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Big Doug Ford is in the room.
« on: June 18, 2018, 03:49:52 PM »
In the news today:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-doug-ford-orders-public-sector-hiring-freeze-in-ontario-excludes/

Public sector hiring freeze while the new government tries to understand the poor state of our provincial finances.   A promising first step.

This one is paywalled, but much less promising:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-harper-era-mps-staffers-pop-up-in-doug-fords-pc-government/

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Mr. Calandra is one of four former MPs from Mr. Harper’s government, along with six former federal Tory staffers, who won seats in this month’s Ontario election. He said he decided to run again because, after losing in the 2015 federal election, he wanted to replicate the work Mr. Harper’s government did on the provincial scene.

I hope we don't go back to Stephen Harper's policies in Ontario.

And finally, Doug just says no to climate change.   Not 'no' as in we won't let it happen, but 'no' as in "No, I don't care."

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-pcs-will-end-ontario-cap-and-trade-program-fight-ottawa-on-carbon-tax/

One thing for  the carbon reduction strategies - they aren't trying to pick technology winners.   





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Re: Big Doug Ford is in the room.
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2018, 10:47:10 AM »
You almost have to feel sorry for him - the US actions could hit Ontario hard, and he will be premier for all the shit show.

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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2018, 12:19:01 PM »
You elect a climate change denier, you get short term benefit-long term negative policy that reflects this view.

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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2018, 03:19:40 PM »
Hah, I don't feel sorry for him.    He wanted the job, he got it.

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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2018, 04:18:00 PM »
Hah, I don't feel sorry for him.    He wanted the job, he got it.

Exactly.  That  is why I said I could almost feel sorry for him.  He wanted it, now he gets the problems that go with it.

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Re: Big Doug Ford is in the room.
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2018, 07:55:02 PM »
Ontario's got a new skipper, baby!!

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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2018, 09:53:51 AM »
Ford hasn't even officially taken office yet, and he's already costing me money:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/greenon-program-ends-1.4713161

We were planning to have our basement insulated this summer, but hadn't contracted the work yet.

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Re: Big Doug Ford is in the room.
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2018, 10:28:33 AM »
Ontario's got a new skipper, baby!!

Who is the skipper on the left?

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Re: Big Doug Ford is in the room.
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2018, 11:59:33 AM »
Ford hasn't even officially taken office yet, and he's already costing me money:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/greenon-program-ends-1.4713161

We were planning to have our basement insulated this summer, but hadn't contracted the work yet.

That's why we replaced our furnace and a/c last year.  We didn't know who would be in power this year, but afraid these kind of programs would be cancelled.   We got an energy audit for free, plus the rebates added up to enough to give us our new a/c for free too.

Our audit showed our house's energy consumption to be almost on par with new builds, even though it is 25 years old.  We will be using that as a selling feature when we sell in the next year or so.

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Re: Big Doug Ford is in the room.
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2018, 12:01:01 PM »
Ontario's got a new skipper, baby!!

Who is the skipper on the left?

Gilligan's Island "Skipper".  Let's hope Doug Ford is a little less inept than this character.

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Re: Big Doug Ford is in the room.
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2018, 12:20:34 PM »
Ontario's got a new skipper, baby!!

Who is the skipper on the left?

Gilligan's Island "Skipper".  Let's hope Doug Ford is a little less inept than this character.

Thank you.  Isn't "a little less inept" setting a rather low bar?

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Re: Big Doug Ford is in the room.
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2018, 01:01:06 PM »
Ontario's got a new skipper, baby!!

Who is the skipper on the left?

Gilligan's Island "Skipper".  Let's hope Doug Ford is a little less inept than this character.

Thank you.  Isn't "a little less inept" setting a rather low bar?

Setting a low bar is about all I can manage right now.  Anything else just leads to disappointment and/or rage.

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Re: Big Doug Ford is in the room.
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2018, 01:17:31 PM »
Ontario's got a new skipper, baby!!

Who is the skipper on the left?

Gilligan's Island "Skipper".  Let's hope Doug Ford is a little less inept than this character.

Thank you.  Isn't "a little less inept" setting a rather low bar?

Some of us lived through his crack addicted brother's reign of incompetence.  Given that Doug himself dealt hash for several years (https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/globe-investigation-the-ford-familys-history-with-drug-dealing/article12153014/), and was very close with his brother during the entire Toronto mayor period it's probably best to keep expectations low.

Doug has already told the mayor of Hamilton that his government will allow them to cancel the 1.3 billion dollar transit plan currently underway and use the funds for building roads, or anything else they want.https://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/8371595-city-can-spend-lrt-money-on-other-projects-ford-says/


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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2018, 02:45:52 PM »
Ontario's got a new skipper, baby!!

Who is the skipper on the left?

Gilligan's Island "Skipper".  Let's hope Doug Ford is a little less inept than this character.

Thank you.  Isn't "a little less inept" setting a rather low bar?

Some of us lived through his crack addicted brother's reign of incompetence.  Given that Doug himself dealt hash for several years (https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/globe-investigation-the-ford-familys-history-with-drug-dealing/article12153014/), and was very close with his brother during the entire Toronto mayor period it's probably best to keep expectations low.

Doug has already told the mayor of Hamilton that his government will allow them to cancel the 1.3 billion dollar transit plan currently underway and use the funds for building roads, or anything else they want.https://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/8371595-city-can-spend-lrt-money-on-other-projects-ford-says/

Hmm, Ottawa is in the middle of implementing more rapid transit.  Wonder what Dougie has in store for us?   Or for him is Ontario = GTA?   If so he won't be the first, from what I can see see out here in the boonies.
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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2018, 03:26:21 PM »
Ford hasn't even officially taken office yet, and he's already costing me money:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/greenon-program-ends-1.4713161

We were planning to have our basement insulated this summer, but hadn't contracted the work yet.

That's why we replaced our furnace and a/c last year.  We didn't know who would be in power this year, but afraid these kind of programs would be cancelled.   We got an energy audit for free, plus the rebates added up to enough to give us our new a/c for free too.

Our audit showed our house's energy consumption to be almost on par with new builds, even though it is 25 years old.  We will be using that as a selling feature when we sell in the next year or so.

Without having any hard data at all, I have to wonder if ending these programs might be a good thing.     Probably not a good way to start a discussion here!    Forging ahead regardless, is there much sense in replacing a furnace and a/c before it's worn out because of a government funded rebate?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying HE units are bad.   When our old furnace and a/c units wore out, I replaced them with modern high efficiency units.   I was reluctant at first, but the furnace in particular is a nicely engineered, self contained unit.   I like it much better than the old furnace.

I'd rather the government funds were used to get the province's finances under control. 

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« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2018, 03:50:40 PM »

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying HE units are bad.   When our old furnace and a/c units wore out, I replaced them with modern high efficiency units.   I was reluctant at first, but the furnace in particular is a nicely engineered, self contained unit.   I like it much better than the old furnace.

I'd rather the government funds were used to get the province's finances under control.

I imagine what is worth spending money on is really a case by case basis.  How inefficient is the old whatever versus the new whatever.   And of course there will be various levels of efficiency in the new whatever to choose from.   And with appliances (furnaces, etc.) will the rebate encourage bigger and "better", just like ABS brakes meant people left shorter stopping distances, and AWD makes people think they can drive fast in bad weather conditions?

In a similar vein, sometimes I think having Hydro separate out use and delivery encourages consumption.  If the delivery component is high and relatively consistent even when consumption is low, why bother trying to cut back? Of course most delivery costs for a system will be consistent irregardless of use (lines need to be replaced, storm damage needs to be fixed, etc.) but from the consumer's viewpoint conservation is not rewarded.  I still keep use low and in the low-demand period, because that cuts down on demand when we are using our least efficient means of production, but I have heard so many people complain about this that I do wonder about its effect on use.

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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2018, 04:06:32 PM »
Ford hasn't even officially taken office yet, and he's already costing me money:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/greenon-program-ends-1.4713161

We were planning to have our basement insulated this summer, but hadn't contracted the work yet.

That's why we replaced our furnace and a/c last year.  We didn't know who would be in power this year, but afraid these kind of programs would be cancelled.   We got an energy audit for free, plus the rebates added up to enough to give us our new a/c for free too.

Our audit showed our house's energy consumption to be almost on par with new builds, even though it is 25 years old.  We will be using that as a selling feature when we sell in the next year or so.

Without having any hard data at all, I have to wonder if ending these programs might be a good thing.     Probably not a good way to start a discussion here!    Forging ahead regardless, is there much sense in replacing a furnace and a/c before it's worn out because of a government funded rebate?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying HE units are bad.   When our old furnace and a/c units wore out, I replaced them with modern high efficiency units.   I was reluctant at first, but the furnace in particular is a nicely engineered, self contained unit.   I like it much better than the old furnace.

I'd rather the government funds were used to get the province's finances under control.

We didn't replace our units only because of the rebates - that just moved it up a year.  Our house is 25 years old, and we'd already had some issues.  We would have had to do it anyway, so the rebates were merely a bonus.  As mustachians, of course we took advantage of them.   We have already noticed lower costs for the a/c, and although our bills did not decrease for heating (we already had a HE unit that was 92% efficient), the new furnace is much quieter and results in fewer swings in temperature.  Plus it didn't break down when it was -30C. 

I don't know if these programs are "worth it" in the larger sense either.  But if the goal is to have us consume less electricity and gas, then they do accomplish that.  I have no confidence that cutting these programs will mean money will be spent wisely or to cut the deficit.   Doug Ford thought it would be a great idea to use tax dollars to put a ferris wheel on the shores of Lake Ontario a few years ago, so I'll wait and see what his plans are when/if he finally decides to share them with the people of Ontario.

I am wondering what will happen to the high speed train line that was supposed to run between London, Kitchener and Toronto by 2025. (and eventually Windsor too).  Housing prices here shot up last year when that went into initial planning stages.  Since construction on the line itself has not actually started yet (I think?), I can see him yanking that too.  I hope he doesn't - it's about time Ontario came into the 21st century.   A lot of our local tax dollars have already been spent on infrastructure for the high speed rail station and city transit to connect to it.
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« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2018, 04:17:51 PM »

In a similar vein, sometimes I think having Hydro separate out use and delivery encourages consumption.  If the delivery component is high and relatively consistent even when consumption is low, why bother trying to cut back? Of course most delivery costs for a system will be consistent irregardless of use (lines need to be replaced, storm damage needs to be fixed, etc.) but from the consumer's viewpoint conservation is not rewarded.  I still keep use low and in the low-demand period, because that cuts down on demand when we are using our least efficient means of production, but I have heard so many people complain about this that I do wonder about its effect on use.

Yes, it's disheartening when you see the water portion of the bill is $58, and your actual usage is $6.56 (our actual bill this month).  Our electrical portion is about half and half, but still pretty low compared to neighbours and friends.  I know friends that don't cut back because of the delivery charges, but we do anyway because we don't like wasting resources or putting a load on the system unnecessarily.  So Sunday is always laundry day in this house.  : ) 

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« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2018, 04:31:25 PM »

In a similar vein, sometimes I think having Hydro separate out use and delivery encourages consumption.  If the delivery component is high and relatively consistent even when consumption is low, why bother trying to cut back? Of course most delivery costs for a system will be consistent irregardless of use (lines need to be replaced, storm damage needs to be fixed, etc.) but from the consumer's viewpoint conservation is not rewarded.  I still keep use low and in the low-demand period, because that cuts down on demand when we are using our least efficient means of production, but I have heard so many people complain about this that I do wonder about its effect on use.

Yes, it's disheartening when you see the water portion of the bill is $58, and your actual usage is $6.56 (our actual bill this month).  Our electrical portion is about half and half, but still pretty low compared to neighbours and friends.  I know friends that don't cut back because of the delivery charges, but we do anyway because we don't like wasting resources or putting a load on the system unnecessarily.  So Sunday is always laundry day in this house.  : )

I do cut back and watch my time of use, because the on call electricity generation tends to be more polluting.  I am on a well, so that means electricity for any kind of water use.  And of course hot water is more expensive.  The things I do between 7 PM and 7 AM!