto a plane no questions asked.

https://x.com/chrisgeidner/status/1901000976074764625?s=46&t=LW5bfaJ3Q5CiuE5gtk6oxw

https://x.com/reichlinmelnick/status/1901003986511012046?s=46&t=hrjt8iwxulE5iC_E3yIw8A

ICE put a plane in the air while the judge was hearing the case. He's since ordered it turned around, but as of this moment I don't know if it happened.

https://bsky.app/profile/joshuaerlich.bsky.social/post/3lkh5y2hchc2x

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« Reply #1349 on: March 15, 2025, 06:55:11 PM »
He just invoked the Enemy Aliens act (not sure I got the name correct).  Only for times of war, only used in the War of 1812-1814, WWI and WWII. 

Did I miss a country declaring war on the US? /s

To go after a terrorist group from Venezuela, he's targeting basically any Venezuelan non-citizen (includes visa holders) over the age of 14. DoJ lawyers are in court at this moment arguing that Trump should be able to throw anybody suspected of fitting this description onto a plane no questions asked.

https://x.com/chrisgeidner/status/1901000976074764625?s=46&t=LW5bfaJ3Q5CiuE5gtk6oxw

https://x.com/reichlinmelnick/status/1901003986511012046?s=46&t=hrjt8iwxulE5iC_E3yIw8A

ICE put a plane in the air while the judge was hearing the case. He's since ordered it turned around, but as of this moment I don't know if it happened.

https://bsky.app/profile/joshuaerlich.bsky.social/post/3lkh5y2hchc2x

He has peacetime laws for dealing with terrorist groups.  So does Canada and I'm sure most other countries.

He is pushing to see how far he can go.  Looks like ICE is being a cooperative tool.  Is being a sociopath a hiring requirement?   /s maybe, maybe not.

So.  German tourist gets put in jail for some bogus reason and misses her plane home.  That helps European tourism.  War is declared on Venezuelans.   That improves relations with South America.  He's already got Canada totally pissed.

Sounds like a great way to isolate a country.