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Re: Trump 2.0
« Reply #1200 on: March 04, 2025, 06:49:53 PM »
While Trump lies tonight in his address, we're watching Zelensky's series on Netflix.

Have you watched Trudeau's address?  He nailed it.

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« Reply #1201 on: March 04, 2025, 06:54:04 PM »
Yes actually, watched that before dinner. Excellent. So many leaders I'd trade Trump and his whole team for.

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« Reply #1202 on: March 04, 2025, 09:54:43 PM »
VA planning massive cuts this year

https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2025/03/va-plans-lay-many-83000-employees-year/403477/


In one of his many disgusting moments during the SOTUS, Trump threw Rubio under the bus regarding Panama. Rubio is a coward who deserves all the criticism thrown at him, especially after this.

https://x.com/VeraMBergen/status/1897131443735945438

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« Reply #1203 on: March 05, 2025, 06:23:11 AM »
i don't understand how they expect federal workers to return to office when they are intending on selling entire buildings that are currently occupied! And in fact are going to be over ful when rto is complete. Either they truly are doing away with the federal workforce. Or it's a grift where these properties are going to be sold for pennies on the dollar, then rented back to taxpayers. This entire bulletin is BS. https://www.gsa.gov/about-us/newsroom/news-releases/statement-regarding-gsas-disposal-of-noncore-assets-03042025
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« Reply #1204 on: March 05, 2025, 06:32:21 AM »
I want to point out that the VA is keeping up with the increased workload entailed by the PACT act, but that keeping up is not uniform. There are some sites that are understaffed, and now with the hiring freeze and other actions, even if doctors are not cut all their support staff are. Doctors don't work in a vacuum ! Seventy percent of doctors in the US trained at VA at some point of their career. If you cripple VA you are not only hurting vets and their families, it's going to cause strain and torpedo the future trajectory of healthcare across the US.
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« Reply #1205 on: March 05, 2025, 06:32:46 AM »
From here, it looks like 50% grift and 50% Putin.  Grifters get money, and Putin's Russia is nicely set up for grifters.

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« Reply #1206 on: March 05, 2025, 06:49:40 AM »
i don't understand how they expect federal workers to return to office when they are intending on selling entire buildings that are currently occupied! And in fact are going to be over ful when rto is complete. Either they truly are doing away with the federal workforce. Or it's a grift where these properties are going to be sold for pennies on the dollar, then rented back to taxpayers. This entire bulletin is BS. https://www.gsa.gov/about-us/newsroom/news-releases/statement-regarding-gsas-disposal-of-noncore-assets-03042025

I will just advise you to remember that all career government employees at GSA feel the same way. When I read what they put on the website I rolled my eyes because they made it sound like all of these buildings are vacant and they are not. Vacancy wasn’t even a consideration when determining which buildings became non-core. They put on the list every asset that wasn’t a courthouse with a sitting district judge, a land port of entry, or 50% or more law enforcement. Any asset that wasn’t strictly office space was put on the list regardless of current deficiencies, revenue, profit, or vacancy.

Prior to the administration change I was one of the people who decided which assets we would dispose of. That role has been taken away from me and our new overlords are making the decisions and won’t listen to any pushback or explanation of what will happen if we do the things they tell us to do. They don’t want “no” people who point out potential problems. They want “yes” people who do it quickly.

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« Reply #1207 on: March 05, 2025, 07:43:39 AM »
He is literally selling out America. I wonder if some of those with "golden visas" such as from Russia will be buying?
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« Reply #1208 on: March 05, 2025, 07:46:12 AM »
i don't understand how they expect federal workers to return to office when they are intending on selling entire buildings that are currently occupied! And in fact are going to be over ful when rto is complete. Either they truly are doing away with the federal workforce. Or it's a grift where these properties are going to be sold for pennies on the dollar, then rented back to taxpayers. This entire bulletin is BS. https://www.gsa.gov/about-us/newsroom/news-releases/statement-regarding-gsas-disposal-of-noncore-assets-03042025

I will just advise you to remember that all career government employees at GSA feel the same way. When I read what they put on the website I rolled my eyes because they made it sound like all of these buildings are vacant and they are not. Vacancy wasn’t even a consideration when determining which buildings became non-core. They put on the list every asset that wasn’t a courthouse with a sitting district judge, a land port of entry, or 50% or more law enforcement. Any asset that wasn’t strictly office space was put on the list regardless of current deficiencies, revenue, profit, or vacancy.

Prior to the administration change I was one of the people who decided which assets we would dispose of. That role has been taken away from me and our new overlords are making the decisions and won’t listen to any pushback or explanation of what will happen if we do the things they tell us to do. They don’t want “no” people who point out potential problems. They want “yes” people who do it quickly.
. Thank you for posting. I hope people who are not fed, are listening to those inside the burning building. "This is not normal". Indeed

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« Reply #1209 on: March 05, 2025, 08:00:25 AM »
From here, it looks like 50% grift and 50% Putin.  Grifters get money, and Putin's Russia is nicely set up for grifters.

Yes I am being particularly negative all over Off Topic this morning.

Didn't seem particularly negative to me.

The site in my area on the excess list is a busy, staffed site I've used, it's well located and convenient, with good service and good wait times. Coming soon, check cashing place instead I guess. Unleash some greatness.

As you note, there will definitely be winners in this smash n grab.

Some of us are listening and tried to prevent this, and think he's just getting started. There is so much more coming. And not much to do to try to stop it.

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« Reply #1210 on: March 05, 2025, 08:37:25 AM »
I think that Adam Sosomething had a nice analysis of the three factors that make Trump's team tick (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijtYJrVBG_M&ab_channel=AdamSomething).

It's an alliance of fascists (including neo-nazis, christian fascists, etc. and represented by JD Vance, Mike Johnson, Steve Bannon, Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, Ann Coulter - who want to remake the country like the 1950s - more religious, more white, less diverse, and less gay), corporatists (represented by Zuckerberg, Bezos, Altman, Pitchai, Huang, Cook, Thiel - they just want to suck as much money from the corpse of America and pick the bones clean and if they aren't already they're hoping to become oligarchs), and the incompetent (represented by Trump and the useless but loyal faithful who he constantly hires to positions of power when left to his own devices).

Musk is incredibly popular in MAGAland because he bridges the gap - he's got strong fascist tendencies, is a corporatist, and has the ability to regularly and easily wow the incompetent.  If another country wants to do business with the new America they have to find a way to be more like Musk - appeasing the fascists, oligarchs, and incompetent alike.  Putin is a natural fit/match for all three, which is why the US keeps seeming to be aligning with him and his wishes.  None of the US's traditional allies are able to bridge all three of these pillars of MAGA - hence the pushing away of former friends.

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« Reply #1211 on: March 05, 2025, 09:15:49 AM »
I think that Adam Sosomething had a nice analysis of the three factors that make Trump's team tick (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijtYJrVBG_M&ab_channel=AdamSomething).

It's an alliance of fascists (including neo-nazis, christian fascists, etc. and represented by JD Vance, Mike Johnson, Steve Bannon, Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, Ann Coulter - who want to remake the country like the 1950s - more religious, more white, less diverse, and less gay), corporatists (represented by Zuckerberg, Bezos, Altman, Pitchai, Huang, Cook, Thiel - they just want to suck as much money from the corpse of America and pick the bones clean and if they aren't already they're hoping to become oligarchs), and the incompetent (represented by Trump and the useless but loyal faithful who he constantly hires to positions of power when left to his own devices).

Musk is incredibly popular in MAGAland because he bridges the gap - he's got strong fascist tendencies, is a corporatist, and has the ability to regularly and easily wow the incompetent.  If another country wants to do business with the new America they have to find a way to be more like Musk - appeasing the fascists, oligarchs, and incompetent alike.  Putin is a natural fit/match for all three, which is why the US keeps seeming to be aligning with him and his wishes.  None of the US's traditional allies are able to bridge all three of these pillars of MAGA - hence the pushing away of former friends.

TBH I doubt this coalition can hold for very long, a crisis that goes badly and the whole thing collapses in infighting. You just can't have this many incompetent morons who all seem to hate each other fighting their own stupid turf wars and not have it spectacularly collapse. The tariffs may be the breaking point, who is Trump going to blame as the US economy collapses and there's no competency to successfully make the transition to an insular economy (if it can even be done "successfully". If it's not tariffs it'll be bird flu, or China invading Taiwan, or NK invading SK, or Israel invading Iran and the entire middle east going up in flames and the US has to support Israel, etc. etc. There's a lot of potential catastrophes that could very easily occur over the next couple of years that this administration just straight up does not have the competence to deal with. Many of them self-imposed.

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« Reply #1212 on: March 05, 2025, 09:29:23 AM »
I think that Adam Sosomething had a nice analysis of the three factors that make Trump's team tick (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijtYJrVBG_M&ab_channel=AdamSomething).

It's an alliance of fascists (including neo-nazis, christian fascists, etc. and represented by JD Vance, Mike Johnson, Steve Bannon, Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, Ann Coulter - who want to remake the country like the 1950s - more religious, more white, less diverse, and less gay), corporatists (represented by Zuckerberg, Bezos, Altman, Pitchai, Huang, Cook, Thiel - they just want to suck as much money from the corpse of America and pick the bones clean and if they aren't already they're hoping to become oligarchs), and the incompetent (represented by Trump and the useless but loyal faithful who he constantly hires to positions of power when left to his own devices).

Musk is incredibly popular in MAGAland because he bridges the gap - he's got strong fascist tendencies, is a corporatist, and has the ability to regularly and easily wow the incompetent.  If another country wants to do business with the new America they have to find a way to be more like Musk - appeasing the fascists, oligarchs, and incompetent alike.  Putin is a natural fit/match for all three, which is why the US keeps seeming to be aligning with him and his wishes.  None of the US's traditional allies are able to bridge all three of these pillars of MAGA - hence the pushing away of former friends.

TBH I doubt this coalition can hold for very long, a crisis that goes badly and the whole thing collapses in infighting. You just can't have this many incompetent morons who all seem to hate each other fighting their own stupid turf wars and not have it spectacularly collapse. The tariffs may be the breaking point, who is Trump going to blame as the US economy collapses and there's no competency to successfully make the transition to an insular economy (if it can even be done "successfully". If it's not tariffs it'll be bird flu, or China invading Taiwan, or NK invading SK, or Israel invading Iran and the entire middle east going up in flames and the US has to support Israel, etc. etc. There's a lot of potential catastrophes that could very easily occur over the next couple of years that this administration just straight up does not have the competence to deal with. Many of them self-imposed.
I have been assuming that Trump is setting up Musk to be the fall guy when things go bad.

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« Reply #1213 on: March 05, 2025, 09:37:06 AM »
I think that Adam Sosomething had a nice analysis of the three factors that make Trump's team tick (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijtYJrVBG_M&ab_channel=AdamSomething).

It's an alliance of fascists (including neo-nazis, christian fascists, etc. and represented by JD Vance, Mike Johnson, Steve Bannon, Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, Ann Coulter - who want to remake the country like the 1950s - more religious, more white, less diverse, and less gay), corporatists (represented by Zuckerberg, Bezos, Altman, Pitchai, Huang, Cook, Thiel - they just want to suck as much money from the corpse of America and pick the bones clean and if they aren't already they're hoping to become oligarchs), and the incompetent (represented by Trump and the useless but loyal faithful who he constantly hires to positions of power when left to his own devices).

Musk is incredibly popular in MAGAland because he bridges the gap - he's got strong fascist tendencies, is a corporatist, and has the ability to regularly and easily wow the incompetent.  If another country wants to do business with the new America they have to find a way to be more like Musk - appeasing the fascists, oligarchs, and incompetent alike.  Putin is a natural fit/match for all three, which is why the US keeps seeming to be aligning with him and his wishes.  None of the US's traditional allies are able to bridge all three of these pillars of MAGA - hence the pushing away of former friends.

TBH I doubt this coalition can hold for very long, a crisis that goes badly and the whole thing collapses in infighting. You just can't have this many incompetent morons who all seem to hate each other fighting their own stupid turf wars and not have it spectacularly collapse. The tariffs may be the breaking point, who is Trump going to blame as the US economy collapses and there's no competency to successfully make the transition to an insular economy (if it can even be done "successfully". If it's not tariffs it'll be bird flu, or China invading Taiwan, or NK invading SK, or Israel invading Iran and the entire middle east going up in flames and the US has to support Israel, etc. etc. There's a lot of potential catastrophes that could very easily occur over the next couple of years that this administration just straight up does not have the competence to deal with. Many of them self-imposed.

I think they'll last a little longer.  Musk's threats to primary any congressional dissent is amazingly powerful.  Trump's ability to exile any dissent (see Liz Cheney) is also a great motivator for the coalition.

My prediction is that it falls apart around the end of this year.

Congressional Republicans are looking at some catastrophic budget math going into 2025 that requires legitimate hard choices.

The uniting factor of Republican ideology since Reagan has been the combination of lower taxes for high income individuals while attacking the government as wasteful.  This kept the party united as long as they could keep cutting taxes without actually cutting government service.

2025 is the year that math no longer works.  Congressional republicans aren't seriously talking about additional tax cuts any more.  It wasn't in their budget blueprint.  They are simply trying to extend the prior tax cuts.  Except the only way they can do it is to cut $4T+ in services over the next decade just to prevent taxes from going up.  Nearly a trillion of that is expected to come from Medicaid, which might kick ~20M people off of their health insurance.  Much of the rest comes from fuzzy budget math about counting for economic growth; which may not get past through the rules process.

They also need to have near unanimity among this coalition to get it passed.

The likely outcome is that we're looking at some type of tax increase combined with massive service cuts to make the math work.  The likelihood of this coalition staying together is near-zero.   

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« Reply #1214 on: March 05, 2025, 09:37:51 AM »
I think that Adam Sosomething had a nice analysis of the three factors that make Trump's team tick (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijtYJrVBG_M&ab_channel=AdamSomething).

It's an alliance of fascists (including neo-nazis, christian fascists, etc. and represented by JD Vance, Mike Johnson, Steve Bannon, Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, Ann Coulter - who want to remake the country like the 1950s - more religious, more white, less diverse, and less gay), corporatists (represented by Zuckerberg, Bezos, Altman, Pitchai, Huang, Cook, Thiel - they just want to suck as much money from the corpse of America and pick the bones clean and if they aren't already they're hoping to become oligarchs), and the incompetent (represented by Trump and the useless but loyal faithful who he constantly hires to positions of power when left to his own devices).

Musk is incredibly popular in MAGAland because he bridges the gap - he's got strong fascist tendencies, is a corporatist, and has the ability to regularly and easily wow the incompetent.  If another country wants to do business with the new America they have to find a way to be more like Musk - appeasing the fascists, oligarchs, and incompetent alike.  Putin is a natural fit/match for all three, which is why the US keeps seeming to be aligning with him and his wishes.  None of the US's traditional allies are able to bridge all three of these pillars of MAGA - hence the pushing away of former friends.

TBH I doubt this coalition can hold for very long, a crisis that goes badly and the whole thing collapses in infighting. You just can't have this many incompetent morons who all seem to hate each other fighting their own stupid turf wars and not have it spectacularly collapse. The tariffs may be the breaking point, who is Trump going to blame as the US economy collapses and there's no competency to successfully make the transition to an insular economy (if it can even be done "successfully". If it's not tariffs it'll be bird flu, or China invading Taiwan, or NK invading SK, or Israel invading Iran and the entire middle east going up in flames and the US has to support Israel, etc. etc. There's a lot of potential catastrophes that could very easily occur over the next couple of years that this administration just straight up does not have the competence to deal with. Many of them self-imposed.
I have been assuming that Trump is setting up Musk to be the fall guy when things go bad.

As a moron, I don't see Trump being able to outmaneuver Musk in that manner.  Maybe if some of the other corporatists tire of Musk and Trump follows their advice it could happen . . . but they would still have to deal with the unpopularity of this amoung the fascists (and many of the morons).

So far, the fascists and corporatists have been managing the morons pretty well.  If this pattern holds true, the corporatists will likely force a walk back of the tariffs within a few months before lasting damage is done to the US markets*.  There's some risk of an uprising by Americans if the markets really crash super hard, but that wouldn't help things at all.  It would immediately trigger the fascists to jump in and start demanding the end of rule of law as we know it now.  Most morons would jump on board with this, and that's the end of democracy in the US for the foreseeable future.

*Biggest risk here is that the fascists actually want to crash the economy hard to trigger the end of rule of law.



As for the specific other cases you raised:
- Another pandemic will certainly kill a lot of people, but won't hurt the corporatists or the fascists.  The morons won't be aware of the damage done to their number, so I don't see this as being a real problem.

- China invading Taiwan will likely raise the ire of the corporatists (most of them are big into tech, and tech depends on chips).  I suspect that it will also raise the ire of the fascists (fascists don't like shows of military might by other countries - particularly countries made up of "inferior" races).  My suspicion is that the US would probably act in this case.

- NK invading SK - none of the three factions cares at all.  No US action.  The fascists might privately enjoy it, they know how to speak with dictators and empathize with them.

- Israel invading Iran/Entire middle East going up in flames - Christian fascists will enjoy this, they're big fans of Israel and Israeli expansion.  Christian Zionism is a thing, and there's a relatively common evangelical belief that this will help usher in the end of times that they're salivating for.  Going up in flames is just signaling the beginning of the final holy war.  So I'd expect some US support for this.



I don't see any mentioned instance where the coalition breaks up in the next couple years.  Internal squabbling and occasional reshuffling, sure.  But they know they're stronger together.  Except the morons, but apart from a few wildcard moron ideas they've been pretty pliable so far.

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« Reply #1215 on: March 05, 2025, 09:39:33 AM »
We're such a diverse country, I'm sure they can find fault with any of us, and our former allies who we drove away - how dare they retaliate, or how dare they anything, make something up.

That's enough of a common bond to keep them together.

Many corporatists might be happy being plied with spoils. For the other two groups, the economy is no worry. There are massive quantities of resources and mineral wealth to steal, and hundreds of millions of people to extort for what's left of government services and food.

Really, it only consolidates their power to have a weak economy with the people dependent upon allegiance to them.

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« Reply #1216 on: March 05, 2025, 09:45:05 AM »
It turns out all it takes is Trump tanking the US economy for my international holdings to outperform domestic for the first time in a long time... thanks Trump? VEU is up over 7% YTD compared to -2.5% for VTI.

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« Reply #1217 on: March 05, 2025, 09:53:39 AM »
I think that Adam Sosomething had a nice analysis of the three factors that make Trump's team tick (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijtYJrVBG_M&ab_channel=AdamSomething).

It's an alliance of fascists (including neo-nazis, christian fascists, etc. and represented by JD Vance, Mike Johnson, Steve Bannon, Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, Ann Coulter - who want to remake the country like the 1950s - more religious, more white, less diverse, and less gay), corporatists (represented by Zuckerberg, Bezos, Altman, Pitchai, Huang, Cook, Thiel - they just want to suck as much money from the corpse of America and pick the bones clean and if they aren't already they're hoping to become oligarchs), and the incompetent (represented by Trump and the useless but loyal faithful who he constantly hires to positions of power when left to his own devices).

Musk is incredibly popular in MAGAland because he bridges the gap - he's got strong fascist tendencies, is a corporatist, and has the ability to regularly and easily wow the incompetent.  If another country wants to do business with the new America they have to find a way to be more like Musk - appeasing the fascists, oligarchs, and incompetent alike.  Putin is a natural fit/match for all three, which is why the US keeps seeming to be aligning with him and his wishes.  None of the US's traditional allies are able to bridge all three of these pillars of MAGA - hence the pushing away of former friends.

TBH I doubt this coalition can hold for very long, a crisis that goes badly and the whole thing collapses in infighting. You just can't have this many incompetent morons who all seem to hate each other fighting their own stupid turf wars and not have it spectacularly collapse. The tariffs may be the breaking point, who is Trump going to blame as the US economy collapses and there's no competency to successfully make the transition to an insular economy (if it can even be done "successfully". If it's not tariffs it'll be bird flu, or China invading Taiwan, or NK invading SK, or Israel invading Iran and the entire middle east going up in flames and the US has to support Israel, etc. etc. There's a lot of potential catastrophes that could very easily occur over the next couple of years that this administration just straight up does not have the competence to deal with. Many of them self-imposed.
I have been assuming that Trump is setting up Musk to be the fall guy when things go bad.

As a moron, I don't see Trump being able to outmaneuver Musk in that manner.  Maybe if some of the other corporatists tire of Musk and Trump follows their advice it could happen . . . but they would still have to deal with the unpopularity of this amoung the fascists (and many of the morons)....
I don't know whether Trump is indeed a moron or not, but one thing I do believe very sincerely is that one underestimates Trump at one's own risk.

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Re: Trump 2.0
« Reply #1218 on: March 05, 2025, 09:57:53 AM »
I don't know whether Trump is indeed a moron or not, but one thing I do believe very sincerely is that one underestimates Trump at one's own risk.

Trump's power is in being a populist moron, that's why most of the ideas that he has championed and seemed excited about have been stupid.  The "good" more actionable ideas he has had have come from the fascists and corporatists.  Don't get me wrong, he is an incredibly dangerous person due to the power that his control of millions of morons around him gives him - but he's not the strategic mastermind behind the careful dismantling the US government and future crippling.

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« Reply #1219 on: March 05, 2025, 09:58:17 AM »
I don’t think Israel has the resources or the desire to invade Iran. Assassinations and bombing raids are certainly possible, maybe even probable. But an invasion to hold territory like Russia in Ukraine or as expected by China into Taiwan? Not going to happen. But I digress.

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« Reply #1220 on: March 05, 2025, 10:00:51 AM »
I think that Adam Sosomething had a nice analysis of the three factors that make Trump's team tick (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijtYJrVBG_M&ab_channel=AdamSomething).

It's an alliance of fascists (including neo-nazis, christian fascists, etc. and represented by JD Vance, Mike Johnson, Steve Bannon, Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, Ann Coulter - who want to remake the country like the 1950s - more religious, more white, less diverse, and less gay), corporatists (represented by Zuckerberg, Bezos, Altman, Pitchai, Huang, Cook, Thiel - they just want to suck as much money from the corpse of America and pick the bones clean and if they aren't already they're hoping to become oligarchs), and the incompetent (represented by Trump and the useless but loyal faithful who he constantly hires to positions of power when left to his own devices).

Musk is incredibly popular in MAGAland because he bridges the gap - he's got strong fascist tendencies, is a corporatist, and has the ability to regularly and easily wow the incompetent.  If another country wants to do business with the new America they have to find a way to be more like Musk - appeasing the fascists, oligarchs, and incompetent alike.  Putin is a natural fit/match for all three, which is why the US keeps seeming to be aligning with him and his wishes.  None of the US's traditional allies are able to bridge all three of these pillars of MAGA - hence the pushing away of former friends.

This is along the lines of what my friends and I have been chatting about.  It's a good video to mail around!

The second half of the video talks about leftism, Bernie style.

I have been starting to think we missed out on Bernie.  In my experience, so many young people seem disaffected, and Trump gave them something to feel, an outlet for their emotions, that they'll be part of a winning game.  Is it all the wealth gap?  It seems like that's a big chunk of it.

I can only think of three notable leftish politicians in the US.  Bernie, Warren, and AOC.  Bernie is 83 now, he could probably only be an advisor.  Warren is 75, and while her slightly academic rhetoric resonates with me, it doesn't connect with many.  That leaves AOC.  But she's a woman, and as much as it pains me to write it, I'm concerned about the electability of a woman right now.

Something the video didn't address is that the disaffected people who swung to MAGA are going to need a reason to turn to something else, and an off ramp to get there.

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« Reply #1221 on: March 05, 2025, 10:12:10 AM »
I don't know whether Trump is indeed a moron or not, but one thing I do believe very sincerely is that one underestimates Trump at one's own risk.

Trump's power is in being a populist moron, that's why most of the ideas that he has championed and seemed excited about have been stupid.  The "good" more actionable ideas he has had have come from the fascists and corporatists.  Don't get me wrong, he is an incredibly dangerous person due to the power that his control of millions of morons around him gives him - but he's not the strategic mastermind behind the careful dismantling the US government and future crippling.
Trump's superpower, as it were, is self preservation.  Getting back to my original point, even if Musk is the genius that some claim he is, I think that Trump's power of self preservation will somehow prevail.  Musk is such a convenient fall guy for Trump.  He's working largely independently, the work of DOGE is well-known and very dramatic, and he's unelected so easy to dispose of.  I have no doubt that like anyone else, Musk is entirely disposable to Trump.  The biggest threat Musk has to Trump is X.  But in my estimation, people see Trump as the real deal, and Musk is just another hanger-on.

I'm not trying to argue that Trump is smart or doing anything good for the country.  Just that he himself never really has to take responsibility for his actions, and I don't see that changing any time soon.  That's why I see Musk as being groomed as the inevitable fall guy.

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« Reply #1222 on: March 05, 2025, 10:35:27 AM »
GSA deleted that list of 400 properties from their website. Whether the administration is backpedaling or GSA is fighting DOGE's hatchet-job on the government is not yet known.

https://bsky.app/profile/marisakabas.bsky.social/post/3ljnetyoz7k2t


SCOTUS determined that Trump couldn't unilaterally turn off $2 billion in USAID money by 5-4. Alito once again making Trump's arguments for him in dissent.

https://bsky.app/profile/annabower.bsky.social/post/3ljn5qwv7o227

Trump's call to change taxes on overtime and tips or making auto loan payments deductible (which only benefits itemizers) can't fit into the House's budget.

https://x.com/steverattner/status/1897119135496335590?s=46

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« Reply #1223 on: March 05, 2025, 10:59:01 AM »
GSA deleted that list of 400 properties from their website. Whether the administration is backpedaling or GSA is fighting DOGE's hatchet-job on the government is not yet known.

https://bsky.app/profile/marisakabas.bsky.social/post/3ljnetyoz7k2t


SCOTUS determined that Trump couldn't unilaterally turn off $2 billion in USAID money by 5-4. Alito once again making Trump's arguments for him in dissent.

https://bsky.app/profile/annabower.bsky.social/post/3ljn5qwv7o227

Trump's call to change taxes on overtime and tips or making auto loan payments deductible (which only benefits itemizers) can't fit into the House's budget.

https://x.com/steverattner/status/1897119135496335590?s=46

Hopefully we're starting to see the stall of all these various executive orders and chaos on the domestic issues. The trade and foreign affairs chaos is still going strong though.

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« Reply #1224 on: March 05, 2025, 11:00:49 AM »
I don't know whether Trump is indeed a moron or not, but one thing I do believe very sincerely is that one underestimates Trump at one's own risk.

Trump's power is in being a populist moron, that's why most of the ideas that he has championed and seemed excited about have been stupid.  The "good" more actionable ideas he has had have come from the fascists and corporatists.  Don't get me wrong, he is an incredibly dangerous person due to the power that his control of millions of morons around him gives him - but he's not the strategic mastermind behind the careful dismantling the US government and future crippling.
Trump's superpower, as it were, is self preservation.  Getting back to my original point, even if Musk is the genius that some claim he is, I think that Trump's power of self preservation will somehow prevail.  Musk is such a convenient fall guy for Trump.  He's working largely independently, the work of DOGE is well-known and very dramatic, and he's unelected so easy to dispose of.  I have no doubt that like anyone else, Musk is entirely disposable to Trump.  The biggest threat Musk has to Trump is X.  But in my estimation, people see Trump as the real deal, and Musk is just another hanger-on.

I'm not trying to argue that Trump is smart or doing anything good for the country.  Just that he himself never really has to take responsibility for his actions, and I don't see that changing any time soon.  That's why I see Musk as being groomed as the inevitable fall guy.

It's totally possible.

The problem for Trump with using Musk as a fall guy though, is that (at the moment at least) this action wouldn't be in the best interests of the fascists or corporatists.  It's entirely possible that one or both group could turn on Musk at an undisclosed point in the future, but at the moment Musk is popular among both (and reasonably popular with the gen pop morons).

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« Reply #1225 on: March 05, 2025, 02:05:38 PM »
Charlie is just an MP, and this is YouTube and I know few Americans will watch it, but it is us.

Elbows up.

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« Reply #1226 on: March 05, 2025, 02:18:49 PM »
I think that Adam Sosomething had a nice analysis of the three factors that make Trump's team tick (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijtYJrVBG_M&ab_channel=AdamSomething).

It's an alliance of fascists (including neo-nazis, christian fascists, etc. and represented by JD Vance, Mike Johnson, Steve Bannon, Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, Ann Coulter - who want to remake the country like the 1950s - more religious, more white, less diverse, and less gay), corporatists (represented by Zuckerberg, Bezos, Altman, Pitchai, Huang, Cook, Thiel - they just want to suck as much money from the corpse of America and pick the bones clean and if they aren't already they're hoping to become oligarchs), and the incompetent (represented by Trump and the useless but loyal faithful who he constantly hires to positions of power when left to his own devices).

Musk is incredibly popular in MAGAland because he bridges the gap - he's got strong fascist tendencies, is a corporatist, and has the ability to regularly and easily wow the incompetent.  If another country wants to do business with the new America they have to find a way to be more like Musk - appeasing the fascists, oligarchs, and incompetent alike.  Putin is a natural fit/match for all three, which is why the US keeps seeming to be aligning with him and his wishes.  None of the US's traditional allies are able to bridge all three of these pillars of MAGA - hence the pushing away of former friends.

TBH I doubt this coalition can hold for very long, a crisis that goes badly and the whole thing collapses in infighting. You just can't have this many incompetent morons who all seem to hate each other fighting their own stupid turf wars and not have it spectacularly collapse. The tariffs may be the breaking point, who is Trump going to blame as the US economy collapses and there's no competency to successfully make the transition to an insular economy (if it can even be done "successfully". If it's not tariffs it'll be bird flu, or China invading Taiwan, or NK invading SK, or Israel invading Iran and the entire middle east going up in flames and the US has to support Israel, etc. etc. There's a lot of potential catastrophes that could very easily occur over the next couple of years that this administration just straight up does not have the competence to deal with. Many of them self-imposed.
Canada.  And its retaliatory tariffs.  And that’s why we have to launch this “special military operation” to rightfully protect American interests.

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« Reply #1227 on: March 05, 2025, 02:46:18 PM »




And we also need a separate scorecard on which agencies have been cut, and what the outcomes were/will be.
I'm most interested to see how the parents of special needs kids react when federal Dept of Education monies go away - all the culture wars hysteria is going to be pushed aside when they realize what the DOE actually does.

Special need parent here. I believe I got called "chicken little " on another thread for being worried about it. We are coast fire and can afford to move plus I have UK citizenship that I can claim for my kids (they dont do automatic spouse visas though) so I have options but I really feel for all the families who don't have such privilege.  I had an IEP meeting last week and asked what the plan is if they lose federal funding and they said they are still mandated under IDEA so the state and district would have to find money somewhere.

The weird thing is that of the people in my neighborhood, the ones who are most accepting of my child and go out of their way to include him are either Republicans or give off a vibe that they probably are and I can't really reconcile it except by thinking they aren't aware of what's going on because their news doesn't show it.  (I don't dare ask).
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« Reply #1228 on: March 07, 2025, 10:12:43 AM »
Trump talked to Trudeau the other day and demanded that they renegotiate every border-related treaty we've ever signed with them, to include the border itself. He really is cosplaying Mckinley.

[ur]https://archive.li/NV3Ci[/url]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/07/world/canada/trump-trudeau-canada-51st-state.html

Hispanic naturalized citizen pulled over by ICE agents at gunpoint and cuffed because they're looking for someone else. Article implies they're racial profiling and just grabbing anybody.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/just-following-hispanic-people-citizen-detained-by-ice-questions-vote-for-trump/3861172/

Republican town hall gets heated, and allegedly the Congressman is blaming the rep from the next district over.

https://www.kmbc.com/article/belton-missouri-town-hall-frustration-federal-layoffs/63904118

https://x.com/joshtpm/status/1897867810165936484

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« Reply #1230 on: March 07, 2025, 12:48:03 PM »
DHS cancelled their collective bargaining agreement with the TSA.

https://apnews.com/article/collective-bargaining-agreement-tsa-homeland-security-e3eb1d5e0ae8e1b4a6fdb87cd7f6bd39?taid=67cb19129e013c00017a55f9&utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

You mean it's not just international legal agreements they are tearing up?!?  I'm shocked, I tell you!  /s

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« Reply #1231 on: March 07, 2025, 07:40:04 PM »
Trump talked to Trudeau the other day and demanded that they renegotiate every border-related treaty we've ever signed with them, to include the border itself. He really is cosplaying Mckinley.

[ur]https://archive.li/NV3Ci[/url]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/07/world/canada/trump-trudeau-canada-51st-state.html

It's all bad (the citizen almost seized by ice was something I expect sadly), but the intimidation of Canada is actually beyond my imagination, and I think this crew is capable of essentially limitless abuse of power and evil. Good reporting. Thank you for sharing this.

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« Reply #1232 on: March 07, 2025, 08:34:20 PM »
Trump talked to Trudeau the other day and demanded that they renegotiate every border-related treaty we've ever signed with them, to include the border itself. He really is cosplaying Mckinley.

[ur]https://archive.li/NV3Ci[/url]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/07/world/canada/trump-trudeau-canada-51st-state.html

It's all bad (the citizen almost seized by ice was something I expect sadly), but the intimidation of Canada is actually beyond my imagination, and I think this crew is capable of essentially limitless abuse of power and evil. Good reporting. Thank you for sharing this.

What I really would like to know is how the conservative voters of this very forum can blithely accept this. Threatening Canada was not “trial ballooned” during the campaign — it was a complete surprise. Suddenly Trump supporters are parroting his language as if they’d thought of this all along. Is this just more “locker room talk” to conservatives? Do you not see the hurt and anger this causes, not to mention the diplomatic insecurity?

Romney or McCain or Rubio, even the Bushes and Reagan seem far more palatable (not meaning to debate their doings, just comparing) than Trump. I am having trouble believing that the sentiment I see in conservative circles is real and not bot- or influencer-generated (paid propaganda).

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« Reply #1233 on: March 07, 2025, 08:58:18 PM »
Trump talked to Trudeau the other day and demanded that they renegotiate every border-related treaty we've ever signed with them, to include the border itself. He really is cosplaying Mckinley.

[ur]https://archive.li/NV3Ci[/url]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/07/world/canada/trump-trudeau-canada-51st-state.html

It's all bad (the citizen almost seized by ice was something I expect sadly), but the intimidation of Canada is actually beyond my imagination, and I think this crew is capable of essentially limitless abuse of power and evil. Good reporting. Thank you for sharing this.

What I really would like to know is how the conservative voters of this very forum can blithely accept this. Threatening Canada was not “trial ballooned” during the campaign — it was a complete surprise. Suddenly Trump supporters are parroting his language as if they’d thought of this all along. Is this just more “locker room talk” to conservatives? Do you not see the hurt and anger this causes, not to mention the diplomatic insecurity?

Romney or McCain or Rubio, even the Bushes and Reagan seem far more palatable (not meaning to debate their doings, just comparing) than Trump. I am having trouble believing that the sentiment I see in conservative circles is real and not bot- or influencer-generated (paid propaganda).

What's new in media is bot-generated content is now powerful enough that it creates beliefs in people.  Most real people you see posting about Canada probably never had US Canada relations cross their mind over their entire lives until the last few months.

The left is successfully targeted by these rage-bait campaigns as well. 

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« Reply #1234 on: March 07, 2025, 09:01:16 PM »
What I really would like to know is how the conservative voters of this very forum can blithely accept this.

I don't know about forum members but anyone that "supports Trump" at this point is clearly falling for the propaganda.

a) their peers probably support Trump, so they generally only hear the positive spin
b) their source of news (whether it be Fox, alternative news, or social media) is only providing them the positive spin
c) their cognitive biases make it very hard to really hear anything negative about Trump, regardless of source

If anyone on this forum is still "pro-Trump" the above is true. Even if they are intelligent, and read things that claim to be against Trump, their brain will find a way to rationalize that what they are reading is wrong, and what they already believe is correct.

May be worth reading up on the backfire effect.

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The backfire effect is a cognitive bias where people strengthen their original beliefs when presented with evidence that contradicts them, rather than reconsidering their stance. This phenomenon often leads individuals to reject new information and become more convinced of their initial views.

The combination of echo chambers of cognitive biases, combined with a seemingly increasingly lopsided internet worries me, because it's hard to see momentum swinging the other way. Even ABC no longer seems to support the 538 approval polls which were increasingly showing 47 in a negative light. Everything just redirects to ABC News > Politics now. If this approval rating tracker is to believed, his net approval made it above 0 for the first time. It's hard to find polls any more where he's any worse than 50/50.

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« Reply #1235 on: March 07, 2025, 09:09:01 PM »
Trump talked to Trudeau the other day and demanded that they renegotiate every border-related treaty we've ever signed with them, to include the border itself. He really is cosplaying Mckinley.

[ur]https://archive.li/NV3Ci[/url]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/07/world/canada/trump-trudeau-canada-51st-state.html

It's all bad (the citizen almost seized by ice was something I expect sadly), but the intimidation of Canada is actually beyond my imagination, and I think this crew is capable of essentially limitless abuse of power and evil. Good reporting. Thank you for sharing this.

What I really would like to know is how the conservative voters of this very forum can blithely accept this. Threatening Canada was not “trial ballooned” during the campaign — it was a complete surprise. Suddenly Trump supporters are parroting his language as if they’d thought of this all along. Is this just more “locker room talk” to conservatives? Do you not see the hurt and anger this causes, not to mention the diplomatic insecurity?

Romney or McCain or Rubio, even the Bushes and Reagan seem far more palatable (not meaning to debate their doings, just comparing) than Trump. I am having trouble believing that the sentiment I see in conservative circles is real and not bot- or influencer-generated (paid propaganda).

Maybe I've missed it, but has anyone on this site stated they accepted Trump's outrageous attacks on our allies?  People may have tried to understand his "strategies" but I don't recall any comments where posters openly stated they accept his attack on Canada.  Of course, I don't read every posting, so I may have missed them. 

As for the general internet, there probably is a lot of Bots and automated propaganda (on both sides of the political spectrum). I will say that I know a few people who live and breathe the MAGA nonsense, my mother being one of them. Trump is such a strange cult leader.  He seems so transparent and easily unlikeable, yet many blindly follow him and even accept his blatant disregard for truth or integrity.  I believe I stated this in another posting, but Trump won both the electoral and popular votes.  Take what you will from that reality.

I understand it's trying times and emotions are running high, but I firmly believe the "us vs. them" politics is part of what got us here. 

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« Reply #1236 on: March 07, 2025, 09:22:48 PM »
OK so just ~2 days ago, Disney fired the 538 staff and closed the site down.

The original IP / model was maintained by Nate Silver, and in a twist of fate, they were destined to launch their own version of the Trump Approval Tracker yesterday. Still net positive, though on a downward trajectory since his inauguration.

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« Reply #1237 on: March 07, 2025, 10:25:29 PM »
OK so just ~2 days ago, Disney fired the 538 staff and closed the site down.

The original IP / model was maintained by Nate Silver, and in a twist of fate, they were destined to launch their own version of the Trump Approval Tracker yesterday. Still net positive, though on a downward trajectory since his inauguration.

This has been the plan for 538 for a while, it’s not Trump related. It’s been on life support for a while and their articles became pretty poor. Just wasn’t making money.

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« Reply #1238 on: March 07, 2025, 10:29:37 PM »
A common theme among Trump supporters I see is lack of empathy for anyone not like them. I cannot count the number of times I've heard some version of, "I'm fine with it because it doesn't affect me." For example, the Washington Post had a lengthy story about Venezuelan Trump supporters who are surprised and upset because they were being caught up in ICE raids and being deported. They felt they would be protected because they had been granted temporary asylum under Biden, and thought Trump liked them and would not deport them. So, it was okay when Hondurans, Guatemalans, Haitians, Mexicans, etc. were being rounded up. But Venezuelans!?! (clutch pearls).

Associates of mine are fine with "lazy government workers" being laid off. Then they lose some service that affects them and only now they are upset.

Or all the Trumpublicans that are against abortion, gay marriage, etc., until they personally have a family member in such a situation. Then they are okay with special "carve-outs" for their specific situation.

Or Trumpublican members of Congress getting Musk's personal phone number to complain about cuts that affect their constituents, and their constituents only. Blue districts and their concerns can go to hell.

And so on.

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« Reply #1239 on: March 07, 2025, 10:32:07 PM »
DHS cancelled their collective bargaining agreement with the TSA.

https://apnews.com/article/collective-bargaining-agreement-tsa-homeland-security-e3eb1d5e0ae8e1b4a6fdb87cd7f6bd39?taid=67cb19129e013c00017a55f9&utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

@Travis, just want to thank you for your continuing updates. They are greatly appreciated, I hope you will keep them coming.

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« Reply #1240 on: March 08, 2025, 04:54:25 AM »
A common theme among Trump supporters I see is lack of empathy for anyone not like them. I cannot count the number of times I've heard some version of, "I'm fine with it because it doesn't affect me." For example, the Washington Post had a lengthy story about Venezuelan Trump supporters who are surprised and upset because they were being caught up in ICE raids and being deported. They felt they would be protected because they had been granted temporary asylum under Biden, and thought Trump liked them and would not deport them. So, it was okay when Hondurans, Guatemalans, Haitians, Mexicans, etc. were being rounded up. But Venezuelans!?! (clutch pearls).

Associates of mine are fine with "lazy government workers" being laid off. Then they lose some service that affects them and only now they are upset.

Or all the Trumpublicans that are against abortion, gay marriage, etc., until they personally have a family member in such a situation. Then they are okay with special "carve-outs" for their specific situation.

Or Trumpublican members of Congress getting Musk's personal phone number to complain about cuts that affect their constituents, and their constituents only. Blue districts and their concerns can go to hell.

And so on.

Yes, I have a Facebook friend who is very pro-Trump, and constantly rails against the "illegals."  She and her two adult daughters and her grandchildren are all living in government paid shelters, receiving Medicaid, food stamps and welfare payments.  Now she is being told that their time in the shelter is coming to an end and they are surprised and OUTRAGED!  How dare they do this to us?  They are just supposed to take away from the "illegals," not us good god-fearing americans!

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« Reply #1242 on: March 08, 2025, 08:37:36 AM »

Straight from the poster child of the most loved Republican leader in my lifetime.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Juzn2lHm4g

I wonder what the response would be if one of our elected officials used their brief time to present this past video to Congress?

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« Reply #1243 on: March 08, 2025, 08:46:31 AM »

Straight from the poster child of the most loved Republican leader in my lifetime.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Juzn2lHm4g

I wonder what the response would be if one of our elected officials used their brief time to present this past video to Congress?

Reagan is a RINO now in MAGA/republican land. Maybe actually a democrat. 

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« Reply #1244 on: March 08, 2025, 08:59:25 AM »
A common theme among Trump supporters I see is lack of empathy for anyone not like them. I cannot count the number of times I've heard some version of, "I'm fine with it because it doesn't affect me." For example, the Washington Post had a lengthy story about Venezuelan Trump supporters who are surprised and upset because they were being caught up in ICE raids and being deported. They felt they would be protected because they had been granted temporary asylum under Biden, and thought Trump liked them and would not deport them. So, it was okay when Hondurans, Guatemalans, Haitians, Mexicans, etc. were being rounded up. But Venezuelans!?! (clutch pearls).

Associates of mine are fine with "lazy government workers" being laid off. Then they lose some service that affects them and only now they are upset.

Or all the Trumpublicans that are against abortion, gay marriage, etc., until they personally have a family member in such a situation. Then they are okay with special "carve-outs" for their specific situation.

Or Trumpublican members of Congress getting Musk's personal phone number to complain about cuts that affect their constituents, and their constituents only. Blue districts and their concerns can go to hell.

And so on.

Yes, I have a Facebook friend who is very pro-Trump, and constantly rails against the "illegals."  She and her two adult daughters and her grandchildren are all living in government paid shelters, receiving Medicaid, food stamps and welfare payments.  Now she is being told that their time in the shelter is coming to an end and they are surprised and OUTRAGED!  How dare they do this to us?  They are just supposed to take away from the "illegals," not us good god-fearing americans!

The schadenfreude is real for me when I read stories like this. Like the small bourbon maker crying on TV that his business is going to go bust with no Canadian buyers and he voted for Trump. Whoopsies!

Unfortunately the impacts are going far beyond Trump supporters... but I do believe, in the end, they will be impacted the most.

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« Reply #1245 on: March 08, 2025, 09:02:18 AM »
$5.3M Canadian Blackhawks stop one illegal border crossing so far.  Trying to escape the US, not enter.  No mention of drugs found.  What a waste of hot air.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/blackhawk-border-flights-1.7476242
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« Reply #1246 on: March 08, 2025, 09:07:59 AM »
Trump talked to Trudeau the other day and demanded that they renegotiate every border-related treaty we've ever signed with them, to include the border itself. He really is cosplaying Mckinley.

[ur]https://archive.li/NV3Ci[/url]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/07/world/canada/trump-trudeau-canada-51st-state.html

It's all bad (the citizen almost seized by ice was something I expect sadly), but the intimidation of Canada is actually beyond my imagination, and I think this crew is capable of essentially limitless abuse of power and evil. Good reporting. Thank you for sharing this.

What I really would like to know is how the conservative voters of this very forum can blithely accept this. Threatening Canada was not “trial ballooned” during the campaign — it was a complete surprise. Suddenly Trump supporters are parroting his language as if they’d thought of this all along. Is this just more “locker room talk” to conservatives? Do you not see the hurt and anger this causes, not to mention the diplomatic insecurity?

Romney or McCain or Rubio, even the Bushes and Reagan seem far more palatable (not meaning to debate their doings, just comparing) than Trump. I am having trouble believing that the sentiment I see in conservative circles is real and not bot- or influencer-generated (paid propaganda).

Maybe I've missed it, but has anyone on this site stated they accepted Trump's outrageous attacks on our allies?  People may have tried to understand his "strategies" but I don't recall any comments where posters openly stated they accept his attack on Canada.  Of course, I don't read every posting, so I may have missed them. 

As for the general internet, there probably is a lot of Bots and automated propaganda (on both sides of the political spectrum). I will say that I know a few people who live and breathe the MAGA nonsense, my mother being one of them. Trump is such a strange cult leader.  He seems so transparent and easily unlikeable, yet many blindly follow him and even accept his blatant disregard for truth or integrity.  I believe I stated this in another posting, but Trump won both the electoral and popular votes.  Take what you will from that reality.

I understand it's trying times and emotions are running high, but I firmly believe the "us vs. them" politics is part of what got us here.

Yes, as far as I know, no one has posted support for Trump’s sovereignty threats against Canada. But that is my very specific question — not all the other policies/threats, which had been spoken about prior to the election. But very specifically the threatening terms around Canada.

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« Reply #1247 on: March 08, 2025, 09:55:37 AM »

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And we also need a separate scorecard on which agencies have been cut, and what the outcomes were/will be.
I'm most interested to see how the parents of special needs kids react when federal Dept of Education monies go away - all the culture wars hysteria is going to be pushed aside when they realize what the DOE actually does.

Special need parent here. I believe I got called "chicken little " on another thread for being worried about it. We are coast fire and can afford to move plus I have UK citizenship that I can claim for my kids (they dont do automatic spouse visas though) so I have options but I really feel for all the families who don't have such privilege.  I had an IEP meeting last week and asked what the plan is if they lose federal funding and they said they are still mandated under IDEA so the state and district would have to find money somewhere.

The weird thing is that of the people in my neighborhood, the ones who are most accepting of my child and go out of their way to include him are either Republicans or give off a vibe that they probably are and I can't really reconcile it except by thinking they aren't aware of what's going on because their news doesn't show it.  (I don't dare ask).

17 states are suing the federal government to get rid of the 504 act of the 1973 rehabilitation law. If successful this will eliminate IEPs under this law. This law is much stronger than IDEA and I read that it would be easier for states to do nothing in effect return to how it was in the 1950’s where everyone was in a regular classroom except for people with intellectual disabilities. That will also probably be the end of the department of vocational rehabilitation where I spent my career helping people with disabilities obtain employment. I’m glad going to England is an option for your family. I’m beyond sickened by what is happening. I’m glad I don’t have grandchildren to suffer from this.

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« Reply #1249 on: March 08, 2025, 11:21:35 AM »
Back in last April, he promised 10% tariffs.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-05/canada-warns-trump-10-tariff-risks-sparking-global-retaliation

Yes, he's been talking about tariffs for a long time. Prior to inauguration, he had NOT threatened to redraw the Canadian border, annex Canada economically or otherwise, "make Canada the 51st state", etc. Given the presence in the last few years of the "Freedom Caravan" or whatever it was called and other Trump support in Canada, perhaps there was a longer term play that anti-Nato, pro-Putin candidates on both sides of the border kept under wraps until January 20 2025. Anyway.

I'm still seeking an explicit statement by a conservative US voter that menacing Canadian sovereignty was a surprise action that is unacceptable.

Earlier on in his brief new term, I did see legit concerns on r/conservative that his actions toward Ukraine were not what they voted for. Not sure I ever really saw the same WRT Canada.

Now it appears the real or bot voters there are all back to toeing the party line.