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Toxic ex-spouse?
« on: January 30, 2016, 12:26:16 PM »
Anyone else here dealing with a toxic ex-spouse?

I have had a barrage of abusive emails this morning over a $15 pharmacy bill - as in I think 12 emails so far. If someone is going to assume that no matter what I say, receipts submitted, doctors bills, etc. that I am lying.... Then just stop sending me repeated emails, keep your $15 and leave me alone. I finally said all future communication needs to come via your lawyer. It may shut him down as he is very cheap, or it may cost me a few hundred a month in my lawyers bills - over a $15 pharmacy bill. I honestly don't care about the pharmacy bill (and various other completely trivial insane issues), I just don't want to be abused. This has been going on for 5 1/2 years - yes, years - since separation.

Feeling very frazzled, alone, and stressed out.

Remembering every second of why it is a very good thing I no longer have to live with this insane awful person.

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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2016, 12:28:32 PM »
We used to. My husband's ex-wife was a total nightmare. Luckily the kids are grown now, so she no longer receives child support from us. There is nothing else she can do to try to get money from us now, so she has gone away.

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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2016, 12:47:55 PM »
Well, in 10 years child support will stop. He makes a lot more money than me and the court ordered child support is just the state guidelines. I never have asked for more - in fact my original settlement proposal was for LESS. He refused to sign, took me to court, and the court assigned the amount. I desperately wish that I did not need child support - at this point I am trying to find a higher paying job and get a tenant so that I won't *need* it.

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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2016, 12:51:01 PM »
Yeah, it can bbe really tough when one of the exes is bitter and vindictive. We have a friend who just got divorced. She initiated it because she couldn't take being married to him anymore. In return, he alienated their three daughters from her, and poisoned the environment at their church (where she had been an extremely active member and the head of their feed the homeless ministry for over fifteen years) to the point that she stepped down from the leadership of the program and decided she had to leave the church community completely. 

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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2016, 01:20:59 PM »
It is very sad when a parent damages the children's relationship w/ their other parent because they can't get their own emotions in check. I am dealing with that myself and it is so incredibly sad for the kids.

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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2016, 01:37:09 PM »
My husband's ex tried that with my two stepdaughters. Thankfully, the effects were not permanent.

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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2016, 02:02:39 PM »
I am divorced from someone my shrink hasn't had to meet to diagnose him as a sociopath and the more I read about them, the more convinced he is one.  He is violent, he is scary and he is going to get his way.  He hired a well-known pit bull lawyer that costs 3xs what mine does.  He sues me for something trivial almost every year since separating in '02.  Usually we win, but it's the stress and the cost that are so awful.  When he ratchets up the emails, calls and threats, I get an Order of Non-Harassment, or a restraining order if need be (been a while since I've needed this).

My kids have no idea the things he has done, I refused to say a bad word about him unless they ask me something specific.  So he went for alienation of affection big time (it's very hard to prove and not often won in court so my lawyer recommended not going after him), the kids were good for a while, then my son started believing the things his dad said and he moved in with him at 16.  Our relationship is so strained because of his dad. 

Ugh, I cannot even talk about this anymore. Except if he is harassing you with phone calls and emails, you can get an order of non-harassment for free. 


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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2016, 07:33:30 PM »
Thank you everyone. I've been feeling really down today about the whole situation. I had hoped that he would settle down once the divorce was finalized and he married his mistress, but instead he has repeatedly taken me to court, argues about stuff that he imagines happened (like accusing me of not going to work but somehow paying the nanny and claiming I am lying - just ridiculous endless nonsense), making nasty statements about me to the kids, and on and on and on. The court costs have been financially ruinous to me.

FLA - thank you. My shrinks says the same - narcissistic personality disorder, most likely. I personally think that is accompanied by a huge victim complex of some  kind and some sort of cognitive processing deficit. I sometimes feel so alone w/ this stuff because all my friends are married and for the most part the marriages are ok (I mean, some of them have their complaints, but their husbands are by and large good people). I have also never said a bad word about him to the children, nor about his new wife. Meanwhile my almost-teen screams at me in public about how "unfair" it is for his father... Um, yeah.

I am going to think about that order for non-harassment.

I wish I could claim the unpaid child support as a bad loan - but I checked the tax laws and I can't. :(

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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2016, 06:26:56 AM »
My wife's ex-husband is a doozy. Left his son to move back to Texas right after his ex and I got married. That was about 7 years ago. He has come up to see him exactly 2 times. Hasn't made in any effort in almost 3 years. Hasn't paid child support in 2.5 years. Never paid  a penny in doctor bills. Sends my wife hate mail, at one point wishing she were dead. My son (his biological son) has called me dad for several years now. He actually can't stand his biological dad. The older he gets the more he understands his biological dad is a POS. He's an alcoholic, drug addict and from what I understand, lives in a pop up camper now. His parents are pressing charges against him because he threatened to kill them. His siblings don't speak to him. Funny thing is I have a great relationship with his parents. They have told me before they are so glad I am raising their grandson as opposed to their own son. That's pretty bad. 

Everyone has told him to get help, but he refuses. He was diagnosed with adult ADHD and is believed to have bipolar disorder. And to top it off he fathered another child whom he has already given up parental rights too. From what I hear he has gotten into some physical altercations with his new baby's mama that's landed him in jail.

Yeah he is a piece of work. I'm just glad he lives over a thousand miles away.
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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2016, 10:33:51 AM »
OP, you're not alone. You're on a really, really rough road, made harder because you have little eyes watching and little ears listening to everything that goes on, and try as we might to keep ourselves in check, kids pick up on our moods and vibes.

I also got taken by a crooked lawyer, so I started doing research, leaning on friends who had been through similar things, and represented myself in court. Find out what your options are and document, document, document. Never ever talk on the phone or text your ex. Do everything through email and request a "read" receipt. Keep a journal (be as objective as you can). Keep receipts. Contact your county and state bar associations to see if you qualify for free/reduced legal aid.

Hug your kids and be a good example. xoxo

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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2016, 10:44:10 AM »
OP, you're not alone. You're on a really, really rough road, made harder because you have little eyes watching and little ears listening to everything that goes on, and try as we might to keep ourselves in check, kids pick up on our moods and vibes.

I also got taken by a crooked lawyer, so I started doing research, leaning on friends who had been through similar things, and represented myself in court. Find out what your options are and document, document, document. Never ever talk on the phone or text your ex. Do everything through email and request a "read" receipt. Keep a journal (be as objective as you can). Keep receipts. Contact your county and state bar associations to see if you qualify for free/reduced legal aid.

Hug your kids and be a good example. xoxo

These are very good suggestions.  Eventually, we had to do this -- my husband informed his ex that he would no longer respond to her except by email.  She would call and leave messages, and text, but he would refuse to respond.  He kept everything as a record, though.  And when eventually they went back to court because she wanted more money, it backfired and he won.  Unfortunately, that brought about another round of attempts to alienate the kids from him.  But thankfully, as I said above, it didn't have permanent effects.

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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2016, 10:54:48 AM »
Thank you - I kept extensive journals for years documenting his behavior - keeping the kids in violation of the order, not paying support, etc. plus all the stuff I do on my own (like all the doctor's appointments that he never attends). I had slacked off recently and took my journal out yesterday thinking I need to pick it up again because he will probably take me to court again soon, since it has been a year since the last time.

I refuse to speak to him on the phone. He lies about content of emails - I mean, they are right there, in the message, and he will claim he was never told X or didn't say Y. I text him only for immediate things - e.g. The kids were supposed to be here at 6pm, where are you? I have the emails going back 6+ years now. I keep every one from him, school, nanny, lawyers, all childcare, doctors, etc. My lawyers have told me that I am by far the most organized person they have ever worked with.

I am afraid to represent myself in court. I have no complaints w/ my lawyers and they discounted their rate for the last two trials - although it is still extremely expensive. They are very skilled, honest, and really work hard for me. I trust them. His lawyer is very aggressive and did things like deposition all my neighbors before the last trial, sent people to pound on my door at 3am to see who was in the house (as if it was relevant, because it was only me and my kids - boyfriend doesn't live there. It was quite terrifying).  It meant some legal costs for me because someone needed to attend the depositions and then we needed to order transcripts. So, she engages, along with him, in "dirty" stuff - and generally fails to produce documents for discovery and such, and it is all a bit more than I think I'd be able to affectively handle on my own.

Thank you all for the support. I keep doing my best and trying to keep an even keel for myself, and sometimes it is still overwhelming.

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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2016, 11:15:25 AM »


I refuse to speak to him on the phone. He lies about content of emails - I mean, they are right there, in the message, and he will claim he was never told X or didn't say Y.

My husband's ex-wife did that all the time, as well.  It was actually sort of awesome in court -- the judge called her out on a number of things that were right in the emails, which she denied even when he said, "it's right here."

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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2016, 11:34:45 AM »
I had a macbook that lasted 8 years, when it was dying and I was transferring his emails to an external drive, there were over 6000. I came to the realization that why was I still fighting him by saving this crap?  I'm saving it because by now that's just what I do but it will never change the outcome, my kids will never have known a truly happy, healthy home because he could not allow it.  Our judge was on my kids' side (my side), their court appointed lawyer saw it, he was admonished to stop, it didn't matter, he never did and the outcome sucks.  It is a sad, sick man who has to do this in order to feel like he is a real man. 

 

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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2016, 11:43:04 AM »
You are definately not alone. Part of why I left my X was because he wasn't interested in working, he was fine with me supporting him and then coming home and looking after the kids and house. So I pay him child support even though I have them 50% of the time or more. Our incomes are now very similar, no one to support him, and I have applied for a variance on the child support. According to my daughter, he blew!

He has alienated my oldest daughter. I keep trying with her and hoping that one day she will see her father for what he really is, but she is constantly defending him, even when the discussion isn't about him. Middle daughter who was there when he got the letter for the variance is afraid of him. He now belittles her since I am no longer there, but she is afraid to not spend time at his house as he threatens her. And youngest is still young enough that he doesn't get involved in anything parental, as far as I know.

I also only allow contact by email or text. When we first separated he would call me at work and home and just rant and go on, calling me names, etc. it just reaffirmed why I left him.

I honestly think that if he is no longer getting child support that he will relinquish his rights and hopefully I will find out soon.

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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2016, 01:09:04 PM »
Wow. Well, assuming you have the same judge for all of this crap your ex is pulling, and some point, he/she is going to get fed up and throw the book at him just to get him out of his/her courtroom. In my experience, judges get sick of that behavior pretty quickly. In the meantime, insulate your kids as much as possible and start planning the youngest's 18th birthday -- that's when your ex will FINALLY no longer be your problem!!!

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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2016, 01:12:53 PM »
mine told the kids he is moving to Texas when they go to college.  My youngest is a junior.  In 2 yrs I will be throwing the biggest Thanks for Taking Him, Texas! BBQ you have ever seen!

if he's lying just to get my hopes up, he may just find himself in a white panel van with no windows on a nice chauffeured drive to the Panhandle!

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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2016, 01:18:12 PM »
Wow. Well, assuming you have the same judge for all of this crap your ex is pulling, and some point, he/she is going to get fed up and throw the book at him just to get him out of his/her courtroom. In my experience, judges get sick of that behavior pretty quickly. In the meantime, insulate your kids as much as possible and start planning the youngest's 18th birthday -- that's when your ex will FINALLY no longer be your problem!!!

I haven't' found the court very helpful, unfortunately, and extremely expensive. A lot of the cost and harassment takes place for a year+ before we even get to court. Some judges have "gotten it" more than others. Others say "you need to get along better" - which is like... "uh, thanks, that is so helpful." I requested and received a court order for co-parenting therapy but the judge would only order 4 sessions because she "didn't think it would help", which wasn't nearly enough. I was actually hoping for a permanent order of 2 sessions per month and giving the person decision making power. Basically, he doesn't follow a court order and there are no consequences and it is extremely expensive to pursue. And I hate going to court. I have to wait until the owed child support I about 10,000 before it will be worth the cost of pursing a contempt order. Same with violations of the visitation schedule - it has to happen numerous times, and still would costs thousands.

He "freely" shares his anger and contempt towards me with the children. My older son is constantly angry with me over how "unfair" life is for his father (which is apparently entirely my fault). Younger one would prefer to me with me at all times, but doesn't want to hurt anyone's feeling - so he is more stuck in the middle than the older one unfortunately. Older one is harder on me, but I think he had to take sides in order to manage the stress psychologically.

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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2016, 01:19:07 PM »
mine told the kids he is moving to Texas when they go to college.  My youngest is a junior.  In 2 yrs I will be throwing the biggest Thanks for Taking Him, Texas! BBQ you have ever seen!

if he's lying just to get my hopes up, he may just find himself in a white panel van with no windows on a nice chauffeured drive to the Panhandle!

I'll pitch in for the van rental if you agree to take a second passenger....

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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2016, 01:51:26 PM »
mine told the kids he is moving to Texas when they go to college.  My youngest is a junior.  In 2 yrs I will be throwing the biggest Thanks for Taking Him, Texas! BBQ you have ever seen!

if he's lying just to get my hopes up, he may just find himself in a white panel van with no windows on a nice chauffeured drive to the Panhandle!

I'll pitch in for the van rental if you agree to take a second passenger....

it seats 8, j/s!

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« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2016, 02:24:54 AM »
Wow. Well, assuming you have the same judge for all of this crap your ex is pulling, and some point, he/she is going to get fed up and throw the book at him just to get him out of his/her courtroom. In my experience, judges get sick of that behavior pretty quickly. In the meantime, insulate your kids as much as possible and start planning the youngest's 18th birthday -- that's when your ex will FINALLY no longer be your problem!!!

I haven't' found the court very helpful, unfortunately, and extremely expensive. A lot of the cost and harassment takes place for a year+ before we even get to court. Some judges have "gotten it" more than others. Others say "you need to get along better" - which is like... "uh, thanks, that is so helpful." I requested and received a court order for co-parenting therapy but the judge would only order 4 sessions because she "didn't think it would help", which wasn't nearly enough. I was actually hoping for a permanent order of 2 sessions per month and giving the person decision making power. Basically, he doesn't follow a court order and there are no consequences and it is extremely expensive to pursue. And I hate going to court. I have to wait until the owed child support I about 10,000 before it will be worth the cost of pursing a contempt order. Same with violations of the visitation schedule - it has to happen numerous times, and still would costs thousands.

Does your state have a Support Collections Unit?  The service here is free or a one time payment of $25.  You get your support from them and they take over getting it from him.  You never have to fight with him to get it, you don't have to see him if he brings over the child support.  He wages will be garnished, you get periodic COLA adjustments.    It has worked well for several of my friends.

https://www.childsupport.ny.gov/dcse/home.html

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« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2016, 05:48:23 AM »


Does your state have a Support Collections Unit?  The service here is free or a one time payment of $25.  You get your support from them and they take over getting it from him.  You never have to fight with him to get it, you don't have to see him if he brings over the child support.  He wages will be garnished, you get periodic COLA adjustments.    It has worked well for several of my friends.

https://www.childsupport.ny.gov/dcse/home.html

They do have one, and I've met with them. They were a bit confused about some of the issues because we are a "above the guidelines" income case and because there are some weird provisions in the support order. Unfortunately they told me that they can pursue it but he could still take the whole issue back to court, which is what I suspect he would do. So I decided to wait until the amount is great enough to risk court. He also refuses to consent for necessary medical care right now - that I said I would just pay for myself - so I may have to take him to court over that issue anyhow. And if I have to do that I am going to take all the issues to court.

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« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2016, 06:40:24 AM »
ugh, I hate court, even if I win, I'm losing because of how much it costs. Your ex is a real peach, I'm sorry